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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SCDR on March 22, 2003, 04:21:57 AM
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OK, I am new. I did the free trial and now am a paying member.
Tonight as I was saying goodnight to all, XWILD starts accusing
me of cheating!! Said I had the "unlimited ammo cheat" and was
going to send in the "picture".
1st of all I never heard of that before, 2nd I have no idea where
this dweeb got that idea.
Was I being baited into on of those famous Ch1 debates?
Oh, I know some people claim you're cheating if you're better
than they are, but I wasn't anywhere near XWILD that I can
remember and I'm not that good.
SCDR
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either bated or XWILD is just an idiot
.squelch XWILD
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Being called a cheater or hacker in this game is a badge of honor, usually bestowed by some dweeb you've just thoroughly out flown. It's also a case of XWILD being a complete idiot because after he started whining about your cheating he and Goopie started in with their little racist rants.
Ack-Ack
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Wouldnt worry about it,happens all the time to folks,welcome to AH SCDR :)
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Goopie claimed he was on his 5th free trial. Anyway to get this moron banned for good?
palef
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Originally posted by palef
Goopie claimed he was on his 5th free trial. Anyway to get this moron banned for good?
palef
When told by some that they were going to send in screenshots and films of his racist drivel so HTC could take the appropiate actions, his reply was, "So they'll ban me a 3rd time" and then continued on with his drivel. I finally had enough, even with squelch and just ended up logging off.
ack-ack
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Things aren't that simple, guys.
Nobody in the MA knows for sure yet, but in the H2H rooms, rumors are spreading slowly but surely about existence of cheaters and cheat tools.
Some of the pilots I know have even reported to me that they've seen people in H2H rooms discuss cheat tools and requesting them to others. Others say they've seen in some foreign forums that people were discussing source codes and cheat tools.
I've told my squad members to be on the lookout for cheats in H2H, and film whatever strange instance they seem to notice.
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You never know what may really be going on. Remember how shocked people were when they found about the cheat tool in WarBirds??
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I believe that someway somehow there are a few people that know how to abuse AH and cheat. As soon as I see something remotely suspicious I turn the recorder on and review it later.
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Originally posted by SCDR
Oh, I know some people claim you're cheating if you're better
than they are
SCDR
BINGO! :)
DmdMax
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I was playing in H2H till fairly recently, I never witnessed such a discussion...
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first off everyone dreams of being called a cheater
second its bloody hard (if not impossible) to cheat (the only time ive even HEARD of cheating is when some stunninghunk was dropping troops from a b26)
third people asking for cheat tools are morons...they dont exist...and its pretty hard to reverse engineer a program to get at the source code
fourth if someone is spewing racist dribble take a couple screenies and mail em in...trust me it works
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Thank you for all of your replies. You just confirmed what I thought.
I seem to be doing better in a panzer than in a plane so far.
I was just shocked a being called a cheater, never happened
before.
Anyways I'm glad to be with this group, because it reminds me
of AW. I flew AW DOS with the 2400 baud connections thru Genie,
all the way thru AW for AOL. LOL! I even joined back up with my
orginal squad from my DOS days, the DoW.
Now if I could just figure out how to make my mic stop making me
sound like Darth Vader or a heavy breather, I'll be really happy.
:D
SCDR
DoW
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Nice signature Kweassa. If it wasn't for the US you can bet many countires would fold.
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Originally posted by SCDR
Now if I could just figure out how to make my mic stop making me
sound like Darth Vader or a heavy breather, I'll be really happy.
:D
SCDR
DoW
SCDR ~
Check your mic level in Windows sound recording. Once done check the mic volume in AH>SETTINGS>VOICE
DmdMax
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Lol, I've been called a cheater AND a hacker for simply turning off tracers. Guess I must be REALLY good ;).
Yeah... I wish, heheh.
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Originally posted by Joc
Wouldnt worry about it,happens all the time to folks,welcome to AH SCDR :)
Doesn't happen to me :(
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Is there a tool for unlimited ammo in spitties??:D I would settle for just unlimited cannon rounds.
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I remeber that day..."Wldthing you fricken cheater"
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I got accused yesterday for the first time +)
Took me two years to earn it!!!
Thanx
SKurj
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This may be a very ligitimate reason for HTC to stop the H2H side of AH for non-subscribers, if H2H's attitude of 'change the game to suit yourself' means that instead of being given the control to make your own setups, it instead encourages cheats or indeed gives them a platform to test their cheats in without being seen, in the interest of this game which I pay money for I'd rather see H2H stopped.
I know it is an enjoyable thing for a lot of customers but in the end if it starts to damage the reputation of AH or ruins it with cheat codes then it will have to go.
I have a simple theory here. If you are the kind of person who can afford and are willing to pay ligitimately to play a game you are far less likely to be the hacking type.There are those that would cheat if its easy sure, but generally if you have the mentality that winning by use of cheat codes is somehow rewarding and you derive pleasure from screwing up HTC youre hardly likely to be prepared to pay them for the pleasure for long periods. Cheat codes basically make games very boring to play longterm. Try it yourself on games like resident evil or half-life etc (you know cheat codes in mags that allow you to have a god mode or something) I garentee you if you make yourself invinsible or take unlimited ammo you will get bored within a single session of play. I learned long ago that I dont like cheat codes because as soon as the game loses its challenge its no better than a video clip.Theres no challenge only visual treats (ie seeing that last level or end you couldnt see by skill alone :))
what do you think? Should we basically stop the free H2H > it would remove the free to use platform for the hacker types to practice their trade on wouldnt it? Those same hackers would then have to either pay for a sub in order to use their cheat in MA where its more likely to be noticed by others, or they will have to somehow use false accounts or keep using the 2week trials in order to 'use' their cheat.HTC has much better chance of catching account cheats than the guy from 'anyhwere in the world' with no ID using the free H2H and deriving fun rom messing up others enjoyment.Make these same fools pay for an account and they'll move on to their next free game.
I think HTC has given away the free stuff for a tad too long, now the game is much better known it doesnt need the free play.It was a kind thing to allow us to use the game on LAN's and id be sorry to see that stopped but if it means less chance of some fool ruining the whole thing for us I'd sacrifice the chance to use AH for nets. If on the other hand we start to see people using cheats would we be willing to pay to play still?
Personally I think I'd leave if I start to see it become commonplace.Why try to win in a game when the other guy cant lose? especially if its costing money to do so.Cheats and hacking is a huge risk to HTC's livelyhood.If i were them id have to be prudent I think, and remove the free use of my game. Why risk their games reputation for something which is earning them nothing?
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The fact of the matter is it's quite possible to cheat in AH. I know people who have used a hex editor to grab the code for the training bombsite and insert it into the MA from the client side. It was well demonstrated by barrel rolling and hitting any target from 20k plus with a bomber. With this process you could grab anything from the training arena and use it on the MA. I'm not sure about this but have seen the training "laser" bombsite used first hand.
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My most memorable 'Vulcan you cheating bastard' was El Guapo, when my tiffie chased his 234 down and beyatch slapped him like $5 crack potato!
:D
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Heh, AGJV, notice they actually censored my signature? Decided don a "No-war" T-shirt on to this forum and guess what, few hours later, it mysteriously vanishes. But if that is the opinion of the moderators, ah well, so be it. A little provocation to people's conscience don't seem to pay off, eh?
Anyhow, it was two incidences reported to me by people of my squad I think who knows their stuff. Of course, no films. So I strongly urged them to take recordings of incidences which seem to be strange.
The most frequent incidences reported were warps and sniping, and speed - of course, which is also the most frequent incidences of people calling others a 'cheater' in MA, too. The 'timed' warping, 1300 yard sniping is often reported but it is true that I have yet to see such a film.
Rumors, as it is, I hope them to be just that, only.
But as I remind you, the 'garner' incident in WB was not something which people expected.
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rabbidrabbit you've sure seen alot.
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Guess you haven't seen the other thread yet. Blame me ... I called you on using a sig as a protest sign that you could drag into every single thread in every single forum. I also challenged all of your "points" on the sign while I was at it. I applaud the moderator that nixed both our sigs. No place for that there.
Just sayin'.
Ok ... sorry .... on with the topic.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Heh, AGJV, notice they actually censored my signature? Decided don a "No-war" T-shirt on to this forum and guess what, few hours later, it mysteriously vanishes. But if that is the opinion of the moderators, ah well, so be it. A little provocation to people's conscience don't seem to pay off, eh?
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First off, amen to Hazed... if it really is a problem, that would seem to be the obvious solution. Even though I sometimes go into H2H just to boost my ego, lol. Second... as I mentioned before, accusations of cheating fly like feathers in the wind when someone doesn't like the outcome of a fight. No tracers, good bounce... you must be cheating! A 550 ias 202? Hacker! That can be done, BTW... at 550 ias the 202 is actually still somewhat controllable. Try it sometime. My favorite 262 killer, heheh!
I do fly mainly in CT, so maybe you guys have seen things I haven't... but I really haven't seen anything yet that can't be attributed to connection or simple net lag. Maybe I need to fly more than a half dozen hours a week, lol :D
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Glad to see I am not the only hacker who can manage 1-5 kills a night. :D
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Flying the 190 D9 is like using an unlimited ammo cheat :)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
The most frequent incidences reported were warps and sniping, and speed - of course, which is also the most frequent incidences of people calling others a 'cheater' in MA, too. The 'timed' warping, 1300 yard sniping is often reported but it is true that I have yet to see such a film.
Warping is a fact of life, but one thing I cannot understand happens once in awhile, unfortunately I never get it on film (rarely use it). I was cruising to an nme field at about 7K at 350 indicated in a Dora when a 109 was coming at me from 12:00 high. He never fired but blew past me and I kept him in sight with views, just to see what he was up to. I watched him pull a very tight nearly flat turn onto my six, and he was gaining on me, BIG TIME! OK, unless he was in a UFO cloaked to look like a 109, how did he do a high speed pass, a high G turn, and instantly start gaining on me like I was on final approach when I was doing over 350 indicated???
I want one of dem planes!!!
Psyco:confused:
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Nobody has ever accused me of cheating.:confused:
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Originally posted by vorticon
first off everyone dreams of being called a cheater
My badge of honor was bestowed upon me by none other than "Steve", who recently was recognized for stringing together a long list of victories without getting shot down. I was in a P-51D and stumbled into his Mustang between two islands on the NDIsles map. After the first volley, he popped off my port flap. When he came round for another tail shot I went evasive, pulling back to go vertical, and instead went into a high-speed stall. As I tumbled around, losing speed and alt, he overshot and climbed out. I recovered on the deck and he shot me down after a couple of more passes (his having more speed to maneuver, of course), and then he quickly got on Ch 1 and started calling me a stick-stirring dweeb.
And I won't let him forget it! I just wished I'd filmed the whole thing. It was pretty entertaining.
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I don't know, maybe it's only me, but I find it easier to learn how to fly proper than to learn how to change source codes...
and probably a lot more fun.
bumba
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This may be a very ligitimate reason for HTC to stop the H2H side of AH for non-subscribers, if H2H's attitude of 'change the game to suit yourself' means that instead of being given the control to make your own setups, it instead encourages cheats or indeed gives them a platform to test their cheats in without being seen, in the interest of this game which I pay money for I'd rather see H2H stopped.
err how are you going to know if your unlimited ammo cheat worked if your already in a unlimited ammo eniviroment...
second the free hth idea simply keeps people who cant afford to pay in the game until they can afford to pay (as long as they occasionally get to see how good the MA is) i know of at least 5 people who used to be avid hth flyers switch to MA after the recent free trial...
third hth does not spawn cheaters because of the simple fact that the caliber of gameplay and fights is low enough that you dont need to resort to cheating to get good...kind of like learning c++ to get past level one of a game when all you have to do is spend a few weeks playing to get good enough
fourth...some people are pretty retarded...they think there so good that if you can kill them that you MUST have cheated...
as well the use of the term "cheat codes" is NOT correct in this game...there are no cheat codes to cheat you MUST change the actual game codes/ files to actually get what you want...
fifth cheaters never prosper...they come in they cheat they think the game is lame because it was to easy or whatever and they leave...cheaters (in other games) rarely last very long they either get caught and banned or leave themselves...
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The only time I've been acused of being a cheater was in AW by none other than 6Guns. We were both in F6Fs and were in a turn fight on top of the waves. I finally got the advantage after doing a few low yo's and shot him down. He immediately got on Ch1 and threw out his acusations. I really relished in it because I was a real rookie at the time.
On another note, I was playing in a pool tounament once and pulled this nearly impossible shot on the 8-ball to win a match against an opponent that was really good. He tried to make the same shot over and over and couldn't do it. The tournament director finally told him to stop whining and get off the table.
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