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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on May 09, 2001, 07:32:00 AM
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Sheesh, I don't know how you are coping with the spits and georges. At least with an La5 or 7 I can hang with em a little while but gee whiz!
As of late, I've seen nothing but the SAM n1k and the Harry Potter hit by a bludger, flop around spit.
The N1k SAM tactic is fly around until you see someone busy, then fly under him and pull straight up, start firing at 1000 yards or more and rocket right thru his prettythang. Its a site to see.
The Harry Potter manuver for the spit is wait until a con closes to about 800 yards then jerk violently on the stick so hard that you lose total flight control and flop around, all the while, thinking you got into this attitude by using proper BCM. Ain't no con gonna be able to stay with that. Heck, I can't get that slow! Kinda looks like Harry Potter trying to stay on his broom.
And the CHOG was a menace, lol. All we accomplished was move the newbies and the dweebs to an even easier platform.
Note: To qualify. Not everyone who flies these ac are dweebs. I want to be sure to use proper PC so that people don't get thier feelings hurt. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Apache (edited 05-09-2001).]
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IT'S ALL SUPERFLY'S FAULT !
My take is that the AH Nikki has something like 18 propeller blades(sp?), NATEDOG managed to cover it by setting most of them to be invisible, but... they're still there!
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Saw
[Mass]
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Originally posted by Saintaw:
IT'S ALL SUPERFLY'S FAULT !
My take is that the AH Nikki has something like 18 propeller blades(sp?),
Saw
[Mass]
Yes you spelled blades correct sir.
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I succumbed to the temptation yesterday. Trying to make a desperate defense on A8 and A1, I flew the N1K2......wow!.
The things that that kite can do on the vertical are beyond explanation to my null airplane experience.
Amazing....
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Witchhunt II has begun.
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jochen / Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87D, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolschevismus!
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Jochen, it began along time ago!
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I think Apaches point is...no matter what plane you perk, you're going to have a dominent fighter that new flyers and winitall's will fly.
I predicted the N1K would be next on this 'Perk this plane' list about 6 months ago...I hate it when I'm right. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Lesse, lately, I've seen anti-N1K posts, anti-Tiffie posts, oh, the ever prevalent anti-hispano posts (Cannon envy)....hell, even seen an anti-spit post as well.
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Don't forget the anti-La-7 posts.
It's an ez mode plane, apparently.
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Ripsnort, exactly.
Dowding, you could have gone all day without saying that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I just hope my 109F-4 is safe for the time being.
eskimo
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apache.. all I see is spits, niks and lags these days with clumps of hogs around carriers and jabo. I don't count the 51's and d9's cause they don't really fight anyway. I fly the Dhog and all those planes are a hassle. I can at least run from the spits and outroll em if i don't get too low and the niks are easy if they are in a large melee... the lags are a problem... they are allmost as useless and as 51's but they have so much acceleration that they will get down and dirty with ya. One on one tho.... spits, niks and lags are a lot more problem than Chogs ever were.
lazs
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SOB's tips for care and handling of Nikis:
1. Fly low - Nikis are afraid of heights, as it isn't in their nature to be up too high. A Niki at 20k is like a Knit without a dress - it just ain't natural. Nikis are happiest down low turning and killing.
2. Engage the enemy - If you see it, and it has a red icon above it, bring your Niki to try to kill it. Nikis aren't skiddish by nature and can become restless if you keep them from fights. The exception to this rule is if your Niki is being endlessly BnZ'd by a LuftWaffle. This can sometimes cause the Niki to get angry, sometimes tired, and can lead to confusion and possible death of your Niki. Therefor leaving the situation is preferable. Some say it's good to keep Nikis away from Spits and Zekes, but doing so on a regular basis will give your Niki an inferiority complex that can be hard to reverse. Since most Spits and Zekes aren't very well trained, you'll find that your Niki should do fairly well against them.
3. Encourage good behavior - After a fruitless encounter with a BnZing LuftWaffle, the Niki can become frustrated and angry and prone to vocal displays of it's emotions. Discourage this behavior in your Niki. Make it understand that LuftWaffles can't turn with it, and therefor they must BnZ or they will die a horrible death. Don't be discouraged yourself if your efforts to do this fail. The Niki has a natural affinity for killing anything LuftWaffle.
4. Ignore jealousy - Owners of other breeds of planes will often be prone to fits of jealousy after your pet ruthlessly kills theirs, this is only natural. Instead of succoming to their insults, encourage them to get themselves a Niki. If you can't resist however, call them a pansie and offer to kill another of their precious aircraft for them...they love this banter and will generally give you a friendly responce such as "Dweeb!", "No skill idiot", or "I've got film and I'm going to send it to The Man, you cheater!". This is all in good fun.
5. Have Fun - This is, of course the most important rule. After all, that's why you got your Niki in the first place right? So, even if means straying from the care tips given above, have fun with your Niki however you can find it!
A Special Note: Beware of petitioners - From time to time owners of other plane breeds will call out for regulations and strict licensing fees for Nikis. You should become active in opposing such restrictions, which will only succeed in keeping Nikis out of the hands of the common man. Beware those whose own favorite breeds have succomed to these regulations. While it would seem logical that you stand on the same ground, they are often to be found with the opposition.
this message brought to you by MANSLA & the Bislandia Niki lover's club
Warning from the Surgeon General of Bishlandia: this was an attempt at humor, a very poor attempt. Should you find bile rising to the back of your throat or excess heat build-up in your leather LuftWaffle underwear after reading this, you should immediately consume large quantities of alcohol.
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Yup. The next witch hunt began a short time ago. Note the sheer number of "the Nikki is a UFO" posts of late, the writing is on the wall.
I have gone to the F6F this tour just to see what the plane will do. While the Nikki does outperform it, that is ok because it should. Here's the funny part though... I can hang with most Nikki pilots long enough to put shells into them, and I think we can all agree the F6F is no uber plane. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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SOB.. I couldn't have said it better myself !
<S>
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Sure looks like someone has been playing a lot of Black & White lately uhmm?
Where's the "kindness" collar for the Nikki? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Daniel, aka Cyrano
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ROFL, SOB
A Special Note: Beware of petitioners
<giggles>
Saw
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Yah, sure. But the Niki was an EASY guess. So is the Spit that's going to follow it. The La-7 is a no-brainer also.
But once we get THESE perked, where do we find the next witch? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Place your bets!!
SOB, funny. Like that a lot.
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Check out this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/009380.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/009380.html)
And the running "discussion" between me and RAM towards the end.
Lessee... was I right or was I right??
-SW
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Witchunt?
Hey guys, engage your brains please.
there have been cmplaints about the n1K since we got the new flight model.
There's nothing new.
No one (but me right now) has said the word "perk". "Fix it" aye, but no perk here.
Why hijack this thread for your own destructive "I told you so!" purposes?
Why not? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dowding, yer LA-7 is, like the N1K and Chog, HTC's way of implementing EZ MODE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
PTFFFFHH eat that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I've also been flying the F6F this tour Kieran, and have had a lot of success with it. Especially against N1K2s. I've shot down 3 of 'em and haven't been shot down once by 'em. (5 kills of 'em in total, 0 deaths)
The people complaining about them do it just because it kills them.
Hey guys I got news for you: It isn't the plane, it's the guy flying it. Case in point, Drex has 12 kills of N1K2s vs 2 deaths- all of them in the P47D-30.
-SW
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Lighten up. I'm just goofin'. My plane of choice is fast enough that I can run away like a little girl.
Killed by em? Nah, nik has gotten me 9 times in 3.5 tours.
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LOL Apache, that's because when we come across a furball, the N1K is ALWAYS the first in our gunsight... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Not directed at you Apache... it's the L***W*****s (fill in the stars) that I directed my comment at.
-SW
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Dowding, yer LA-7 is, like the N1K and Chog, HTC's way of implementing EZ MODE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Heh, it looks like you caught a bad case of 'chiponshoulderitis (LW)'. You know, that feeling that the whole game is geared against your beloved LW nags and that all the other planes are 'uber'. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I'd get it looked at, but I must warn you, I haven't seen anybody cured from it yet. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
PTFFFFHH eat that! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I flew a niki last night just to see how *great* this UFO really is. I dove into a furball strictly for some fun.. I knew I was going to bite it sooner or later. A lonely Knit was being chased by 5 or 6 Bish when I entered. I simply sprayed into the furball and came out with 2 kills without even trying! One or two cannon hits took care of a wing of a P51 while a Spit erupted into flames. I after that I quickly pulled out, engaged another Niki while another Spit tried to HO me in the process. I payed no attention to the Spit (he had a horrible angle coming at me from my 10 o'clk) I let off a few rounds towards the Niki and somehow the Spit erupted into flames from collateral damage =] I was eventually shot down by a horde of 10 Bish on the deck =] The niki is out of control i say.
Oct
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doh, my bad Sea.
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Why hijack this thread for your own destructive "I told you so!" purposes?
Point to any flight model thread that doesn't turn to N1K2 discussion within 5 posts.
[This message has been edited by Kieran (edited 05-09-2001).]
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heh heh....i dont think that is possible Keiran. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Nash, can you please make a chart for this Niki crap like you did for the new version whiners? I'd never find the link, but it was just hilarious, and its so fitting.
The only end to this whining tardstorm would be have these big mouths against the Niki actually ENTER EXILES LADDER...then have a say Niki vs. Spit battle. Lots of them in fact, with the Niki Witchhunt whiners that actually flys them NEVER every tour, in the Niki. Everyone else in a Spit (which I think is the most complete and uber plane in the set.)
Ya have to admit, they claim their FM knowhow of the George every chance. (Must be alot of HTH and offline trials...ya right.)
OK, put up or shut up. Get the top Spit boys in the Ladder, and have the Tac's and R4mests of the BBS in the Niki have them PROVE it UFO dominate. I can only assume all their knowledge of the flight model has them well versed in it, so all is fair.
We can even have tower-tards like Gordo moderate and it will be a full event!
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Creamo, all I got to say is, "What comes around goes around"....now its your turn to have your fav. A/C hammared...
Creamo from 4/2000:"
Oh just sum it up- F4U-C is has a F-18 .20 rotating gattlin cannon in it and you have to either learn to fly it and be shameless about pilot rank, or MORE important ...as a defender, AVOID it.
My only complaint is tonight I was in a Buff, and I was attacked by a F4U-C from my 6. I saw it coming from 4K, and was all over it, the AI adding to my 6 fire power.
He did nothing, as a non-evasive 6 attack, and I poured it all into him.
As soon as he fired toejam flew off the 17 like paper. I survived but man, just like one of 1000 F4U-C encounters, the F4U-C seeemed gattling-gun equipped.
They suck, update it, quick. They a bit annoying.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hows it feel to have your fav. AC on the BBQ pit? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-09-2001).]
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Flew the N1k last night when it was just Kieren and I defending A6.
I have to admit it is an easy killer.
Not sure I would fly it all the time. I like more of a challenge.
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Ahhh Droopy, you got so excited you put 2 green gay smiley things in a row... Ill reread it for the cleverness, but until then....
It's quite a bit different being new to a online sim and where I put alot of time in Buffs that had the old Buff gunnery back then commenting on the Chog. Still, I can relate on the receiving end of F4UC fire in buffs or fighters TODAY, it's brutal, and still FEELS the same when it hits. I dont think it has changed. However, the buffs are modeled different, and my fighter confidence against them in a year is even more lopsided.
It was at that time way less annoying to be a Buff victum to a Chog until HTC upped the .50 dispersion finally, to have to be held to old BBS comments on completely different AH versions by you.
Weak.
Kinda the thread robbing personal crap that has been mentioned unnecessary as of late, but the out of context dig was if not clever, rates incredible for obsessing enough on me to bring it up.
Thank you.
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[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 05-09-2001).]
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Wotan has 8 kills and has been killed 1 time against the N1K2.
on the other hand spits flown well are nothing but trouble for me
Wotan has 6 kills and has been killed 9 times against the Spitfire Mk IX.
Wotan has 4 kills and has been killed 4 times against the SpitV.
Wotan has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times against the SeaFire.
Please convince Sox aka Evil Ace that spits are for girly men and ask him to annonunce himself before bouncing any 190's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn
(By order of the State Railway)
Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!
[This message has been edited by Wotan (edited 05-09-2001).]
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I'm still not requesting that the N1K2 or Spitfire MkIX be perked.
I am happy with the perks the way they are, as far as the existing units go.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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no need to perk um just need to stay on top of your flying and understand at any time you could be killed. Spits sometimes amaze me but thats only when I know the pilot knows his plane. Other times a dumb flown spit is as easy to kill as a goon.
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Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn
(By order of the State Railway)
Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!
[This message has been edited by Wotan (edited 05-09-2001).]
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Heh, it looks like you caught a bad case of 'chiponshoulderitis (LW)'. You know, that feeling that the whole game is geared against your beloved LW nags and that all the other planes are 'uber'.
Bah, it's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'd get it looked at, but I must warn you, I haven't seen anybody cured from it yet. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You can't cure the truth! It's out there, and once the path of righteousness reveals itself to you, you can acept your own lies no more!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
PTFFFFHH eat that!
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://stsantas.tripod.com/stsanta.jpg)
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Perk everything that flies!!! Ban them all!!! How dare any plane gain in numbers!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
Nothing with wings should be left unperked. Then everyone in AH will all be happy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
I figure this will eventually happen so I just wanted to be the first on the band wagon! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Mav (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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S!,
First of all, it's the pilot that wins the battle.
I've played myself against some very good pilots while i was flying the so called EZ plane, well...i got my bellybutton kicked real good.
Some guys, just seem to do it all right.
I can hold my own in the game, but man it is so frustrating to get shot down while you start the battle with all advantages like height speed and manouverability.
Ok the planes.
I sometimes take the f4u-c because indeed it has powerfull guns. I dont feel any form of regret, because i think i deserve to fly it. I have been playing AH from the beginning.
I agree with the Chog being perked, also the NIK.
I don't know any other planes that are perked becuase i cannot fly in the MA.
See ya,
JG5FaBi.