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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on March 23, 2003, 06:05:08 AM
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Iraqi's are searching and spraying the banks of the Tigris with fire. Theres some burning wreckage nearby, although it looks small (maybe a predator?).
Bastards are giving him no chance to surrender if he is there. On the good side no blood showed up after they hosed the river.
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I am watching the same thing....can we redirect a few Cruise Missles? I don't think they quite understand yet.
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Was watching it too. Could change the rules a bit if it is true.
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Looks ominous. They've got loads of journos down there now as well as militia in white plastic speed-boats. There's a large mob too - it could get ugly if they caught anyone.
But it doesn't coincide with any recent air attack.
As an aside, does anyone else find it creepy to see soldiers driving around in Toyota pickups, or brightly coloured civilian speedboats? I've always thought that such people are capable of anything. Reminds me of the warlords in Africa or something.
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Originally posted by Dowding
As an aside, does anyone else find it creepy to see soldiers driving around in Toyota pickups, or brightly coloured civilian speedboats? I've always thought that such people are capable of anything. Reminds me of the warlords in Africa or something.
Speaking of that, saw a report from the 3rd ID firing on a Pink Pickup with a Gun mounted. There are also alot off reports of Iraqi soldiers in Civis.
Dam confusing if you ask me.
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HAVE HEARD REPORTS THAT IRAQ OFFICIAL IN BAGHDAD, SAID ANY U.S OR U.K PILOTS CAPTURED WOPULD BE DECAPITATED.
HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE.
PRAYING FOR ALL U.K U.S FORCES IN GULF
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Staged show...
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Originally posted by Dowding
As an aside, does anyone else find it creepy to see soldiers driving around in Toyota pickups, or brightly coloured civilian speedboats? I've always thought that such people are capable of anything. Reminds me of the warlords in Africa or something.
Only local miltia most likely, not even a bad idea to use civilian vehicles in an urban area to disguise troop movements. Or even maybe no vehicles to use, possibly just a dad's army local militia unit.
Tronsky
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Both UK & US deny any loss of aircraft.
Iraq report one American pilot has been captured, although all TV footage hasn't shown any evidence. They're still searching for the 'second' pilot.
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On Skynews: there is a missing aircraft confirmed by US command (Rumsfield?)
but.. Al Jazeera says Iraq hasn't captured any pilots?
the plot thickens...
Tronsky
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maybe a special ops team?
in any case, if we see coalition POW's decapitated and dragged through the streets it's time for another 48 hour ultimatum.
before we nuke baghdad.
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2 Americans have been captured... not pilots though.
The Baghdad footage is a staged show for the Al Jazeera cameras.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
maybe a special ops team?
in any case, if we see coalition POW's decapitated and dragged through the streets it's time for another 48 hour ultimatum.
before we nuke baghdad.
hell, you knew theres a tyrant in baghdad!
now you act like shocked? :rolleyes:
it's a war out there.. against tyrant.. US troops and citizens should know better...
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Originally posted by Fishu
hell, you knew theres a tyrant in baghdad!
now you act like shocked? :rolleyes:
it's a war out there.. against tyrant.. US troops and citizens should know better...
But you fail to understand that Iraqi POWs will be treated differently.
Watch the American reaction if something happens to a American POW.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
On Skynews: there is a missing aircraft confirmed by US command (Rumsfield?)
but.. Al Jazeera says Iraq hasn't captured any pilots?
the plot thickens...
Tronsky
Sky News believe Rumsfield was referring to the Tornado GR4 that was missing. UK & US Forces have both denied any further losses of aircraft.
Up to 10 US soldiers are believed to be POWs and a couple have been shown on Iraqi TV. These soldiers are believed to have been captured at Nasariyah.
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Here ya go
link (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=JTJW5OBNGIQ3OCRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=2431577)
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Originally posted by Monk
But you fail to understand that Iraqi POWs will be treated differently.
Watch the American reaction if something happens to a American POW.
Afgan POWs weren't treated according to the geneva convention either. Oh wait, they weren't even POWs, just weren't treated like capture civilians.
Not trying to compare anything, but crossing the line is crossing the line no matter how far.
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You ain't seen us cross the line yet, don't think you want to either.
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Afgan POWs weren't treated according to the geneva convention either. Oh wait, they weren't even POWs, just weren't treated like capture civilians.
WTF are you talking about?
all combatants captured in afgan have and are being treated in accordance with the geneva convention.
combatants as defined by this war on terror arent just uniformed taliban.
Go look it up.
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Originally posted by Monk
But you fail to understand that Iraqi POWs will be treated differently.
Watch the American reaction if something happens to a American POW.
The video showed that the captured soldiers were bandaged. That probably means that they are being treated very well so far.
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Get ready for a hell of a fight fellas. I thought they might fold early on. Perhaps the axis powers have promised some sort of support thereby steeling the iraqi resolve. In any event, I dont believe the outcome is in doubt but the path to it looks alot worse than I had hoped for.
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Treated Well? I assume you haven't noticed that the bodies of the dead americans they showed, appear to have been shot in the forehead? As in summary execution.
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Summary execution? I doubt it. Alive prisoners are far more useful to the Iraqi propaganda machine than corpses.
I should think the Americans put up a fight but surrendered when it became apparent they were surrounded or over-powered. It's also highly possible they were ambushed, and those that died were killed in the initial contact. Who knows?
Either way, I think it's too early to draw any firm conclusions.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Perhaps the axis powers have promised some sort of support thereby steeling the iraqi resolve.
Holy ****, that is classic Yeager, thanks!
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Originally posted by GScholz
I thought the numbers and initiative was completely on the US/UK side??? What happened???
T'was a maint. crew - probably failed the navigation course in basic.
Some shot in head, 5 alive if you go by the images.
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Saw the pictures and to me it looked like an execution.
Just a guess but I would think they were the ones that would not cooperate.
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Ok Dowding, how do you interpret 4 dead US servicemen, all of apparent wounds to the forehead? One or two killed in action this way would be inconclusive, but 4 ? The one other KIA was described to have wounds to the lower abdomen, which I would agree with your interpretation of.
I'm not making this up, check the news websites.
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Originally posted by Batz
WTF are you talking about?
all combatants captured in afgan have and are being treated in accordance with the geneva convention.
Can't remember the exact quotes but official oppinion was (maybe it has changed already) that not all combatants where granted POW status and therefore not entitled to treatement according to the geneva convention. (which contains two problems: denying POW status is a bit more difficult than just denying it to a group of people; also does the geneva convention grant rights to non-POWs).
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Ok Dowding, how do you interpret 4 dead US servicemen, all of apparent wounds to the forehead? One or two killed in action this way would be inconclusive, but 4 ?
Maybe they had some well coordinated sharp shooters?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
maybe a special ops team?
in any case, if we see coalition POW's decapitated and dragged through the streets it's time for another 48 hour ultimatum.
before we nuke baghdad.
lol stupidity is magic circle
anyway SH said few hours ago(more that 12), that soldiers he captured will not be harmed or executed, he said that he will stay on Geneva stuff or something like this
i was trying to search that link for past 2 hours, but cant find it ... umm anyway it wasnt on American news server
btw if they gonna decapitate them, they will just decapitate some men, whitch are about to kill few people for few mickey mouse money.. technicaly assasins hired by some goverment, whitch do not care who gonna die while they still getting funny money...
dont know but you were aplly us to not cry for hurted Iraqi children and now you are trying to speak about Nuking coz 2 guys like that ??
naaaa you are funny
is true that US is taking Iraqi soldiers as war criminals ?
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Once again oral, you have shown yourself to be an *******.
F.
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sharpshooters? I really hope you don't think thats true. If so you've been playing Operation Flashpoint too much.
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here is that msg
1800: Iraqi Defence Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed tells a news conference that Baghdad will respect the Geneva Convention and will not harm captured US soldiers.
source .: http://www.bbc.co.uk
where did you hear that evil iraqi gonna execute them ?
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Try watching the news.
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Originally posted by threedays
here is that msg
1800: Iraqi Defence Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed tells a news conference that Baghdad will respect the Geneva Convention and will not harm captured US soldiers.
source .: http://www.bbc.co.uk
where did you hear that evil iraqi gonna execute them ?
They're already in breach of the Geneva convention by parading them round on TV and letting Iraqi journi's interview and 'manhandle' an obviously injured and incapacitated POW.
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multiple KIA S&E troops with gunshot wounds to the forehead are NOT combat casualties.
geneva convention, my ass.
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Time to ban orel again.
Buh bye.
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Orel actually believes Saddam Hussein, that speaks volumes about his intellectual capacity... I believe we have found the link between monkey and man.
-SW
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CNN Story (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/23/sprj.irq.war.main/index.html)
After the attack, the captured soldiers were shown on Iraqi state television. Two of them, including a female soldier, appeared to be wounded. Some pictures showed what were said to be dead U.S. soldiers, some of whom appeared to have been shot in the forehead.
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MSNBC Story (http://www.msnbc.com/news/889604.asp)
In the first room, at least two had wounds to the head, and another had a groin wound.
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Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81911,00.html)
While an Iraqi smiled at the camera over the bodies and shifted them to better display the wounds, the tape showed what is purported to be U.S. Marines in U.S. military attire lying on the floor with serious head and torso wounds -- many execution style.
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Sky News (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1084778,00.html)
Pentagon sources said the dead soldiers appeared to have been executed.
They told Sky News the soldiers had bullet holes in their heads.
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Thats what I found in 3 minutes searching, buts its on every major US and cable news channel on TV.
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Originally posted by threedays
dont know but you were aplly us to not cry for hurted Iraqi children and now you are trying to speak about Nuking coz 2 guys like that ??
me engelsh no much more better, can please translate ok joe
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if it becomes clear that the citizens of baghdad are behaving akin to the japanese citizens of pre-hiroshima japan (like i saw on the banks of the tigris today) then it's fine by be if we show 'em how we handle a choice between wasting american soldiers and wasting a city.
i would not hesitate one gawdamned second the moment it becomes clear we're facing a fanatic suicidal population instead of a regiment or two of fanatical suicidal republian guards.
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Well, I haven't seen any pictures of the dead and I don't want to. The BBC is refusing to air any of the 'interviews' with the POWs.
But if that's what they show, then maybe it's true. I'm sure the truth will out.