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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Turdboy on March 23, 2003, 03:11:33 PM
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I got to thinking about why most countries are mad at Bush personally and it finally dawned on me why.
It began the moment he won the election.
From the very beginning the Democrats have made every effort to under mine his position with lies of his victory. Non stop lies saying he stole the election.
When other countries report on the election they tell their people how Bush is not the real President since he didn't win the majority of the votes.
I'm sure most people in other countries don't know how our elections are really done(hell most people in OUR country don't know) so they believe the lies and start hating Bush. I'm sure there are other reasons but it seems that most people disliked him before he even had a chance to make ANY decisions.
That being said I understand Bush isn't the best speaker we've ever had and that doesn't help him at all but he should not be the target of so much hate.
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He has allways acted with hate towards Canada..
Maybe because our Prime Minister publicly said that he hoped that Bush lost...
I think its increadble that you think the Democrats are responsible for world opinion of the president...
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actually, it's pretty much like that with any president we have. People just love to hate American's.
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No, it is much simpler than the Electoral College...
Bush's grandfather, Prescott, was doing business with the fascists in Europe in the 30's, and when G Herbert W Bush ran the CIA, he covered up these family ties to Hitler, Mussolini, and Argentina’s Peron.
The latter, Peron, was an enabler and accepted millions in gold from Swiss banks, gold stolen from those who perished in the Holocaust, to allow safe harbor to escaped WW2 war criminals in Argentina and Paraguay.
GHWB also hushed the ties of his Skull and Bones Society buddies to the Freemasons and the Trilateral Commission.
When GHWB was VP and then President, he had the power to continue the disinformation campaign, to cleanse the truth about the Carter administration’s economic and foreign policy triumphs from the history books, and replace them with lies attributing the Iran hostage crisis to Carter, and to blame the Vietnam War combat troop build up to LBJ rather than Nixon, where it truthfully belongs.
The elder Bush was able to suppress the truth about the Roswell Alien crash; issuing eyes-only orders to compartmentalize the secrecy level well beyond Top Secret. Hidden deep within the black ops budget of the Military-Industrial complex, so deep that even Clinton could not find the truth throughout 8 years of investigation.
George W. Bush, as a legacy member of the Skull and Bones, knows the connection of the CIA to Dealey Plaza, and the true identity of the three men behind the fence above the grassy knoll, and their relationship to Cuba and the conspiracy between the CIA, the Giancana Mafia, and the displaced Cubans betrayed at the Bay of Pigs.
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Originally posted by Pongo
He has allways acted with hate towards Canada..
LOL! He has? Bush has always acted with hate towards Canada?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
No, it is much simpler than the Electoral College...
Bush's grandfather, Prescott, was doing business with the fascists in Europe in the 30's, and when G Herbert W Bush ran the CIA, he covered up these family ties to Hitler, Mussolini, and Argentina’s Peron.
The latter, Peron, was an enabler and accepted millions in gold from Swiss banks, gold stolen from those who perished in the Holocaust, to allow safe harbor to escaped WW2 war criminals in Argentina and Paraguay.
GHWB also hushed the ties of his Skull and Bones Society buddies to the Freemasons and the Trilateral Commission.
When GHWB was VP and then President, he had the power to continue the disinformation campaign, to cleanse the truth about the Carter administration’s economic and foreign policy triumphs from the history books, and replace them with lies attributing the Iran hostage crisis to Carter, and to blame the Vietnam War combat troop build up to LBJ rather than Nixon, where it truthfully belongs.
The elder Bush was able to suppress the truth about the Roswell Alien crash; issuing eyes-only orders to compartmentalize the secrecy level well beyond Top Secret. Hidden deep within the black ops budget of the Military-Industrial complex, so deep that even Clinton could not find the truth throughout 8 years of investigation.
George W. Bush, as a legacy member of the Skull and Bones, knows the connection of the CIA to Dealey Plaza, and the true identity of the three men behind the fence above the grassy knoll, and their relationship to Cuba and the conspiracy between the CIA, the Giancana Mafia, and the displaced Cubans betrayed at the Bay of Pigs.
Ya, and now there will soon be a world wide shortage of, guess what, SAND! You will only be able to get sand through the White House!
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and to blame the Vietnam War combat troop build up to LBJ rather than Nixon, where it truthfully belongs.
Uhh, come again?
The elder Bush was able to suppress the truth about the Roswell Alien crash; issuing eyes-only orders to compartmentalize the secrecy level well beyond Top Secret. Hidden deep within the black ops budget of the Military-Industrial complex, so deep that even Clinton could not find the truth throughout 8 years of investigation.
Ohh, you have a screw loose. Now I know where you are coming from.
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Originally posted by Pongo
I think its increadble that you think the Democrats are responsible for world opinion of the president...
That's talk-radio logic for you.
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Originally posted by Turdboy
I got to thinking about why most countries are mad at Bush personally and it finally dawned on me why.
Don't confuse the vocal minority with the silent majority.
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Pongo why is this hard to believe?
Put aside political party it really doesn't matter but focus on what happened and how others see it.
One party loses they contest the election they still lose but continue to spout lies about the election and question it's legality.
Other countries see this not fully understanding how things work and instanly think or in some cases already think the new leader is a crook.
For some countries it wouldn't matter WHO was our President they would still hate him/her. Others can only go by what they see on the news or from friends who are here.
Now do I believe the Democrats are the only reason Bush is hated? Of course not but I do believe that their actions undermined his ability to handle other countries. And by doing this they put all of our lives at risk.
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just as long and nothing is his fault .
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Originally posted by Puke
Uhh, come again?
Ohh, you have a screw loose. Now I know where you are coming from.
Can't recognize humor?
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"What caused the International hate for Bush?
He had the balls to look evil in the face and confront it without a Tracking Poll.
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL! He has? Bush has always acted with hate towards Canada?
Well he isn't ussually very nice.
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So let me see bush is rsponsible for:
ww2
hitler
mussolini
the holocaust
joan peron
saving nazis
killing kennedy
the roswell coverup
bay of pigs disasr
covering up carter's sucess
vietnam war
If all this is true why arent you being arrested for posting this?
Please, plese seek help....
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US loves the kanucks. If you guys want...I can maybe get you into the Union.
hehe
j/k
seriously though...this **** is no reason for anti-canadian sentiments. they are our homies and we theirs. present situation is temporary.
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welllllll.. republicans were at least key figures in all those disasters....
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Well must be true... :rolleyes:
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Is worth a thousand words.
(http://www.bartcop.com/unclebush.JPG)
It's his attitude turdboy.
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If the Democrats have the ability to influence "most countries" to hate Bush, don't you think they could have mustered enough to win an election?
The dems have been asleep at the wheel for the past two years.
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^^ missing the point.
If I was your only source of information from Turdboykistan and I told you that our President was a crook and stole the election would you believe me? Would it at the very least make you question the honesty of our President?
Again I'm not saying the Demos are the ONLY reason people dis-like Bush but they hurt him from the very begining by putting doubt into the minds of other countries who don't know any better.
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Wow weazel your quoting Kerry and Bill Maher?!
Now I know your nuts!!
Your cranium has had sexual intercourse!
Simply put: Your fvked in the head!
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Originally posted by Turdboy
^^ missing the point.
Again I'm not saying the Demos are the ONLY reason people dis-like Bush but they hurt him from the very begining by putting doubt into the minds of other countries who don't know any better.
I didn't miss the point. I disagreed with it.
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His refusal to share our aubundant resource of Chicken Pot Pie.
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Sandman wrote:
I didn't miss the point. I disagreed with it.
Fair enough! Nothing wrong with that!
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Originally posted by weazel
Is worth a thousand words.
(http://www.bartcop.com/unclebush.JPG)
It's his attitude turdboy.
Weazel, I disagree with pretty much every single thing you say, but that picture is freakin' hilarious.
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Originally posted by Turdboy
Sandman wrote:
Fair enough! Nothing wrong with that!
Okay... :)
I just think the Dems are too ineffectual for blame or credit, whatever the case may be.
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What's your problem with John Kerry? (http://www.johnkerry.com/site/PageServer?pagename=biography)
Oh....I get it, he tells the truth about chimpy so he must be an "evil-doer."
At least he's not a deserter...too bad you can't say the same about your pathetic l'il hero Spurious George ehh?
Run along now....time for Faux News to update your opinion.
Originally posted by Turdboy
Wow weazel your quoting Kerry and Bill Maher?!
Now I know your nuts!!
Your cranium has had sexual intercourse!
Simply put: Your fvked in the head!
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The fact that Kerry came out so vocally against Bush gives me hope for the Democratic party. :D
If I were actually registered as a dem, I'd be pleased. :)
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If you are aking about world opinion, I'll give you some. Clinton was well liked around the world. He and Blair, for instance, were/are very close friends. I don't think Dubya and Blair are all that close, in comparison.
Bush Snr was well liked. Regan too, in a lot of places.
Nope, I don't think internal US party politics has anything to do with it. I think people just don't like or trust him, or his brand of 'tough talking'. He certainly doesn't fill me much confidence as a President. Powell is 10 times the man he is, IMO.
Frankly, I'm amazed at the speed at which Bush etc have pissed away the goodwill following 9-11. That's an achievement all by itself.
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I think you oversetimate how much reagan was loved by the eurostudmuffin appeasement lapdogs, they were pretty much in lockstep opposed to his "agression" towards the USSR or upgrading our nucler capabilty in europe, star wars, fighing the communists in nicaragua and, and etc.. How little has changed...
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Hey Gscholz.. :)
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Its 4:48 AM and I'm never grumpy. :)
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4:48 AM?
You would be better in front of your breakfast ;)
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Bush has broke treaties, even the treaties which US itself required some other nations to participate in.
Then hes acted like a goof wondering whats up with the other world being so negative towards US after his mess ups and then he just worsens the situation by making more stupid decisions internationally to retaliate.
and so on and so on.. he must be the worst president with international relations that US has had.
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I donno I just cant fall asleep tonight... Im off from school this week so it doesnt matter much, not that it would matter if there was school - just matters less now. :)
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Reagan was fully intent on breaking ABM too.. I think bush terrifies you fools because you got used 8 years of a smooth talking but indecisive clinton - plus you all loved his adulterous relations. :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So let me see bush is rsponsible for:
ww2
hitler
mussolini
the holocaust
joan peron
saving nazis
killing kennedy
the roswell coverup
bay of pigs disasr
covering up carter's sucess
vietnam war
If all this is true why arent you being arrested for posting this?
Please, plese seek help....
Main Entry: 1par·o·dy
Pronunciation: 'par-&-dE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -dies
Etymology: Latin parodia, from Greek parOidia, from para- + aidein to sing -- more at ODE
Date: 1598
1 : a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule
Maybe it is time for a seperate politics / war forum...
"It's a joke, son.... I made a funny... Say somethin' boy, your lips are movin', but no sound is commin' out of your mouth!"
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A steady diet of rotting weazel meat has done things to my mind... :D
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This is a great pictrure Weazel - Im proud to a have President that threatens liberation. :D
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I think bush terrifies you fools because you got used 8 years of a smooth talking but indecisive clinton
Clinton was indecisive over the Balkans? About Israel-palestine? Northern Ireland?
I think he was very decisive in all those situations - and two out of three ain't bad. The part he played in help foster and encourage the NI Peace Process is rarely recognised. He didn't do bad at home, by all accounts, going on the strength of the economy.
Bush doesn't terrify me, I could easily kick his bellybutton in a 1v1. Bush scares me because of the people lurking in the background, with their own agendas. To me, he's like our Queen - a figurehead, ceremonial only. As a public speaker which, let's face it, is a major part of any world leader's job, he's hopeless.
Blair would make a great American president and you know it. :D
Also, let me make it clear I don't hate the guy. I'm really quite apathetic to American politics 99% of the time. Party politics is dull, no matter where it's taking place.
Before anybody whines about it being none of my business - check the title of the thread.
BTW - I couldn't care less where he chose to put his dick.
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Clinton brought cruise missile diplomacy to its apex. I think that's where the "indecisiveness" shines through with respect to Al-Qaeda and Iraq.
As for the Balkans, I think you're overlooking the fact that he would not get involved in the UN action; so you Brits and French had to go in there without us. He didn't "get aboard" with you allies on that one did he?
Then, when the slaughter finally got so bad something had to be done, he takes the route of violating the NATO charter for the airwar there. That was decisive, I'll grant. But those who castigate Bush for not working through the UN were mostly silent then, eh?
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Originally posted by Dowding
Blair would make a great American president and you know it. :D
This country would eat up Blair - we'd love him and his "fancy-talk." Give him up you tea drinking studmuffins. :D
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He didn't "get aboard" with you allies on that one did he?
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Hey, Straffo could have done with that argument a few weeks ago.
But those who castigate Bush for not working through the UN were mostly silent then, eh?
So why do you think this is the case? Are we going to pull the left-wing conspiracy card, or will we leave that to grunherz and chums?
The truth is, I know that most British people don't know the difference between the Reps and Dems. Hell, they probably don't know who the leader of the opposition is in this country is. So why do many Americans on this board blindly subscribe to the view that Europeans have intimate knowledge of American politics?
I wish someone could answer that one for me.
Why has the support that Clinton (and America) largely enjoyed around the world, seemingly evaporated in the space of three short years? Bush even had the sympathy of the world after 9-11 - where did that go?
This country would eat up Blair...
Why are Americans so obsessed with oral sex in the corridors of power? :D
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Originally posted by Dowding
Hey, Straffo could have done with that argument a few weeks ago.
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You're an intelligent man; you tell me... did Clinton help out when the British and French proposed action? If so, why did you have to go in without us?
This information isn't secret. It was there, well documented for Straffo. So why the red herring?
Do you really feel like Clinton was being "decisive" when you Brits went into the Balkans without us?
Originally posted by Dowding
So why do you think this is the case? Are we going to pull the left-wing conspiracy card, or will we leave that to grunherz and chums?
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No conspiracy card necessary; there's plain old boring history to rely on. The US did not take a leadership role when the UN was discussing the Balkan "crisis". The US DID violate the NATO charter when Clinton finally decided to act.... after the British and French led an effort without the US that didn't work.
Yet you'll be hard pressed to find the "Bush ignored the UN" bashers on record for saying the same about Clinton, either then or now. But it's simply history. BOTH Presidents just bypassed the UN. History.
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The truth is, I know that most British people don't know the difference between the Reps and Dems.
Well, if you can figure out how they're in any fundamental sense different, please enlighten me.
I have a healthy scepticism of ALL politicians.
I think it's related to a prolonged exposure to the Beltway. 3 months inside and you begin to lose all contact with reality.
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Originally posted by Turdboy
One party loses they contest the election they still lose but continue to spout lies about the election and question it's legality.
Now do I believe the Democrats are the only reason Bush is hated? Of course not but I do believe that their actions undermined his ability to handle other countries. And by doing this they put all of our lives at risk.
Hmmm...so when 'Pubs lose the Oval Office twice by a popular majority as well as Electorial College it is OK for them to "lie" about a Dem President making him look bad and by doing this put all our lives at risk. LOL ;)
Maybe we should engage a new starrlett special prosecuter to look into Shrub's wife's finances and we will learn that Shrub has been diddling Karl Rove with a cigar. I bet we would find a necktie with some nasty stains on it too. :D
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The US has historically refused to allow it's troops to come under UN command - clearly, they were never going to be used in the peace-keeping role envisaged for the British, French, Dutch, Norwegian etc forces.
Decisive? Maybe not. But was the Clinton/US slow to get involved? If you ignore the circumstances and the precedent described above, then definitely I guess. Which would be incorrect; it had been a clear strategem by the European nations to actually solve problems on their own continent by themselves, after the Cold War. They formed the bulk of the peace-keeper force, as a result.
The ROE meant that the job could never be done, unfortunately.
Now we get to the interesting part for me. Assuming the US got involved because of pressure to stop the slaughter, and given that the US purports to have the same motivation with Iraq, why do you think there is so much opposition to the move compared to action in the Balkans?
As an aside, I didn't realise that a detachment of US Marines were under the direct command of the British at Umm Qasr. That's fairly unheard of, isn't it? I've also noted a number of British troops equipped with M16s and that SAW LMG thing, instead of the SA-80 and it's LMG equivalent.
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Gotta run right now but will be back to discuss your diversion from the first line.
First line was "Bush ignores UN. Deth to Boush & Amreeka!" in many countries.
The second was "Clinton ignores UN, violates NATO charter strikes Balkans with massive air campaign". Where were the "Deth to Cleenton & Amreeka!" people?
Point is, it's not the "ignoring of the UN", it's something else as you have just alluded.
The "whole world" easily ignores the UN when it's convenient. Not to mention the NATO charter. ;)
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Think the problem is he's perceived as not thinking things through, not being too bright, being far too willing to use force. And his black and white all categorized and quantified view of the world; with us or against us. There are no nuances, only always a binary decision process. Also an unwillingness to compromise; but that could also be called steadfastness and resolution.
Then there is the big business ties in his administration, him taking in people who were involved in dodgy stuff. And the sense that he isn't running the country, but the quiet distinguished Halliburton man standing in his shadow as VP. Haven't heard much from him since the war started, because then people would think 'war for oil', despite this not being the case.
He's also very good at messing up public appearances. It is good he speaks clearly, but it is so slow that it a) annoys b) seems like patronizing and c) make him appear less intelligent than he is. Also comments like axis of evil etc creating more tension in the world....I think one of the issues people have with him is that he is a bit impulsive and prone to treat foreign policy the same way he deals with people around him; strong words, unwilling to budge and if outcome is bad, well, we'll just deal with that later.
So whatever he is really like, he is really good at putting himself in a negative light. if it hadn't been for 9/11, I think he'd now have a quite low approval rating. Seems to be a good war time president, but not good at peace times. Sorta like Churchill.
There's also the matter that he radiates the bully stuff. 'I can do A, therefore I will do A'. Meaning people have a reason to be concerned about his future decisions. Unilateralism is what he sorta stands for to people. Now many will say that he tries to get support from world and has it, but I am talking about the perception of him. And it started with Kyoto and the bit on landmines and chemical weapons. So the world got a bad first impression of him and there's been more stuff piling up.
Don't think people hate Bush. They're just a bit worried about what he'll decide to do next, since he's like that pilot in Dr Strangelove riding the nuke down towards the USSR.
I don't think the world hates Bush. For me personally I just don't think he has the necessary diplomatic skills for foreign policy questions. It is good to be perceived as steadfasts, but being percieved as bullnosed and stubborn, as already having made up ones mind before the facts are in place is a negative thing.
Don't think people trust him. That's the issue here. He sorta reminds me of LBJ and Nixon put together, only not as intelligent. Seems to go more with gut feeling than mind.
He's one of those Player types we all know from our time in school. Charming SOB, get girls easily but don't care too much about 'em. Essentially focused on himself. And we know he was this type of person earlier in life; sure he has changed, but I still see him as a player, if a mature one.
There's no need to argue about any of the points I've made here, really. This is what I've heard people say about him and some points come from my own private perception of him. Asked why he is not as popular as Clinton abroad? Well, the points above is what I've heard ppl say or thought myself. True or false, that is why.
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It's more then Bush.
It is a Love/Hate thing with America. People love our way of life, our thinking, our Independence.
They Hate that they are not a part of it.
Those are my observations after living in Europe for 15 years. Everybody hates Porsche..........because they can't have one. Everyone hates the best Sports Team........because its not thiers.
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I don't know anybody who hates America. And I'm perfectly serious when I say that.
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Ya, Hate is too harsh.
Dislike, Envy? I can't put my finger on it. One minute I'm having a normal conversation with someone, the next they are lashing out at me and my way of life.
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Maybe you should change your after-shave. ;)
No, seriously. Santa has that problem if he starts talking about his favourite passtime - sheep-shagging. Aparently, it brings out the worst in people! I just can't understand it. :D
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Originally posted by Dowding
Maybe you should change your after-shave. ;)
What after-shave. When in Europe.........do like the Europeans;)
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Dowding wears rubber boots so he has somewhere to put the sheeps hind legs so it cannot run away. Everything I know about sheep shagging I learned from him. :D
And never mind what I said about Bush. It doesn't matter in the end, just tried to explain sentiments I've heard around me.
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From the ministry of useless information:
The M249/SAW/Minimi is a Belgian LMG that is used by many countries. USA just made it famous by buying one for every infantry squad. SAS use it extensively and I think a lot of other UK special forces and recon units do so as well.
The M16 was adopted by many UK units (like special forces and recon units) due to the prolonged teething problems with the SA80. SA80 is the main rifle in most units now, but M16 and variants are still retained because they can mount the M203 40mm grenade launcher which won't fit on an SA80.
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It's the same with the American's feeling towards the European's (the French lately). People dislike people who don't agree with them.
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Let me explain "generalization" to you .... :D
1: I don't.
2: When I think someone's being a stupid jerk, I don't mean his neighbor, mother, wife or brother.
Originally posted by TheManx
It's the same with the American's feeling towards the European's (the French lately). People dislike people who don't agree with them.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Bush has broke treaties, even the treaties which US itself required some other nations to participate in.
Then hes acted like a goof wondering whats up with the other world being so negative towards US after his mess ups and then he just worsens the situation by making more stupid decisions internationally to retaliate.
and so on and so on.. he must be the worst president with international relations that US has had.
He doesn't kiss your bellybutton and you don't like it...comply with treaties which are not in the US's best interest....it's NOT a one world govt....get over it.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Clinton was indecisive over the Balkans? About Israel-palestine? Northern Ireland?
I think he was very decisive in all those situations - and two out of three ain't bad. The part he played in help foster and encourage the NI Peace Process is rarely recognised. He didn't do bad at home, by all accounts, going on the strength of the economy.
Bush doesn't terrify me, I could easily kick his bellybutton in a 1v1. Bush scares me because of the people lurking in the background, with their own agendas. To me, he's like our Queen - a figurehead, ceremonial only. As a public speaker which, let's face it, is a major part of any world leader's job, he's hopeless.
Blair would make a great American president and you know it. :D
Also, let me make it clear I don't hate the guy. I'm really quite apathetic to American politics 99% of the time. Party politics is dull, no matter where it's taking place.
Before anybody whines about it being none of my business - check the title of the thread.
BTW - I couldn't care less where he chose to put his dick.
What was the result of the NI peace process Clinton helped foster?
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Let me explain "generalization" to you ....
Well, the post title was somewhat general in nature so I answered "generally". If you'd like me to separate everyone's individual thoughts on the matter and put them in a spreadsheet, please allow me 400 years to do so.
1: I don't.
Good, there's already too much hate in this world.
2: When I think someone's being a stupid jerk, I don't mean his neighbor, mother, wife or brother.
Very nice and fluffy, and I think most people would agree they feel this way towards individuals as individuals. Bush represents American policy, and I think that's what most of the countries populace seem to have a problem with. I personally don't have issues with what's been done, but many do.
My apologies for the over-generalizations once more.