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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vermillion on March 23, 2003, 06:38:04 PM
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Just wanted to point out this report to our little Peacenik friends who both think Iraq has not been importing banned weapons and that the Russians were looking out for the "Iraqi People" in their UN security council actions. And this all occurred prior to the start of the war, in direct violation of the UN Resolutions.
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Russian Dealers Provide Iraq With Supplies, Electronics (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81917,00.html)
WASHINGTON — Russian arms dealers have equipped Iraq with supplies and electronic jamming equipment that could throw U.S. planes and bombs off course, Fox News has confirmed.
The Washington Post first reported Sunday that Bush administration sources reported that a Russian company is helping the Iraqi military deploy global-positioning system jammers to Baghdad. Two other companies have sold anti-tank missiles and thousands of night-vision goggles in violation of U.N. sanctions.
The United States protested the aid to the Russian government on Saturday for not doing more to stop the transactions, the Post reported.
Fox News confirmed that Russians were in fact selling the equipment to Baghdad and that Russian technicians were in the Iraqi capital this week, instructing Iraqis on how to use the devices. Russians were in Baghdad as of Friday but it's not known whether they have left.
"We are very concerned about reports that Russian firms are selling militarily sensitive equipment to Iraq," State Department spokeswoman Brenda Greenberg told Fox News. "Such equipment in the hands of the Iraqi military may pose a direct threat to U.S. and coalition armed forces."
During more than a year of talks, the Russian officials initially denied the existence of the company that sold the electronic jammers, U.S. officials said. Later, the Russians said they were closely monitoring the company.
"The stuff's there, it's on the ground and they're trying to use it against us," a U.S. official told the Post. Of the Russians, the official said: "This is a disregard for human life. It sickens my stomach."
U.S. officials say they provided Russian authorities with names, addresses and phone numbers -- and in some cases, shipping dates and ports of exit -- of people involved in the sales so that Moscow could deal with it.
"We regard this as a very serious matter and thus have raised it with the Russian government at very high levels over the past two weeks," Greenberg told Fox News. "The response so far has not been satisfactory. We hope the responsible Russian agencies will take our concerns seriously."
With regard to night-vision goggles, U.S. intelligence agencies have seen some of the contracts -- required by international law -- in which the Russian government had to certify the end user of the equipment. In almost all cases, that end user was Yemen or Syria -- although Yemen has declared itself an allied partner in the war on terror. U.S. officials believe that the Yemeni or Syrian governments made sure the equipment got safely to Baghdad.
Saddam Hussein's regime has upped its stockpile of anti-tank guided missiles produced by a company called KBP Tula, the Post reported. The United States hit this company with sanctions last year for selling anti-tank weapons to Syria, officials said.
But Iraq bought a "militarily significant quantity" of Kornet missiles from that company in the past two months, reports the Post, and Putin's government was notified.
The White House voiced the greatest opposition to the jamming devices, which officials said sell for thousands of dollars each and were sold by the Moscow-based manufacturer, Aviaconversiya, the Post reported. Protests were first lodged in June 2002.
These devices were initially imported to counter U.S. and British jets patrolling the "no-fly" zones of northern and southern Iraq, U.S. officials told the Post, and were deployed last week when coalition forces began to attack Baghdad.
Russian officials have even been summoned to Washington to discuss these issues. U.S. officials were angered when they found out last week that the Russian firms were showing Iraqis how to use and fix the equipment.
The Russians "sure as hell should have been able to stop these guys," an official told the Post.
The U.S. government suspects that the Russians were hiding some of the jamming equipment in humanitarian aid flights to Baghdad, Fox News has learned. The boxes are about 3 ft. x 3 ft.
Fox News reported in January that Iraq may have obtained as many as 400 electronic "jammers" that could throw America's smart bombs off their programmed path if the U.S. goes to war.
There was "real concern at the highest levels" at the Pentagon that Baghdad may have purchased the jammers from a Russian firm, a senior defense official said then.
Officials said that if the smart bombs are diverted from their designated targets, no one knows what, or whom, they might hit instead. The worst-case scenario is they might fall on civilian sites and kill innocent people, causing collateral damage.
The types of bombs whose courses may be altered by these jammers are called J-Dams -- for "joint direct attack munitions," guided by global satellites. These are the military's GPS-guided bombs. Each one costs about $21,000 and has a maximum range of 15 miles. J-Dams made their combat debut in Kosovo in 1999.
It's estimated that 80 percent of U.S. weapons that would be used in a war with Iraq would be directed via satellites.
The Air Force is now trying to test similar jammers to see if those used by an enemy can really work on U.S. weapons.
Fox News' Foreign Affairs Analyst Marc Ginsberg, a former U.S. ambassador to Morocco, said Sunday that Arab television channels are reporting that the United States is angry at Russia over the GPS jamming devices, in part because the Pentagon had to slow down its bombing of Baghdad for fear that the bombs would hit civilian targets.
Defense officials confirm the extensive use of GPS-guided munitions, including Tomahawks, JDAMs, and the EGBU-27 used to hit the Iraqi leadership compound on Wednesday night. These are all being used throughout the country. All of the munitions used in Baghdad have been GPS-guided.
Fox News' Teri Schultz contributed to this report
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You beat me to it..had the link copied and was about to post..
Nice "friends" we seem to have.:rolleyes:
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is there a russian embassy in baghdad??
provide GPS coordinates, plz..
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russia good friend , buddy with america, russia like very much america dollar, send more please.
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Yep and don't forget the iraqies also armed with AKMs !!!
May be it's time to send the 48 hours ultimatum to Putin?
Huh ?
It's a very smart move to accuse Russia after the shame at Nasiriya.
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I wonder how long it will be before Russia sells a nuke to the terrorist Taliban forces?
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Originally posted by -aper-
Yep and don't forget the iraqies also armed with AKMs !!!
May be it's time to send the 48 hours ultimatum to Putin?
Huh ?
It's a very smart move to accuse Russia after the shame at Nasiriya.
Sarcasm is hard to detect in text. Please elaborate your meaning. All three lines.
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the russian government has almost NO control over russian arms dealers. the whole pisshole country is run by the equivelent of mikos loved super-capitalist economy...
we call 'em the 'russian mafia'.. i call 'em criminals. miko calls 'em libertarians.
cut off the money to russia. every freakin cent of it untill the criminals responsible are delivered to interpol.
anything less will result in just lip service from the puppets that make up the 'public' russian government.
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I only hope their "advisors" find the wrong end of some of our ordinance. May they suffer long and painfuly
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i'm willing to bet these are civilian contract employees.
if it's uniformed russian troops then amegeddon IS around the corner.
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Aper post: "It's a very smart move to accuse Russia after the shame at Nasiriya."
Really? What shame is that?
Oh you mean shame on the Iraqi's for faking a surrender and then ambushing U.S. soldiers?
Or do you mean shame on us for not kiling the turds outright in the first place?
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It's called capitalism.
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Originally posted by Steve
Aper post: "It's a very smart move to accuse Russia after the shame at Nasiriya."
Really? What shame is that?
Oh you mean shame on the Iraqi's for faking a surrender and then ambushing U.S. soldiers?
Or do you mean shame on us for not kiling the turds outright in the first place?
amen Steve.
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Yes Hang. Russia was put to the US money like to the drug. And now it's rather dependent.
To cut money off means to leave russians for some unpredictable way on their own.
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Originally posted by -aper-
Yes Hang. Russia was put to the US money like to the drug. And now it's rather dependent.
To cut money off means to leave russians for some unpredictable way on their own.
I KNEW it. It IS our fault.
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thats not the point. the point is, the russians are taking our money, AND STILL providing weapons to mass murderers and terror states, then we need to stop sending them money.
how else can we retain credibility in our war on terror?
if they persist, then add them to the list of terror supporting nations, followed by appropriate action as required if they do not correct the situation.
it's past time to take the gloves off, worldwide.
provide wepons to terror states, expect reprisals.
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Its going to take decades for Russia to be free of its connections with the scum of the earth. I figure thats about how long it will take us (the coalition of the not rutabagas) to wipe all that scum away and secure peace for the peace loving and decent folks of the world! Then we wont have to worry about Russia's dealings with outlaw regimes...those regimes will all be dead and buried.
btw pentagon...please build more ICBM's.
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btw pentagon...please build more ICBM's.
:D
you'll note the navy's till got boomers at sea. ;)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
:D
you'll note the navy's till got boomers at sea. ;)
ya, that sounds like a great idea. Call it "Operation Russian Freedom". If that were to happen, I'd try to assisinate your president myself.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
:D
you'll note the navy's till got boomers at sea. ;)
only 12 though.
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Yet another Canadian genius speaks out, eh?
Originally posted by AtmkRstr
ya, that sounds like a great idea,eh? Call it "Operation Russian Freedom", ya hoser. If that were to happen, I'd try to assisinate your president myself. I'm a pretty gude snipir. Beer snipir, eh?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Yet another Canadian genius speaks out, eh?
At least I can quote properly.
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Originally posted by Furious
only 12 though.
lets see, 12 subs x 24 missiles, x (up to) 8 warheads. Potentially 2304 Nuclear Weapons. Seems like enough to me lol
-Sik
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Yeah ... you're probably a much better "quoter" than you are an "ass-ass-in". :D
Originally posted by AtmkRstr
At least I can quote properly,eh?
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Arlo:
Funny pictures. I have a feeling that you're trying to offend me, and I should tell you that you have completely failed in that attempt.
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Quote:
" If that were to happen, I'd try to assisinate your president myself."
You are welcome to try, moose-breath..........
C.
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Cabby44 and Arlo:
Are you two saying that if your President unjustly started a nuclear war with Russia that you'd back him up?
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Neh ... I'm saying you're stupid and obviously proud of it. :D
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well if sombody was to commit a nuclear attrocity, they'd be worse than Hitler in my book.
Your childish remarks no longer entertain me. cya.
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i hate to bad talk the russians , but the US military said the russian GPS jammers are junk , they don't work
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Oh boo-hoo ... you'd figure a skilled "assassin" like yourself wouldn't be "tho thenthitive".
But if it eases your widdle mind any. We already knew it was a pretty safe bet you wouldn't "have to" assassinate the prez for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is the high probability that you would probably shoot yourself accidently long before you crossed the border from your radioactive land to ours. :D
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Putin=ex KGB nuff said.
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Bush has said all along you are either with us or against us. Wonder how this will play out after Iraq has been dealt with?
Elfie
Armageddon Pile-it
HiTech give us Napalm
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"is there a russian embassy in baghdad??
provide GPS coordinates, plz..
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Even for a 20-year old snotnose you're dumb as **** Hangtime.
You must continue to make your parents 'proud.' :rolleyes:
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You're only 20 Hang? Damn man, share the fountain of youth dude!
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this thread proves that russia is not weak as expected and they can still catch up with the USA (militarily) if they have enough rubles.
(http://worldmouse.safeshopper.com/images/b90em651.jpg)
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Russian arms dealers are not very far off of being criminals. They hardly represent the Russian government, do they now?