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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Erlkonig on March 23, 2003, 08:24:07 PM
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...are the moron pro-war ralliers.
http://startribune.com/stories/462/3775195.html (http://startribune.com/stories/462/3775195.html)
The only speaker who received a hostile reception was N. Ruby Zigrino, a Muslim from Minneapolis. She was initially cheered when she said she supports "ousting a tyrant regime."
But she then read passages from the Qur'an, suggested that a new Marshall Plan will be needed in Iraq, and said administration officials should study foreign-policy failures to avoid repeating them.
Her listeners responded with boos and shouts of "Screw Muslims!" "Screw the Qur'an!" and "Go home!"
What a great idea - alienate even the most moderate Moslems who side on the use of force to remove Saddam.
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Yea I know what you mean too many americans are ignorant about other cultures and too dumb. Last night I went to emergeny room to get a tetanus shot after i stepped on a rusty dirty nail and I ended up talkeing with this old mideastern couple. They looked iranian to me and spoke with an accent so i asked where they were from. They first said from san jose, and i then asked where before that? You could see some apprehension in their eyes and they waited a second before answreing - persia, as opposed to iran. I can imagine they might have been a bit scared to see big 20 something guy like me in a buzzcut ask them that at 3am. And thats unfortunate that good folks as they were have to worry about that. :( Anyway after that we had a nice talk about iranian history for a few minutes before their daughter got out of treatement and they went home. Nice pepople.
Same thing for the iraqis id aimagine i just hate it that we have lost these two fine sophistaced and hitoried people to 30 years of varying tyrants all becuse of the communist degenerates and their idiotic behavior since ww2.
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only a few of the attendees at the rally jeered her. Still too many, but *much* better than the reception you might get speaking at a peace rally and pointing out what butchers Saddam, Palestinian extremists, and/or say, Castro are.
Still, I say, as I have said all along, that the great majority of Muslims and Arabs are our friends, and our task will be much easier if we get their active help in combatting the extremists among those groups; and educating the simpleminded among us to make relevant distinctions will help greatly toward that end.
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I agree, both sides have an equal amount of complete idiots.
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"both sides"????
More like every race has their equal opportunity racist dipsh*t f*ckheads.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
"both sides"????
More like every race has their equal opportunity racist dipsh*t f*ckheads.
-SW
Yes, both sides. The anti-war and pro-war sides. Both of them. Two. The third side, "I could give a crap less", is idiot free.
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In that case, I agree.
-SW
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Every group has one...
After 9/11, one of the local radio stations in Philadelphia ran a rally/humanitarian run where people came down and donated money, canned goods, clothing, supplies for firefighters, etc... a van pulled up with 4-5 Muslims inside (turbin's and all) and opened the rear - which was FULL of supplies and goods, and some ****ing moron went up and punched one of them as he was being interviewed.
City of Brotherly Love my ass... some really mean/stupid people in this godforsaken town.
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Man.. if only they'd rioted, shut down traffic and trashed her car.
Freedom of speach vs vandalism. I don't think you know what the opposite end of the spectrum really is.
MiniD
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I don't think muslims wear Turbans. Sikhs do because they aren't allowed to cut their hair for religious reasons.
So not only did the guy punch a guy who was an American trying to help other Americans, he wasn't even of the 'correct' religion.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Every group has one...
After 9/11, one of the local radio stations in Philadelphia ran a rally/humanitarian run where people came down and donated money, canned goods, clothing, supplies for firefighters, etc... a van pulled up with 4-5 Muslims inside (turbin's and all) and opened the rear - which was FULL of supplies and goods, and some ****ing moron went up and punched one of them as he was being interviewed.
Ouch...
Just one question: What was the guy saying at the time he was punched? I ask because I remember a similar situation in NYC where a certain prince was standing with a check for ten million dollars at ground zero and started to preach about the "whys" of the incident. I believe the mayor himself delivered an effective enough "slap" (well... just handed the check back to the prince and told him to leave).
I don't like the violence (the punching in the face), nor do I like a "I have bough my right to start slamming all that is America" attitude. Actually, its one of the reasons I get labeled a fanboi here... people actually feel they are entitled because of $15 to really start tearing into things they don't fully undestand.
Now... let's compare it to what happened in Portland. People trashed buildings, cars and police vehicles. Most that were arrested were released the next day and were quoted to the effect of: "As long as the police respond to civil disobedience with force we will continue to protest." Only a couple of them said they were protesting the war. Ah... the effects of the proffessional protester. My mind goes to the old P.C.U. movie where the students had protest plackards with revolving paper rolls so they could write the protest of the day on the sign and then re-use it for a new protest the next day.
When either side resorts to violence... its out of line. I'm just waiting for someone to present a "masses of these people" type story.
MiniD
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Just one question: What was the guy saying at the time he was punched?
That's an interesting reaction to the story.
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I am not familiar with the story that Mazz related even though I live in Philly. Nonetheless, I am only too familiar with the ignorance of many people here and elsewhere. If this individual was wearing a turban he is a Sikh, not a Muslim. There is a large South Asian community here in Phila. and many of them are Sikhs and wear turbans. The irony of his being attacked while donating food for 9/11 relief is shameful, to say the least, and the fact that the attack was based on a misidentification of his ethnicity just adds insult to injury. Ignorance knows no bounds.
kbman
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Originally posted by Dowding
That's an interesting reaction to the story.
Not defeending the attack dowding... just wanting to hear more than "he punched him".
In one situation, we have a motorist that's driving down the street as people pound on his car. He gets out and is beaten by the protestors. I know what happened there.
What happened in this situation?
BTW... you only have to go back to the month after 9/11 to get an impression for the ignorant right on this one. They're the ones that tried to light mosques on fire.
The basic argument here and pretty much everywhere... mobs vs isolated incidents. Some choose to feel that the actions of a few represent the view of one side while refusing to do the same with the actions of many on the other side of the fence.
Neither action is acceptable.
MiniD
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That's an interesting reaction to his request for more information.
Originally posted by Dowding
That's an interesting reaction to the story.
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Originally posted by Dowding
That's an interesting reaction to the story.
Have you ever hit someone? Been in a fight?
...really, not kidding. Please answer.
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I thought it was interesting reaction. And I said so.
Yes, a couple of years ago furious, why?
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Originally posted by Dowding
I thought it was interesting reaction. And I said so.
Yes, a couple of years ago furious, why?
Mere curiousity.
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First off - discount the word "Turbin" that I used... slip of the mind - whatever you call the "rag" part of "raghead." They were most definately Muslims - that was the whole draw to the interview, and I can remember the interviewer making a big deal out of the head wear and "cultural" dress.
KBMan - This was only a week or so after 9/11 - WYSP sponsored the drive - I can remember listening to the station coming home from work when the guy was hit.
What he was saying, exactly I dont remember, but I wasnt thrown by it. There were no "why this happened" or "youre at fault" words - just compassion and him trying to get the point across that "we're Americans too" IIRC.
It was just an example of too much anger and not enough restraint. Im not sure what happened to either party - but the post was just an attempt to show that all different camps on an issue have their stupid members.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Man.. if only they'd rioted, shut down traffic and trashed her car.
Freedom of speach vs vandalism. I don't think you know what the opposite end of the spectrum really is.
MiniD
I did not say that they were comparable acts - I don't know how you got that idea. Do you think that the actions of those mentioned in the article were moronic or not?
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"At opposite ends"
You didn't say it outright, you just directly implied it. I can't believe you are trying to feign otherwise.
I will not say that someone booing at a speech is even remotely comparable to what was seen in the streets of S.F. Once again... freedom of speech vs vandalism and violence.
MiniD
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Agreed Mazz,
I wasn't faulting you, just making that distinction. I do recall at that time, reading about Sikhs being attacked and or harrassed and many of them closing their businesses during the period right after 9/11 to avoid the wrath and retribution of the ignorant mob mentality that was prevalent at that time. None of it was surprising, just disgusting and shameful. Sorry If it seemed I was directing my comments at you.
kbman
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I don't get it. Am I being too lenient to pro-war idiots by not mentioning ones who resort to assault to get their point across, or too critical by even bothering to point out their crass and ignorant behavior?
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
I don't get it. Am I being too lenient to pro-war idiots by not mentioning ones who resort to assault to get their point across, or too critical by even bothering to point out their crass and ignorant behavior?
Niether. Anyone who resorts to violence against a fellow man because of a personal belief is walking down the wrong path - regardless of what that belief is.
Angry Americans punching Arabs and Anti-War protestors rioting are the simple examples.
Nazi's are the other end of the spectrum.
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Nah.. its just that if you want to point out that people can be crass... well... what's the point?
You mention anti-war activists that have been somewhat overboard as of late spawning several threads on the subject. Then you present someone that was booed at a speech as a comparison.
Sorry, but even as you spelled it out it could have happened several ways. Really... as you said it... there's little difference in what Mayor Julliani did to the Saudi Prince. He also said "This is reprehensible, but America needs to reconsider policies that have caused this to happen."
I do agree that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum. I just disagree that what you have presented is a prime example of it.
MiniD