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Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: majic on March 23, 2003, 09:41:30 PM: Michael Moore gets up on stage and makes an bellybutton out of himself and gets booed heartily. Discuss.
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: Mark Luper on March 23, 2003, 09:50:23 PM: Who is Michael Moore ?
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Post by: Glasses on March 23, 2003, 09:54:07 PM: Some leftie fat ass, like a gay cartman.
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Post by: Otto on March 23, 2003, 09:54:34 PM: You wouldn't recognize Michael Moore till he pulls his head out of his Ass...
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Post by: Sandman on March 23, 2003, 10:16:00 PM: Anyone here actually see the movie?

Or do you just want to do a general leftist fat bellybutton bash...?
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Post by: Toad on March 23, 2003, 10:17:27 PM: I saw it. I saw nothing in it worthy of an Oscar.

He did raise a good question or two but he was apparently unable to find answers that made any sense.
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Post by: majic on March 23, 2003, 10:32:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Anyone here actually see the movie?

Or do you just want to do a general leftist fat bellybutton bash...?

I have not seen the movie (I have seen other work from him and do not care for it). Anywho, my reference was to his actions on stage and the crowds reaction. Shortly after the guy who won for best actor (I didn't see his movie either :) ) showed a lot more class accepting his award and simply stated that he hoped it would end soon and that peace will come to Iraq and our troops come home safe. He received a standing ovation.
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Post by: FLS on March 23, 2003, 10:34:42 PM: He should have got the Oscar for editing.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

--)-FLS----
Musketeers
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Post by: Rasker on March 23, 2003, 10:37:50 PM: yeah its quite a change from the 1975 Oscars when the winners hailing the Communist victory over South Vietnam were cheered. :(

I was watching for just such a reaction and I guess the Hollywood bunch have enough of a sense of self preservation not to cheer for the opponents of American troops actually in the field.
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Post by: Sandman on March 23, 2003, 10:44:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by majic
I have not seen the movie (I have seen other work from him and do not care for it). Anywho, my reference was to his actions on stage and the crowds reaction. Shortly after the guy who won for best actor (I didn't see his movie either :) ) showed a lot more class accepting his award and simply stated that he hoped it would end soon and that peace will come to Iraq and our troops come home safe. He received a standing ovation.

The best part of it was when he told the band to stop because he was almost done. He had to work for that standing O.
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Post by: Mini D on March 23, 2003, 11:33:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FLS
He should have got the Oscar for editing.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

--)-FLS----
Musketeers
That's an interesting read.

MiniD
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 23, 2003, 11:51:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
That's an interesting read.

MiniD

All lies of course!!!
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Post by: SOB on March 23, 2003, 11:56:19 PM: I haven't seen it yet, but generally enjoy watching Michael Moore's work...even if I don't agree with a lot of what he stands for.

SOB
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Post by: Frogm4n on March 24, 2003, 12:13:33 AM: it raised alot of questions but didnt really give any answers. but it was a good documentry. from what i heard only a handfull of loud people were the ones booing.
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Post by: SOB on March 24, 2003, 12:30:16 AM: If he was getting boo'd at the Oscars, then he was probably doing something right.

SOB
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Post by: Hangtime on March 24, 2003, 12:33:22 AM: i'da booed the guy too.

his remarks were ass.
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Post by: Sandman on March 24, 2003, 12:34:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SOB
I haven't seen it yet, but generally enjoy watching Michael Moore's work...even if I don't agree with a lot of what he stands for.

SOB

Here ya go...

Quote
Whoa. On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to — they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much.

It's really not much different than what he said in "Stupid White Men."
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Post by: Hangtime on March 24, 2003, 12:40:02 AM: intresting noises from a guy thats just won an oscar for the production a 'documentary' that was in effect a tapestry of cleverly cut reality woven with outright lies to portray the event in a light consistent with his politics.

he must be french.
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Post by: Steve on March 24, 2003, 12:40:58 AM: There were so many actors who made disparaging remarks in the recent weeks.. there was I was goin gto watch the oscars... I passed.
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on March 24, 2003, 12:44:18 AM: Oscars???? Hollywood????

You all actually give a ****?!?!?!
-SW
EDIT: Okay, that's queer- when did they start censoring vulgar words?
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Post by: SOB on March 24, 2003, 12:54:17 AM: "And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up"

The rest was poop, but I found this amusing. :)
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Post by: Rasker on March 24, 2003, 01:52:44 AM: hmm the Pope and the Dixie Chicks, can anyone make that into An Axis of (what)?
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Post by: Urchin on March 24, 2003, 02:06:42 AM: That IS an interesting read... can they take back those Oscar thingies?
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Post by: Pfunk on March 24, 2003, 02:21:08 AM: really HTC started censoring curse words....... **** **** PISS

woh i guess they actually did
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Post by: Grendel on March 24, 2003, 04:58:57 AM: Very good, informative film. Explains a lot. Of course the hard truth is too much for many to swallow. Especially without seeing the film at all :)

And a good speech as well by the director on the Oscars.
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Post by: Cabby44 on March 24, 2003, 05:07:55 AM: Grendel, read the link posted above. Michael Moore's dreck contains about as much "documentary truth" as "Triumph Of The Will"....

C.
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 05:14:41 AM: I've generally like Michael Moore's stuff, and that Dixie Chicks/Pope line is good. :D
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Post by: -tronski- on March 24, 2003, 06:36:40 AM: I liked Bowling, and I thought TV Nation and Stupid white men were excellent as well...

Tronsky
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Post by: Eagler on March 24, 2003, 07:04:58 AM: you guys <- uses term loosely - watched that crap - LOL
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 07:13:25 AM: I initally like Rodge And Me but upon reflection most of what he did was terrorize secretaries and lobby attendants. He was just a shameless bully with a camera caloussly interrupting the workdays and livbes of ordinary americans. I'd love it if somebody with a camera crew harassed him a few times a day for a ouple of weeks - but I'd bet the mlitmillionare moore would just have his security company or lawyers shoo them away. The guy is an arrogant bully and a fraud.
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Post by: fffreeze220 on March 24, 2003, 07:14:52 AM: Great film.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 07:29:42 AM: I have no doubt it was popular in germany, a country with a long tradition of fine and impartial documentary filmmaking... :rolleyes:
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 07:46:20 AM: You're pathetic grunherz. You play the Nazi card at every turn.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 07:54:10 AM: Perhaps... But this time its perfectly fitting as the "documentary" is done in the nazi propaganda style and hopes to mislead ignorant by playing the sterotyped USA nutjob card at every turn...

Plus I think triumph des willens is a "Great film.", it shows the true nature of the german people and goes where the big coroporate controlled media dare not venture. In fact it's so avant garde and risqe in its defiance of the ficticous nature of germany today that i think we should award it a special prize at cannas and a 13 minute standing ovation., Yea, magnifique - just tells me everything about germany that I allready made up my mind I wanted to belive. :rolleyes:

Get the point now ignorant eurpean propaganda sheep? :)
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 07:57:14 AM: You play the Nazi card with every German, no matter what the subject. The only pre-condition is that you have to disagree with them.

It's pathetic.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:01:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
You play the Nazi card with every German, no matter what the subject. The only pre-condition is that you have to disagree with them.

It's pathetic.

Well ill make sure i refer any sterotyped attacks on americans to you from now on.... OK?

BTW how many unarmed indian protest marchers have you beaten up today, starved any boers?

Just to let you know I spent the night eating serbian children and fuking their parents skulls. :)
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Post by: straffo on March 24, 2003, 08:08:34 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Just to let you know I spent the night eating serbian children and fuking their parents skulls. :)

with freedom fries ?
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 08:09:08 AM: I don't know what you're talking about, sorry.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:16:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
with freedom fries ?

Of course, yummm. :D
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 08:20:19 AM: hehe well the movie was cool :D
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:20:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
I don't know what you're talking about, sorry.

I suggest you read up on Brit history then, I'm gonna start using the colonialim card on every brit I disagree wiyh from now on. Mkay?

As for the other comment, you can bring up the ww2 croatian genocide effort againt me whenver you feel like it.

But I was dissapinted you missed the skull fuking reference.. :)

In other words I dont take it all too seriously and I dont think he is a nazi - its just a button to push I guess. :)

Now feel free to compulsivly disagree with me and provide your intellcually stimulating counterpoint Dowding..
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:21:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by air_guard
hehe well the movie was cool :D

Which one Mr Quisling? ;)
Title: Looks like he took lessons from Faux News team.
Post by: weazel on March 24, 2003, 08:22:37 AM: Quote
Originally posted by FLS
He should have got the Oscar for editing.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

--)-FLS----
Musketeers
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: straffo on March 24, 2003, 08:24:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Of course, yummm. :D

and a excellent chianti ? ;)
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:25:09 AM: Which part of the article do you disagree with?
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 08:25:42 AM: What are you rambling on about? Here's a thought... why not drop the references to historical atrocities as method of 'debating'?

Wouldn't that be grand.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:26:21 AM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
and a excellent chianti ? ;)

Pinot Noir.. :)
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:26:57 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
What are you rambling on about? Here's a thought... why not drop the references to historical atrocities as method of 'debating'?

Wouldn't that be grand.

Who is debating?
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 08:27:16 AM: LOl grun since we had our quisling, I am one too ?

rofl that is kid stuff.

95 % of the norwegian people under ww2 was agianst that man, the rest was either convicted or billed and some shot after the war.
back to the movie:
I am not agains weapons, here in norway everyone have one, the numbers of weapon equals the number of people is corretct but some has 4 and some has 0, but we only have 50 murders by weapons/guns a year.
And that goes for the whole country.
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Post by: lazs2 on March 24, 2003, 08:32:32 AM: "it raised alot of questions but didnt really give any answers. but it was a good documentry. from what i heard only a handfull of loud people were the ones booing.

__________________
my cats breath smells like catfood"

It was not a "good documentary"... it was not a documentary at all.. there were no facts in it and anything given as a fact was either out of context, fraudulent or... in most cases a balatant and easily exposed lie.

The liberal press and media allways go wild over any anti gun work... they care not to give the works even a cursory look for accuracy. "the arming of America" was a "historical work" that was universally praised and showered with awards... It was not until somethime latter the the nutjob author was expossed for fraudulant research and non existent "facts" that the embarrased literary commitee had to take the awards back..

Both moore and the arming of America authors told blatent lies to make their points and were caught...They lied because they knew telling the truth would prove their preconcieved ideas wrong.

contrast that with John Lott who wrote "more guns less crime" he was universally dumped on by the literary community but.... so far... has not been proven wrong on one single point or fact in his book... and they are taking it apart down to the atom.
lazs
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Post by: straffo on March 24, 2003, 08:34:48 AM: I prefer a good Riesling to this unknow Quisling wine
(it's a cheap joke as usual ;))
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:35:12 AM: Just pointing out the common sterotypes of people airguard.

All of u euro types seem to love this movie because it plays into your incorrect sterotypes of American gun culture and you dont understand when american gun owners get upset about this BS decietful propaganda movie.

So I thought it useful to call a few of you on your national sterotypes and see how you like it.

So we have Nazi Germans.

And colonial opressor brits.

And traiterous Norwegians.

And just look at the angry reaction I got....

Do you understand now why this movie is so full of watermelon and hated by so many americans on the BBS?
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 08:37:28 AM: hahhaa cc straffo rofl :D

I relax when i hear the sissssling of a river near by when im out walking in the mountains :)

the Q. guy is very dead and was executed by his own goverment after the war we finshed it quick and easy.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:40:41 AM: Do you get the point Im making about sterotypes?
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 08:41:37 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Just pointing out the common sterotypes of people airguard.

All of u euro types seem to love this movie because it plays into your incorrect sterotypes of American gun culture and you dont understand when american gun owners get upset about this BS decietful propaganda movie.

So I thought it useful to call a few of you on your national sterotypes and see how you like it.

So we have Nazi Germans.

And colonial opressor brits.

And traiterous Norwegians.

And just look at the angry reaction I got....

Do you understand now why this movie is so full of watermelon and hated by so many americans on the BBS?

I said the movie was "nice/intresting" but not that the film is showing the truth !!
I know several ameicans and I know that there is no stereo types in your country aswell. damn I have never said so either :)
do you think im stupid ?, I have been around the world and seen lot diffrent cultures, but human beeings are pretty much the same where ever you are.
mostly nice guys everywhere.

edit: yes I can understand why a american hate this film, it is not nice.
It is showing the ugly part of human beeings and is for sure not reflecting the nature of 95% of the USA`s inhabithans.
Sorry if you misunderstood me.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:43:49 AM: But others seem to take it at face value and defend that lying filth as a documentary.
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Post by: lazs2 on March 24, 2003, 08:48:01 AM: the movie proves that the anti gun crowd are liars and that the media welcomes them with open arms. But we allready knew that.
lazs
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 08:49:49 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But others seem to take it at face value and defend that lying filth as a documentary.

only if youre a idot.
people, most of them are able to think for themselve.
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Post by: beet1e on March 24, 2003, 08:51:37 AM: Lazs - you saw it already? I thought we were going to go and see it together. ;)

Now that I've got broadband (finally) I might download this movie through Kazaa.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:53:18 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Grendel
Very good, informative film. Explains a lot. Of course the hard truth is too much for many to swallow. Especially without seeing the film at all :)

And a good speech as well by the director on the Oscars.

And the Cannes film festival created a one time specail award for this dreck and gave him a 13minute, 13 minute as in near 1/4 hour standing ovation. Then this thing was treated as a serious ocumentary, and won the oscar for a documentary.

So yea there are many idiots out there...

"people, most of them are able to think for themselve."

Many automatically consider fawning over anti-USA anti-capitalist standard Michael Moore crap like this as "thinking for themselves"... :(
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 08:55:53 AM: I got 3 shotguns and 1 mauser at home.
but i got the ammo stored away at my familys place 280km away.
the back end of the mauser is also there. I also got a plumb on my 3 shotguns.
why ?

cause i dont need them when im home, and for security if a breaking when away from home.

Then agian its about 8 years since i was hunting goose and rabbits.

reason :

I have the food i need in my nearest shop and so on ...
Another reason is that when I was with my father last time 8 years ago i faked when shooting cause i started feel sorry for the animals lol.
So i guess ages gets you weaker/or more intelligent when it comes to certain matters.

:confused:
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 08:58:54 AM: Nice story! :) But that really has no relevence in this thread unless you are suggesting that nobody in america who owns gun , doesnt hunt or doesnt keep theirs locked and loaded in their child bedroom. And I dont think you are saying that. :D
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 09:04:30 AM: LOL

well, ofcourse most people in america have their weapons locked, and for sure not placing them in the childroom.

If they wanna hunt ok for me i dont do it anymore, I guess I got outta the thread here.

The weapons is not the problem its the humans doing errors and the bad guys using them for criminal purpuse.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 09:07:43 AM: Thats always the case with dangerous tools ot things and will be.

My concern is with the people who willingly take this michael moore dreck of "documentary" at face value..
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Post by: Torque on March 24, 2003, 09:10:42 AM: I was surprised he got even got nominated let along an Oscar considering the CIA's infleunce in Hollywood. I know he had a hard time finding distributors for his book and movie.

Did you see the part when he went walking around Toronto randomly opening frontdoors to see if they were locked, hehehe.

I thought he presented some points on the bias side, he should of also referenced the per capita killings of firearms not just the totals, that can be very misleading.
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Post by: air_guard on March 24, 2003, 09:11:30 AM: well ignore him, that is the best thing to do not giving him more "prime time" on that subject. :)
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 24, 2003, 09:18:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Torque
I was surprised he got even got nominated let along an Oscar considering the CIA's infleunce in Hollywood. I know he had a hard time finding distributors for his book and movie.

Did you see the part when he went walking around Toronto randomly opening frontdoors to see if they were locked, hehehe.

I thought he presented some points on the bias side, he should of also referenced the per capita killings of firearms not just the totals, that can be very misleading.

HE thinks the CIA tried to suppress it..

What can you say about him? Is he an idiot?
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Post by: StSanta on March 24, 2003, 10:50:12 AM: Dudes hating the film; stop whining.

You have NRA. let them make a film, only in the opposite direction. It's all a propaganda war.

So Moore is better than that old actor guy. Strike back. Stop whining. Make yer own Golly-geened film and put all *your* bias into it, and distort facts/'forget' them like you say Moore has done.

Geeh, the media is a weapon. If he managed to present his personal opinion as a factual documentary and it is bought as such by a majority or at least a substantial number of people, he's been pretty skillfull with his use of the media.

And nothing stops the NRA from using the media the same way. So stop the 'oooh he is a liar boohoo' bull**** and start sending in cash/donations/incitements to the NRA so they can make a propaganda film too.

Before you say Hollywood is leftist, just make the film. Some ppl will support your cause and it will get shown somewhere. If it's good enough distributors will see the money in it and it'll get widely shown in cinemas all over the country.

Geeh. Santa must show you guys exactly ALL things in life?
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 11:44:16 AM: Quote

lol I love all this 'embedded' journalist jargon crap they've invented. :D
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on March 24, 2003, 12:16:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Torque
I was surprised he got even got nominated let along an Oscar considering the CIA's infleunce in Hollywood. I know he had a hard time finding distributors for his book and movie.

Thank God he put on his tin foil hat so they could stop reading his brain waves.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: Nashwan on March 24, 2003, 12:41:46 PM: Quote
I've generally like Michael Moore's stuff

I used to like his stuff as well, until he paid $200 for his ticket to a Sinn Fein/IRA fund raiser.
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Post by: Cobra on March 24, 2003, 12:47:04 PM: I thought he was against guns??
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Post by: icemaw on March 24, 2003, 01:00:26 PM: The time for protesting for Americans anyways was before the war started. Now that it is a fact even if you dont support the reasons for the war. You should be supporting the troops out there dieing for our country.

I hope someday somewhere mr moore is in need of help from the armed forces and they show the same support for him as he did for them.

Oh sorry mr moore your on some island somewhere and cuba has invaded we will get back to you soon click.
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Post by: Torque on March 24, 2003, 01:05:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Thank God he put on his tin foil hat so they could stop reading his brain waves.

-- Todd/Leviathn

I see your point, Hoover never did look good in a pink dress and heels...

who would of known...
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Post by: Mini D on March 24, 2003, 01:27:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nashwan
I used to like his stuff as well, until he paid $200 for his ticket to a Sinn Fein/IRA fund raiser.
Any more info on this? Dowding... any inputs?
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 01:27:19 PM: Quote
I used to like his stuff as well, until he paid $200 for his ticket to a Sinn Fein/IRA fund raiser.

Really?

Then that's the last time I watch a TV show of his. I was going to get this Columbine thing.

banana.
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 01:28:29 PM: Never heard of that, Mini-D.

Is he Irish American?
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Post by: Mini D on March 24, 2003, 02:12:41 PM: I don't know what his background is. I don't even know if he's a Canadian or U.S. citizen. This is the first time I've heard of this "$200/plate IRA fundraiser". If he knowingly participated... it really gives him a black eye.

MiniD
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Post by: lazs2 on March 24, 2003, 02:40:18 PM: santa... propoganda? sure why not but... flat out lieing just makes your position look weak and stupid.. every "fact" in moores film is either an outright lie or.... an outright lie... he isn't even hard to catch... makes his position look weak and stupid... makes those who praise his work look weak and lazy and stupid...

Name one thing the Charleton Heston or the NRA has said that was a lie.

you wont but.... even now more and more people are looking at "bowling " and realizing they have been duped by a fake documentary. If he is the best the anti gun crowd can put up then I can relax.
lazs
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Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 02:46:32 PM: Well, I did a quick search on google, but there isn't anything linking the two I can find. I might have missed something.

I find it difficult to believe someone who is so anti-gun would attend an event organised by a group with strong links to a para-military organisation.

Unless he is a complete hypocrite.
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Post by: Nashwan on March 24, 2003, 03:59:17 PM: The $200 bit might be wrong, I'm going from memory, but I remember Moore at the Sinn Fein fundraiser.

It would have been early - mid nineties, probably during the first IRA ceasefire, but again I am not sure of the details.

I saw it during a programme looking at Sinn Fein in America, and Moore was one of the few celebrities who attended that I'd heard of. I'd been a fan of Moore's BBC series up to that point, even though I disagreed with a lot of his views.

Couldn't find anything about it on a Google web search, but a groups search turned up a bit:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22michael+moore%22+sinn+fein&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&start=0&sa=N

I can't remember many of the details (judging by what's said in the newsgroup postings it was 8 years ago), but I am sure of the central fact of seeing Moore at a Sinn Fien fundraiser, and not as one of his programmes. It struck me at the time as very hypocritical.
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: Dowding on March 24, 2003, 04:01:16 PM: And this was when Sinn Fein was still firmly regarded as the political wing of the IRA.

Son of a squeak.
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: N1kPaz on March 24, 2003, 04:28:03 PM: i am an angry white dude with guns.

watch out world!!

jesus bowling for columbine is the biggest piece of bleeding heart bull**** ever created.

please france...take our democrats. we dont need them.
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: mauser on March 24, 2003, 04:29:28 PM: Check this link for counter points/corrections to this "documentary:"

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

mauser
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: Sandman on March 24, 2003, 04:34:36 PM: Hmmm... It seems that there's more than one Michael Moore...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/people_in_parliament/newsid_92000/92463.stm
Title: Too bad they don't give awards....
Post by: weazel on March 24, 2003, 04:36:26 PM: For *pretending* to be a president.

Chimpy would win hands down.
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: blitz on March 24, 2003, 04:40:14 PM: Good speech Mr. Moore and thx for the film, liked it :)

Regards Blitz

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Title: Re: Too bad they don't give awards....
Post by: Tarmac on March 24, 2003, 04:43:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by weazel
For *pretending* to be a president.

Chimpy would win hands down.

where'd that come from? :confused:
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: Hangtime on March 24, 2003, 05:12:21 PM: Quote
Good speech Mr. Moore and thx for the film, liked it

You had best unf u c k yourself or I will unscrew your head and meatball down your neck!
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: Skuzzy on March 24, 2003, 05:23:44 PM: Uhmmm...

I really do not think when people express thier opinion in a sane and civil manner they should catch a lot of flack for it. Afterall,..it is a right any American would fight for.
We may not agree, but that is ok. As long as those opinions are expressed well, then I see no reason for cooking someone's goose.

That is my opinion.
Title: Re: Too bad they don't give awards....
Post by: icemaw on March 24, 2003, 05:45:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by weazel
For *pretending* to be a president.

Chimpy would win hands down.

I am just wondering if you were President what you would have done about the WMD the millions of people he has killed the countrys he has invaded? Um 12 years of economic pressure has only made hungy angry iraqi's. Should we just walk away not do anything let the people of iraq die under sadam's heal? The reason we had to fight wwII is because of the economic pressure put on germany after the first war made a bunch of hungry angry germans and one wacked out austrian. Should we wait untill he has gathered up all the kurds and sent them to gas chambers?
Please offer some kind of advice for the President he is so stupid he needs advice from you. Please offer 1 sensible alternative to MR Chimpys war PLEASE iraqi's are dieing to hear it.

Please show me 1 single efective alternative to what we are doing. My cousin 101st airborne may be dieing to hear it.

Please for all mankind PLEASE give us 1 single efective alternative for this war!
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: Sandman on March 24, 2003, 06:10:29 PM: Is this the same argument that you're going to use when we invade the next country with an oppressive government?

and the next?

and the next?

and the next?

On this road, your cousin won't be coming home for a long long time.
Title: What WMD?
Post by: weazel on March 24, 2003, 06:30:34 PM: Have they found chimpys "smoking gun" yet?

Didn't think so..........

WMD is a msleading term as well, chem/bio weapons are being incorrectly referred to as "WMD", they aren't.... nuk'u'laaar weapons are the only weapons that fall under that definition.

If the Iraqi people want freedom then they should revolt against Saddam.

Even though we're in the country it isn't happening.

As far as countries invaded and doing something about it I seem to recall something called Desert Storm...and the prettythang whipping he took then.

I hope your cousin comes home safe...but as Sandman said with chimpy in the White House it probably won't happen anytime soon.
Title: Bowling for Columbine wins Oscar.
Post by: icemaw on March 24, 2003, 06:37:05 PM: I am still waiting for the efective alternative. I hate war. War is wastefull dirty deadly game. I would love to pull our troops out right now. But there is still the problem the efective alternative to what we are doing. I dont have the answer but I do know that hiding from the uglyness that is war will only make it much worse later on. Now that we have started this to stop now before its finished is like cloneing Hitler and making him the supreme ruler of the middle east. Do you have the answer? I know calling our President Mr Chimpy aint it.

Please somebody give us a plan a idea a insight on how to stop this and all the rest of the wars to come PLEASE I myself am begging you to. Toss out all the name calling and the rest of the bulldodo {hmm we got sensors now very nice =S=} and give us a plan! Pass it on to the U.N. someone step up to the plate and end this before we all die.

I dont have the answer do you?
Title: I never said anything about "pulling the troops out".
Post by: weazel on March 24, 2003, 06:53:44 PM: Obviously we are committed now...right or wrong.

IMO it was wrong to go into Iraq without definative proof Saddam was involved in 9/11 or was a clear and present danger to the U.S.

Chimpys junta failed on both accounts.