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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dowding on March 25, 2003, 04:05:36 AM
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Reuters have just reported that the British commander of the forces in Umm Qasr says the town is now under Coalition control and is considered 'safe'.
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I still cant believe that this little "city" with only 2000 inhabitants and 200 soldiers has hold out so long.
WTG British Army which finally has won the battle of Umīr Qasr.
Basra next...
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WTG british
how many goons did it take ?
:)
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But the docklands are as big as Southampton. And Southhampton has a huge dockland - it used to be major port of the British Empire.
The Iraqis counterattacked out of Basra last night. The 7th Armoured Division (Desert Rats) beat them off with air support.
Basra has now been declared a target of military significance.
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The Britsh are one of the thoughest infantry in the world.
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I thought all of you here hated the war... Oh wait this was British troops, carry on.. :rolleyes:
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Now it started yes i support
Never said saddam is better :rolleyes:
when i'm against only saddam would be laughin
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I thought all of you here hated the war... Oh wait this was British troops, carry on.. :rolleyes:
I still consider this stupid and senseless war as a big mistake and Bush one of the greatest idiots of human history.
I also think that Iraq will be after the war in total chaos and civil war like Afghanistan is today.
But after this stupid and senseless war has started, there is no alternative than a clear and fast military victory against Saddam. Otherwise Saddam will become a martyr or hero in the arab world, which must be avoided.
So I hope that this war will be very soon over and I am glad that this tiny town of Umr Qasr is now under allied control.
I am still shocked how strong the iraqui resistance is. I didnt expected them to surrender in 10thousands, but I had expected that at least the iraquis in South-Iraq would start a rebellion against the sunnite-Saddam troops and welcome the allied troops.
But this has not happened. Obviously the Shiites have not forgotten the betrayal of the USA in 1991 when they were asked to make a rebellion and didnt received the promised help of the USA.
But when the allies take Basra within the next week this war could be over very soon.
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I'll take that as being aimed at me.
Firstly I was stating fact. There was no personal opinion at all, which I'm sure you're dissappointed with.
Secondly, there are US Marines under the command of the British forces at Umm Qasr, so your poke wasn't even accurate.
Thirdly, I was against the reasons for kicking off this war, definitely. I think waiting to the Autumn, making sure we had a northern Front would have paid dividends and made it much easier for UN backing to be achieved...
... but having said that, I am 100% committed to supporting the coalition forces now they are in there. You think I want to see them dead? You think I enjoy seeing POWs paraded on TV? You think I want to see the US/UK/AU humbled in some kind of pullout?
If you do, then you're a fool.
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Originally posted by babek-
I still consider this stupid and senseless war as a big mistake and Bush one of the greatest idiots of human history.
I also think that Iraq will be after the war in total chaos and civil war like Afghanistan is today.
But after this stupid and senseless war has started, there is no alternative than a clear and fast military victory against Saddam. Otherwise Saddam will become a martyr or hero in the arab world, which must be avoided.
So I hope that this war will be very soon over and I am glad that this tiny town of Umr Qasr is now under allied control.
I am still shocked how strong the iraqui resistance is. I didnt expected them to surrender in 10thousands, but I had expected that at least the iraquis in South-Iraq would start a rebellion against the sunnite-Saddam troops and welcome the allied troops.
But this has not happened. Obviously the Shiites have not forgotten the betrayal of the USA in 1991 when they were asked to make a rebellion and didnt received the promised help of the USA.
But when the allies take Basra within the next week this war could be over very soon.
Where the f(*k do you get off telling us that the US betrayed them. You better GD look at UN. Oh..and where the hell where thier Arabic brothers? Answer this please?
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LOL - help for the shiite iraquis from their Arabic brothers?
Mister - go and read something about sunnites and shiites, before you write such a nonsense.
The shiite islam is a modification of the islamic religion done by Iran shortly after it was conquered by the arabs in the 7th century.
In Iran the vast majority of the people are shiites.
And the only arab country in the world where there are also a significant number of shiites is Iraq.
The last thing which would happen is that one of the arab nations (where nearly 100% of the muslims are sunnites) would help shiites which were often defined in history by the sunnits as heretics.
Its a fact that in 1991 Bush jr. asked the kurds and the shiite iraquis to revolt against Saddam.
He promised support from the US forces which just had captured Kuwait.
But this help never arrives. Instead Saddam was allowed to use his air force and helicopters to crush down the rebellions.
The losses were enormeous. More than 100000 people died in the massacres of Saddam and their marchs to rescue camps in Turkey, Syria and Iran. Then - too late - the no-flight-zones were established.
The only nation which would have helped the iraqui shiites would have been Iran.
But because Iran is a non-arab-country and the USA didnt wanted to see the shiite majority of Iraq ruling Iraq and becoming an iranian satellite, Iran was "asked" not to intervene.
So - the 1991 massacre of the iraqui shiites was definitevly mainly a fault of Bush sr who first asked them to revolt against Saddam, promised help and didnt kept his promise.
The UN hasnt promised the shiites help if they make a rebellion against Saddam.
Now - is your question answered ?
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Originally posted by Dowding
I'll take that as being aimed at me.
Thirdly, I was against the reasons for kicking off this war, definitely. I think waiting to the Autumn, making sure we had a northern Front would have paid dividends and made it much easier for UN backing to be achieved...
... but having said that, I am 100% committed to supporting the coalition forces now they are in there. You think I want to see them dead? You think I enjoy seeing POWs paraded on TV? You think I want to see the US/UK/AU humbled in some kind of pullout?
If you do, then you're a fool.
WOW,when did this transformation take place?
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No..it did't answer crap as your not seeing the whole picture.
IF WE HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO FINISH THE GD JOB it would of been moot. Instead the world said..enough ie the UN and our Arabic "allies".
Saddam used forces, weapons etc that he wasnt suppose to be suing but the UN ignored this... they watched the slaughter and did NOTHING.
The US couldn't act indendently. Well..we could of but it would of started the same crap we're seeing now w/the UN and many other nations.
IF we had SUPPORTED them DIRECTLY or even INDIRECTLY it would of been blasted vie the UN as an attempt to do what we are doing now.
Dont hang the blame game on us. We screwed the pooch no doubt but the UN was a prime policy maker in the Gulf War.
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The Brits are Pound for Pound the best infantry in the world and the Brits know the desert. I'm very happy there on our side. The rest of Europe can F-off. There all panzies anyway........
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at least 50% of Mo's posts have the Fword inside !
WAY TO GO !
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What 'transformation'?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Batdog, the UN mandate allowed the Coalition only to liberate Kuwait. This was determined well before any hostilities were commenced (by the Coalition). When the US told the Kurds and Shiites to rebel they new they couldn't support them without violating their UN mandate. The blame lays squarely with those who asked (red: used) them to rebel, and that was not the UN.
Once again... it was another typical half bellybutton mandate vie the UN. They allowed a defeated Dictator to retreat w/his core forces largely intact. These where the forces used to put down that rebellion. Heck... at that time I dont think we were even allowed to establish the so called "no-fly" zone. That came latter I'm thinking.
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do you really think ANY city in Iraq should be considered "safe"? What have then done, killed or captured every 13 to 80 year old Iraq male? And this was just a little town, imagine the bigger cities ... they are full of Iraq rats..
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Eagler - are you Ariel Sharon in disguise?
"Rats, untermensch they're all the same to me!"
I said "safe", with speech marks, because they mean safe in military terms. You wouldn't want to take a stroll through there, but it's safe to bring supply elements through.