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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crowMAW on March 25, 2003, 09:00:08 AM
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It is impressive that they are not even trying to be transparent. Incredible arrogance!
http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/25/news/companies/war_contracts/index.htm
What is worse is that Haliburton's subsidiary that "won" the contract, KBR, is not even going to be the ones doing the work...they are just going to be a middle-man.
"Q. Will the firefighters be KBR employees or will the services be subcontracted?
A. KBR will subcontract firefighting services to two companies: Boots & Coots International Well Control, Inc. and Wild Well Control, Inc." http://www.halliburton.com/news/faq.jsp
So why are we paying Vice-President Cheney's former employer to contract with someone else? Doesn't that just cost the taxpayers more money??
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This is proof that Hussein is secretly working for Haliburton.
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Wartime Profiteering (http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6008)
To the Victors Go the Markets (http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=1752)
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The war is not about oil.
The war is not about oil.
The war is not about oil.
The war is not about oil.
:rolleyes:
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Dear ignorant, shrieking Lefties:
Halliburton ought to win the contract. They are the largest and most competent oil well SERVICE company in the world with a lot of experience in the Middle East. Halliburton has decades of experience in oil well cementing, high-pressure reservoir "fracts", , blow-out prevention, provides equipment for oil well firefighting services, production facility construction, and other oil well services. Halliburton DOESN'T produce oil, or sell crude on the market.
Cabby
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Dear ignorant, shrieking Lefties:
Halliburton ought to win the contract. They are the largest and most competent oil well SERVICE company in the world with a lot of experience in the Middle East. Halliburton has decades of experience in oil well cementing, high-pressure reservoir "fracts", , blow-out prevention, provides equipment for oil well firefighting services, production facility construction, and other oil well services. Halliburton DOESN'T produce oil, or sell crude on the market.
Cabby
Awe man you party pooper. Why use Occam's Razor when there are great conspiracy theories to build?
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Dear ignorant, shrieking Lefties:
Halliburton ought to win the contract. They are the largest and most competent oil well SERVICE company in the world with a lot of experience in the Middle East. Halliburton has decades of experience in oil well cementing, high-pressure reservoir "fracts", , blow-out prevention, provides equipment for oil well firefighting services, production facility construction, and other oil well services. Halliburton DOESN'T produce oil, or sell crude on the market.
Cabby
And not only that... their old CEO is the VP of the United States.
What a country!
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i suppose we should have placed the contract with Fina.
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well i'm surprised, i thought fer sur the french would get the contract, seeing how they real good friends with the USA, plus the french are very familer with the iraq oil fields.
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Occam's Razor
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
Occam's Razor
... does not apply to conspiracy theories. :D
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And George Bush and Family owned one of the biggest barge towing companies for the transportation"chemical, LPG and Petroleum and Dry Cargo's"....Hollywood Marine, wich was sold to fund his Presidential Campaign when he ran....KBR, "Kellogg Brown and Root" is a Subsidary of Haliburton.
And if you ever work in the Chemical/Oil Business...you would be surprised that MANY companies have there finger in smaller companies to back funding and keep contracts manopolized. <--Spelling? LOL
Ahhhh The Circle of Life.........
isnt it funny how things go around? kind of convinient isnt it?
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..and just how many oil fire supression companies with experience on iraqi sets are currently available in that suck bellybutton section of the globe?
jezzzus chirpes with herepes, boyz and liberals; whatcha want them to do... watch it burn?
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It's all about who you know.
How many jobs have you gotten because of who you know?
I've gotten a few.
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AMEN to that!!
LOL:p
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
... does not apply to conspiracy theories. :D
I think in that case it's more like Occam's Cheap Dull Electric Shaver. One of those things that just vibrates and makes your face raw. :D
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Originally posted by funkedup
One of those things that just vibrates and makes your face raw. :D
I think you're using your new toy wrong.
;)
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http://www.gulfwarvets.com/news13.htm
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show of hands of oil patch experience...
This is who you want taking care of this problem. These guys fuggin know what they are doing. Why send in some cruddy no experience company to screw the pooch?
freaking tin hats abound.
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Ummm...did you guys READ any of my post or just the title. For the smarty righties who think KBR is the most logical choice cuz they know so much about supressing oil well fires, you need to READ Haliburton's own press release (to which I so kindly provided a link) and note that KBR will not be putting out the fires...they will get 2 subcontractors who know how to do that kind of work (which evidently KBR does not know how to do)! So why doesn't the US simply cut out the Haliburton middleman and contract with Boots&Coots??? $$$
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because haliburton is one of the republican partys biggest contributors. and bush already said he is gonna raise even more money to buy this election then in 2000.
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what is an occams razor?
heard a lefty go on some funded radio station in hippieville grass valley CA. say that... well .. a bunch of stuff that didn't sound too crazy or outright lies but... obviously wrong and self serving and then ... to finish it off... he somehow proved every liberal allegation by saying that the most "noted" nostra frigging domas "expert" had decided that the Bush was the great satan anti christ... he explained that Bush"s name could be made into 'mavis' or some such if you turned letters upside down and squinted just right or some such nonsense.... the host was very interested...but... had to consult his crystals.
lazs
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thats who i was referring to crow.....once again, have you ever seen an oil rig in operation, have you ever processed on oil contract....
matter of fact do you have ANY first hand oil experience?
Oil contracts sometimes have 100s of companies working on 1 well.
When ExxonMobil drills a well its contracted out to a company, they usually only keep 1 or 2 company men onsite to monitor the contract drilling.
Haliburton is one HUGE service company, they are involved in EVERY process of oil work. Middlemen are how the business is operated.
its like keeping boeing out of a aviation defense contract, they are gonna be involved somehow. Its just how the business works.
Most people don't realise that companies like ExxonMobil actually own very little oil equipment, its all "rented" so to speak.
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jeez thats as bad as all those wackos that did the same thing with clinton laz. nutjobs like that shouldnt be allowed to be on the radio or tv. both sides have them
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Looks like Dnil shut em up with facts once again. :cool:
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hard to believe clinton haters consulted nostrodomas experts and crystals.
what is osccams razor?
lazs
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Originally posted by Dnil
thats who i was referring to crow.....once again, have you ever seen an oil rig in operation, have you ever processed on oil contract....
matter of fact do you have ANY first hand oil experience?
Only from my family's experience...all my family is from Jay, FL. Since you are from Pensacola you may know the area and what lies underground there. Hell, you may have even serviced some of my family's wells.
Have I seen them drill on my grandparents property...yes. Have I watched a christmas tree installed on that same spot...yup. Did I watch them build the refinery on land formerly owned by my uncle...yes. Does that make me an oil expert...NO.
But I do consider myself an expert on governmental contracts since I work in that area and have drafted several contracts, MOUs, RFPs, and then created the methods/systems for contract monitoring. Plus, I've written the competitive bidding and contract monitoring policy&procedure for a governmental agency. I can tell you that in all the contracts I've been associated with, all but one have had strict limitations on the use of subcontractors. In all but one case, primary service providers were forbidden to use subcontractors that provide the primary service outlined in the contract without express permission and then only to augment the service providers own employees.
That one case involved a situation where the Florida Legislature mandated that FL Child Support Enforcement (CSE) contract with a quasi-governmental association to provide a service that the association did not have the technical capability to provide. In that case the association had to subcontract with a private company to perform the work (a vendor that CSE could have easily contracted with directly). The only purpose of the legislation was to funnel money to this association. Dnil...those are your and my Florida tax dollars at work and being wasted.
To me this appears to be the same situation. Middle men in governmental contracting WASTE our money.
Oil contracts sometimes have 100s of companies working on 1 well.
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In this situation we are NOT talking about running a drilling or pumping operation. We are talking about ONE service...extinguishing the fires. How much experience does Halibuton have in that area? Evidently none since they are having to subcontract.
When ExxonMobil drills a well its contracted out to a company, they usually only keep 1 or 2 company men onsite to monitor the contract drilling.
That is an excellent example. So the analogy would be that the US Gov't is akin to ExxonMobil. Would ExxonMobil contract with Heartland Rig/Partech to to drill for them? HRI does not drill themselves but they sure know a lot about building drilling rigs. However HRI could certainly subcontract with Noble Corp to drill though...at an added cost to Exxon of course. This is about the same as saying that Haliburton, since they have so much oil servicing experience, should be hired so they can hire Boots&Coots to put out the fires.
BTW, someone mentioned that there couldn't be a company over there that could possibly do the work...I heard on the news this morning that the 3rd of the nine burning wells in southern Iraq has already been extinguished by a Kuwaiti company.
Chew on those facts Rip...
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I do believe you guys have not had too much dealing with a federal contract before.
Every contract is reviewable by oversight committies. This one is almost a given. In those reviews, any contract that either offered more services for the same amount or the same services for a lesser amount must be chosen. My money says that neither happened.
If the same company comes in lower with its bids and guarantees their work (is bonded), then they are going to get the contract. If this is not the case... then an oversight commitee is responsible to point it out.
MiniD
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Oh.. and a few of you need to learn the difference between contractors and subcontractors.
MiniD
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crow i just moved to pensacola, I lived and worked in Houston, the hub of the oil business.
I was heavily involved in the drilling process. I didnt watch from afar i was in it, on the engineering end. I maintained the midcontinent well database for exxonmobil. any well drilled in the midcontinent i knew about, knew how much it cost and knew who was doing it.
It was my lively hood, it fed my family. This is all first hand knowledge. Not having Halliburton involved is damn near impossible.
Well control is a very serious business.
edit: Haliburton will service the well control company, thats what I mean by being involved. So yes boots and coots will be the man on the job but the gear and service end will be coordinated by haliburton, thats what they do.
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Doesn't "boots and coots" sound like a Strip club in Del Rio?
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Doesn't "boots and coots" sound like a Strip club in Del Rio?
-Sik
No, No....thats "Hooters and Cooters" your thinking about.
Ask for Crystal..:D
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You know what gets me pissed off..Liberals..and CNN
anytime a senator gets in trouble its REPUBLICAN SENATOR so and so..Blah blah
anytime its a Democrat it says...Senator So and so..but wont say Demo or Rep..just shows they are still the Clinton News Network..
and back to Crows jab,,,
lmfao..Love this sht...
Crow says
Vice-President Cheney's former employer
He will be hooked to this company well past when he dies ...classic. REMINDER TO ANY1 running for Public office..I guess dont work for any1 before you run for office...
And you migth as well throw in."Illegitmate" Vice President right?lolo come on Crow..they are going to take your stripes away..you are slacking on the Anti Bush party ticket..lolo
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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I have been both a contractor and a subcontractor. To complicate matters... many times in state and fed contracts they will throw out the lowest bid if it is over say 10% below the next highest bid. At the very least they will meet with the contractor to have him explain how he arrived at his figures... if he missed something (what? you mean the whole thing goes stainless?) it will just be a headache for everyone.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dune
I think you're using your new toy wrong.
;)
PWN3D :eek:
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Having worked in the OilPatch for 7 years myself, I'll back up what Dnil is saying 110%.
I've worked with Halli-bortion on at least 300 different locations. If you are going to have a company take control of a well that has lost containment, the only people I would trust to do so on such a large scale is them. Of course, this is after the fire is out, and the well containment crew have it shut in properly. Any acid wash, formation fracturing, and cementing needs to be done 110% correctly, and Halli will come closer to that than any others.
They aren't perfect, I've watched from my shack where my company (downwind electronic surveillance) had systems set up, as the Men In Red (halli) screwed the pooch, but it'll happen to anyone.
Again, there are few other companies with the experience and infrastructure to take this project on.