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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funkedup on March 25, 2003, 01:09:39 PM
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You go into your favorite bar.
And a bunch of noisy protestors walk in and start chanting anti-war and anti-American slogans. Some of them are joking and laughing about the deaths of American troops. Others are gleefully discussing weapons Saddam can use against American troops.
Wouldn't you expect the bartender to ask them to leave?
If the bartender did nothing, would you continue to spend money in that bar?
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Imagine this:
Only popular opinions are allowed. The United States of America does not care for any freedom of expression, only proscribed views are tolerated.
Is that the country you want, Funked?
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I would start rolling skulls If i heard some one laffing at dead American SOLDIERS...
nO QUESTION.. I would beat there fuqing skulls in...slowly..
Im not letting my families sacrfices get shiit on..nor will i let soem other Americans..
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Fear drives this IMO:
"Imagine this:
Only popular opinions are allowed. The United States of America does not care for any freedom of expression, only proscribed views are tolerated.
Is that the country you want, Funked?"
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one has to draw the line somewhere.
Your view touts only the extremes.
Unfortunately, the world isn't as black and white as you'd have us believe. So... let every one in America say and do whatever they like? I think not.
There has to be a consensus on acceptable behavior. not by the government, but by the people.
Otherwise why have laws, police, etc?
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Can you ever cross the line?...
Lets cheer on the Child Moletsers Chairboy..
YES..GO RAPE LITTLE GIRLS!!!!!!
Freedom of Speech YAAAAAA!
No..there is a line...see it or not...but you will be held responsible
So Cheering Dead Americans is alrigth huh? Not in my airspace..beware...I will show you some freedom....freedom to kik ur ass:) Legal or not..soem things I and most MANY of us will not except
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An then you wake up one day and say "What the heck was that? How come we got bombed all of a sudden!".
Whether they right or wrong, they do not disappear if you refuse to listen to them. It pays to know what opposition thinks of only to be ready for them.
Government and media are not likely to warn you untill it's too late, so shut your eyes at your peril.
P.S. Practically, I agree - a proprieetor can ban any speech. Here, tehy gave us an "ignore" button. Of you can just not read their posts. Unlike sound of a conversation, their typing does not affect you untill you choose to read it.
miko
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:D (BGBmaw)
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good point miko but what does that have to do with this thread ?
Freedom of speech?
Like I said, there are grey areas.
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BGBMAW, what does cheering on child molesters have to do with having different opinions on global policy? Do you require clarification as to the difference between the two?
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Diggen around in the bottem of the tackle box funked?
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Originally posted by funkedup
You go into your favorite bar.
And a bunch of noisy protestors walk in and start chanting anti-war and anti-American slogans. Some of them are joking and laughing about the deaths of American troops. Others are gleefully discussing weapons Saddam can use against American troops.
Wouldn't you expect the bartender to ask them to leave?
If the bartender did nothing, would you continue to spend money in that bar?
funkedup
what are you doing in a gay bar? :) that be bout the only bar around here which would have an idjits you describe above
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I would spray boiling hot coffee into their eyes if they tried to interrupt my lunch/dinner. But I do that to pretty much anyone who interrupts my lunch/dinner.
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i would ask them why they were protesting a war in a bar.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Imagine this:
Only popular opinions are allowed. The United States of America does not care for any freedom of expression, only proscribed views are tolerated.
Is that the country you want, Funked?
So your position is only those voices of dissent should be heard?
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good point miko but what does that have to do with this thread?
I would rather know what my adversaries think than not. Even if I have to tolerate some elevated blood pressure and white knuckles...
I do browse some "enemy" sites but they "preach to the choire", so to speak. There are no discussions there and ideas are not presented for an "average" american. When those people come here with their views, I gain valuable insight.
Funkedup should just consider it a working "undercover" as a spy in enemy territory. If we send a CIA operative to Baghdad and he listens to Hussein speak ill of america and slaps him in the face, would it be good? Not really.
Keep your cool, use a chance to convert someone to our side, study their methods otherwise. You do not want to learn that there is a major influence in US when your child comes back from college all brainwashed with the new name like "Abdoul", waving the red flag and eating tofu. :)
miko
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Actually, I think all you'd need to do is engage them in rational discussion.
Calmly challenge their views, put forth your own calm, well-reasoned and supported opinion and wait.
Because they'll resort to violence first (as we've seen all around the country) and then you're merely defending yourself when you mop the deck with them.
:)
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I do browse some "enemy" sites but they "preach to the choire", so to speak. There are no discussions there and ideas are not presented for an "average" american. When those people come here with their views, I gain valuable insight.
ahh.. got it. Same here.
I'd hate myself if I placed all my faith in US Media :)
I prefer to get a broader view as well.
even from 'enemy' sites.. in fact, they are some of the most insightful.
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Global {Policy??
They arer cheerirng on the Deatsh of the People who put there lives for you...who dont know 1 thing about you...They (soldiers) are protecting you blindly...I mean they have no idea who you are or what you do they trust that you are worth it.
Like a child trusts adults..Who thinks they woudl not hurt them...
Soldiers beleive the majority of us back them..So when we say ..we wish you were dead is BS...ROLL SKULLS TIME...
This is what is rigth..what is wrong...FUK your Politicly Correct BS
is that clear?
So..will you let some guys in aa bar talk about the 6 yr Old girl they have been raping & killed the last week??
For me ..this is the same as cheering on Torture-murder of the people fighting for us...
So..BEWARE..If any of you are in Public ..Cheering this stuff...and I or many others are around...You will get to use Medicare,,and thank me cause i pay taxes and i will pay for your sticthes..It will be worth it
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Well I'll take this question at face value.
The bar is a private establishment. Freedom of speech is not an issue, they should be able to kick anybody out for whatever reasons they want. If someone is behaving "disruptively" (my opinion of disruptive of course), then it interferes with my enjoyment of the bar.
If the bar doesn't want to stop the disruptive behavior, then I would be inclined to complain to the management: "If you want my business then you won't tolerate their behavior". If I didn't really like the bar that much, then I would probably just leave and never go back.
Hooligan
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Hooligan: If the bar doesn't want to stop the disruptive behavior...
Noise is disruptive. A guy getting in your face is disruptive.
A typed text that you have to click on, scroll and read in order to absorb is not disruptive. You go to a newsstand and buy your newsspaper. The other ones do not affect you. Same here.
miko
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Discussions are one thing but laughing about our dead troops is another.
I would politely ask them to keep those comments to themselfs and if they didn't I would show them the error in their decision.
I'm all for open discussions but there is always that line which should never be crossed in public.
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Originally posted by Hooligan
Well I'll take this question at face value.
The bar is a private establishment. Freedom of speech is not an issue, they should be able to kick anybody out for whatever reasons they want. If someone is behaving "disruptively" (my opinion of disruptive of course), then it interferes with my enjoyment of the bar.
If the bar doesn't want to stop the disruptive behavior, then I would be inclined to complain to the management: "If you want my business then you won't tolerate their behavior". If I didn't really like the bar that much, then I would probably just leave and never go back.
Hooligan
Agreed
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This is what is rigth..what is wrong...FUK your Politicly Correct BS
easy BGB.. I was referring to the tact of getting informaiton from other sources besides just CNN.
I don't mean to say I support the losers that want US people (military or civillian) to die.. hell my son is over there for Christ's sake.
In fact, having my kid over there, I'm even more keen to get the 'real' story, instead of the single-minded view CNN keeps giving.
As for the 'bar' thing (topic of this thread)..
I'd be one of the ones beating the **** outta the loser that's cheering on the deaths of our soldiers.
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Like Our Soldiers do..I will sacrife for all of you..
I will go to jail..pay my fine..
I will sock these chicks and guys in there face. Like Iraq the time for talking is over.
All of you who cant or are scared to do it..I will ..
Left Rigth Left Right..your toothless..Then they will say..Godam BiGB is ruthless...
So..everyone can cheer when they are down and bleeding in there"kill american stance"...Iwill will be escorted out..But i know I did the rigth thing defending our soldiers and there loved ones..
Love
BiGB
xoxo
Here is an image for you...
Our POW's being tortured-murdered on TV....These pictures get me as fuqn pissed and angry as seeing the Japanese torture our Americans and other allies in ww2...Disgusting..and we will stop it..With ..Life or Death..Your choice
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Originally posted by Toad
Actually, I think all you'd need to do is engage them in rational discussion.
Calmly challenge their views, put forth your own calm, well-reasoned and supported opinion and wait.
Because they'll resort to violence first (as we've seen all around the country) and then you're merely defending yourself when you mop the deck with them.
:)
I like Toad... he's brilliant. He's also right... most wienies like this will raise hell w/a crowd. Isolate them..they dont say much. Now..you take the average red neck like me. We'll speak our mind then take our bellybutton whopping.
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I will apologize for any stuff that can be taken wrong..(I dont think much if any)..But i am so pissed about the Anti-Amrican protestors and how our soldiers are treated...Im ready...
Lord knows if we were ever invaded in force.(never happen Tho)I would take many with me...many no hesitation
Salute to most of you
BiGB
PS. CNN woudl be my last source...they seem to like more negative then positive news..and play it repeadly.Im suprised they didnt show the Al Jezzera tapes....Disgusting..Ted Turner is a hunk of crap...But again..I love Turner Classic Movie channel.
Ted Turner wants the Star Spangle Banner banned...you guys know that? piece of feces..yes...feces..
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lol batmon..nice location..hehehehe
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I'd be helping BGB spread some teeth on the floor.
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LOL we are supposed to feel the same about our soldiers as Iraqi soldiers?
With us, or...
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Originally posted by GScholz
Do you expect non-Americans like Boroda (and others) to care MORE for your soldiers than other non-Russian?
I don't know what I expect from them. But I do expect that my $14.95 per month not go towards providing a platform for people who support enemies of the USA during wartime. This board is run by an American company on American servers and the majority of players are Americans. I would expect that the players and owners would stand behind our troops. It is their duty as Americans.
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Ya know "shouting someone" down for saying bull**** is just as "free" speech as any idiot climbing on to his soap box to spew forth some nonsense.
You can say what ever you want but no one has to listen to you or allow you to be "heard".
If you throw out a bull**** opinion dont get pissed when some when calls you on it.
All "opinions" arent of equal value in "all" discussions.
The government in how it applies our laws and rights is obligated to protect your ability to physically speak but the Government and the rights it affords isnt there to ensure you get heard.
So if you step into the "public square" and climb to your soap and set out to lecture the rest us then be thick skinned enough and prepared to be "bashed in the mouth"; verbally ofcourse.
Do the same thing on private property dont get surprised if you're told to stfu and get out. And if you choose not to leave then be prepared to get tossed.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I don't know what I expect from you. But I do expect that my $14.95 per month not go towards providing a platform for people who support the ridicule and humiliation of fallen soldiers. This board is run by an American company on American servers and the majority of players are Americans. I would expect that the players and owners would behave like the civilized people they claim to be.
touché
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pus..there wil be no tears if you leave...1 less target to shoot..but..no tears..
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Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
:D
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Written while high on heroin. The term "pipe dreams" comes to mind...
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Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
A multi-millionaire asking if we can imagine no possesions.
Great song though.
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I concur with Toad and Batdog.
It's also easier to sleep at night after you collapse one of their lungs when they resort to violence first. :)
-SW
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Originally posted by Eagler
funkedup
what are you doing in a gay bar? :)
He's waiting on SOB :D
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So Funked, are you basically saying you'll quit unless HTC starts banning people who disagree with you?
For instance, I could be simplistically described as 'anti-war', although I'm no pacifist. Should HTC ban me?
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Originally posted by Dowding
So Funked, are you basically saying you'll quit unless HTC starts banning people who disagree with you?
For instance, I could be simplistically described as 'anti-war', although I'm no pacifist. Should HTC ban me?
I do expect that my $14.95 per month not go towards providing a platform for people who support enemies of the USA during wartime.
By enemies I mean terrorists and soldiers killing US troops and civilians.
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I'd prolly allow Toads quiet admonition of the 'protestors'...
..after i'd stepped outside to get my louisville slugger outta the van to back him up.
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Protesting the War is one thing....
Dissing American soldiers will bring me very near the brink.
OTOH.. idiotic sentiments will die much faster when spoken aloud. I think people with stupid points should be allowed to make them... Stupid will shine through.
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they sure do Midnight...
I love letting Daschle and his crew speak...
But after a few hours of diahrea mouth...its Bulldozer time
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I hate these kinds of discussions.
So i will attenpt to end it.
If it was on private property, the bartender could have made them leave. He did not, so he eather supported them, didn't care or was mute.where im from, if a bartender feels threatened. he can blow their heads off.:D
PEASE SUCKS, WAR HELPS ECONOMIES AND PUTS MY DAD INTO A JOB since he is a fire support officer.:D :p
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Imagine this:
Only popular opinions are allowed. The United States of America does not care for any freedom of expression, only proscribed views are tolerated.
Is that the country you want, Funked?
"Only popular opinions are allowed."
Not true
"The united States of America does not care for any freedom of expression, only proscribed views are tolerated."
The USA is made of freedom of expression. But the cost of freedom is accepting the concequences of your actions. If you want to run for public office and use the argument that the general public is dumb, so they need a smart guy like you to lead them, you reap the consequences.
If you take advantage of your freedom of speech/expression to bash the president of the United States, and you happen to be an entertainment professional, and your audience happens to have different views than you do, then be prepared to accept the consequences. You are always free to say what you want in this country, but freedom of speech does not give you freedom to escape the freedoms that every other citizen in this country, of the world, is born with.
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Don't misinterpret what I said.
I really would engage them in a calm rational discussion. As MT said, let'em talk; the stupid shines right on through. We've all seen it here in the O-Club many times.
Sometimes, Funked's imaginary type folks even finally see their own stupidity if you give them the chance. Not often, but it does happen.
However, I've also found that calm, rational discussion can often bring out the worst in those that are unable to form rational thought and carry on a polite debate. Thus, it ofter does move them to violence as they can't express themselves any other way.
So, bearing that in mind, you have to be ready for them to explode on you. And, as I said, you're cleared in hot if you're willing to let them throw the first punch.
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Originally posted by weazel
Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
:D
weazel shows his true colors. This is original marxism in its purist form. libertarian??...no
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So, bearing that in mind, you have to be ready for them to explode on you. And, as I said, you're cleared in hot if you're willing to let them throw the first punch.
so... talk calmly and rationaly while you lean on a louisville slugger.
i like it.
;)
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NM
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Originally posted by Lazerus1
weazel shows his true colors. This is original marxism in its purist form. libertarian??...no
Ever hear of humor?
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That was beautiful singing Weazel, I'm holding up a lighter. :D
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unnh.. funked; is that a molotov coctail in your other hand?
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I did NOT set that fire at his house!!!
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THIS time. ;)
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:eek:
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Originally posted by weazel
Ever hear of humor?
I saw no indications of humor in your post, just a showing of your opinion, followed by the obligitory smile.
No need to hide your true feelings, most in here already know them.
As I said before..Libertarian??not
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Gee Hangtime...first you want me shot and now burned out?
You need some George Carlin in your life.
The paradox of our time in history is that....
We have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints.
We spend more, but have less.
We buy more, but enjoy less.
We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time.
We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness.
We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.
We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.
We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often
We've learned how to make a living, but not a life.
We've added years to life not life to years.
We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor.
We conquered outer space but not inner space.
We've done larger things, but not better things.
We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul.
We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice.
We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less.
We've learned to rush, but not to wait.
We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.
These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships.
These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes.
These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill.
It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom.
A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete.
Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever.
Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.
Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.
Remember, to say, "I love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it.
A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you.
Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again.
Give time to love, give time to speak and give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.
To all my friends in my life, thanks for being there.
~George Carlin~
There now.....don't you feel all warm and fuzzy? :D
Lazerus, blow me.... your too uptight to recognize humor.