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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: beet1e on March 26, 2003, 07:10:48 AM
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I've been doing a lot of 109 flying lately, discussed in this (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82141) thread. The techniques used are rather different from those of the P47, for example. Stealth is the key! Often the way to get a kill is to zoom up behind the bogie in his low 6. But on at least four occasions in the past few days, the bogie has made a break turn just as I was getting within range to take a shot, at a time when he had no friendlies that could have given him a 6-call.
And now I know how he does it. In the SOUND options within Set Up, he has his own engine sound muted to barely a whisper. That way he can HEAR a bogie as it gets dangerously close. Clearly this is a game-the-game wheeze. The real pilots of WW2 did not have the option of muting their engines. When the 109 is chasing a P51, it can take longer to catch up owing the the P51's speed. This means that the 109 will be lingering in his low 6 for many seconds. If the P51 has his engine muted, this gives him an unfair advantage.
If the game is going to allow the muting of engines, then the engine sounds of ALL planes/vehicles should also be muted - cons, friendlies and his own alike. There is no way the pilot of a real WW2 plane could have heard the engine sound of an enemy 400+ yards behind him.
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I got beefs with that issue as well.
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I give this one a 8.5 for originality. It has a good beat, but I can't dance to it.
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i have my eng and other sounds at about 50% and the wind set to 100% just so i get a sensation of speed of some sort
other than the runway, in a chute, ship/ack gun or in a gv with eng ded, the ability to "hear" an engine other than your own is gamey at best
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You saying a real life pilot in a real p51 couldn't crack his cockpit & idle back for a second to listen for enemys? Can you prove that this never happened once?
Also, some pilots do devolp a "6th Sense" that tends to kick in to warn them" Mine used to work a lot better than it does now.
While there are some things people do to "Game the game" this is not a major one on my list.
If its too annoying try flying the yak, don't need to be sneaky, you can actually outfly them. :)
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bad bad whine beetle.......
Ya didn't swear.....-1
no tantrum......-1
gaming the game is done by everyone 1 in the GAME......
originality.....bah....-.5
7.5 is my score.....
get a better plane Beetle.....or change your Tactics
ya should hook up with Apar....that boy can make a 109 dance pretty good....
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I have creeds "higher" set as my engine .wav file. As I pull up to the enemies dead six o'clock, he's either rockin' out to my cool tunes or alt-tabbed out trying to turn off his winamp. Then he dies. :D
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Originally posted by Ghosth
You saying a real life pilot in a real p51 couldn't crack his cockpit & idle back for a second to listen for enemys? Can you prove that this never happened once?
Highly improbable. And even if he did, the sound of his own idling engine plus the rush of air past the cockpit at Mustang speeds would drown out bogie sound. Did you know, Ghosth, that the P51 guns act like organ pipes, and cause a low whistling sound at some speeds/angles? If you do not believe me, I have a .MOVie file of a friend who went for a flight in a P51.
This thread is not a whine! And it's not about flying. Just plain old GtG.
hblair - lol! send me that file. :)
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Originally posted by beet1e
If the game is going to allow the muting of engines, then the engine sounds of ALL planes/vehicles should also be muted - cons, friendlies and his own alike. There is no way the pilot of a real WW2 plane could have heard the engine sound of an enemy 400+ yards behind him.
If you're relying on muted engine sounds to supplement for actual situational awareness, you suck anyway and will die often.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Muting the engine! Why didn't I think of that one. thanks for the advice Beet1e!
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The worst thing I ever did was start reading and posting on these boards....with whines like this one and the O'Club, finding another hobby sounds better and better.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
You saying a real life pilot in a real p51 couldn't crack his cockpit & idle back for a second to listen for enemys?
lol
It's because your serious that its so gaddamn funny.
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Originally posted by Creamo
It's because your serious that its so gaddamn funny.
It certainly would seem that he's never flown in something as little as a Cessna, let a lone a P-51. Last time I was in a Cessna 172, I could barely hear myself think. Maybe I should have opened the window and had the pilot throttle back.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I was flying along with my engine sound turned down to the min with external sounds turned up to the max and some cheater had the gall to dive in on my 6 with his engine turned off. HTC... please adress this immediately.
MiniD
PS... I don't really fly with the engine sound down... and I've still heard aproaching aircraft.
MiniD
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I think you are beginning to snap..
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
you suck anyway and will die often.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You saying a real life pilot in a real p51 couldn't crack his cockpit & idle back for a second to listen for enemys? Can you prove that this never happened once?
Another advantage the F16 has over the F15. The way the canopy opens up and forward lets the pilots crack it to listen for boggies sneaking up on them. The F15s canopy would rip right off.
I hear the CIA uses that ability all the time instead of just checking thier 6.
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Originally posted by Kanth
I think you are beginning to snap..
For stating the obvious?
Get with the program and turn your engine sounds back on, Kanth. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I have mine turned to about 50% I think because of it interfeering with comms. Perhaps a certain level should be forced to stop this cheat.
Sad to see when a player brings a legitamate problem to the board he gets accused of whining.
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He doesn't know that the other person was "cheating"... he just sumised it. Once again, is it possible to hear an aproaching aircraft in AH with your engine noise set to its default setting? I know it is because I've heard it. Its even easier when there aren't any other planes around.
Should it be possible? Dunno... but that's not really a question of "cheating" now is it? Of course, the post does tell everyone of a really neat trick they can use in the MA and now everyone will know that anyone who breaks with them on their 6 is using this "cheat".
MiniD
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Originally posted by Revvin
Sad to see when a player brings a legitamate problem to the board he gets accused of whining.
Err, I'm checking your posts...quite a few....and you are just noticing that sad fact?
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I can't find the engine button in my chute!!
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
For stating the obvious?
Get with the program and turn your engine sounds back on, Kanth. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Nice fruity beauquet, good viscosity, nice rich colour, original taste....
yes... definitely a whine!
LOL - turn off engineer sounds is unfair - LOL.
Have you ever thought.. that if you get on their low 6, and they did break turn... welll gee... how about either throttling back and matching their speed, execute a barrel roll or high yo-yo?
Any which way a real pilot would prosecute the attack and get the kill and not blaim his failure on the other person's... eh tactics
LOL turn off engine sounds LOL.
Dah!
How about this one... I couldn't kill him because he was romancing fluffly the sheep in the cockpit and her screams of BaaBaaaBaaaas were driving me crazy with passion. I just couldn't pull the trigger on fluffly.
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Please.. let's dispense with the nonsense
With you engine OFF, outside noises are set at normal amplitude.
As soon as you start your engine (regardless of you personal sound settings) outside noises are automatically attenuated by a fixed decible level (HTC could give exact figure I am sure)
The range at which you can pick up the audible sound of another A/C with your engine running is less than 200 yards.
I think your complaint is unfounded simply based on the range. If you are sneeking up on someone, you should be able to fire by the time you are at 200 yards.
BTW, I fly with external sounds at 100% and most internal sounds at 80% with the exception of Engine which is at 65%, and that is only because the volume level on HTC's vox is barely audible. (And yes, I know you can adjust the level for vox, but it is totally lame to have the engine noise keep dropping out every time someone is talking)
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Cutting the engine so you can hear what's going on outside of your a/c IS historicaly accurate...I know 'cause I saw Hank Fonda order his rece pilot to do it while searching for enemy armor....wait, I think that was the day after he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express....yeah, must be true.
Anyhow, I'll cut my engine when hunting for GV's...but it feels so....Hollywood.
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Originally posted by Revvin
Sad to see when a player brings a legitamate problem to the board he gets accused of whining.
My point was that it doesn't matter anyway. If you're relying on turning your engine sounds off to enhance situational awareness or supplement for actually checking your six and ensuring that nobody's in your blind spots... then it's probably not going to help you very much anyway.
I mean, you can hear enemy planes even WITH the engine sounds turned up, so it can't be that much of a help anyway. I can understand turning off engine sounds because they're loud and annoying, but as a means to "cheat" for better SA? Maybe as a pipe dream.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Kanth
I can't find the engine button in my chute!!
Chute?!? You shoulda turned off your engine sounds so you could have heard that guy coming!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by LePaul
Err, I'm checking your posts...quite a few....and you are just noticing that sad fact?
Apart from responding to questions about the Cougar or other problems in the Hardware/Software forum I don't visit these forums half as much as I used to, too much noise to wade through.
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
My point was that it doesn't matter anyway. If you're relying on turning your engine sounds off to enhance situational awareness or supplement for actually checking your six and ensuring that nobody's in your blind spots... then it's probably not going to help you very much anyway
Maybe in some cases but should we not look into every possible gamey tweak to make a level playing field for all?
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Originally posted by Revvin
Maybe in some cases but should we not look into every possible gamey tweak to make a level playing field for all?
The debate is whether or not this is even a gamey "tweak" in the first place. I can't imagine that someone with already excellent SA would gain some advantage from this. And if it aids those with piss poor SA? More power to them, I guess, but I have my doubts. Frankly, I'd just find it more confusing in a furball environment than helpful.
A simple fix would be to tie external sound volume to the engine sound volume if it truly is an enormous problem that destroys the so-called level playing field.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I too wish I hadn't read this.
If it's a game - then it doesn't matter.
If it's a sim - fix it.
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Originally posted by Rude
The worst thing I ever did was start reading and posting on these boards....with whines like this one and the O'Club, finding another hobby sounds better and better.
How I miss your Whine of the Week awards.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The debate is whether or not this is even a gamey "tweak" in the first place. I can't imagine that someone with already excellent SA would gain some advantage from this. And if it aids those with piss poor SA? More power to them, I guess, but I have my doubts. Frankly, I'd just find it more confusing in a furball environment than helpful.
A simple fix would be to tie external sound volume to the engine sound volume if it truly is an enormous problem that destroys the so-called level playing field.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Some players even good ones will do anything to get that extra edge, it's just human nature.
I think your suggestion is the quickest and easiest way to stop this happening.
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ROFL! I've always used very low volume engine sounds since first starting in AW.... helps to hear vox - as well as enemy (and friendly!) planes. :D
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I normally I have my external sounds cranked to 100% Iv got alot of the others down around 50%. I turn up my volume to where I can hear the VOX clearly, Then I adjust my own engine down to nice level where I can still get the feeling of flight, yet its not driving me nutz.
The External sounds are great when your in a dogfight, I hear the enemy louder than I might in real life, but it adds to the drama like in a movie.
I couple times Iv been saying hello to folks flying along, being my good natured self, when some enemy sneaks up on me.
I then am clued in by the sound that someone is closing on my six, and I check and its an enemy. I then attempt to break and throw off his shot. The problem is, by the time I do that... He has already killed me.
The distance you can tell someone is coming is really pretty small.
Perhaps the guys you were sneaking up on.. actually knew you were there and waited till you closed to break?
Try Commanding an operation from the bridge of a CV and using vox. Its enough to make you nuts if cant turn down the exteral engine sounds.
HTC has given us some great tools to help make the game playable. I dont fault anyone for using them.
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Another thing...
In WW2 didnt these guys were headsets to talk on radios and such?
Have you ever operated Heavy equipment with ear protection on? One thing that happens is all the white noises of your engine and machine are muffled. BUT you can hear other noises more clear. Guys here a work will put on ear protection in the loaders and things because its easier to listen to music on the radio.
I wonder if the same would happen with headsets on, if it might muffle some of the engine sounds, yet allow other sounds to be heard more clearly...
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there was a guy??? why didn't you check 6 me??
don't you know you are responsible for my SA!!
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Chute?!? You shoulda turned off your engine sounds so you could have heard that guy coming!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I actually do this- it does help sometimes. I've got my engine sound around 30%, and external up to 100. I do keep my sound down relatively low though (overall) so it isnt blowing out my eardrums.
It does help- if you lose sight of someone in a dogfight you can usually still hear them (of course, most people can also surmise where the bandit is based on his direction last time they saw him).
It doesn't do a whole lot for getting bounced. Typically if you get bounced you aren't really paying attention anyway, and by the time you hear the engine noise (which btw kicks in at about 800 yards, not 200) you are usually about a second away from getting blasted anyway.
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Originally posted by Grimm
Another thing...
Have you ever operated Heavy equipment with ear protection on? One thing that happens is all the white noises of your engine and machine are muffled. BUT you can hear other noises more clear. Guys here a work will put on ear protection in the loaders and things because its easier to listen to music on the radio.
Another operator, good man. I just recently started wearing them little bud phones under my ear muffs, when i'm in a wide open area of course.
That reminds me of when i first started operating loaders, i was in a JD 544 and backed right into a ten wheeler with a float, popping my left rear tire..lol. I coulda used a check six then.hehe.
I'll cya in Guadalcanal Grimm.
Airbumba
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lol...funniest thread EVER
5 originality
10 hilarious
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Beet1e, I think it's far more likely that these guys just see you comming. It's not terribly hard to check the low-6 position.
Listening for sound would make for a lousy warning device because it doesn't differentiate between friend or foe, and kicks in at too short of a range.
OTOH, it makes sense to tie external engine volume to internal engine volume as Todd/DMF suggested.
J_A_B
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lol I thought EVERYone did this !
as soon as we had external engine sounds I did this because I liked the sounds...
not very realistic that way though ;)
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That what I like... I think actually being able to here your opponet has he passes by nearly nose to nose is very dramatic.
Iv had guests in the room and the sounds boosted up makes them very interested.
Lets face it, its never going to be totaly realistic... Fun has to come into play at some point :)
I think this is just getting picky... Who gets to decided how much each person can hear in each a/c .. I dont think this affects good SA. If you cant fight guys with good SA. I guess you sould consider more training.
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beet1e, I'm impressed. How have u come to that conclussion? It is really brilliant. But, IMO, that may be 1 out of 200 cases.
BTW, some players just wait till the last moment to break hard, just to difficult a last deflexion shoot. That doesnt mean they have not noticed your presence much earlier.
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Beetle, I've had people call cheat saying no way you knew i was there. With Inflight radar you atleast know con in sector. with view adjustments you can see out planes well enough to see low 6 con with slight flight adjustments. 38 might be diff because views tough. But you can bet if its a halfway good player he watches dar and his 6.
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I do something similar to what Beetle is crying about. I turn down all my sounds to 75% . And turn alll outside sounds to 100%. It sounds more "real" When that bomb lands near you and feel it through the woofer. Or hearing those bombs whistling in. The games sounds so much better when the outside sounds are louder than your engine or tank tread sounds.
Toggle your engine helps in another way, when dogfighting another con, I can hear his engine die, letting me know the fight is won sooner.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
You saying a real life pilot in a real p51 couldn't crack his cockpit & idle back for a second to listen for enemys? Can you prove that this never happened once?
are you joking?
now I have hollered at the ground in a cub with the side open and heard my wife hollering back.
But think about it in a p51, you would have to shut it down, pop canopy, slow to a speed that wont knock your ears off(less 150?) that dont sound like smarts in combat.
kinda hard thing to prove also...
:D
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Originally posted by Grimm
Another thing...
Have you ever operated Heavy equipment with ear protection on? One thing that happens is all the white noises of your engine and machine are muffled. BUT you can hear other noises more clear. Guys here a work will put on ear protection in the loaders and things because its easier to listen to music on the radio.
hehe you dont have a clue about that that methinks
only way they could hear a radio was if it was in thier earsets
rofl
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Let's see... I have absolutely no peripheral vision so I've compensated by increasing my hearing ability.
This is "gaming the game?"
Gimme a break.
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if they didn't want you messin' with the controls they wouldn't be there...
just like wome.. nevermind ;)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
If you're relying on muted engine sounds to supplement for actual situational awareness, you suck anyway and will die often.
-- Todd/Leviathn
LOL! You never cease to crack me up with your brutal truths:)
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Originally posted by beet1e
I've been doing a lot of 109 flying lately, discussed in this (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82141) thread. The techniques used are rather different from those of the P47, for example. Stealth is the key! Often the way to get a kill is to zoom up behind the bogie in his low 6. But on at least four occasions in the past few days, the bogie has made a break turn just as I was getting within range to take a shot, at a time when he had no friendlies that could have given him a 6-call.
And now I know how he does it. In the SOUND options within Set Up, he has his own engine sound muted to barely a whisper. That way he can HEAR a bogie as it gets dangerously close. Clearly this is a game-the-game wheeze. The real pilots of WW2 did not have the option of muting their engines. When the 109 is chasing a P51, it can take longer to catch up owing the the P51's speed. This means that the 109 will be lingering in his low 6 for many seconds. If the P51 has his engine muted, this gives him an unfair advantage.
If the game is going to allow the muting of engines, then the engine sounds of ALL planes/vehicles should also be muted - cons, friendlies and his own alike. There is no way the pilot of a real WW2 plane could have heard the engine sound of an enemy 400+ yards behind him.
This is no different than guys that turn off and on their engines in a fight hblair and is just another example of 'gaming the game'. A dweeb move? For sure. Cheating? Nope.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by X2Lee
hehe you dont have a clue about that that methinks
only way they could hear a radio was if it was in thier earsets
rofl
Didnt really understand that sentence... But I think it means you dont agree or think its possible.
Try it sometime... Truth is it does work. Iv done many, many times. often with loud machinery without ear protection you cant hear much but the noise of the machine, But put some on and you can make out different sounds.
Now I dont know if that would hold true for A/C in a dogfight, I was just wondering...
As for me not having a Clue... well, perhaps you could relpy without being insulting. It would be nice...
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Things might change if having to hear your engines were something important. Sorry for bringing IL-2:FB features up here ;), but in that game, you really have to listen to the state of your engine to judge if there's something wrong with it or not.
There are separate console messages such as 'overheat' or 'fuel leak', but most of the problems concerning engine performance - such as the problems of degradation, damage, performance loss or failure, due to incorrect management , needs the pilot to listen to the engine carefully.
I remember engaging the MW50 injectors in the wrong fashion with a Bf109G-10, during takeoff. After a few minutes, though my engine didn't sound really bad, but there was this irrecoverable feeling that something just was not normal - the pitch of the engine hum was a lil' bit different.. and gave me an uncomfortable feeling.
Well, well.. during the sortie I found out my engine was screwed, and it wasn't giving me enough peformance as it should ;)
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If engine management ever becomes an issue in AH, no pilot would want to tone down their engine sound ;)
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The wholesale paranoia about the "engine kill dweebs" is still alive and well I see. ;)
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Originally posted by ASASIN
38 might be diff because views tough. But you can bet if its a halfway good player he watches dar and his 6.
If you adjust your head position upwards and a little to the left and zoom it in a little, you can almost a complete view of your rear area in the P-38. The horizontal and vertical stabilizers get in the way a little bit.
ack-ack
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ooh! Lots of responses. I didn't think so many people read my posts! :D;) Oh well, if it's not considered a cheat, I shall be sure to do it myself from now on. As DJ111 said to me a few days ago, as he upped in an LA7, "sometimes you have to be a dweeb to beat a dweeb!".
I actually heard about this engine volume trick when I was talking to someone on voxx, and he advised me that he keeps his own engine sound low for that very reason. Very gamey, but if that's what people want... :rolleyes: Originally posted by J_A_B
Beet1e, I think it's far more likely that these guys just see you comming. It's not terribly hard to check the low-6 position.
Listening for sound would make for a lousy warning device because it doesn't differentiate between friend or foe, and kicks in at too short of a range.
OTOH, it makes sense to tie external engine volume to internal engine volume as Todd/DMF suggested.
J_A_B
J_A_B I went offline to test all this out. With my own engine sound set very low, the sound of the orbiting P51s is audible up to a range of 1.3, at which point it cuts out abruptly.
In the cases I mentioned, I don't think the con had seen me creeping up. I had got well within range of being able to do serious damage, but in the 109-Hartmann tradition was trying for one of those 150 yard shots! I could have opened up at 400 yards, but without the gondolas the 109G10 is not a spray and pray plane.
Hehe, it's pretty easy to see that within this thread at least, the "Clamouring for More Realism" lobby is heavily outnumbered by the "New Tricks for Gaming the Game" crowd. :eek:;);):D
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The funny thing is i beheave the same. I wait and stand still untill i an figure out what tactic the other pilot will use. The surprise is bigger for him when i evade in the lat second.
Often i can scare him and turn into his turn.
And i have my engine volume not to low.
Did u ever think about that he is tracking u since a while. Just waiting patiently to see what u going to do ?
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Freeze thats usually a no no for me who wants to sit still when someone cames in and starts spraying their Hispanos and 50s at d 1.2 then Ping! off goes wing.
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Originally posted by Flossy
ROFL! I've always used very low volume engine sounds since first starting in AW.... helps to hear vox - as well as enemy (and friendly!) planes. :D
Same here.... well that is to say I never played AW much, but my AH Engine volume has been turned way down since before you could even hear other airplanes in the game (version 1.08 or 09 or something is when HTC developed engine sounds other than your own)... this helps with Vox .. hearing the wind... and just being able to listen to tunes without an overpowering whirl of engine sounds.
And i've been saved by hearing other cons 'sneak up'(sound kicks in just before 1k [ If you ever fly with a wingman you should know this easy to hear - if you sound system isn't crap ])
My SA is VERY good .. by saved I mean I was up getting a beer, or turned around from screen talking to freind etc. etc... "Hey that doesn't sound like a p38's engines!" i think and then i look just in time.
If you find that gamey .. kiss me grits ... Full volume engine sounds are beyond annoying to me after years of play in AH. I start noticeing every part of the sound loop if it's turned up loud. Sounds like rave music (techno) when you notice the rythem of the loop. Damn annoying.
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Originally posted by Grimm
Try it sometime... Truth is it does work. Iv done many, many times. often with loud machinery without ear protection you cant hear much but the noise of the machine, But put some on and you can make out different sounds.
Yep it's true. Zeb has some ear protection which was specially made for him, and apparently they filter out certain sounds (frequencies?) so that others can still be heard. Noisy machinery sound is muffled, but he can still hear people talking. :)
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Yeah even them yellow sponge things work well like that Flossy.
A headset type thing though usually muffles everything much more though.
SKurj
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I believe even some headsets can filter out certain noises, though I must admit to not understanding the technicalities. :)
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Originally posted by smash
I too wish I hadn't read this.
If it's a game - then it doesn't matter.
If it's a sim - fix it.
LMAO.. but i dont know why.
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What works good is to dive in on an unsuspecting goon and kill my engine and then pick a wing to saw off:eek:
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I turn down the engine sounds cuz that droning sound puts me to sleep during extended late night flights... and I can't hear the TV or squaddies well either if its loud.
And while we're whining about engine noise, don't you just hate it when another GV pulls up next to your camping spot and leaves their engine running?
But, hey!, for $9.95 a month, I'll adjust the sounds to suit my liking!
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I didn't think it was possible for my IQ to drop any further (how can you go below 0?), but after reading this thread, I believe negative numbers have been reached.
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aw man, if this thread wasnt created, then everyone here will not know that you can turn off your engine sounds so that it will increase you situational awareness.
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Originally posted by chance-airwolf
I turn down the engine sounds cuz that droning sound puts me to sleep during extended late night flights... and I can't hear the TV or squaddies well either if its loud.
And while we're whining about engine noise, don't you just hate it when another GV pulls up next to your camping spot and leaves their engine running?
Well that's the answer then! Link ALL engine sounds to the player's OWN engine sound. That way, he can turn down the sound for his own engine and all others around him in a single slider movement, and his sleep will not be disturbed during extended late night flights either by his own engine, or that of a con 200 yards on his 6. It would also solve the GV camping spot problem, and remove the "cheat" mentioned in my initial post. Simple...
... so why the need for some people to get so bent out of shape over such a simple issue? :eek: :rolleyes:
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This is a fine thread indeed.
400 players online, throttles to the max, burning spirals into the cathode monitor tubes in air-quake bliss, and complaining cool audio gameplay additions by HTC thwart their mastery of the skies? Jeezus, buy FB already and have something to do other than make up this retarded stuff.
I do hate everyone by default, but this justifies it. Pongo, stop being so funny, I can’t laugh so hard and hate anyone at the same time!
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What about the Situational Awareness Cheat.
Sometimes when I pick out my target, The fool has the gaul to be paying attention! The guy actually notices me and this creates a needless dogfight.
I think using SA in the MA is down right cheating. All players should fly along and not pay attention.
I think this is a much larger and widespread problem than guys that tweak the sounds for greater enjoyment of AH. I know dozens of Folks that acutualy employ Situational Awarness when flying and thwart the easy kill. I think SA should be banded, or have all views but dead ahead disabled. Better yet, Perk Views!
Seriously I just dont think tweaking the sounds is a problem. I think it just adds to my enjoyment of AH.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
You saying a real life pilot in a real p51 couldn't crack his cockpit & idle back for a second to listen for enemys? Can you prove that this never happened once?
No, it did not happen.
Some reasons told already, more to consider.
- If opened in speed the canopy would rip off.
- Open canopy causes disturbance in slipstream and causes loss of speed.
- Canopy ripping off will cause even more loss of speed and structural damage.
- Not a single pilot purposedbly and willingly throttled down in possible hostile territory making himself much better, easier target.
- Also take into account the discomfort to the pilot from open canopy.
- The engine roar and wind blow would drown out any sound he might otherwise hear.
There are few instances when a pilot actually heard something, but those were something in extremerely close range - like hearing 20 mm cannon shells pass centimeters above the canopy or other plane almost in collision distance.
Whole canopy open idea or listening to enemy sounds is so far out that it is no more even amusing.
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I fly everything standard
-gunsight
-tracers on
-volumes
-sounds
except the views they are customized
i heard of people having a over the nose second view evn that i do not have.
I bet a lot of dora pilots have it :)
Anyway i'm to lazy to change all that.
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didnt read all the replies as this thread is too long. but im sure this has been said.
how bout maybe the nme fighter that you were "bouncing" saw you coming from D6K away. :confused:
i have seen fighters try to stalk me from miles away thinking they were pulling a big sneak and i roll out at D400 and blow there shot.
seems like you are crying because people wont hold still for your sissy snap shot and run like a girl tactics.
hell most times i fly with headphones on using IFR listening to music and i still dont get bounced.
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hehe beetle i remember that i just got back from a peepee, checked my 6 and broke hard right just in the nick of time ,shoo that was close.:D
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Yep it's true. Zeb has some ear protection which was specially made for him, and apparently they filter out certain sounds (frequencies?) so that others can still be heard. Noisy machinery sound is muffled, but he can still hear people talking.
even the most basic ear protection (muffs) will work this way.
The don't need to filter certain frequencies, they simply mute the white/pink nose a bit and cut the top off (frequencies again) so that you can hear sounds (those that don't 'drone') easier through all the 'droning'.. (white/pink noise)
like someone said earlier.. even the yellow sponge type of ear protection works this way.
Most rock guitar players use them for the same reason.. easier to hear thier individual notes (and save them from ear damage)