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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on March 26, 2003, 12:19:46 PM
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Today Russian Foreign Minister, Igor' Ivanov, spoke in Counsil of Federation, the "upper house" of Russian parliament. He stated that ratification of the Treaty on Strategic Offensive Reductions (SORT) is probably not a good move in the current political situation.
Many government officials in past 6 days stated that Russia can withdraw from some treaties already signed, due to the fact that US withdrew from 1972 ABM treaty. They said we should deploy MIRV ICBMS again...
It frightens me. Are we in the beginning of a new cold war?...
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Originally posted by Boroda
It frightens me. Are we in the beginning of a new cold war?...
Nah, you can't afford it. Try and keep up. :D
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russia can't even buy fuel for it's fighters, what are they going to use for ICBM's? estes rockets?
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Originally posted by john9001
russia can't even buy fuel for it's fighters, what are they going to use for ICBM's? estes rockets?
Didn't you hear that all Russian missiles are fueled with ethanol? Shame on you! :D
Our Strategic Rocket corps are the only reason we are not bombet yet.
BTW, according to SORT Russia has to scrap nuclear wareads, while US simply "removes" them and stores...
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Boroda: They said we should deploy MIRV ICBMS again...
It frightens me. Are we in the beginning of a new cold war?...
That would be stupid thing to do on the part of russians - which they will probably do anyway.
All empires carry their own seeds of destruction - especially those that rapidly build socialism at home while relying on $500 bil./year foreign tribute in the form of trade imbalance due to printing the world reserve currency.
Russians would better heed the old Chinese prowerb: "Be patient and the body of your enemy will float by."
Much smarter and greatly more destructive move on Russia's part would be switching to Euro from the dollar and urging the others to do the same. Oh, yeah - start procreating again before it's too late...
miko
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Originally posted by Boroda
Our Strategic Rocket corps are the only reason we are not bombet yet.
Well...that and no one cares about ya'll anymore.
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Originally posted by Boroda
BTW, according to SORT Russia has to scrap nuclear wareads, while US simply "removes" them and stores...
How do you scrap a nuclear warhead? There is no safe way to destroy one- I'm pretty sure both nations are removing the warheads and simply storing them. The rockets themselves are what gets destroyed. If ya can't deliver 'em, they are useless.
-SW
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I'm pretty sure you can destroy nuclear warheads. You can reprocess the Plutonium into less destructive isotopes.
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Russia is still here ?
forgot about them.
oh yeah.. they're the ones that want SH to live with them..
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
How do you scrap a nuclear warhead? There is no safe way to destroy one- I'm pretty sure both nations are removing the warheads and simply storing them. The rockets themselves are what gets destroyed. If ya can't deliver 'em, they are useless.
-SW
The latest "under-carpet" scandal here is about weapon plutonium from warheads sold to the US. Some smart guy sold several hundreed tons of weapon plutonium to the US for some ridiculous sum of money...
Warheads can be disassembled and plutonium used as a fuel in nuclear powerplants. It's expensive, but possible.
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Neh ... Chechnyan terrorists could care less.
Borodo fearfully expresses
Our Strategic Rocket corps are the only reason we are not bombet yet.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
How do you scrap a nuclear warhead? .
-SW
they sell them to the highest bidder
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
Russia is still here ?
forgot about them.
oh yeah.. they're the ones that want SH to live with them..
WOW, they have Internet in Colorado! :eek:
My dear stupid friend, you again farted into the puddle.
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I see I am wrong, apparently there is a way to "destroy" (although it naturally means disassemble the warhead) and keep the plutonium for other devices. I think I mistook it for something else we've been having trouble with in the US lately (nuclear waste storage) and believed it wasn't safe to dispose of nuclear warheads.
It also seems that indeed the US is keeping the warheads in storage for future use (can't blame 'em for that) and that this may urge Russia to follow suit. (Can't really blame Russia for that either)
Here's a list of links I found using Google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22destroy+nuclear+warheads%22
First one is a Senate gov site, so it's more reliable than some other sites.
-SW
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Chekov would say the internet "was inwented in Russia". ;)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Our Strategic Rocket corps are the only reason we are not bombet yet.
Bombed by who? Do you think someone is waiting for a chance to bomb Russia?
ra
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WOW, they have Internet in Colorado!
wow you are so learned !!! lol
did you just find that out?
My dear stupid friend,
don't call ME your friend, if I were THEN I'd be stupid!!
Boroda, you may mean well (though I doubt it)
but you also need to learn a lot about your country.
They tell you what they want you to believe, just like every other country.
You still haven't answered me, only insulted me when you couldn't answer my questions. speaks for itself.
When you grow a brain and a spine, look me up.
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what's interesting is that I know a few Russians.. they appear much more intelligent, open minded and learned than you. Good thing I didn't make my mind up about Russia from you!
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Wlfgng, i'll follow your wise advice and try to learn something about my country. Maybe you'll tell me where to start?
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start by accepting the fact that your country (and all others) don't tell you the whole truth.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
start by accepting the fact that your country (and all others) don't tell you the whole truth.
No country tells us all the truth. My last mistake with Russian officials saying USSR didn't supply weapons to Iraq since 1980 shows this very well.
That's why I always try to find information sources from all sides of conflict.
Are there any pro-Iraqi English websites now? I read http://www.iraqwar.ru, but it's all in Russian. Hard to believe all they say, as hard as to believe Western media.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
start by accepting the fact that your country (and all others) don't tell you the whole truth.
In most countries, the media is extremely biased or gov't run. Not all countries, but most. If the gov't doesn't control it, then usually it slants all it's news anyway, since obviously they favor their own country.
I swear in the US the exact opposite is true. The media hates us. Some chick in Jordan (a CNN reporter) went on for 5-10 minutes spewing anti american crap about how we're getting our butts kicked before the anchor could shut her up. The anchor then stated she was obviously listening to the Iraqi propaganda. I bet we don't see her again.
Hmmmm, I hijacked my own post.
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Hard to believe all they say, as hard as to believe Western media.
see.. there is something we can agree on.
I'd venture to say all media is biased in one way or another.. trick is to learn to seperate the truth out.
I also agree that utilizing multiple sources of information/news is the only way to go.. not perfect but it beats only having one view point.
You must also see that America is trying to be civil as it can be in this conflict.
Trying to avoid civillian casualties, treating POW's with decency, etc.
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Wlfgng, I simly can't help thinking of the US as of an enemy, because the obvious result of this unprovoked agression will be the economical collapse here in Russia. I also try to understand who'll be the next target for "peace bombings" and "forced democracy".
About civilian casualities - US troops may really want to avoid them, but so far they fail. How can anyone speak about "precison weapons" that already have hit neighbouring countries and blow up buses with refugees?... :( About POWs - Iraq showed that American POWs are kept in good conditions and recieve medical treatment. Americans just show some people wearing moustache in civilian clothes standing in rows.
I don't blame anyone, war is war, it's just the same thing we did in Chechnya. But the reasons for this war are beyond my understanding. We had a chance to form a real alliance against terrorism, we had opportunity to work together - and now everything is down the drain. There is no such economical benefit that isn't vital to your people and OTOH can excuse argession against souverign nation.
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"precison weapons" that already have hit neighbouring countries and blow up buses with refugees?
The hits in Iran turned out to be Iraqi missiles.
The bus drove onto the bridge after the pilot had dropped his bomb.
I guess Pravda forgot to tell the whole story.
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I see Toad is correct, Boroda truly is a Cold War relic.
How come you aren't on display in a museum?
-SW
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Wlfgng, I simly can't help thinking of the US as of an enemy, because the obvious result of this unprovoked agression will be the economical collapse here in Russia. I also try to understand who'll be the next target for "peace bombings" and "forced democracy".
I think you are getting a bit paranoid. It is understandable for Russians to be paranoid, considering history.
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Boroda!
:)
I believe the SORT treaty simply limits the agregat number of warheads allowed by each nation. It says nothing of how they will be deployed, and I don't think it has anything to do with what happens to the warheads which are taken "out of play" here.
SORT is in the best interest of the Russian people. Russia is going to reduce their total number of warheads. They have no choice, due to the costs involved.
-Sikboy
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ah.. I see now.
fear drives Boroda.
don't worry man, we don't want any part of Russia.
and you are quite out of touch with the American people and motives.
you are entirely mislead if you believe all you wrote.
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the obvious result of this unprovoked agression will be the economical collapse here in Russia.
How so? Russia has a $1.3 trillion economy, Iraq's is around $60 billion. You are getting, or spreading, bad information.
ra
PS: 'unprovoked'?
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not only that.. what the heck does the US taking out Saddam have to do with Russia's economy unless it's because it'll stifle the sale of illegal weapons/technology to Iraq?
Wlfgng, I simly can't help thinking of the US as of an enemy,
be careful what you wish for...
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
what the heck does the US taking out Saddam have to do with Russia's economy unless it's because it'll stifle the sale of illegal weapons/technology to Iraq?
Or the payment from Iraq for weapons purchased in the 80s.
-Sik
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Originally posted by ra
How so? Russia has a $1.3 trillion economy, Iraq's is around $60 billion. You are getting, or spreading, bad information.
ra
Ra just go read english.pravda.ru
A lot of the things Boroda says here come straight out of the Pravda headlines and columns. If Pravda is typical of the news they get over there, then you can see why he might be scared.
For example, he claims that the missile landing in Iran last week was from the US. Not true.
You can read the official Iranian news agency website (http://www.irna.com) and find out that the missile was Iraqi (http://www.irna.com/en/archive/head/030323183944.ehe.shtml), and many of the reports of other missiles landing in Iran are false. (http://www.irna.com/en/tnews/030327175045.etn03.shtml)
But if you go on english.pravda.ru, they have on the front page a long and stupid column (http://english.pravda.ru/columnists/2003/03/26/45103.html) about US missile attacks on Iran and how this is part of a larger scheme by the US to take over Iran.
I wonder where Comrade Boroda got his wrong ideas from?
Let's not forget that Russia is run by a KGB man. I'm sure Comrade Putin remembers well that controlling the thoughts of Russians is the key to holding power over there.
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Ra just go read english.pravda.ru
explains the fear for sure
btw, didn't see that article over at irna.com
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I edited my post and added some links. IRNA has a LOT of articles so you have to look in the archive to find some things.
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Funked,...thanks. You took a bit of time to try to understand why he feels the way he does and it paid off.
Boroda is actually a pretty good guy. But it is hard to see what people are really like unless you take the time to look.
Thanks again Funked
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the thing is, you DO have to feel a little sorry for Boroda
he is very misinformed and probably very scared.
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Skuzzy
I'm not sure Boroda believes everything he says or reads. I think some of the stuff he just posts to test it. If you post an idea here it WILL get tested. :)
I should also apologize to Boroda for comments about Soviet troops in Berlin. I read Cornelius Ryan's book on this battle and it's obvious that Soviet troops fought hard and bravely to capture the capital of the enemy.
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fwiw KGB is still there.. albeit paid as 'independant' companies.. speciallizing in protection..
my brother had to pay off a few in the airport to get the wife and kid free from their 'interview'...
they isolated my 4y/o neice from her mother because the date on her visa was blurry.
my bother's company paid them to 'protect' their homes when they were away.. actually they were very good at it.
had a girl call them for help (special number) and they came storm trooping in, in case she was being abducted...
(of course they destroyed the door/windows/furniture but hey..)
oh and the 'hospitals'.. ah.. I digress
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PS I wouldn't be surprised at all if some coalition missiles do end up landing in Iran, accidentally.
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I think Russians and US could do some amazing things with future space explorations, but we have to keep our international relations stable.
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Boroda-face it, Russia is just a 3rd rate power. Nobody cares what your officials say anymore. The cold war is over, and the good guys won. :p
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udet, that was completely uncalled for.
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Wait a minute here guys.....
If Boroda has internet access to this board and others, then he surely has access to all the links that Funked put up and all the western links as well, both US, UK, French, German, the whole load.
Let's not act like Boroda has only simple Pravda access here.
He obviously knows how to surf the internet and can obviously find sources from many, MANY different vantage points.
I thinked Funked's links are great, but our Russian friend has the means to find them as well........IF he wants to really do that.
Stringer
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
udet, that was completely uncalled for.
I beg to differ. I think it is an appropiate response to his post. He cited a Russian official and mentioned the lack of press his statement received. I explained that it is due to the decay the former USSR into a poor country, with tons of corruption and only memories of its former 'glorious' past.
Then he mentioned the possiblity of a new cold war, so I reminded him who won the previous one.
I don't think I need to worry about his feelings, especially since I hate communism and anything related to it.
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Do not bring your hate/bigotry to this board.
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i kinda have a huge dislike thing going for the chappelle show...
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
How do you scrap a nuclear warhead? There is no safe way to destroy one- I'm pretty sure both nations are removing the warheads and simply storing them. The rockets themselves are what gets destroyed. If ya can't deliver 'em, they are useless.
-SW
here is the simple fix. the russ only dismantle older ICBMs that carries only 1 or 2 warheads per each rocket. When they dismantle older rockets, they will put those warheads in SS-18 or SS-20 rockets. Today, they have fewer rockets but they have 20 or 30 warheads at each rocket.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Do not bring your hate/bigotry to this board.
ok, I don't want to get banned, so I'll stop :p
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Originally posted by udet
Boroda-face it, Russia is just a 3rd rate power. Nobody cares what your officials say anymore. The cold war is over, and the good guys won. :p
I saw Vladimir Putin do his speech on "ORBITA" network in my friend's house (3-20-03) and my friend translated to me that putin is condemning the allied forces.
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Thank you for the info Ike.
-SW
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"precison weapons" that already have hit neighbouring countries and blow up buses with refugees?
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Yesssssss!!!!:D (a russian ARMs dealer firm says), "OUR GPS/GLONASS JAMMER WORKS." "Its time to deliver this systems to North Korea after the imperialists finishes the job in IRAQ!"
*note that GLONASS is the soviet version of NAVSTAR satelite to run its GPS system. GLONASS has only a life expectancy of 2 years.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Skuzzy
I'm not sure Boroda believes everything he says or reads. I think some of the stuff he just posts to test it. If you post an idea here it WILL get tested. :)
I should also apologize to Boroda for comments about Soviet troops in Berlin. I read Cornelius Ryan's book on this battle and it's obvious that Soviet troops fought hard and bravely to capture the capital of the enemy.
I feel kinda bad on what happened in 1990-1991 because the soviets fought really really hard and 27 million was lost and only to be traded with 5 million deutchmarks if they left berlin. Gorbachev needed these deutchmarks for reconstrunction in the dilapidated USSR.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Our Strategic Rocket corps are the only reason we are not bombet yet.
You guys still have rockets? I thought you guys sold them all to buy heating oil for the winter.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Boroda
About POWs - Iraq showed that American POWs are kept in good conditions and recieve medical treatment. Americans just show some people wearing moustache in civilian clothes standing in rows.
Tell that to the families of those dead Americans that were shown on that video. In case you didn't notice, those bullet holes to the forehead weren't from combat but close in shots, execution style. If you think those P.O.W.s are not being beaten or tortured, you are seriously deluding yourself. Why else has Iraq so far refused the Red Cross access?
You might also want to tell that to the P.O.Ws from the last war, with the torture and beatings they had to endure, including the multiple rapes of the female P.O.Ws.
I don't blame anyone, war is war, it's just the same thing we did in Chechnya.
Not quite. I don't recall seeing videos of any U.S. planes intentionally targeting civilian populations or of roving bands of drunken soldiers looting and murdering innocent civilians. Whether you believe it or not, the US military is taking terrible pains to minimize any civilian casualties. For the amount of bombing and ordinance dropped in and around Baghdad, it's a miracle that less than 300 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives. Of course, if it was the Russians prosecuting this war, they would have just leveled Baghdad to rubble, just like they did Grozny.
There is no such economical benefit that isn't vital to your people and OTOH can excuse argession against souverign nation.
And I don't see any economical benefit for the Russians to sell arms to the Iraqis in clear violation of UN sanctions.
Ack-Ack
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Of course not Mother Russias Communist Regime never did such things Comrrade Boroda is always right. :rolleyes:
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comrade boroda is a fisherman.
methinks he needs a bigger boat.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
not only that.. what the heck does the US taking out Saddam have to do with Russia's economy unless it's because it'll stifle the sale of illegal weapons/technology to Iraq?
be careful what you wish for...
This is what the Russians will lose when Saddam and his cronies get removed from power
Russia
According to the CIA World Factbook, Russia controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq’s annual imports. Under the U.N. oil-for-food program, Russia’s total trade with Iraq was somewhere between $530 million and $1 billion for the six months ending in December of 2001.
According to the Russian Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, new contracts worth another $200 million under the U.N. oil-for-food program are to be signed over the next three months.
Soviet-era debt of $7 billion through $8 billion was generated by arms sales to Iraq during the 1980–1988 Iran–Iraq war.
Russia’s LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq. Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N. sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.
In October 2001, Salvneft, a Russian–Belarus company, negotiated a $52 million service contract to drill at the Tuba field in Southern Iraq.
In April 2001, Russia’s Zaruezhneft company received a service contract to drill in the Saddam, Kirkuk, and Bai Hassan fields to rehabilitate the fields and reduce water incursion.
A future $40 billion Iraqi–Russian economic agreement, reportedly signed in 2002, would allow for extensive oil exploration opportunities throughout western Iraq. The proposal calls for 67 new projects, over a 10-year time frame, to explore and further develop fields in southern Iraq and the Western Desert, including the Suba, Luhais, West Qurna, and Rumaila projects. Additional projects added to the deal include second-phase construction of a pipeline running from southern to northern Iraq, and extensive drilling and gas projects. Work on these projects would commence upon cancellation of sanctions.
Russia’s Gazprom company over the past few years has signed contracts worth $18 million to repair gas stations in Iraq.
The former Soviet Union was the premier supplier of Iraqi arms. From 1981 to 2001, Russia supplied Iraq with 50 percent of its arms.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Boroda
About civilian casualities - US troops may really want to avoid them, but so far they fail. How can anyone speak about "precison weapons" that already have hit neighbouring countries and blow up buses with refugees?... :( About POWs - Iraq showed that American POWs are kept in good conditions and recieve medical treatment. Americans just show some people wearing moustache in civilian clothes standing in rows.
Well, it's obviously working better than in Grozny where russians leveled the place and caused even more enemies :>
I doubt russia could do it better if it wanted to.
But then again I don't like that chimp at the white house either..
I find it hard to believe that even without nukes, US would have ever attacked russia after the WWII.
Simply too big for the taste of superpowers, they like to fight in smaller countries.
Neither do I believe that CCCP was such a threat for US like they've advertised in the past.
However for Finland, which is one of those small countries, it could been otherwise with CCCP behind the border.
Like we all know about 1939, when CCCP invaded Finland with made up excuses.
(just like US made up excuses to attack iraq... however with much better excuse I must say :>)
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March 25, 2003, 1230hrs MSK (GMT +3), Moscow - As of the morning March 25 the situation on Iraqi fronts remains quiet. Both sides are actively preparing for future engagements. Exhausted in combat the US 3rd Motorized Infantry Division is now being reinforced with fresh units from Kuwait (presumably with up to 1 Marine brigade and 1 tank brigade from the 1st Armored Division (all coming from the coalition command reserves) and elements of the British 7th Tank Brigade from the area of Umm Qasr. The troops have a stringent requirement to regroup and, after conducting additional reconnaissance, to capture An-Nasiriya within two days.
The Iraqis have reinforced the An-Nasiriya garrison with several artillery battalions and a large number of anti-tank weapons. Additionally, the Iraqis are actively deploying landmines along the approaches to their positions.
However, currently all combat has nearly ceased due to the sand storm raging over the region. Weather forecasts anticipate the storm's end by noon of March 26. According to intercepted radio communications the coalition advance will be tied to the end of the sand storm and is planned to take place during the night of March 26-27. The coalition command believes that a night attack will allow its forces to achieve the element of surprise and to use its advantage in specialized night fighting equipment.
There have been no reports of any losses resulting from direct combat in the past 10 hours. However, there is information about two coalition combat vehicles destroyed by landmines. Three US soldiers were wounded in one of these incidents.
Positional warfare continues near Basra. The coalition forces in this area are clearly insufficient for continuing the attack and the main emphasis is being placed on artillery and aviation. The city is under constant bombardment but so far this had little impact on the combat readiness of the Iraqi units. Thus, last night an Iraqi battalion reinforced with tanks swung around the coalition positions in the area of Basra airport and attacked the coalition forces in the flanks. As the result of this attack the US forces have been thrown back 1.5-2 kilometers leaving the airport and the nearby structures in the hands of the Iraqis. Two APCs and one tank were destroyed in this encounter. According to radio intelligence at least two US soldiers were killed and no less than six US soldiers were wounded.
The coalition forces are still unable to completely capture the small town of Umm Qasr. By the end of yesterday coalition units were controlling only the strategic roads going through the town, but fierce fighting continued in the residential districts. At least two British servicemen were killed by sniper fire in Umm Qasr during the past 24 hours.
The coalition command is extremely concerned with growing resistance movement in the rear of the advancing forces. During a meeting at the coalition command headquarters it was reported that up to 20 Iraqi reconnaissance units are active behind the coalition rear. The Iraqis attack lightly armed supply units; they deploy landmines and conduct reconnaissance. Additionally, captured villages have active armed resistance that is conducting reconnaissance in the interests of the Iraqi command and is organizing attacks against coalition troops. During the past 24 hours more than 30 coalition wheeled and armored vehicles have been lost to such attacks. Some 7 coalition servicemen are missing, 3 soldiers are dead and 10 are wounded.
The coalition commander Gen. Tommy Franks ordered his forces to clear coalition rears from Iraqi diversionary units and partisans in the shortest possible time. The British side will be responsible for fulfilling these orders. A unit from the 22nd SAS regiment supported by the US 1st, 5th and 10th Special Operations Groups will carry out this operation. Each of these groups has up to 12 units numbering 12-15 troops each. All of these units have some Asian or Arabic Americans. The groups also have guides and translators from among local Iraqi collaborators, who went through rapid training at specialized centers in the Czech Republic and in the UK.
The sand storms turned out to be the main enemy of the American military equipment. Just the 3rd Motorized Infantry Division had more than 100 vehicles disabled. This is causing serious concern on the part of the coalition command. The repair crews are working around the clock to return all the disabled equipment back into service. The M1A2 Abrams tanks are not known for the their reliable engines as it is, but in the sand storm conditions multiple breakdowns became a real problem for the tank crews.
All attempts by the US paratroopers to capture the town of Kirkuk have yielded no result. The Americans counted on the support of the Kurds but the latter refused to take a direct part in the attack and demanded guarantees from the US command that it will prevent a Turkish invasion. The Turkish themselves are avoiding making any promises.
Additionally, the situation [at Kirkuk] is affected by the lack of heavy weapons on the part of the US paratroopers. The aviation support alone is clearly not sufficient. The northern group of forces commander Marine Brig. Gen. Osman has requested artillery and armored vehicles.
All indications are that so far the US is unable to form a combat-capable strike force in this area.
According to satellite reconnaissance it seems likely that the Iraqis had time to remove the captured Apache Longbow attack helicopter of the 11th Aviation Regiment. The pieces remaining at the landing site following a US bombing strike indicate that the bombs hit a crudely constructed mockup.
Aerial bombardment of Baghdad has so far failed to produce the expected results. All targets designated before the war have been hit 3 to 7 times, but this had almost no effect on the combat readiness of the Iraqi army, their air defenses or the command and control structures.
It seems that during preparation for the war the Iraqis were able to create new, well-protected communication lines and control centers. There is plenty of intelligence information indicating that so far the US electronic reconnaissance was unable to locate and to penetrate the Iraqi command's communication network, which is an indication of the network's high technological sophistication.
A particular point of concern for the US command is the huge overuse of precision-guided munitions and cruise missiles. Already the supply of heavy cruise missiles like the "Tomahawk" has been reduced by a third and, at the current rate of use, in three weeks the US will be left only with the untouchable strategic supply of these missiles. A similar situation exists with other types of precision-guided munitions. "The rate of their use is incompatible with the obtained results. We are literally dropping gold into the mud!" said Gen. Richard Mayers during a meeting in Pentagon yesterday morning. [reverse translation from Russian]
The US experts already call this war a "crisis". "It was enough for the enemy to show a little resistance and some creative thinking as our technological superiority begun to quickly lose all its meaning. Our expenses are not justified by the obtained results. The enemy is using an order of magnitude cheaper weapons to reach the same goals for which we spend billions on technological whims of the defense industry!" said Gen. Stanley McCrystal during the same Pentagon meeting. [reverse translation from Russian]
Since the early morning today the coalition high command and the Joint Chiefs of Staff are in an online conference joined by the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. This meeting immediately follows an earlier meeting last night at the White House. During the night meeting with President Bush emergency actions were outlined to resolve the standstill in Iraq. The existing course of actions is viewed as "ineffective and leading to a crisis". The Secretary of State Collin Powell warned that, if the war in Iraq continues for more than a month, it might lead to unpredictable consequences in international politics.
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Richard Mayers reported on the proposed actions and corrections to the plan of the operation in Iraq. George Bush demanded that the military breaks the standstill in Iraq and within a week achieves significant military progress. A particular attention, according to Bush, should be paid to finding and eliminating the top Iraqi political and military leadership. Bush believes that Saddam Hussein and his closest aides are the cornerstone of the Iraqi defense.
During today's online meeting at the coalition headquarters Gen. Franks was criticized for inefficient command of his troops and for his inability to concentrate available forces on the main tasks.
According to [Russian military] intelligence Pentagon made a decision to significantly reinforce the coalition. During the next two weeks up to 50,000 troops and no less than 500 tanks will arrive to the combat area from the US military bases in Germany and Albania. By the end of April 120,000 more troops and up to 1,200 additional tanks will be sent to support the war against Iraq.
A decision was made to change the way aviation is used in this war. The use of precision-guided munitions will be scaled down and these weapons will be reserved for attacking only known, confirmed targets. There will be an increase in the use of conventional high-yield aviation bombs, volume-detonation bombs and incendiary munitions. The USAF command is ordered to deliver to airbases used against Iraq a two-week supply of aviation bombs of 1-tonn caliber and higher as well as volume-detonation and incendiary bombs. This means that Washington is resorting to the "scorched earth" tactics and carpet-bombing campaign.
(source: iraqwar.ru, 03-25-03, translated by Venik)
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March 26, 2003, 1230hrs MSK (GMT +3), Moscow - As of the morning March 26 fierce battles have resumed in Iraq along the entire front. As was previously expected the sand storm has halted the advance of the coalition forces. Additionally, the coalition troops were in serious need of rest, resupply and reinforcement.
For much of the day unfavorable weather paralyzed combat activities of one of the main attack groups of the coalition - the 101st Airborne Division, which was forced to completely curtail all of its combat operations. Combat readiness of this division is of strategic importance to the entire coalition force primarily due to the fact that the division operates 290 helicopters of various types, including the 72 Apache attack helicopters. The 101st Airborne Division along with the 82nd Airborne Division and the 3rd Infantry Division (Mechanized) forms the backbone of the XVIII Airborne Corps - the main strike force of the coalition.
In essence, the 101st Airborne Division provides suppression of the enemy while simultaneously conducting aerial reconnaissance and suppression of any newly-discovered enemy forces. It maintain constant contact with the enemy and contains the enemy until the main forces arrive.
Currently the coalition's main forces are conducting combat operations along the approaches to the towns of Karabela and An-Najaf.
During the past 24 hours the coalition units in these areas sustained 4 killed and up to 10 wounded. All indications are that one coalition special operations helicopter was lost and no communication with the helicopter could be established. The faith of its crew and the troops it carried is still being investigated. Another two coalition helicopters made emergency landings in areas controlled by friendly forces. Aircraft engines were found to be extremely susceptible to the effects of sand.
As was determined by our [GRU] intelligence even before the start of combat operations, the primary goal of the coalition command was an energetic advance across the desert along the right bank of the Euphrates river, reaching the central Iraq with a further thrust toward Baghdad through Karabela. Another strategic attack was to go around Basra through An-Nasiriya toward Al-Ammara followed by a full isolation of the southern [Iraqi] forces, effectively splitting Iraq in half.
The first part of the plan - a march across the desert toward Karabela - was achieved, albeit with serious delays. The second part of the plan in essence has failed. Up to this moment the coalition troops were unable to punch through the Iraqi defenses near An-Nasiriya and to force the Iraqis toward Al-Ammara, which would have allowed the coalition to clear the way to Baghdad along the strategically important Mesopotamian river valley with Tigris and Euphrates covering the flanks of the advancing forces. So far only a few coalition units were able to get to the left bank of the Euphrates, where they are trying to widen their staging areas.
Additionally, the prolonged fighting near An-Nasiriya allowed the Iraqis to withdraw most of their forces from Basra region and to avoid being surrounded.
Currently the coalition forces are trying to get across the river near An-Najaf and Karabela, where, all indications are, heavy combat will continue during the next two days.
Harsh criticism from the top US military leadership and pressure from Washington forced the coalition command to resort to more energetic actions. In addition to that the shock of the first days of war among the coalition troops, when they expected an easy trek across Iraq but encountered stiff resistance, is now wearing off. They are now being "absorbed" into the war. Now the coalition actions are becoming more coherent and adequate. The coalition command is gradually taking the initiative away from the Iraqis, which is in part due to the reliance of the Iraqi command on inflexible defensive tactics.
Now the main tactical move of the US troops is to use their aerial and ground reconnaissance forces to test the Iraqi defenses, to open them up and, without entering direct close combat, to deliver maximum damage using artillery and ground attack aircraft. The coalition has finally stopped pointlessly moving around in convoys, as was characteristic of the first three days of the ground war.
The tactics allowed for increased combat effectiveness and considerably increased losses of the Iraqi side. Due to such attacks by the coalition during the previous night and today's early morning the Iraqis have lost 250 troops killed and up to 500 wounded. Up to 10 Iraqi tanks were destroyed and up to three Iraqi artillery batteries were suppressed.
However, despite of the increased combat effectiveness, the coalition forces have so far failed to capture a single sizable town in Iraq. Only by the end of the sixth day the British marine infantry was able to establish tentative control over the tiny town of Umm Qasr. During the hours of darkness all movement around the town is stopped and the occupying troops withdraw to defensive positions. Constant exchanges of fire take place throughout the town. Out of more than 1,500-strong local garrison the British managed to capture only 150 Iraqis. The rest has either withdrew toward Basra or changed into civilian clothes and resorted to partisan actions.
Near Basra the British forces in essence are laying a Middle Ages-style siege of a city with the population of two million. Artillery fire has destroyed most of the city's life-supporting infrastructure and artillery is used continuously against the positions of the defending units. The main goal of the British is two maintain a strict blockade of Basra. Their command is confident that the situation in the city can be destabilized and lack of food, electricity and water will prompt the local population to cause the surrender of the defending forces. Analysts point out that capture of Basra is viewed by the coalition command as being exceptionally important and as a model for the future "bloodless" takeover of Baghdad.
So far, however, this approach does not work and the city's garrison is actively defending its territory. Just during the past night at least three British soldiers were killed and eight more were wounded in the exchange of fire [near Basra].
It is difficult not to not to notice the extremely overstretched frontline of the coalition. This frontline is stretching toward Baghdad through An-Najaf and Karabela and its right flank goes all the way along the Euphrates and is completely exposed. All main supply and communication lines of the coalition are going through unprotected desert. Already the supply routes are stretching for more than 350 kilometers and are used to deliver 800 tonnes of fuel and up to 1,000 tonnes of ammunition, food and other supplies daily to the advancing forces.
If the Iraqis deliver a decisive strike at the base of this front, the coalition will find itself in a very difficult situation, with its main forces, cutoff from the resupply units, losing their combat readiness and mobility and falling an easy pray to the Iraqis.
It is possible that the Americans are relying on the power of their aviation that should prevent any such developments. It is also possible that this kind of self confidence may be very dangerous.
Massive numbers of disabled combat vehicles and other equipment becomes a strategic problem for the coalition. Already, radio intercepts indicate, all available repair units have been deployed to the front. Over 60% of all available spare parts have been already used and emergency additional supplies are being requested.
The sand is literally "eating up" the equipment. Sand has a particularly serious effect on electronics and transmissions of combat vehicles. Already more than 40 tanks and up to 69 armored personnel carriers have been disabled due to damaged engines; more than 150 armored vehicles have lost the use of their heat-seeking targeting sights and night vision equipment. Fine dust gets into all openings and clogs up all moving parts.
The coalition command has effectively acknowledged its defeat in the information war with the strikes against the television center in Baghdad and now further strikes should be expected against television and ground satellite transmitters. The coalition is attempting to leave the Iraqis without information in order to demoralize them.
The extreme length of the resupply routes and the actions of the Iraqi reconnaissance units have created a new problem: the coalition command is forced to admit that it has no information about the conditions on the roads. Currently, as intercepted radio communications show, the coalition command is trying to establish the whereabouts of more than 500 of its troops that fell behind their units, departed with resupply convoys or were carrying out individual assignments. So far it was not possible to establish how many of these troops are dead, captured or have successfully reached other units.
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Too bad --am-- that those 'battlefield' reports are nothing but a bunch of B.S.
The 'so-called' Iraqi counter-attack never left the outer city limits of Basrah where 90% of the armored vehicles were destroyed and the British remain firmly in control of the outer limits and are now pressing into the city center to root out the Iraqi irregulars.
But then I'm sure your Russian newpapers and stations are telling you guys that you're winning in Chechnya too and the people are welcoming you with open arms.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But then I'm sure your Russian newpapers and stations are telling you guys that you're winning in Chechnya too and the people are welcoming you with open arms.
Ack-Ack
What makes you so sure that your lot aren't doing exactly the same thing?
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Originally posted by -dead-
What makes you so sure that your lot aren't doing exactly the same thing?
Because we have what Russia has in name only, freedom of the press.
If we were losing the war, don't you think those reporters that are attached to the military units would report it? Did you also hear the words of the senior BBC correspondent in the Gulf region when he chastised his colleagues at the BBC for falsely claiming the Coalition was suffering high casualties and other things the BBC has misreported?
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because we have what Russia has in name only, freedom of the press.
And let me guess: you read that in a newspaper? ;)
If we were losing the war, don't you think those reporters that are attached to the military units would report it?
Nope. It would never get past the military censors. The US military learnt a lot from Vietnam - especially about dealing with reporters. Hence the "embedded" reporters this time around.
Did you also hear the words of the senior BBC correspondent in the Gulf region when he chastised his colleagues at the BBC for falsely claiming the Coalition was suffering high casualties and other things the BBC has misreported?
Oh well if it's on UK government-run TV, it must be true.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But then I'm sure your Russian newpapers and stations are telling you guys that you're winning in Chechnya too and the people are welcoming you with open arms.
Ack-Ack
At Russian guys many years fed by propagation and at them the powerful immunity has appeared. At western guys this immunity is not present. They trust all that shows TV. They are not able to distinguish propagation from the truth. They now live in USSR 70-80 years.
P.S. Any journalist which will tell against the official version US will be sent during 2 hours from a zone of the conflict. All journalists have forced to subscribe under these conditions.
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Originally posted by --am--
At Russian guys many years fed by propagation and at them the powerful immunity has appeared.
If Russians are immune to propaganda force fed to them during the Soviet years and still being force fed to them today, why is it that guys like you take the reports from Pravda and Iraqwar at face value? Don't tell me you don't because you obviously do if you posted that report from Iraqwar.ru, which is riddled with mistakes and misinformation.
ack-ack
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If you assert, that your journalists speak only truth, and I place here messages with the false information, means you are unable to distinguish the truth from propagation. You owe much studies to understand that such " a fog of war ".
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Ack-Ack as a former citizen of a free press communist wonderland I am advising you to stop arguing with -am-, he will either decide to join reality or he will stick with his old programming. Nothing you or I could ever say will ever change his mind or turn him around, and now that HTC asks for civility in O'Club one cant even get the tiny satisfaction of ridiculing and harrasaing them for their deliberate stupidity - in other words its not worth talkiing to them at all.
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Hehe ... you Russian guys crack me up.
Boy are you gonna be surprised when the war ends. :D
Oh wait ..... let me guess ....
May 1, 2003, 1730hrs MSK (GMT +3), Moscow - As the Imperialist Armies of the U.S. and their allies were on the verge of defeat, chemical, biological and nuclear arsenals were released on the populace of Iraq. Bazillions of innocent lives were massacred at the hands of blood-thirsty marines and soldiers bent on revenge. The sand runs red with the blood of martyrs.
Brave members of Saddam Fedayeen sacrificed themselves trying to save as many women and children as they could with their bayonets, hand grenades and finely crafted Russian small arms. U.S. military officials have falsely claimed that they were not part of the massacres and, with obviously scripted acting, tearfully say that if thay had only gotten there sooner they could have saved the lives of countless innocents.
Our government has lodged an official protest with the U.N. and we are currently mobilizing in Chechnya to destroy U.S. and British elements known to be lurking there.
Iraq is off limits to travel. It is strongly recommended by the government that any propoganda from outside sources be disregarded since it would only serve to upset the people.
:rolleyes:
Try some of this .... then come back and resume as usual since it won't really make any difference. You're "immune" to propoganda bs.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749_asp.htm
;)
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
start by accepting the fact that your country (and all others) don't tell you the whole truth.
adn your country does ???
LOL
you are very funny
http://www.irna.com/en/world/030326195903.ewo.shtml
did you find anything like this in your news ??
Did you hear about " The Iraqi official dismissed the probability....."
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hehe ... you Russian guys crack me up.
Boy are you gonna be surprised when the war ends. :D
Oh wait ..... let me guess ....
;)
Hehe.. When you will destroy Saddam, of Iran will destroy your armies and Saudi Arabia will grasp. There is such concept - balance. The Americans and Englishmen have broken it. You are waited by long wars and total mobilization in army.
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R*O*F*L
That didn't take long.
Like I said .. you Russian guys crack me up. :D
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LOL
I hope, that your laughter will be audible well, when you to lay in a gas mask under mines and shells in sand.
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We were just planning a gasmask, mine, shell and sand cookout this weekend. I think we'll add "Pravda readings" to the itinerary. This is shaping up to be a fun and funny party. You should come.
We have all sorts of neat things to do here. You can go to stores all hours of the night and day. Many lines ... way shorter. No waiting. And coupons galore! Heck ... there's radio stations that give away free propoganda music cds of every imaginable taste every single weekend at your choice of car dealership, fast food restaurant or supermarket. (I think you'll dig malls)
And if you feel like ranting about evil America while you're here ... join one of the protest groups that form from time to time. It's allowed. Even for visiting foreigners.
You may even be invited to a Hollywood get together if you rub the right elbows and play your cards right.
How long does it take for the red tape to be cut to get your passport and visa?
Let me know when you're coming. Who knows ... you may have so much fun protesting and arguing and proving how evil this place is and how much Americans are deluded and the government is bent on taking over the Iraqi desert and Russian Siberia that you'll cash in your return ticket and apply for citizenship. :D
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To go in America now it all the same that to the Jew to go in Germany in 1938. There average inhabitant too considered, that lives in the democratic country, and Lenni Rifenstall shooting magnificent documentary films. I hope you remember than it was finished?
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What did I tell you guys? Behold the wonders of communism!!!
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Whoa .... that's pretty hard. It'd probably be easier for us all to have the party there, then, huh? I mean .. we could just all go over there, hang out at your place ... play any ol' music we want, watch any ol' movie on your DVD player we want. Maybe go down to Odessa and play the slots (dual meaning there).
But we really need to organize a protest and make noise up and down Red Square. We can wear gas masks and laugh while we bury each other up to our necks at the clam bake. Gorge ourselves on some fast food if that ain't enough.
Maybe we'll rent a sportscar and go cruising for chicks. I've seen some pics of those Russian chicks ... hot.
Don't forget the protesting part, though. I want a big sign that says "Blood Rubles bought Chechnyan beachfront property" or maybe "Better Red than a Dead Person Killed by our military"
No ... too long.
How about ...
"Afganistan! If the U.S. could, why couldn't WE?!"
Originally posted by --am--
To go in America now it all the same that to the Jew to go in Germany in 1938. There average inhabitant too considered, that lives in the democratic country, and Lenni Rifenstall shooting magnificent documentary films. I hope you remember than it was finished?
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Remember as one minister of a defense USA has jumped out of a window? What he shouted?
It not communism. It pragmatism. What for to leave from Russia to get in a bad copy USSR?
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I have no idea what you just said.
Is that a "go"? Your place? You provide the clams and signs?
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Originally posted by Arlo
I have no idea what you just said.
Is that a "go"? Your place? You provide the clams and signs?
"GO" in the given context it:
Immigration, green card, bad food, there are no friends, it is a lot of work for small money. It it is too much to have an opportunity to go with the poster, but you to ignore. As the God on the party large batallion" spoke Napleone ". At you " the God on the party of the large corporations "
P.S. I know that you will answer: It communismus propagation. HeHe. Really - at you the boring country, boring people, which is ready to kill the whole people for the sake of the high level of life.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I HATE Babel Fish!
No this is Borodabel Fish....
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So much for civility