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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on March 26, 2003, 01:16:08 PM
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I had something happen last night I don't ever recall in 10 yrs of flying online simm's...is this common??
I upped from a carrier to recon enemy counters near port on DAR (forget exactly where)...located enemy carrier near port with 3-4 cons upping...called out contact (text) to other pilot up and moved in. Engaged lead plane (happened to be TBM)...he actually wanted to go some ACM (was pretty good to)...went a few rounds to bleed him out and saddled up about 150 out only to have other "team member" zoom in and pop him...OK...so I reorient my SA and also notice this guy has zoomed back on the perch and behind me 4-5k. Start to crcle to gain alt and SA...notice 3-4 cons inbound plus lower contact coming to jabo...dive on him and get expected break up and in (pony)...force him to evade couple times and stall him out...again 250-300 out and in comes my "buddy" again to pop the guy...leaving the other conshe could of engaged alone...go on text buffer to ask what is up and get waxed...not even a 6 call.
Anyway MOG is the individual in question...to me this is exactly the guy I'd like to see on the other side...no place for him on mine.
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Originally posted by humble
I had something happen last night I don't ever recall in 10 yrs of flying online simm's...is this common??
More than common, it's the norm in the MA. There are some who will ask if you need help or that will just cover your 6 while you fight...not too many in the MA but they are there.
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In a larger furball with alot of #'s it's fine (really unavoidable)...and having multiple guys engage the same target is common. But having someone intentionally cherry pick under the circumstances above is something I've never really noticed before. If killshooter wasn't on I'd of hosed him myself.
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I have had guys take advantage of my flying in that way once or twice. I have often seen guys ignore the dangerous enemy and try to kill the one I was finishing off. But not a pattern like what you saw where he perches up and waits for you to set up another one for him.
lame.
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Originally posted by humble
I had something happen last night I don't ever recall in 10 yrs of flying online simm's...is this common??
I upped from a carrier to recon enemy counters near port on DAR (forget exactly where)...located enemy carrier near port with 3-4 cons upping...called out contact (text) to other pilot up and moved in. Engaged lead plane (happened to be TBM)...he actually wanted to go some ACM (was pretty good to)...went a few rounds to bleed him out and saddled up about 150 out only to have other "team member" zoom in and pop him...OK...so I reorient my SA and also notice this guy has zoomed back on the perch and behind me 4-5k. Start to crcle to gain alt and SA...notice 3-4 cons inbound plus lower contact coming to jabo...dive on him and get expected break up and in (pony)...force him to evade couple times and stall him out...again 250-300 out and in comes my "buddy" again to pop the guy...leaving the other conshe could of engaged alone...go on text buffer to ask what is up and get waxed...not even a 6 call.
Anyway MOG is the individual in question...to me this is exactly the guy I'd like to see on the other side...no place for him on mine.
Sounds like classic Loose Deuce from Shaw's book. Arenas are a team sport. If you want 1v1, hit the Dueling Arena or check out Exile's ladder.
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Only people that you can count on giving you 6's would squaddies or just a wingman.
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funkedup...
lose duece is a coordinated tactic between wingies...in a lose duece the wing would not role in on a saddled up lead...he would wait for the lead to take the shot..the lead would role out if the target evades and cover the wingie as he engages. There is a world of difference....certainly this isnt a big deal, but it was lame enough to warrant a bit of publicity...least to me. I simply went somewhere else.
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There are 2 solutions:
1) Kill faster
2) Fly alone
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Sounds like he'd make a good wingie. As long as he learns to give 6 calls and you trade places every kill or 2 it'd be great. Otherwise I'd go fly somewhere else or reup and do the same thing to him.
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Even better is when they cut in front of you just as you open fire, not only stealing the kill, but killshooting you. Happened to me the other day. Unfortunately, I didn't get his license plate number.
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Killstealers ... hate'em too.
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Originally posted by wetrat
There are 2 solutions:
1) Kill faster
2) Fly alone
3rd solution - fly Rooks. We've been down for so long that the "steal a kill" flyboys were weeded out 6 months ago. Being consistently outnumbered 2:1 means that cooperation is the only means of survival for us.
And the cheap Tiger tanks and F4U-1Cs are a bonus.
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Obviously the guy has some talent...it's not easy to time that type of attack that well...so he's in practice. All in all I think gofaster had the best solution...rooks here I come. I happened to be assigned to the Bisquits when I reupped so I've stayed...originally I flew knights since they were always the smallest segment...I'd figured I'd bounce a bit anyway...don't think I've ever been a rook:)
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Originally posted by GScholz
Killstealers ... hate'em too.
The best are the ones who pounce on a tail-less (or wingless) plane like a chiuhaua on a chair leg lol.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
The best are the ones who pounce on a tail-less (or wingless) plane like a chiuhaua on a chair leg lol.
-Sik
Damn, now I need a paper towel to wipe the monitor off :D
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Humble--
I've seen that sort of thing happen on rare occasions. It is not common, and certainly isn't the "norm". The best solution I've found is to refuse to engage until the "friendly" decides to fight or he leaves the area.
You can also try to steal HIS kills...this never fails to get them angry (their hypocracy always makes me laugh) and will often motivate the lamer to switch countries.
Fortunately, it IS rare for this sort of thing to happen.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by humble
...intentionally cherry pick under the circumstances above is something I've never really noticed before. If killshooter wasn't on I'd of hosed him myself.
Exactly... If i had a nickel for everytime i thought that... it would pay my AH bill for sure.
:mad:
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Just wait till some low life dives in and then urgently check-sixs ya to clear you out of his shot. I,ve had it happen more then once.
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Make it work both ways. If you find yourself being used as bait
from time to time, dont feel bad about using others for bait,
from time to time. It all works out in the wash, its just the
egos that get hammered. How many times have I bled a
La7 e down to a low level turn fight where I can beat him,
only to have a fellow country man zoom in and toast the sucker.
thats ok, its legit, and usually, the guys who cries the
loudest about kill thieves also cry the loudest about,
'How come u didnt help!!!'
I made the mistake of staying out of a fight, because I knew
the 2 guys were both awesome killers and didnt want to
ruin the fight. Of course, when my friend called for help, I had
givien up my position and was unable to help. he died and
publicy embarrassed me on my country channel.
from then on, I kill em when i can, and point the complainers to
the DA if they want private fights.
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Originally posted by Kick
Just wait till some low life dives in and then urgently check-sixs ya to clear you out of his shot. I,ve had it happen more then once.
The flip side of this of course is that these are usually the people who don't react to a 6 call when they really need to - because they think you're trying to steal their kill. :)
palef
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Well I'd go about it differently Humble..
I'd hang about till you killed his soggy butt..
Then shoot him while hangin in his chute..
But that's just me.
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Humble, if you have the kill, all you have to do is say on voice, "He's down." No body's trying to steal your kill on purpose.
Sounds to me like you were dragging and your buddy was bagging. And there's nothing wrong with that. You guys oughta be best friends and help each other out. Next time you'll get the kills. It all balances out in the end.
Just seems like it would be easier to let it slide and not even worry about it.
Les
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I blew the wing off of a B-17 a while ago and RaUmL shot it up on it's way down to get the kill.
It isn't very often that I see a name I know KSing. KSers are the lowest form of player there is.
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Wierdest one I've had lately was seeing another Nit chasing a Bish, but he had a 2nd bish closing on him, I was D4 out, Chk'd 6 him, and he replies on vox "Don't c6 me, just kill stunninghunk".
Of course I thought, oh ok, immediately pulled up and waited for the bish to finish him off :)
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Vulcan that happened to me last month too. Wonder if its the same guy, he died in that case as well too, seems my trigger was stuck for a few seconds, oops.
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There are offcause such types in the game, and everywhere else.
But overall I find the majority of players great guys.
However we tend to let a few "unsporty" pilots really Pi** us off.
Better to focus on the positive things, than waste to much time
on those jerks. It's probably the only way they can get a kill.
And you both know who really got the victory.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Humble, if you have the kill, all you have to do is say on voice, "He's down." No body's trying to steal your kill on purpose.
Sounds to me like you were dragging and your buddy was bagging. And there's nothing wrong with that. You guys oughta be best friends and help each other out. Next time you'll get the kills. It all balances out in the end.
Just seems like it would be easier to let it slide and not even worry about it.
Les
Leslie
Wasn't a "buddy" thing at all...just two guys flying on same side...now it could of worked out well for both of us. With a carrier upping multiple cons...mostly JABO...we both could of scored well. He simply hung back and let me engage and then bounced the con as I set him up...an earlier post mentioned I should killed faster...Iwas trying to conserve E and SA (and my plane) while stopping attacks on port.
What ended up is me left at low alt and reduced E while he zoomed back and to rear to use me as bait. I moved on and changed sides and am fine. Had an 8 kill, 7 kill, 5 kill (x2) + someothers yesterday...obviously was cannonfodder a few times :).
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Bunch of interesting comments...this was 1st time it ever got to me. Again only because it was so obvious and so unneeded. Was a perfect setup for working togeather...anyway if you fly with this guy your at least forwarned :)
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Originally posted by humble
I had something happen last night I don't ever recall in 10 yrs of flying online simm's...is this common??
I upped from a carrier to recon enemy counters near port on DAR (forget exactly where)...located enemy carrier near port with 3-4 cons upping...called out contact (text) to other pilot up and moved in. Engaged lead plane (happened to be TBM)...he actually wanted to go some ACM (was pretty good to)...went a few rounds to bleed him out and saddled up about 150 out only to have other "team member" zoom in and pop him...OK...so I reorient my SA and also notice this guy has zoomed back on the perch and behind me 4-5k. Start to crcle to gain alt and SA...notice 3-4 cons inbound plus lower contact coming to jabo...dive on him and get expected break up and in (pony)...force him to evade couple times and stall him out...again 250-300 out and in comes my "buddy" again to pop the guy...leaving the other conshe could of engaged alone...go on text buffer to ask what is up and get waxed...not even a 6 call.
Anyway MOG is the individual in question...to me this is exactly the guy I'd like to see on the other side...no place for him on mine.
Classic nancyboy MA stuff here... nothing new.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I kill em when i can, and point the complainers to
the DA if they want private fights.
I concur... I ccould care less about my personal scores or stats, I'm a TEAM player... If you see an enemy near me, feel free to come and kill him, I'll save my ammo for something else.
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Well Humble, if it makes you feel better, I did kill him last night :D
...and later collided with him too, but that's another story...