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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Tony Williams on March 27, 2003, 02:51:05 PM
I have posted an article describing the various airborne anti-tank guns and their performance on my website at: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm

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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: devious on March 27, 2003, 03:11:08 PM
WTG yet again.
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: brady on March 27, 2003, 03:12:23 PM
TY Sir:)
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Urchin on March 27, 2003, 04:22:47 PM
The Hispano is in there, right?
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: BGBMAW on March 27, 2003, 06:02:55 PM
I like Tony Williams..


and i ordered my book...WHERE IS IT!!!!!..lol i know they arent out yet..i guess:(

Salute BiGB
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: BGBMAW on March 27, 2003, 06:11:37 PM
read a few artciles about DU rounds and there poisining of the area...dam..Iraq-Saudi and Kuwait are probably covered with uranium dust...they fired dam near 1 million rounds of just 30 mil caliber alone!!!

This book was claiming all the "Desert Storm Syndrome" was from DU rounds.

1) there is no bettr/stinger metal to use then DU?

2) no cheaper metal then DU to use?

3) Great way to get rid of DU?  other then just burying it?

4) Do armores wear any prtection while loading these rounds? or is is safe when in a solid form?
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: g00b on March 27, 2003, 06:20:55 PM
So you're saying my Yak9-T's NS-37 is more powerfull than the GAU-8/A.  :eek:

Hmmm, seems maybe I should be able to deal swift death to Tigers even?
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Furball on March 27, 2003, 09:51:47 PM
When it says rocket firing attack planes weren't successful in destroying tanks. How come typhoons of the 2nd TAF killed 135 or so in one day - August 1944?

as always tho, interesting read! :D
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Tony Williams on March 27, 2003, 11:58:23 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
When it says rocket firing attack planes weren't successful in destroying tanks. How come typhoons of the 2nd TAF killed 135 or so in one day - August 1944?


This is dealt with in detail in 'Flying Guns'. For a whole raft of reasons, both RAF and USAAF ground-attack planes overclaimed by at least ten times. British Operational Research teams descended on the battlefields immediately afterwards and examined each tank to see what knocked it out. Very few were hit by aircraft weapons. The official estimated of the hit probability of the RPs fired by Typhoons against tank-sized targets was 0.5%, i.e. one in 200. Even under ideal conditions in training, they couldn't do better than 5%.

'Flying Guns: WW2' was on its way to distributors when the publishers went into receivership. I know that some got out and are on sale, but I don't know if any got across the Atlantic. Please let me know if you find one!

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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Tony Williams on March 28, 2003, 12:04:03 AM
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
read a few artciles about DU rounds and there poisining of the area...


There is a lot of misinformation about DU. In its solid form, it emits hardly any radiation and what there is can be stopped by anything (even a coat of paint), so the DU cores within their containing shells are harmless.

When it hits armour plate, DU burns. The dust which results is potentially harmful if ingested or inhaled, because it is a poisonous heavy metal, like mercury or lead, so it can cause serious illness (just as mercury and lead can).

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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Rasker on March 28, 2003, 02:07:23 PM
I came across a web page last night talking about one of the Ju88's successors (188,288,388,488) with a version mounting a huge 100mm plus gun called "Munchausen".  I havent been able to find that page again.  Has anyone else heard of this or know anything about it?
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Tony Williams on March 28, 2003, 02:51:47 PM
There was the 365mm calibre G 104 RCL, intended to be slung underneath a Ju 288 and to be fired in a dive, presumably against capital ships.

Ground testing showed that the plane wouldn't survive the blast.

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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Tony Williams on April 10, 2003, 09:12:37 PM
I have now updated the article to include more analysis of the aircraft.

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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: vorticon on April 10, 2003, 09:25:06 PM
anything in there about the stuka variant with a modified 37mm flak gun hooked onto the wings...
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Tony Williams on April 11, 2003, 01:26:54 AM
Of course...see: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm

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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Suave on April 11, 2003, 05:18:52 AM
It would be nice if the Yak9T and the ostwind in AH had the option to carry AP rounds .
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Staga on April 11, 2003, 06:24:33 AM
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Originally posted by Tony Williams
'Flying Guns: WW2' was on its way to distributors when the publishers went into receivership. I know that some got out and are on sale, but I don't know if any got across the Atlantic. Please let me know if you find one!


Well I got my copy (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/flying_guns_rapid_fire.jpg) thought I did order it straight from the GB :)

Oh btw I'd like to see more graphs about penetration, trajectory etc. Maybe in next edition :)
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: gatt on April 11, 2003, 07:13:24 AM
Tony, got the book two weeks ago in Milan. You must have friends here in Italy. The book was not even available at Amazon UK :)

BTW, in your book you write that Hurricanes IID performed quite well against tanks in North Africa.
However, from what I've read I remember that actually, despite the claims, they knocked out light tanks, armoured cars and trucks and very few medium and heavy tanks.

Can you tell me something more about it? Many thanks and keep up the good work :)
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: gatt on April 11, 2003, 07:31:35 AM
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Originally posted by Furball
When it says rocket firing attack planes weren't successful in destroying tanks. How come typhoons of the 2nd TAF killed 135 or so in one day - August 1944?


LOL :D You should read something more than Squadron's reports ;)
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: caereth on April 11, 2003, 07:36:27 AM
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Amended 11 April 3002


cool, it is amended in the future :-)
Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: Tony Williams on April 11, 2003, 02:39:46 PM
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Originally posted by gatt
BTW, in your book you write that Hurricanes IID performed quite well against tanks in North Africa.
However, from what I've read I remember that actually, despite the claims, they knocked out light tanks, armoured cars and trucks and very few medium and heavy tanks.

Can you tell me something more about it? Many thanks and keep up the good work :)


They certainly couldn't deal with the Tiger tank, but could penetrate a Pz IV from the side or rear.  I have seen a photo of a Pz IV with a long 75mm barrel - with an S-gun hole drilled through the barrel from side to side!

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Title: Tankbusters: Airborne Anti-tank Guns
Post by: BGBMAW on April 12, 2003, 04:23:37 PM
dam..wheres my book!!..frikn Amazon ...is it it comn?