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Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Cherlie on March 28, 2003, 11:40:09 PM: Jsut bought a business that will give me alot a month in 2 years time.

One of my goals in real life is to own and fly my own Spit and Stang.

What pilots liscense do I need? How high cna I fly the plane?

figure I will be able to buy both of them in 10 years.

Thanks
CB
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: ramzey on March 28, 2003, 11:47:09 PM: http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/

remember who give u link:)
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Kanth on March 28, 2003, 11:47:42 PM: http://download.consumptionjunction.com/multimedia/cj_13965.wmv
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Toad on March 28, 2003, 11:50:37 PM: Don't know what tickets you'd need in Australia... but congrats!

Spit has a small cockpit. Start eating lite. ;)
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on March 29, 2003, 04:06:36 AM: I bet the price is cheap compared to stalling and maintenance.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: lord dolf vader on March 29, 2003, 07:24:42 AM: at that level you build a hanger and train a mechanic. or hire a bad boy at low price with bad bellybutton perks.

different world.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Rasker on March 30, 2003, 01:26:22 AM: One of my goals in real life is to own and fly my own Spit and Stang.

What pilots license do I need? How high can I fly the plane?

From my recollection, you would need the regular private pilots license, plus endorsements for tail-draggers, and for complex aircraft (retractable gear and/or more than 200 horsepower). I believe flight above 18,000 feet, or in any non-visual flight rules conditions, requires an instrument rating as well. I question whether you might be able get the more restricted "recreational" pilots license and still get the extra endorsements to fly these high powered craft.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Rasker on March 30, 2003, 01:36:06 AM: looking at the updated Supermarine brings to mind those midget sporting aircraft that exceed 300 mph with smallish engines. Perhaps a Thunder-mustang (http://www.thundermustang.com/)
might provide a similar experience at much less cost.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: vorticon on March 30, 2003, 09:21:03 AM: rasker you cant add any extra endorsments onto a recreational liscence...
Title: P-51 AND a Spitfire, eh?
Post by: Golfer on March 30, 2003, 09:16:00 PM: How about a donation to the "Golfer trying to afford a Grumman Yankee" Fund.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: udet on March 30, 2003, 09:19:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ramzey
http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/

remember who give u link:)

doesn't look right. Nose seems too long. :p
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: X2Lee on March 30, 2003, 09:26:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by vorticon
rasker you cant add any extra endorsments onto a recreational liscence...

You can add whatever endorsements you qualify for on your license.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Frodo on March 30, 2003, 10:46:02 PM: Kanth nice clip.Worthy of a Darwin award. :D

Frodo
Title: Re: WW2 planes
Post by: -tronski- on March 30, 2003, 10:56:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Cherlie
Jsut bought a business that will give me alot a month in 2 years time.

One of my goals in real life is to own and fly my own Spit and Stang.

What pilots liscense do I need? How high cna I fly the plane?

figure I will be able to buy both of them in 10 years.

Thanks
CB

lol, can I come work for you

Tronsky
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Ike 2K# on March 30, 2003, 11:10:11 PM: can spits and stangs be reconstructed by making it all made out of compostites and add it with electronic fuel-injection systems on the engines so that you save more fuel?
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: davidpt40 on March 30, 2003, 11:12:25 PM: Find a safer hobby. While relatively safe, single engine planes still crash alot.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Ike 2K# on March 30, 2003, 11:18:10 PM: damn the engine specs for a spit in supermarineaircraft.com is so dangerously low and the max speed is only 200mph:(
Title: David...
Post by: Golfer on March 30, 2003, 11:27:01 PM: Read "why" they crash. Its generally not due to mechanical failure (rare itself) of any of the components the aircraft needs to fly. Properly maintained engines dont just decide to stop running. Lycoming had some troubles with crankshafts (expen$ive fixes in some cases).

Most accidents (Federal definition of an accident meaning greater than $25,000 damage) happen because pilots simply run out of fuel. The idiot factor in this is simply mind boggling. Prior to each flight if you simply look in the fuel tanks you will see whether or not you're topped off. If you're not an idiot, this wont happen. So the argument goes if this happens to a CFI...If this happened to a CFI i know i sure wouldnt do my BFR with them or work toward any additional ratings with someone (should they even still have their ticket)

Another HUGE factor in general aviation accidents is continued flight into adverse weather. That means a non instrument rated pilot flying into IMC doesn't know what to do and simply flys into the ground. Some of these are genuine accidents and have seen a front encircle several airplanes within 15 miles of an airport, though all aircraft were granted Special VFR clearance and landed prior to the conditions being anywhere near minimums (which they were at not 20 minutes later)

Read some stuff written by Richard L. Collins. You'll find his material in Flying magazine, as well as the Air Facts series and many many many other sources. He often goes into great detail analyzing why airplanes crash and the trends that happen. I assume he's interested in this because he owns one of the if not the worst planes out there as far as fatal crashes per flight hour, a Cessna P-210. Aviation is safe, as with anything there are your fair share of idiots and identifying and addressing certain attitudes will keep you safe and secure. I remember one article written by Collins, addressing 210 pilots and fuel exhaustion/starvation and he said he'd put a 20 or $25,000 deductible on incidents related to running out of fuel. Staying safe is as simple as following the rules, unscrewing your fuel cap and peeking to make sure the lineman filled your tanks to the proper mark (When i worked the flight line i'd always confirm which "tabs" the pilot wanted the fuel level to because that can be up to a 30 gallon difference in some aircraft), and finally not flying where you shouldnt go.
Title: aww, muffins.
Post by: Golfer on March 30, 2003, 11:35:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ike 2K#
damn the engine specs for a spit in supermarineaircraft.com is so dangerously low and the max speed is only 200mph:(

you wanted your homebuilt kitplane with a 200hp engine to do 350? I've never been much of a fan of Jabiru engines, i'll take a lycoming any day.

Hope that was sarcastic Ike, if not take a look at a
Mooney M20J 201. Nice, expensive, and fast. Though it wont do 500 in a power dive.
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: Kanth on March 30, 2003, 11:52:02 PM: it iz, and a huge reminder to "BE CAREFUL" and get the proper training.

:)

Quote
Originally posted by Frodo
Kanth nice clip.Worthy of a Darwin award. :D

Frodo
Title: WW2 planes
Post by: davidpt40 on March 31, 2003, 01:36:10 AM: Quote
Read "why" they crash. Its generally not due to mechanical failure (rare itself) of any of the components the aircraft needs to fly. Properly maintained engines dont just decide to stop running. Lycoming had some troubles with crankshafts (expen$ive fixes in some cases).

My dad spent hundreds of hours searching for and examining crash sites while in the Civil Air Patrol in the 50s and 60s. Pilot error accounted for most of the crashes.

The author of this post wants to buy a P51 or a Spitfire. Thats a dangerous hobby. Even if every single piece of equipment was working, just the speed at which a person needs to make decisions can cause a crash.

So yeah, flying a small aircraft is a 'relatively' safe hobby. But so is skydiving, swimming with sharks, and picking fights at a gay bar.