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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: anonymous on March 29, 2003, 05:42:10 AM
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check out this story http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030328/ap_wo_en_ge/na_gen_us_professor_mogadishu_2
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Originally posted by anonymous
check out this story http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030328/ap_wo_en_ge/na_gen_us_professor_mogadishu_2
That professor is lucky he lives in a country that allows him to express his opinions and act like an *******.
Ack-Ack
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LOL he's lucky he doesn't live near me.
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dude is going to wake up with a horse head in his bed
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(http://www.sinfest.net/comics/sf20030329.gif)
yep...
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Now I wish I applied to Columbia... :mad:
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This professor has a first amendment right to free speech, so those of us who disagree with him have to keep our mouths shut.
ra
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Tell this Jack off what you think!! Here's his e-mail, and that of the administration.
npd18@columbia.edu (The Schmuck)
jrc5@columbia.edu (The Schmucks Provost)
Dear Professor-
I recently read an article concerning the statements you made at the Newsday Teach-in regarding our Military Forces in Iraq. Though I repect your right to speak your mind, I feel your comments were inflammatory, and inappropriate.
Rest assured, I will be excercising my freedom of expression, by making certain my daughter does NOT attend Columbia next year. I would prefer her get a good education in a different institution without the influence of your disgusting rhetoric.
Remember, professor, the only reason you have the right to speak your mind is because men and women fought for you to have it. I think intellectuals like you, in your ivory towers need to remember that.
You are an insult to active duty, and retired military service men and women the world over.
Please be assured, I will be sending this correspondance to the administration of your institution.
With great disdain,
Joseph L. Pizzo
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Mogadishu, thats where a handfull of special forces killed about a thousand somollies.
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Originally posted by john9001
Mogadishu, thats where a handfull of special forces killed about a thousand somollies.
we had a pretty high K/D ratio there, and i think it was recent enough not to forget the mistakes made (ie aromor support)
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Never. :)
Originally posted by ra
This professor has a first amendment right to free speech, so those of us who disagree with him have to keep our mouths shut.
ra
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This is another example of the exercise of free speech by one who is ill equiped to use it in a wise manner. He can say those things in a public forum, ie. a gathering of people, but he should be prepared for the backlash of his ill intentioned remarks. The really sad thing is his ability to be in the educational process which gives him an "air" of legitimacy to his students who have not been taught to think for themselves.
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I will be out of the office until March 22, 2003.
Your mail will be read and answered when I return.
Best,
Jonathan R. Cole
Hummm.... I recieved this upon writing this indiv.
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Actually its free speech that allows this type of stupidity to see the light of day. It can then be properly "smacked down" for the bs that it is.
I am not to concerned about some one saying such degenerate bs. I am a bit surprised that any one could believe that. Werent like 3000 somalis killed for 18 us?
The US surely wasnt beaten they just pulled out and I cant think anyone can doudt that even with that light force they could have killed thousands more.
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one of the beautiful things about free speach is it allows the a-holes to identify themselves for you
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Originally posted by ra
This professor has a first amendment right to free speech, so those of us who disagree with him have to keep our mouths shut.
ra
No we don't have to keep our mouths shut. We also have the right to disagree with his views, just as he has the right to disagree to ours. And the fact doesn't change that this professor is an obvious bellybutton that he advocates the slaughter of troops of his own nation.
Ack-Ack
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History professor Eric Foner, who helped organize the teach-in and spoke after De Genova, said Friday, "I disagreed strongly and I said so. If I had known what he was going to say I would have been reluctant to have him speak."
I wonder why this wasn't noted. I mean one idiot shoots off his mouth and its headlines... 24 others were much more reasonable and there is silence.
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My letter to the schmuck and his provost, not too mention I forwarded this to quite a few of my friends.
Dear Professor,
Having recently been made aware of the statements made by yourself during the Teach-In, I was appalled. Your right to free speech is guaranteed by this countries constitution, and I respect that, but I do not respect a man of your stature calling for the deaths of 18 million Americans.
Your rights you so whimsically use, were paid for in blood by the vary services you so hope to discredit. I further find your attitude and demeanor, whether official or not, to be a black mark on the face of Columbia University. This correspondence is being forwarded to the provost who I believe has forethought to be in the process of reviewing your tenure.
Your actions disgust me,
Derek J. Green
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Originally posted by Bodhi
My letter to the schmuck and his provost, not too mention I forwarded this to quite a few of my friends.
Dear Professor,
Having recently been made aware of the statements made by yourself during the Teach-In, I was appalled. Your right to free speech is guaranteed by this countries constitution, and I respect that, but I do not respect a man of your stature calling for the deaths of 18 million Americans.
Your rights you so whimsically use, were paid for in blood by the vary services you so hope to discredit. I further find your attitude and demeanor, whether official or not, to be a black mark on the face of Columbia University. This correspondence is being forwarded to the provost who I believe has forethought to be in the process of reviewing your tenure.
Your actions disgust me,
Derek J. Green
Excellent, Bodhi!
Well thought out, and well written. This is the kind of e-mails we need to send to be taken seriously.
This man can have all the free speech he wants, but I'm not paying for it by sending my daughter to Columbia. (She's 3...its not a problem anyway, but they don't need to know that.)
He can say whatever he wants, but he better be ready for the backlash.
WTG Guys!
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sent....to both guys....
what a dirtbag..wheres the Bulldozer at?
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lolo i couldnt help my self...
I told him on a reply message to Protest near a Bulldozer please
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After 80,000 Mogadishus Iraq will be out of citizens. I guess the Professor is enorsing genocide.
-Sik
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I sent one as well.
As for mogadishu, I have a friend that was there. Since I was SF as well, we trade war stories often. One of the major reasons he gives for the absolute fubar that occured, was the chicken toejam UN support wouldn't enter the fire zone to conduct a rescue. Nor would they let the US use their armored vehicles.
According to him, some of the vehicles had to be convinced to move at gunpoint.
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Originally posted by ra
This professor has a first amendment right to free speech, so those of us who disagree with him have to keep our mouths shut.
ra
I wouldn't say a word when I punched him in the nose.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Nor would they let the US use their armored vehicles.
You're right that the UN protection force had to be 'convinced' to send out a rescue team but the failure not to allow Task Force Dagger to use armored vehicles lies square on the shoulders of then Secretary of Defense Lee Aspin when he vetoed the idea, saying it was 'too much of a provocation'. That's why he was forced to resign soon after.
Ack-Ack
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Anyone know how to program a bot that generates random insulting letters and mails em to this dirtbag? :)
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Is he dead yet?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You're right that the UN protection force had to be 'convinced' to send out a rescue team but the failure not to allow Task Force Dagger to use armored vehicles lies square on the shoulders of then Secretary of Defense Lee Aspin when he vetoed the idea, saying it was 'too much of a provocation'. That's why he was forced to resign soon after.
Ack-Ack
I was referring to the vehicles of the rescue operation, not the initial assault.
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Ra was being sarcastic. :)
MT plese answer in all honesty, would you be so calm if that speaker had openly called for the violent death of all Nigggers instead of 18 million soldiers or that the only real heros were people who kept blacks down and opressed or who killed civil rights leaders and the only repremend he recieved was somebody saying he disagreed with the intensity of what he said.
How are this mans comments any different than any of the KKK who have the said the exact same thing before in a different context - oh yea he has liberals making exuse for him, he has tenure, and he gets to say these things at a collge campus without gettibg booed or protested. And lets all remember how nasty liberal college students can get when conservative speakers are invited to talk on campus. Their behavior is sickening.
BTW If he had asked for the death of all Nigggers would this man still have a job?
Sorry to frame it so harshly but its the only way I think I can convey my outrage through to you.
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LMFAo..Raub when u get it..forward me a copy...I got a few who fit that list of"never check 6"..
lolo
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Yikes Grun!
Sorry to disappoint you, but I thought the professor's speech was stupid. He is an idiot. Who said I was calm? I was commenting on the biased nature of the report, not the words of this degenerate Columbia teacher... get a grip son!
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I just think you would have been much more upset than you are now, and I doubt you would except any exuse for the event.
I'm just very surprised what people on college campuses have tolerance for, you know the guy would have been fired or forced to resign withinn 10 seconds if he said the same thing about blacks or women - but when its American soldiers its all fine. Crap he even called all supporters of the war white supremacists, he was allready covering his bellybutton there by pandering to the race crowd.
Just find it shocking MT.
Why do so many of the liberals have such a double standard? Can you explain?
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Email sent. Columbia will fire this guy, Ill bet on it.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Email sent. Columbia will fire this guy, Ill bet on it.
I expect that they will censor him and if he hasn't been tenured already, won't offer him tenure. Firing him for his comments opens up a can of worms because it will violate his 1st Amendment rights and he will win his multi-million dollar lawsuit for violating his civil rights and unlawful termination.
Ack-Ack
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New York Post
March 31, 2003 --
The Columbia University professor who said he hopes the U.S. military suffers "a million Mogadishus" is getting bashed by university alumni and big-name donors.
Anthropology and Latino-studies assistant professor Nicholas De Genova stayed out of sight yesterday as his anti-troops rhetoric generated a backlash.
De Genova, 35, said last week at a Columbia "teach-in" on the Iraq war: "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military. I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus."
That remark and ones by other professors led university alumnus Dr. Stephen Rittenberg, Class of 1957, to write the Columbia Spectator student newspaper Web site.
"The infantile narcissism of the anti-war profs is sickening," Rittenberg wrote. "Once upon a time, Columbia professors thought it was their duty to teach critical thinking rather than to indoctrinate in anti-Americanism."
Columbia's president, Lee Bollinger, issued a statement that went beyond the Ivy League school's initially tepid comment that De Genova's views were not those of Columbia.
"I am shocked that someone would make such statements," Bollinger said. "Because of the university's tradition of academic freedom, I normally don't comment about statements made by faculty members. However, this one crosses the line and I really feel the need to say something. I am especially saddened for the families of those whose lives are at risk."
LeRoy Neiman, the renowned artist who donated $6 million to Columbia in the mid-1990s, is against the war in Iraq, but also thinks De Genova went too far.
"It's a free country. He can say what he want [but] I don't agree with that," Neiman told The Post.
Phyllis Mailman, whose family's foundation gave Columbia's public-health school $33 million in 1998, said she thought Bollinger "handled it very beautifully when he certainly disavowed, personally, for the university and for himself, all of the professor's comment, but upholds his right to make them."
Telis Demos, editor in chief of the Columbia Spectator, said De Genova's remarks, which the newspaper first reported, has generated a barrage of letters, "most of them pretty inflammatory . . . some of them even threatening."
"This is just huge," Demos said of the attention De Genova's anti-U.S. comments have received.
De Genova has made inflammatory statements in the past.
In April 2002, at a pro-Palestinian rally at Columbia, De Genova said: "The heritage of the victims of the Holocaust belongs to the Palestinian people. The state of Israel has no claim to the heritage of the Holocaust."
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Hey ammo,
That is a very nice Quote you have there in your signature line. Any references available for that quote? I would like to keep the quote with the reference.
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john9001: Mogadishu, thats where a handfull of special forces killed about a thousand somollies.
For no apparent purpose.
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
john9001: Mogadishu, thats where a handfull of special forces killed about a thousand somollies.
For no apparent purpose.
miko
not apparent to you, anyway. Try informing yourself. If you have trouble, ask. Someone will gladly fill you in.
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I think his point is that we left Somalia without accomplishing anything. It was still pretty much the same ****ed-up mess as when we got there.
F.
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Self-preservation is always a pretty good purpose.
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Originally posted by john9001
Mogadishu, thats where a handfull of special forces killed about a thousand somollies.
:rolleyes:
Hey Dip****,
Those personnel that were there look on this in a much different view, one that involves the US (sanctioned by the "worthless UN") being there to provide security to the humanitarian aid that was attempting to be delivered to the starving people of Somalia. Not only was this aid stolen on most occasions by a piece of crap warlord named Mohammed Aidid, this same warlord was fast approaching Hitler status as a genocidal madman. Add to this a rediculous rules of engagement setup and lack of armor setup by the Clintonites, and we were guaranteed of having a bloodbath. Ohhh, and to top it off, Delta was not the only unit involved, the Rangers and 11th Mountain were there as well. Ohh, and final established beath toll for the Somalis was over 5000 KIA. 5000 people that did not have to die, because the Clitonites would not sanction assaination of a murderer. Well, justice did prevail, Aidid was mysteriously shot 3 weeks after we "left" country. :D
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5000??? The best I ever heard was 1500, where did you ever get this figure?
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Aidid was mysteriously shot 3 weeks after we "left" country. :D
whered you hear this? it was a couple of years later and he took a mortar fragment in the throat from rival warlords. took him like 4 hours to die, which is ultimate irony if only 1 red cross med facil left in area he would have had access to surgeon but his goons muscled all the red cross medical out of country. poetic justice.
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From Time.com
August 12, 1996 Volume 148, No. 7
Aidid, 62, died as he had lived: on the battlefront. He succumbed to a heart attack Thursday, during or after surgery in Mogadishu to treat bullet wounds suffered in a July 24 firefight. The Voice of the Somali People, a radio station operated by his faction, said he had passed away "while performing his national duties." Thousands of weeping supporters filled the streets of the capital during funeral services on Friday.
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thanks toad
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1500/3000/5000 (or whatever) for 18 US.
According to the scoreboard you wins the game.
Everything is a game, uh?
Or a TV show.
:(
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john9001: Mogadishu, thats where a handfull of special forces killed about a thousand somollies.
miko: For no apparent purpose.
Martlet: not apparent to you, anyway. Try informing yourself. If you have trouble, ask. Someone will gladly fill you in.
I gladly accept your offer to enlighten me. Let me review the degree extent of my ignorance and misapprehension so that you know where to start.
We decided to go to Somali to arrest or kill a single person Mohamed Farrah Aidid who was apparently doing what hundreds of thousands of warlords do in third-world countries every day - engaged in low-intensity internecine warfare.
We failed in that prupose, lost some troops and equipment and killed a lot of peasants to improve our statistics.
Aidid was not affectied in the least by loosing a few hundred peasants since one thing such places have in abundance are pesants. In fact, I believe Aidid must have had real trpuble sending away all the volunteers willing to serve him after he defeated the mighty USA and threw it out of his country.
The situation in Somali is no worths and no betteer than if we had removed Aidid or if we never came there art all.
Besides a spectacular filming of the massive amphibious assault by US marines against a beach filled with reporters, what purpose was accomplished by killing those peasants?
miko
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Miko.
Those "peasants" you are referring to were combatants, not simple farming folks minding their own business in the market place. :rolleyes:
As to the mission on entering Somalia. Please note it was changed from humanitarian aid to a manhunt for a genocidal warlord. This individual was responsible for the deaths of countless real pesants as he took the food aid for HIS use and not his "nations" use.
As to the futility, you're right they are the same as they were before. Our troops were denied the tools they required to do the ammended mission and we lost 18 truly worthwhile people due to the decision of a worthless person who denied them the tools. We in all likelyhood would never have been able to make a real change for that sorry excuse of a country as they need to make the changes on their own. You cannot "save" those who do not want to be "saved" as they will actively fight you to keep you from "saving" them. This is a lesson that many good intentioned street cops learn after they have been on the streets a while.
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Would lov e to put a foot up his arse.
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okay this is gonna look really bad in light of my poor knolwedge on how the bastard died but i have an excuse there was a bastard that died the way i thought i was thinking of the wrong bastard. miko i was there, American forces were part of UN contingent to provide security to humanitarian relief efforts because warlords and their gangs were appropriating vital human relief materials such as meds and keeping them for leverage power you name it. we were going after warlords because it much smarter to go after gang boss than to wait and try to duke it out with underlings two or three at a time. i gather you spent some time dealing in unconventional warfare im sure you understand. maybe nothing good came of it but the logic behind the strategy was there id say.