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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pei on March 29, 2003, 04:58:17 PM
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Why does Foxnews report suicide bombings as "homicide" bombings?
Just about every bombing is intended to be homicidal. Is this some conservative version of PC?
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Because the focus is put on the murder instead of the sacrifice.
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X2lee is correct
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I fail to understand the difference it's exactly the same ,no ????
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It seems stupid to me. Changing the name does not change the fact and leads to confusion.
"Always call a spade a spade".
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a "suicide" is when you kill yourself
a "homicide" is when you kill other people, if you kill yourself when you kill others it's still a "homicide"
who is more important here , the killer or the people he killed?
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Again I fail to see the logic.
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straffo , thats because you are french, but it's not your fault. mes ami
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'it's not your fault'
LOL!
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Suicides are a subset of homicides. All suicides are homicides but not all homicides are suicides.
If you use the term suicide bombing then you describe a bombing where the bomber kills himself. No mention of victims. The name only describes one death, which is an incomplete description of the event.
If you use the term homicide bombing then you describe a bombing where people are killed. That covers the bomber as well as the targets. It tells more of the story than "suicide bombing".
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Enfin quelqu'un avec un cerveau et qui en plus sait s'en servir
Apres deux idiots ça détend...
A bit to logical this time Funked ;)
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I'm not so stupid as to think that "suicide bombers" aren't trying to kill anyone but themselves. But given the Faux sNews demographic, I can understand why they have to make the distinction.
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"Suicide bomber" is a far more practical term. You immediately know that a manhunt isn't necessary, since the terrorist bastard isn't going anywhere.
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I think these days most people associate suicide bombings with killing others. On the other side of the coin, X2LEE is correct...calling it a homicide bombing focus's on the victims and not the killer.
I'd say the ONLY consolation in a suicide bombing is that there is one less scumbag in the world to worry about.
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Sounds like freedom fries to me.
All bombings involve homocides. It's a given. Not all bombings involve suicides. So what does Fox call bombings where no suicide is involved? Same thing? Are they getting rid of the distinction altogether or have they come up with some other term?
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All bombings involve homocides.
No not always.
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Ah... yeah true. I was meaning at least *attempting* homocide but even that's not always the case.
I guess the weird thing is that when a newscaster says "A suicide bomber has struck..." I know what it means. If they say "A homocide bomber has struck....", then I don't know if it was a traditional suicide bomber or if it was someone who planted a bomb at an airport.
So unless they've come up with another term, it seems way more vague. Has Fox merely suplanted "suicide" with "homocide" or have they come up with other terms to make the distinction (which was obvious before) clear?
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They should call them suihomicide bombers!
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BTW homicide is killing a person.
homocide is a hate crime. :)
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No... whats a crime is yankin' the spell checker from the BBS. :) I aint as bad as HT but pretty dang close.
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I think homocide is a better spelling anyways.
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Yeah...
homOsapiens = man.
homO = same (ie. man killing man... or man loving man eg. in the case of SOB and Gordo the intimate love that only two men can share)
where'd the freakin' "i" come from?
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All I know is with an avatar like that I feel compelled to read everything you post now, Nash.
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Heeeeeeeeepmotizing aint it? :)
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Hey Pei, why should I not **** with the rocketmen?
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Geez it's Fox news...they're the ones who put the USA in Usama.
Tronsky
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lol Pathetic.
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its just fox pandering to their demographic. its kinda funny actually. now i wonder if they will start calling air strikes. homocide strikes. hey and maybe we should rewrite some history. japanese homicide planes has a nice ring to it. ( changeing the name of a word is use is silly)
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Yeah. It's Fox.
Homicide bombings.
Okay, so let's see logically:
a) this guy committed suicide by blowing himself up in the presence of soldiers.
b) the goal was clearly to kill the soldiers
c) neither side of this war considers the perpetrator anything other than a combatant.
d) in wartime, soldiers are legitimate targets
combining b c d and you get "a legitimate combatant killed legitimate enemies". If Fox wants to call that homicide (literally: the killing of a man), then the US has a lot of homicide airstrikes.
Suicide bombing, on the other hand, describes perfectly clearly what happened: whether anybody else dies or not, the attack remains the same. If the guy blew himself up and didn't kill anybody, you couldn't even according to Fox's logic apply the term "homicide"
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Originally posted by Dinger
"a legitimate combatant killed legitimate enemies"
That doesn't fly, because he disguised himself as a civilian. He's not a legitimate combatant under the Geneva Convention.
And yes the Convention matters. In this case it's designed to protect civilians. If we legitimize people disguising themselves as civilians and attacking soldiers, then we give the soldiers little choice but to kill civilians. It's going to be a rough time for taxi drivers in Iraq from now on.
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Originally posted by Dowding
lol Pathetic.
Man I saw these words and thought of
YOU!
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Killing civilians trying to leave their own cities, waving white flags then attacking, terrorist style bombings, these are the acts of a people the world will be better off without. I had doubts about the justness of this war, no longer.
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X2lee - Easy tiger. You'll be bowling me over with your rapier wit - spare me, please.
Funked - this is just the same stupid, inane political correctness which changes the wording of perfectly accurate terms for the sake of it, at best, or some agenda, at worst. Rationalize it all you want.
AKIron - this discussion isn't about the act itself, it's about how we describe it.
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i call them sick bastards, but fox can call them whatever it likes.
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Originally posted by Dowding
AKIron - this discussion isn't about the act itself, it's about how we describe it.
Well, they aren't the same type of attackers as the Kamakazi pilots of WWII. Those guys were in uniform and not hiding among women and children and they attacked uniformed combatants. Theirs was an honorable act.
To simply call these others suicide bombers does not address the sneakiness nor the indiscriminateness of thier act. Terrorist suicide bombers would be more descriptive.
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Terrorist suicide bombers is not what they are calling them on Fox News - that's the issue here.
How do you feel about the 'homicide' bomber' term?
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
I'm not so stupid as to think that "suicide bombers" aren't trying to kill anyone but themselves. But given the Faux sNews demographic, I can understand why they have to make the distinction.
Its not just Fox news, its most of the free (democratic) world Govt's that now refers to them as Homocide bombings. US Gov't officially has changed the designation(And did so along with Israel way back over a year ago during the string of homocide bombings in Israel)
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Oh come on. The free press has NOT changed its terminology. The BBC hasn't, neither has SKY as far as I know. None of the terristrial British stations have and not one British newspaper has ever mentioned 'homicide' bombings.
Let's not spin this so far away from the truth. I've never heard this term before it was mentioned in this thread.
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Press and Gov't designations are separate issues...thankfully.
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You said "Its not just Fox news, its most of the free (democratic) world that now refers to them as Homocide bombings..." That's not true as far as I can see.
CNN refers to them as 'suicide bombers'. So does MSNBC, BBC, CBS.
To me, it just looks like FOX News and US government if what you say is true.
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Ha'aretz still calls them suicide bombers.
But then they've held out against instructions on Newspeak from the Israeli government in other areas too.
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Editted initial post Dowding, my clarity was lacking in delivery I guess.
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Like it really matters, this isn't the same thing as Freedom/French... this is actually labelling something for what it is.
Big deal.
-SW
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newspeak is what it is.