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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: ergRTC on March 30, 2003, 05:54:27 PM
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VF-27 is going to try and organize a large scale bomber operation against a factory for tuesday night. Please post here if you are interested.
I would like to see the checkertails in p47s as an escort to the VF27 in b17s. Any other squads interested in escorting or joining us in bombers would be great.
Axis please use this chance to get your lonewolves organized for intercept. You have a competent bomber intercepter in this map (the ta152) so I hope to see you up in mass.
The way I see it working out, is we will tell you when we are going to launch and the general area of the target so as to be sure we run into each other. We will be at historical alts for this mission.
This will only be fun if you guys know we are coming and are prepared so I hope we can work together on this.
Some projected numbers:
If vf27 shows up in average numbers and the checkertails as well (hopefully the 880 will be there too).
10 b17 formations = 30 bombers in the sky (will look awesome).
10+ escort 47s (I would like to keep the majority of escorts in 47s but I will not exclude 38 or 51 groups).
If the axis can field 10-15 ta152s I think this will be a fun time.
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I will be on vacation this comming week but Maj Stream14 will be acting commander of the 325th. I'm sure he will escort you to your targets.
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You can count on 880 to fly escort.
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How the hell do you fly a B-17?:D
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hehe slash. Just like an f6f with 3 more engines, and a few more feet on the wings, a few more feet on the tail, and about 6 more 50s.
Oh bye the way start time will be 10pm est.
Great Miska, I was hoping you guys could make it. If we are low on pilots can some of the 880 step in for 17s if we dont get the 10 hellcats I would like to see?
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Erg, B-17...dive bomder right?? like TBM
How many notches of flaps to get off the CV??;)
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Just tell me when the time and place and the Checkertails will be there. We have been practicing in the P-47 for this...
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You can count on JG 3 for about 10+ interceptors.
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Great andi. I am sure there will be volunteers in the crowd too.
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What time?
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Calibration is not possible in this setup for some reason. When you go to calibration mode, you cannot move the crosshairs. I found this out the hard way over the weekend. Also heard several other people compaining about the same problem.
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I had the same problem as pangea last night in a B26. Calibration doesn't seem to work in this setup. :(
Figured it was just something screwy on my end, glad to hear that is not the case.
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Tue. 9 CST
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I'll try to make it and fly for the Luftwobbles. :)
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Ouch this could be a little harder then. I have bombed in the rhine map before,I wonder if something isnt messed up that can be fixed.....
Even if they dont we will still try!
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Oops. I think I left precision bomb sights on. :eek:
Let me turn it off (precision = where crosshairs are, is where bombs drop).
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13th Sentai will fly LW in support of our Axis friends in Berlin.
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great! Now we are really going to have to scrounge for allied pilots!
I feel sorry for the newb that ups into our mess when we get over target.....
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I'll see about getting as many of the 106th to fly either bomber or escort... Should be fun.. Did I see the time right? 9pm CST Tue night?
--mdbaker
XO - 106th Air Group
http://www.106thvag.org
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fantastic, yes 9pm cst
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Since this seems to be growing quickly, I would suggest people make sure they are around a little early if their squad is going to take part. I do not want any micromanagement, so if you have a squad all I would like to do is get target and communication channels figured out.
After that I would hope we can just wing it.
For escort groups that would mean a sector for joining up, and a min alt to be at.
For bomber groups we want to keep it tight but no need to do more than follow the leader.
Lonewolves should be able to jump in at the last moment.
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That is our squad nite anyway... We start squad nite at 8PM CST so should be no prob getting set...
--mdbaker
XO - 106th Air Group
http://www.106thvag.org
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If you want us to fly escort still, our squad time is 10pm est. We would really like too.
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Absolutely stream. Trying to get this as big as possible. I think the checkertails will probably be in charge of escorts, unless another really big squad wants to start another escort wing.
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If any Axis squads want coordinate attacks you can contact me at the JG 3 "Headquarters" by clicking on the "FELDPOST" icon below my signature.
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Well it seems tour 13 is over, and with it everyones accumulated perk points. Doesnt look like the Luftwaffe will be flying anything fancy tonight. I won't be able to fly until squadtime, and I'm sure a lot of guys will log on with 0 perks.
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crappola. I wonder if fork can disable that tonight? I will see if I cant get him to do it.
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Hell I would play target for you guys if they wont and you show up early ;)
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190A-8's have plenty of guns for knocking down buffs, and the 109G-6 is more then enough to tackle the escorts. :)
Ta-152s are overrated anyways! *lies*
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If you want to keep it interesting keep the bomber stream between 20k and 25k where the real ones flew.
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hehe good one.
it is the high alt performance of the 152 we are looking for..... and the 30mm
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well, that would have been more fun if I had waited for the lost LW to catch up. I was kinda following one group of LW guys, but they weren't going the right way, so I turned. Sure enough, I found the buffs. I took a pass, and got one to smoke. I called out positions, numbers, and escorts. Then made another pass. Didn't get hit going in, but got lit up like a Christmas tree going out. Who said high 2-8 passes were safe? :rolleyes:
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Thats too bad, was great fun though. I was hoping for more on the way in, but instead we got it on the way home.
Thanks to everybody that took part. Was a load of fun with very little planning.
I hope everyone was able to fly what they wanted, but I have to admit, the limited ta152s made them that more scary when they showed up.
Couple of things ....
Wind or something was causing us to lose our drones.
How did the escort do? How was the p47 matching the lw at that alt? As good as hoped or less than perfect?
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Well we were in P47D-25s and we have no complaints. In a straight dog fight we would have been meat, but since we were concentrating on just keeping the bombers clear, we did fine.
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it looked lik eit was gonn abe fun, but right when i started my dive on the inbounds (in a ta152, of course) roadrunner cable decided to go tits up on me. i couldn't get back in til you guys were on your way home and it was a play catchup in a lower 109g10, get one and then lose a wing.
ah well. next time.
:D
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ouch. Cable modems scare me. Is it still a matter of how much pron your neighbor is downloading that determines your connection speed?
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erg - great one :). It was a blast.
Cheers,
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Just wanted to thank all who joined in the bomber mission last night. We really didnt do much damage but oh what fun flyin with all those planes around you. Out escorts did a great job and the LW guys did to. We were lucky our escorts kind of broke up the inb lw fiters and they came in 1 or 2 at a time made it a little easier for us. If all those 152s,190s, and 109s would have come at once could have been more than we could handle. Dont think we really lost any bombers due to enemy untill after we dropped, but lost a lot of drones on the way there, something about the wind, damn if I know! ERG great job, been kind of busy lately and you did a fine job of running the show, heh thats why I made you the bomb leader (tootin my own horn there hehe) and a big salute to all who took part, think everyone can look forward to the VF27 setting up some more of these kind of things, I know our squad really enjoyed it!
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lol, i was trying to get all the lw assembled in a big gaggle, but some were just too eager. ah well.
and cable is bandwidth sensitive, yes, but that 's more for download speed than connection speed. i've seen pretty stable pings for the most part. and we *all* share the main pipes in the routing system regardless of connection type.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Thanks to everybody that took part. Was a load of fun with very little planning.
That was The Bomb, erg. I echo the sentiments of whoever it was who said we ought to do this once each week.
Thanks for doing it this time.
- oldman
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From the 106th Air Group.. We were the High cover for the bomber group in ponys'.... It was fun... Can't wait until next time... Maybe the LW could mount a bomber raid... A mass of JU88's and 87's would be fun to swarm.. hehehe...
Thanks ergRTC, VF-27, 325th, 880 and any other Allied groups/pilots I missed and to the LW pilots.. Shane, Oldman, 13th Sentai, JG 3 (sorry if I missed someone) Made for a fun night of flying.. Would have been more fun for me if I had not ripped my wings off chasing asw(or aws sorry dude can't remember your handle.. should been shot down by you enough.. )... down.. (stupid paper wing pony.. HAHHAHA)
Wanted to shoot shane down again... but oh well...
--mdbaker
XO - 106th Air Group
http://www.106thvag.org
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Originally posted by Shane
lol, i was trying to get all the lw assembled in a big gaggle, but some were just too eager. ah well.
Shane Shane Shane........................ .... JG3 was teamed up with 13th Sentai, and as usual the text buffer was full of you insulting people, and complaining about how they fly the whole time we were on the bomber intercept. You laid out such gems as , the Allied pilots don't know how to fly their planes, and whats your new insult to people something to do about jousting?? Exactly when did you try to coordinate anything?? Pfft you just have to toot your own horn no matter how sour the music huh?:rolleyes: If anybody worked to coordinate the LW side it was Jester00.
Erg, Hijacker great mission! Our group of planes did get to the buffs in a good size wave. We must have missed you in the early stages . We had a huge dar bar and a lot of LW formations we could see on dar. When we got to the area there was a huge high alt furball between LW and P-47s. We turned back east and thats when we finnally caught sight of you guys. When we attacked the close escorts were busy with other LW , and we actually got an initial pass in without being attacked by them.
Most of our losses were due to buff guns. However we did knock down some buffs.
The one gunner controling all the guns on a three aircraft formation , makes it tough on the guy targeted. Especially when there is a large formation. You've got to get in quick try and target a box who's firing on somebody else make your pass count and haul prettythang. It was quite a challenge , and we enjoyed it very much. Great stuff.
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Can't say I was overly impressed with the Ta152h.
Got one kill and died twice.
Those heavily concentrated bomber formations were hell. I dove into formation on their 9 o'clock, came in from behind and low, up through center of formation. Sent lead bomber of that formation down in hail of 30mm. As I cleared that formation, fire from neighboring formation sheered off my wing.
Caught up with main bomber group again just after they completed bomb run. Lined up and was going in from high 3 o'clock, got hammered by P47 I never saw.
This was a pretty cool set-up. to VF 27 for getting it started. If I had it to do again I would've taken a D9.
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I was able to get in a high speed pass lighting up a couple of b17's was so fast and lost so much alt took me a while to reaquire the bombers.When I got them sighted again lined up on a b17 but again was so fast could not get out of the way of the b17 and crashed into him thus ending my mission.
to all was a good time.
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All in all was great fun. My squad (13th Sentai) intercepted the bomber stream in Ta152s alongside JG3. Was an awesome sight to see all those planes in the sky. I thought it reflected alot of what I have read about these encounters in real life in that utter confusion reigned almost immediately after we made contact. I found myself separated from the rest of my squad after our initial pass and was pretty much on my own thereafter.
I was able to smoke one 17 and destroy another. Was bounced twice by fighters and forced to dive away. The escorts were well disciplined and broke off before they got too low. Took hits and sustained some damage from a 51 in the last bounce so I RTB'd and landed safely.
Thanks to erg for organizing this and to all who participated.
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Very interesting. Seems a particular message in this thread was deleted. If this was your own doing shane, thank you. If it was not, I would be interested in finding out what happened. Was this an HTC intervention?
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i removed it; i realize some people are just too myopic and not worth the effort to slap down when they can't even understand what they're seeing.
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Well with the reports in it seems JG 3 did fairly well in attacking the bomber stream Tuesday but we lost all our planes doing it!
The massed defensive firepower from the bombers was a tough nut to crack. The escort didn't provide that big of a problem. In fact several pilots reported they could have got several of the 47's on the way in had they not been ordered to go after bombers.
Seems our biggest enemy was HTC's servers! We had 6 Disco's on the flight out!
JG 3 fielded 11 pilots and with 10 reports in here is the total:
7 x B-17 Kills
5 x B-17 Assts.
2 x P-47 Kills
1 x P-47 Assts.
I will have to say I wasn't that impressed with the Ta-152's performance either. If there was any monster out there it was the B-17! With one player being able to control 3 aircraft's guns you would do better to leave the escort home and put them in bombers for more ord on target!
Anyway a good time was had by all and I must saw the sight of Luftwaffe and Allied planes filling the skies what QUITE IMPRESSIVE! to all that took part and erg for getting it started.
Next time the BOB set-up comes out we need to see if we can work up a massive JU-88 raid to recipricate.
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Sure did feel like we were safe from our side! (course I lost my drones at take off so I had only one life to live.
I do believe these guns are out of hand on the 17s. I wish they would let more than 1 guy man the weopons....
Shane it didnt have anything to do with this did it?
from announcements...
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actually, no it didn't - i just didn't think lowe's total confusion about what really occurred in that time frame were worth the effort to slap down.
i think it's people who made truly personal attacks that resulted in this occurring. ya know, those people like *you* who try and make insults based on misconceptions about real life when real life has very little to do with game play. nothing actually.
glad to have cleared that up for you.
i'm sooo admiring the great job that jester "did" in "coordinating the defensive efforts. his outstanding work resulted in absolutely zero buffs dying before they reached target - or at least that's the way i understand it according to what you posted. despite having to fairly decent sized groups to work with and an intercept that was an easy sector and half away from target.
great job jester!!
snork.
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hmmm
"conduct detrimental to the civility of the message board"
we will have to see.
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those people like *you* who
SARS?
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Originally posted by Shane
i'm sooo admiring the great job that jester "did" in "coordinating the defensive efforts. his outstanding work resulted in absolutely zero buffs dying before they reached target
So. You understand it wrong.
Splash1
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Shane such sarcasim against Jester!! Whatsa matter you not getting enough attention?
If you don't like what I say why attack Jester?
You know I went back and reviewed the film seems I was wrong , you did try and coordinate attacks once the buffs were inbound. I guess because of your usual insults, temper tantrums about 30 minutes earlier I quit paying attention to you. What is the deal with you, does anything positive ever come out of you? Or have you got your I'm an prettythanghole switch safety wired to the on position?
Geez man the only thing that overshadows your great ability at this game, is your inability to not to act like a psoiled child.
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Hey Lowe <
>:D
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Originally posted by Löwe
Shane such sarcasim against Jester!! Whatsa matter you not getting enough attention? If you don't like what I say why attack Jester?
You know I went back and reviewed the film seems I was wrong , you did try and coordinate attacks once the buffs were inbound. I guess because of your usual insults, temper tantrums about 30 minutes earlier I quit paying attention to you. What is the deal with you, does anything positive ever come out of you? Or have you got your I'm an prettythanghole switch safety wired to the on position?
Geez man the only thing that overshadows your great ability at this game, is your inability to not to act like a psoiled child.
hmmm, you're wrong about one thing, what else are you most likely wrong about?
was jester at all on ch2? i don't recall seeing any coordination on ch2 coming from jester.
i think perhaps *you* got *your* switches hard-wired to hump my ankle. your inital response proves it.
as for my "compliment" to the way jester "coordinated" things; well, i guess that goes back to the way you tried to make it sound like he did all that and tried to slam me at the same time don't throw rocks if you don;t any coming back at ya - again, i don't recall seeing anyone other than myself on ch2 communicating things except for a few posreps. not everyone has vox or knew to tune to some special channel.
but then i guess it was you two squads doing things your own way. "if anyone worked to coordiante the lw it was jester." really? care to post a screenie of him on ch2? if you're gonna try and toot horns, make sure it was at least done in the manner you suggested it was. go back and review that film, and you'll see i only made suggestions, the most important one being to form up in one big gaggle. too bad film doesn't show the dar flow at that point. refer to nifty's post for a little insight.
again, good job!!
and please, bear this in mind... you never see me deliberate misrepresent things, unlike a few of you i can name. i may be many things, but delusional isn't one of them. focus, son, focus. try and keep up.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
hmmm
"conduct detrimental to the civility of the message board"
we will have to see.
pot or kettle?
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Originally posted by Dennis
So. You understand it wrong.
Splash1
reeding iz phundimental. please try and keep up. okay, maaaaaybe a few buffs bought it from the lw before they reached target, but it seems most of the action occurred *after* the drop. jolly good show!
you guys don't fly in scenarios (much, if at all) do you? how about snapshots or TOD's? i suggest ya'll give them a try and learn something more about tactics.
"tak tiks"...The military science that deals with securing objectives set by strategy, especially the technique of deploying and directing troops, ships, and aircraft in effective maneuvers against an enemy.
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LOL.
Shane your so predictable you becoming boring.:D
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Shane, I think Lowe was refering to my actions before the event in trying to round up Squadrons for the Luftwaffe to put in the air. I contacted 13th Sentai & IV/Jabostaffel and even tried to drag some of our old JG 51 bunch over from IL-2.
13th Sentai & JG 3 did launch together from A2 and patroled South of the A4 area in case they came that way. Knowing erg I thought he might do something "shady." ;) I did not transmitt on CH.2 much other than to pick up a few stragglers and put them on our common text ch. of 173 (You can ask Kanttori about that.) and the several times I transmitted the location, course & alt of the bombers for everone. Our goal was to locate and fix the bomber stream and perhaps draw the escort off if we could. The escort wouldn't leave the bombers so seeing the bombers starting their bomb runs we attacked when they were their most vulnerable.
I did direct our action a litttle with 13th Sentai so we could cover more turff.
We intercepted one large radar blip but on seeing it was just a mass of P-47's we broke contact and headed back to the A4 area where we picked up the bombers just before their drop. That's where we made our kills.
While I don't consider my actions in the grand light Lowe does I am pleased with it. Our squad (and others) saw plenty of action, had fun and learned something and that is what really counts. We will adjust our tactics and maybe we will do better next time.
Are you "volunteering" to direct all Luftwaffe units next time this little event comes around Shane or are you just "Humping my Ankle again." ;)
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Originally posted by Shane
reeding iz phundimental. please try and keep up. okay, maaaaaybe a few buffs bought it from the lw before they reached target, but it seems most of the action occurred *after* the drop. jolly good show!
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You wrote that, as you understood it, ".... his outstanding work resulted in absolutely zero buffs dying before they reached target."
I wrote that you understood wrong.
Your quote above acknowledges your error.
The allies also acknowledge that damage from the subsequent drop was negligible.
All in all, this was a great evening. I had a ton of fun with it, even though I'm no fan of the plane we used. I did get one bomber kill and an assist, which was ample for me.
Erg did a fine job putting together the mission; Jester & keyapaha did a fine job arranging the intercept.
Your pathetic screeching is duly noted, and taken for what it's worth. It's just as well you discoed. You were not missed.
Splash1
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Wish there was a BB squelch button.........:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
Wish there was a BB squelch button.........:rolleyes:
sigh... have none of you clues? typical. there *is* one. maybe if you actually used a little initiative and tried something, you might stumble across a clue.
;)
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Gee Shane, I'm sooooo glad we all have you here to set us right! What would we do without you??:confused:
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Shane has it ever dawned on you , that if everybody else thinks you act like a jerk.... You are acting like a jerk?
Your just not as cool as you seem to think you are. You talk about humping legs and slapping people down , on the text buffer and BBS. Again last night all you did was belittle people and throw insults. You insulted Keyapaha repeatedly, as well as MDbaker. Both of these guys are respected, and liked. I know for a fact Keyapaha is a true class act. He proved it last night by not losing his temper through your entire series of childish insults.
Your just an annoying little twit , who is so insecure the only way you can feel good about yourself is to constantly run other people down. Keep it up ,,,if you'll notice more and more people are getting tired of your behavior. Do you act this way when you talk to people face to face? Or you just a tough guy on the internet , who wets his pants in a real life confrontation?
I'm done with you on this thread go ahead a blast away with insults, and keep trying to convince yourself your superior to everyone else. Your the only one buying it though.
Sheesh,,,,,,, and you call other people tards?? Give me a break!
:rolleyes:
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so sad that such a fun thing had to degrade to this. Seriously shane your behavior is disruptive here and in the game. If you cant play nice please just be quiet.
As for the the above statements...
I take offense!;) Little damage to the target!!!!! I have a picture of the battle damage at this link (thanks arjay!). Not perfect, but at least 75% of the primary target was destroyed. We did a 'lead' drop where only I was in the scope (ala historical bomber missions), and I wouldnt call that too bad.
http://www.toad.net/~kjard/bda.gif
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Shane,
As a pilot, you're good. As a person, you suck.
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lol. i see just like in the arena, here on the BBS you have a nice little circle forming. be careful to take regular breaks so carpal tunnel doesn't set in.
you guys really need to learn how to fly these virtual planes. i'm being nice and giving you the benefit of doubt that you might actually be capable of it.
and lowe... lol, i took on 5 of your little squaddies last night, low and on the deck 2 of them went down, the other 3 would have too if i had any ammo for them. and yeah, i did rtb.. with 6 kills. lol.
you teaching them anythng at all???? nice to have a mirror image of the 325th on lw side so that no matter who i fly for, there will be easy targets.
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I'm not gonna support one side or the other in this pissing contest. I'll lay out the facts as I saw them.
The bombers weren't intercepted before the drop because they were totally missed by most everyone. I called the first posrep of the Allied formation at something like 9,12,5 heading east. I went East to hook up with other LW planes (I was lonewolfing, because I didn't know the text channel the "missions" where on).
One small wave of LW guys (6-8 guys) went in, and apparently engaged escorts at around 9,12, 6. A few mins later, I saw the rest of the LW heading that direction instead of realizing the buffs had kept going and were about 10,12,4 (I was in icon range of a lot of LW, and in visual dot range of two groups of unknowns.) So I turned towards the eastern most group of dots, 95% sure that was the buff stream. It was.
The second wave of LW bypassed the buff stream (with 6 remaining escorts) and ended up being caught a full sector out of position to the west when I called out positive ID (could make out B-17 shapes) on buffs in 10,12,5 still heading east.
The first wave of LW never called out on Ch 2 they were engaging escorts and that the buffs had kept plodding along. The second wave of LW either didn't notice the dots at their relative 10 (LW was heading west, buffs were almost south of them) or chose not to investigate them. I should have said something on range channel to the effect of "yo, dots to the south are prolly buffs, you're more than likely heading to an escort furball."
Those 3 things combined to make it so only a few LW managed to engage the buffs otw to the target.
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Did someone hear something? Sounded like...STATIC. Must be my radio acting up again.
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That may have been what you witnessed, but the reality of the situation was this:
JG-3 Udet was supposed to find and engage the fiter escorts, which they did.
13th Sentai, flying Ta152's were to follow up and engage bombers cleared of escorts, which we did BEFORE THE BOMB RUN.
The problem was that there were only 5 members of 13th Sentai attacking a formation of at least 30 17's with interlocking grids of fire. On my initial dive I killed one 17 outright but was hammered by another formation who had nothing to concentrate on other than my plane clearing the other formation.
The bombers were at close to 32k on initial contact. The members of the 13th that were lucky enough to survive the first pass with a flyable plane had to then climb back up to attack position. Suicide just to turn and run up the 6 of this kind of formation.
Those of you that could not be bothered to go to A2 to get in on initial planning and get on mission channel 173, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
The main problem here is that the 152's have to get within 500 yards to make their cannons effective while you have bombers engaging you out to 1.2. And not just one formation several. That kind of firepower is whithering to say the least.
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So does any JG-3 or 13th Sentai have film? I'd like to see it, since I didn't film myself.
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Hey naj, nice plan. Again I do have to say the bombers 50s are just insane. They are fine for a lone bomber trying to get to target, cause he needs all he can get, but when flying realisticaly they are way way to powerful.
I think they need to try and figure something out, like maybe guns other than the one you are in are less effective or likely to hit the target.
Our target alt was 24k which I was at (lead), but I know some of our guys were above that, I dont think they were all the way up to 32k. I may be wrong though. I know the escort was up that high though.
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In this case, I think everyone should have taken D9's. They take some punishment and guns are effective at greater range.
I think our 2 biggest mistakes were in plane choice and not making the group going after bombers bigger.
I said 32K because the first report I got indicated 32K. The formations I actually attacked were at about 27k to 28k.
If you want to know the exact alt of the bomber I killed, ask CIU, it was one of his. It was another formation that got credited with my kill, not CIU, so my run on him was effective. It's just damn hard to go into that many formations of 17's and come out of it.
Our chance of successfully engaging the 17's prior to bombing would have increased if the lone wulf group of LW would have bothered to get to A2 in time to take part in planning. Some of those guys could have been attached to the 13th and we would have gone in on the bombers with 15 planes instead of 5.
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Originally posted by Shane
lol. i see just like in the arena, here on the BBS you have a nice little circle forming. be careful to take regular breaks so carpal tunnel doesn't set in.
you guys really need to learn how to fly these virtual planes. i'm being nice and giving you the benefit of doubt that you might actually be capable of it.
and lowe... lol, i took on 5 of your little squaddies last night, low and on the deck 2 of them went down, the other 3 would have too if i had any ammo for them. and yeah, i did rtb.. with 6 kills. lol.
you teaching them anythng at all???? nice to have a mirror image of the 325th on lw side so that no matter who i fly for, there will be easy targets.
Just making sure this one does'nt dissapear like your other post. Your a quality guy Shane the things you write should not be removed.:D
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Originally posted by Löwe
Just making sure this one does'nt dissapear like your other post. Your a quality guy Shane the things you write should not be removed.:D
the person who needed to read it, did. that's all that matters.
;)
no response about your lack of teaching your guys how to fly? oh yeah, that's right, you don't know how so how could i expect you to teach them? silly me.
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Originally posted by Shane
the person who needed to read it, did. that's all that matters.
;)
no response about your lack of teaching your guys how to fly? oh yeah, that's right, you don't know how so how could i expect you to teach them? silly me.
Thanks again!:D
What do you want me to say about your comments on my abilities? Let's see , I'm mediocur at best.......... So , whats your point? I know better than you my limitations, and I'm not bothered by them. So why should it matter to you? Oh yeah !! I forgot............... Your so imature, and insecure, you have to constantly insult people to make yourself feel good. So I make a perfect target. Tell me again who the tard is??:rolleyes:
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I was between 23 and 25K the whole time... and yup ya snuk up on me! heheh Nice pass!