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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Minotaur on October 19, 2000, 12:39:00 PM
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I suppose every on-line simmer goes through this change in mental attitude that I now find myself embracing. I have been playing AH for just about a year. Some times very heavily, while at other times not playing at all.
I do not know for sure, but I doubt that I started out this way. I am not really sure where my compassion went, but I sort of feel like playing the game drained it out of me somehow.
Where did my sense of "Mercy" go?
Where is my "Compassion" for the other player?
Why do I feel like a "Loser", this is only an game?
War is hell!
It seems that my exposure to AH seems lined with frustration. Be it my in-ability to improve or see progress, the constant feeling of defeat at the expense of anothers victory or the brow beating I sometimes take (and often rightfully earn (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) on this BBS.
Let me relate a story of my most recent escapade:
The set-up was that the Bishrook team was putting heavy pressure on my team. Down to 3 bases, with 2 of them under constant attack.
I took off from field A1, my first flight of the day,thinking "I'm gonna get some back". Shortly, I notice low dots over my HQ and turn to investigate what looks like a fighter attacking a BUFF. I soon see a smoke trail going down. I continue on to further investigate.
It was apparent that a lone Lanc had decided to pork our HQ and managed to defend itself against at least one defender. In the process the Lanc got pretty shot up. I dive to make my attack on the Lanc. When I get to about d2.5 I see the Lanc vanish and a chute appear.
For some reason this really got my goat, I was uncaring to that fact that this plane could be no more than Swiss cheese by this point. So next, I attempt to ruin this guys flight further by shooting his chute. My in-aptitude prevented me from doing this, on two consecutive passes. This made me even madder.
My only option left was make the "Dweeb Call" on the open channel.
To make this story shorter, the guy fessed up and also resented me calling him/her a dweeb. However, I chose to be unrelenting and continued to vent my anger. I went on to explain in great detail why I thought he/she had made a "Dweeb Move" and therefore was a "Dweeb".
In the end, we parted communication quietly as it all had started. Him/her probably thinking "Merciless jerk amazinhunk, one thing I really $%#@$% hate about this @#$^^%$ game" and me thinking "Score potato dweeb jerk amazinhunk quakebaby".
I still don't know why, but it seemed my 15,000 frustrations came out of me on this person. I was was going to make someone "else" pay. Sadly this was nor has been the only one for me most recently.
I had to realize that this player sitting at his computer somewhere. Just like me was probably feeling the same frustrations and the need to "get back some" that I did.
For the record:
I'm not making any fancy apologies. However; if I had those occurrences to do over, I would not do them the same way.
In the future I am going to learn a little "On-line Mercy" which I now seem to be devoid of.
Salute! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble
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Perhaps a story will be a better vehicle to explain your feelings:
Man sitting at a bar trys to strike up a conversation with the attractive redhead two seats over. He finaly asks the young lady what her name is. "Carmen" she replies. "What an interesting and unusual name" he says, "was that your mother or your fathers choice?". "Neither" says the lady, "I named myself". "Really, why did you choose to change your name to Carmen?" The young lady replied "The two things in life I REALLY love are fast cars and men, so I changed my name to Car-men" "By the way", said the redhead, I don't believe I caught your name. To which the man replied "Beerf-ck".
Do see what I'm getting at Mino?
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Compassion?
Mercy?
I lost those a long time ago in this game. The dweebs who smoke your bird and take you out of the fight, then dive down to make sure you're dead when there are 3 others trying to kill him have completely worn it out. You'd think, that in thier quest for thier score, they'd worry about the 3 flying kites that are lining up to kill them. But no, they've got to dive down and make sure you die in a fireball, even though they'll get the kill when you get captured after ditching. If you're lucky enough to ditch your shot up kite with the crazy ditch model.
Those 2 ideals are unknown in the arenas, and those who have them left should check them at the door when they log on, lest they loose them completely. I've even started with the total bloodthirsty killing attitude. Once upon a time I'd let a target go once he was pooring black smoke, but not any longer.
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Not sure I ever had compassion or mercy in this on line medium. Respect, admiration or even astonishment? For sure.
-Westy
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Caveman,
How many times have you fought an enemy and made his plane a casualty with an oil hit only to lose the kill to another player who blows up the plane after you break off? I have had it happen to me. You know the plane can't make it back deadstick and you break off to save alt and ammo. It's a darn shame but there are more than a few who will do it.
Mav
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Originally posted by CavemanJ:
Compassion?
Mercy?
Those 2 ideals are unknown in the arenas,
Not true CJ!!! Why just the other day I killed a b26 with my trusty 4x20mm 190a8 and when he bailed out I circled around to kill him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) but instead I showed mercy and just flew by waggling my wings (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Seriously though, what's the point of this game? I think that for one we aren't realy killing people so there is no real reason for compassion or mercy, and then there's the fact that we're fighting a war. Add to that I'm a Knight and constantly under attack from both Rooks and Bish, so I have none (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) unless there was a realy good 5+ minute fight with just me and another pilot. Sometimes when I've beaten a guy and I know he can't fight back w/ no engine or ailerons I will let him ditch. Though it's more out of admiration or respect than mercy.
I lost my since of chilvary waaaay back in WB 1.02 when Mili taught me not to roll from a vulched field (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
udie
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you should drink more
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Roger that Maverick. Jackals swooping in for a piece of the prize. I hate them. They're cheap, smell bad and just a wee bit over eager for any piece of a kill. Especially one they did not have to use any effort to get.
-Westy
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I just smile, knowing that I came out on top, regardless of what that silly score page says. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm also not as low as the guy who just chased the con all the way to the ground, so maybe I live longer because of it too.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
(http://tuweb.ucis.dal.ca/~dconrad/ahf/lepht.gif)
"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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So what is it that steams you guys about other guys finishing off your kills if you leave them to stumble home? Is it score? Personally, when I feel like conserving ammo, I'll hit a con until I know he's not going to make it back to base. After that he's just leftovers for the other meat-eaters...I killed him whether the game gives me credit for him or not.
SOB
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You know after thinking about this, it probobly makes more sence to show mercy. It will take the guy longer to get home or to ditch and so it will take him longer to replane and get back into the fight.
Hmm this could be the start of a new Udie, a kinder more gentle Udie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Udie
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"So what is it that steams you guys about other guys finishing off your kills.."
It's the groveling for the remains.
-Westy
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Mav yes, those folks really irritate me, then I just remind myself they're totally hopeless, pimplefaced dweebs who can't get any and are trying to make up for that fact. I know I downed the kite, and I hadna then the enemy would probably chow down on the dweeb.
Lephturn and SOB hit the nail on the head. I know I beat whoever it was, even if I'm only given an asst. The only real drawback is that the enemy dinnae I was the one who beat him, they think the aforementioned dweeb did. But that's ok too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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That happens to me quite a bit, especially flying planes like the p51 and la5. They tend to cause oil/coolant leaks and chop off tails. A few times I've had to call out "109s dead" or something like that when someone starts to shoot at it. When it comes down to it though, I accomplished what I set out to do; I shot down the other guy.
About the only thing that iritates me anymore is when it seems like a particular country is only flying 1 or 2 planes. I know about a week ago the Knights were being hit by bishops and rooks, even though they each outnumbered us. I was up North defending against the Rooks at base 8. 4 times I upped in a la5 and managed to down a pair of HogCs. The whole time I was there I saw all F4us and 3 N1ks. Despite their altitude advantage, we Knights were slaughtering them; easily downing 2 for every plane we lost. Everytime I would go down to rearm or refuel, there would be an Ostie parked on our runway, shooting those landing and taking off. Finally I got so angry I just decided the best thing was to log without saying a word.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Nice move Mino!
Tell ya what fixes things for me.....
First, squelch ch 1
Second, fly at least 10 sorties all by yourself
Third, Focus only on the flight/fights
Yeah, I'm strange, but we all have our moments so don't feel so bad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ltr
Ice
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A few times I have shot people in their chutes. Usually after they do something dweebish. Like sending the time to climb after a buff. But not catching him before he drops his bombs. About the time I get alt and start to close on them, they bail. I'm not going away with out shooting something.
Of course I won't go on the radio afterwards. I'd rather be thought a dweeb than remove all doubt. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Man do I ever get pissed when someone shoots my chute!!!!!!!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyhow, I don't think people should take the emotions too personally - I think that is what makes the game.
If we were all were a bunch of Mary Poppins on-line, something would be very wrong. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I think the high strung emotions are directly related to the quality and immersion of the game.
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mercy is good...please show me as much as possible and dont shoot me at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
hazed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Occasionally I shoot people down when ditching, but 9 out of 10 times I let them try. I try not to shoot chutes as well, but sometimes I've been known to out of frustration.
I hate the 'vulchers' as well. People who jump in to finish the already doomed badguy.
But what really pisses me off is my fellow Knights! The ones who see you 1v1 with the enemy and don't take time to assess the situation and jump right into the fight. I try not to 'gangbang' the enemy. If I see a fellow country man engaged and he is at the advantage, I circle above and wait to zoom in and clear his tail if need be, or to warn him about and/or engage other enemies that might be coming into the fight. He might be having the time of his life with this 'bogie' and not want me interfering with his fun. I also hate seeing 3 or more cons chasing anyone, especially me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Just yesterday I was engaged with a Rook 109 in my P38. I had the alt advantage and was booming and zooming him, trying to line up a good shot. He was very skilled, and successfully countered my attacks for quite some time. We were near an enemy field but he refused to run for the ack for cover <S>. After about 3-5 mins of this, we ended up lower and lower, down to about 2k. I was watching his reactions, and adjusting my moves for his counters, closing the gap and about to finally get a good shot when out of nowhere a fellow Knight in his 205 showed up to 'join the fun'. I kept my mouth shut and called out to the Rook pilot on channel 1 that I was 'out of the fight' because there is nothing I hate more myself than somebody else who comes in and spoils a good fight, no matter if I have the advantage or not, or wether it be another enemy or friendly.
Why the hell don't you "Boneheads" circle above and watch for hi enemies inbd and keep your fellow country mates 6 clear if he/she gets in trouble? Why do you have to 'swoop' in and take a shot? Most of you would have died in the war, and rightfully so.
That's what pisses me off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
ts
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Here's a nice little story I came across a few weeks ago..
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/sakai/sakai.htm (http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/sakai/sakai.htm)
cp
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Confucius say man who walk sideways through airport is going to Bangkok.
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I shoot a chute if all the cons are gone and that's the only target remaiing. I'll shoot a chute of they're 'hangin' about a but too long and could be reporting back to thier buds what we might be doing or heading. And I'll ALWAYS try to finish the job and not let a plane go for the ditch. I want the message that I nailed you. Save the chivalry for Waldo Pepper.
-Westy
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I'm with Tshred here, and it is exactly what I do. Of course I have been yelled at by guys that were shot down because the situation reversed on them, but... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I won't spoil a good fight between two guys unless called.
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LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I now find myself in yet another dilemma. I guess posting up a thread like this, it gets read.
So yesterday in the MA, a player just kind of goes a little out of his/her way to provoke me on channel 1.
This was after I had managed to auger (yet again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) in a plane I was not very familiar with. The taunting line was like "I must be a great pilot for making you auger". Announced multiple times on channel 1.
This other person was flying in a chog.
Man was it hard, I really really really hate chog's and consider most who fly them to be only "hide behind my guns chog dweebs"........
After only a minimum of banter on my part, proudly I managed to actually pull it off --> .squelch XXXXXX
To be honest, I had more fun the rest of the evening, and kind of sort of had the feeling I got "One UP"!
Duck and Run! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble
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Mino:"hide behind my guns chog Dweebs"........
Funny, I feel that way about Nikis, except they're superior to the Chog by a long shot, but I'm not about to critisize someone for flying something that they're good in.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 10-20-2000).]
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*NO* MERCY for dweebC or niki drivers,I`ll go for the chute kill regardless if it means their buddys might get the kill on me.
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Guys,
you are confusing the Main Arena with some kind of realistic environment while it is not even suppose to be that.
In a special event or scenario you would not follow a wounded enemy if it caused you to leave formation and risk the main objective.
You would not go chasing chutes and wasting fuel or ammo.
At the same time returning to base from a sortie you would kill any damaged or ditching enemy plane because that adds points to your side and removes an enemy pilot from the game - just like in real life.
miko