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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on March 31, 2003, 08:06:23 PM
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Seeing those Challengers and your soldiers along side ours is a beutiful thing and it is great that there are at least some big western European powers who have maintained a sense decency and responsibilty in a decade of European weakness, indecisiveness and self imposed irrelevance.
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Australian Fighter Pilots, Soldiers and Sailors are there also.
We few, we forgotten few.....
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Stop that! I, for one( I'm sure there's more), recognize and appeciate you guys! True and loyal to the cause. Brave and dedicated to the task.
Keep that up, though ... and before long you may develop a "Canadian"-style complex. ;)
Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Australian Fighter Pilots, Soldiers and Sailors are there also.
We few, we forgotten few.....
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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Australian Fighter Pilots, Soldiers and Sailors are there also.
We few, we forgotten few.....
We're just lost in the numbers old boy, specially the RAAF boys.
I think HMAS Anzac was mentioned once when she supported the Marines when they got stuck landing at Umm Qasr.
And HMAS Kanimbla did capture that tug full of sea mines got a mention too...
But the boys doing the real buisness will probably never get a mention are the SASR and 4RAR Commando's, who are up to their necks in it.
(http://news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,3600,245955,00.jpg)
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
We're just lost in the numbers old boy, specially the RAAF boys.
Tronsky
I'll tell you what doesn't get lost in the numbers, and that's the Australian SOF over there. They definately rank with the world's best, if not #1 themselves.
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ummm, fellas; the swiss have the cup... you all wouldn't be thinking of a lil detour on yer trip, fer a fast snatch and grab... would yas?
please?
;)
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thx to ALL the coalition forces.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
ummm, fellas; the swiss have the cup... you all wouldn't be thinking of a lil detour on yer trip, fer a fast snatch and grab... would yas?
please?
;)
That alone should be reason enough to war on the swiss next. All three of the big players in Iraq have reason.
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Originally posted by Martlet
That alone should be reason enough to war on the swiss next. All three of the big players in Iraq have reason.
thas whut i wuz thinkin... shall we ask the brits to officiate?
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yanks, aussies and brits
ass kickin' yet again in the name of freedom...
wtg!
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Aussies. Overlooked on occasion but not unappreciated. Aussies were probably the best jungle fighters the West fielded during the Vietnam war. Col. David Hackworth, who was one of the few proponents of fighting the Vietcong using Vietcong tactics, relied heavliy on Australian experience/advisors when training his troops in this type of combat and when developing the US Army Jungle Combat primer. He was not particularly popular up the chain of command for relying on "outsiders," but he could see who was doing it right.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
Aussies. Overlooked on occasion but not unappreciated. Aussies were probably the best jungle fighters the West fielded during the Vietnam war. Col. David Hackworth, who was one of the few proponents of fighting the Vietcong using Vietcong tactics, relied heavliy on Australian experience/advisors when training his troops in this type of combat and when developing the US Army Jungle Combat primer. He was not particularly popular up the chain of command for relying on "outsiders," but he could see who was doing it right.
Charon
Aussie diggers learn't alot of their jungle craft from actions fighting communist insurgents in Malaya and Borneo.
Australian tactics relied on stealthy platoon sized patrols using hand signals, usually inserted by helicopter or APC. The patrols would for about 5 or 6 days before resupply so the enemy would not be able to track the patrols so easily.
Also importantly Australian battalions rotated out of vietnam as a unit, and in 1966 Australian battalions were usually 50% conscript, and 50% regular, with number of national service (conscript) officers. A national servicemen could opt to continue his service in australia and could not be forced to go to Vietnam.
I would recommend any book by Gary McKay on the subject.
Tronsky
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Indeed, thanks to all coalition forces! The Brits are getting a
little more coverage now, less misidentification. Knew the
Aussies were in country but they hardly get any mention in
the press. I think that's a good thing though, they can do
their job with less interference. Finally got to see desert
AUSCAM during one of the televised CENTCOM briefings being
worn by a quiet Aussie standing behind the general who was
giving the brief. I notice Tronski's pic with the AR (M4?)... so
is it the same situtation as in the UK where reg troops are issued
one arm (L85A1 in UK, AUG in Australia), but the SAS select the
M4?
mauser
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The best thing about fighting with the U.K. guys is that you know they won''t be doing crap we have have to explain like rape and plunder...
lazs
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Excuse this brief hijacking of the thread, but I have a doubt regarding the standart firearm they carry.
You guys seem to have plenty of experiences with real rifles and carbines, so here's the question:
What do you think about the Steyr AUG and why isn't it used by more armies in the world? I've heard things about being very expensive and that bullpup-style weapons have some cons of which I'm not aware.
Care to shed some light on the subject? Thanks.
Daniel
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Cyrano: One of the cons about bullpups in general is location
of the ejection port. If you're left handed and try to fire a
weapon with the ejection port on the right side of the weapon,
you'll get a face full of hot brass. This is not true for all bullpup
weapons - I heard the FN2000 deals with this differently.
Another con may be balance of the weapon - I've heard that
the L85 is stock-end heavy. Makes sense since
ammunition and most of the action is back there. However,
"normal" configuration rifles (like the H&K G3) can be too
muzzle heavy. There's probably more, but there are those who
know more about this (Gman?) and I'm just repeating what I've
learned in the past.
On the subject, here's an article from FOX:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82796,00.html
Good job! Urban combat is full of hazards!
mauser
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Originally posted by mauser
Indeed, thanks to all coalition forces! The Brits are getting a
little more coverage now, less misidentification. Knew the
Aussies were in country but they hardly get any mention in
the press. I think that's a good thing though, they can do
their job with less interference. Finally got to see desert
AUSCAM during one of the televised CENTCOM briefings being
worn by a quiet Aussie standing behind the general who was
giving the brief. I notice Tronski's pic with the AR (M4?)... so
is it the same situtation as in the UK where reg troops are issued
one arm (L85A1 in UK, AUG in Australia), but the SAS select the
M4?
mauser
That pic is of some of our navy clearance divers and as far as I know your correct, only the reg troops are issued with the Steyr.
The standard weapons of the SASR is generally the M-4, and the Minimi (and of course the ubiquitous HK variants).
SASR in Afghanistan
(http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/factsheets/SAS/C0225602lo.jpg)
The commandos of 4RAR are similarly armed
4RAR in Iraq
(http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/images/gallery/240303/JPAU17MAR03DH07_lo.jpg)
Tronsky
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Ive heard that US pacific theatre ww2 forces would have been in alot of trouble were it not for the jungle training the Aussies gave them.
just wondering if ya'll heard anything about that?
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Yes..! Thank you Great Britain and Australia. While most of Europe seems to have sunk into a 'Moral Swamp' it's great comfort to see you are both still 'island's' of courage. If you ever need help, you know we'll be there....
Salute!
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Salute our Allies...45 +countries now..The first 100 tons of food/supplies was donated by Kuwait...
And the Steyr(bullpup)..I never liked it,.,friend has one..i was never fond of the way the plastic was on it...just seemd like it wasnt "tight"...
But..at what $1,800?...i m thinkng its quality...
i really liked some of the Fabrique Int rifles..wooo hooo