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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kieren on October 20, 2000, 02:02:00 PM
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I will fly anything I want.
I don't care if it's uber/unter.
I don't care if I'm a dweeb.
I don't care if everyone thinks I need to be in something else.
I don't care if people think I need to fly their way.
I don't care if people are upset I won't fight their war.
I don't care to harrass other pilots on the open channel.
I don't care if my chute gets strafed.
I don't care if the other side "wins".
I don't care about score.
I don't care if I lose a good fight.
The one and only thing I care about when I log on is whether or not I can have fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And I don't care if anyone whines about whatever my ride-du-jour is killing them.
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give em HELL Kieren!!!
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Was it something I said? like: "Chogs are for dweebs?" or "F4U1C -AH gaming device, just plug in and pull trigger, no skill required"?
Sorry if it was me, sorry if it wasnt!
Anyhoo...I certainly wouldnt worry about it.
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My problem is I keep thinking of AH as something lofty, something special built with precision and care, but when I see it evolve into a arcade dweebfest I get frustrated.
Bear with me though, I think I will be ok!
Kevin
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 10-20-2000).]
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You MUST be a republican! <G,D,R>
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The time u took to post this shows that you actually care. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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F'in "A" Bubba!
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Yeager I don't fly the 1c much,but I am curious about its uberness. Please make a film of you getting about a 10 kill sorti in it.
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But Kieren deep down you really do care . That's what is bothering you . You know it shouldn't but it still does doesn't it ?
Even though as adults we know that it shouldn't matter what other "birdbrains" (my word) think it will still bother a thoughfull caring person as yourself .
Take care Kieren there's more like you out there than you think but most are very quite I think .
SR <--- who gave up online combat and feels one hell of a lot better for it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PS: Just to let you know I care .
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YEAH!!!
what she said (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I don't care to care either, if anyone cares for my opinion.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 10-20-2000).]
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Wish there were alot more guys like you out there Kieren.
90% of the banter in the MA is made up of 3% of the players.... and it sounds like a broken record.
Ok ok yeah.... We KNOW how you feel about the CHOG.... We KNOW that you can spell dweeb correctly. Now what do you want?... Get over yerselves.
Some of you guys (<cough> Zig (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ) really need to get beyond this stuff. I'm not speaking from a place of frustration about this, I'm speaking from tedium. YOU GUYS ARE BORING THE %^$*$ OUT OF ME. You've made *your* point, now shut the hell up and fly.
Have a nice day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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<sniff,sniff> I care.
What was the question again?
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Fatty
Fat Drunk Bastards (http://fdb.50megs.com)
"Studies show that over 95% of whines come from whiners."
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I care.
Those two 1945 era pacific planes (f4u-1c and n1k) do not belong in the arena IMHO with the euro planeset.
Myself, i don't like latewar pac stuff. I love the -42 and -43 era stuff tho (lets see some p38-f, f4f, f6f, f4u-1a, zeke, tony, p40 etcera)
I don't like all this i wanna fly the uberest thing players like the c hog and nik drivers out there.
I have no problem with any euro plane in the game in the 1.04 FM, i think they are all pretty fair and can excel in the right hands. All the euro planes have their strengths and weaknesses versus each other. Its the current late war pac planes that throw everything off because matchups like
f4u-1c versus p47
N1k versus c.205
f4u-1c versus fw 190
are situations where 1 planes hold ALL (or nearly so) the cards so they should IMHO be perked. The thing is that planes are put in without their contemporaries. the way I see it, the N1k and the f4u-1c are pretty much contemporary, and versus each other they each have strenths and weaknesses. But versus other planes this is not the case.
In the euro planeset, things work out alot better. Matchups like
109g10 versus p51d (contemporary)
p47 vs fw-190a8 (contemporary)
109 g2 or c.205 or fw190-a5 versus spit 9 (contemporary)
all these matchups above are fun matchups, each plane has strengths and weaknesses. same with nik versus f4u-1c, both have strengths and weaknesses versus each other. Its just stuff like the fact that the best b-17 kiler in the game isn't the 190 bothers me.
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its the 12-fold path to AH enlightenment - you are the true anti-whiner kieren...ohmmm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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mrfish
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Well said Keiren!
And dito for me too!
(Although some tour in the future I may care about score again.)
eskimo
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,,Fun to have a fun,, to have a god time ,, well everybody like something alse i em not a sado maso who have fun to be kiled all the time with frekin ufos and 1 km caliber laser canons :-))
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I have no problem with flying yber-planes, as long as more than one country has one (Spit XIV, Ta-152, P-47N, something IJN/AF, and so on). Besides, there is a one word answer for this: RPS. When AH fills up its plane set, a RPS would make the early war fighter competetive, and the late-war uber-planes would fly in the last day or so.
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Rendar
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CAN I GIT AN AMEN-AH?
PREACH ON BRUTHA KIEREN!!!
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-20-2000).]
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Zig,
You're entitled to your opinion, and I do respect it. I think, though, that what Kieren is getting at is why do we constantly, *constantly* have to be reading about it when we log on to fly?
Use the boards here, sure, let it all out. Vent away. But spare us a bit in the MA will ya bud? Funny thing is that ya got the young'uns following your lead in spouting off about things they obviously know nothing about. It's become a complete squeakfest in there.
You've stated your position, we read ya loud and clear. We get it. Need you keep harping?
I mean this with all due respect.
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S>!
Ozark
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332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
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Best post in a while Kieren...well said!
<S>
SD
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Originally posted by Zigrat:
... I don't like all this i wanna fly the uberest thing players like the c hog and nik drivers out there.
It's comments like that and rediculous outbursts in the arena about uber this and uber that that makes your opinion count for just about squat.
SOB
Scorepotato NikiDweeb
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Horse walks into a bar after a long days ride and sit down at the bar!
Bartender comes up to the horse and says
"Hey! Why the long face?"
Whoooa boy Whooooa! Whoaaaaa!
Whoooooa boy!
Just so you guys know! I have pride in the way I conduct myself online. If I call you a dweeb then you had better damn well believe it!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 10-20-2000).]
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The reason i keep harping, nash is you obviously don't understand me. The reason is there are distinct groups of planes in aces high where planes within that planeset can compete *reasonably* well with each other (and who wins within that planeset comes down most likely to pilot skill)
So whats my issue? The other planes in its era (p51d, 109g10, f4u-1c) can compete with it (all mid 1944 designs, contemporary to the N1k2). But the russians, the 190 pilots, or the spit drivers dont have their mid 44 planes (La7, spit XIV, and FW190 D9) all have cries about their planes strengths/weaknesses. Clearly in my mind, planes can be grouped into categories
Early war
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202,190f4,spit V
Mid war
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la5,yak9,109g2, 109g6, p47, p38, 190, 205, f4u-1a (not in here yet, wish it was), hellcatp51-B
Late war
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p51-D, 109g10, 190 d9, N1k2, f4u-1c, f4u-4, p47 M,N, La7, Yak 3, Me-262, Tempest
I guess, with me the reason I don't like the late war planes as much as the earlier ones is that by 1944 the war had been decided. Many more brave men died, and alot of fighting still happened, but by early 1944 (after which all of those late war planes were introduced) the outcome of the war was decided. They weren't the planes that won or lost the war, they just finished the last act. the planes in the early and middle middle category are the ones that did that decided the war.
When you hear about the epic battles of WW2, its Kursk, Midway, the Battle of britain, Torch, etcera. Thats what decided the war. As bloody as Okinowa, Battle of teh Ardennes, the Marianas, etcera was, they weren't the battles you read stories about where it was uncertin who the victor would be till the dice was rolled.
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The reason i keep harping, nash is you obviously don't understand me. The reason is there are distinct groups of planes in aces high where ....
Ok, I understand you. Completely.. To the fullest extent. Lightning struck, a choir of Angels broke out in song, and a rainbow suddenly formed right in my damn living room.
I get it. I *hear* you. I comprehend every syllable of every word of every sentence.
Are we done?
Or do I need to hear it again... and again.. and again... and again.... and again?
I think not.
Now for every one of you that still may not get it, please e-mail Zigrat, as I'm sure he'd be happy to explain it, yet again.
To those who get it, please Zig, show us some consideration now.... cease and desist.
It's a drag, man.
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Originally posted by Nash:
Ok, I understand you. Completely.. To the fullest extent. Lightning struck, a choir of Angels broke out in song, and a rainbow suddenly formed right in my damn living room.
I get it. I *hear* you. I comprehend every syllable of every word of every sentence.
First, please post a pic of this rainbow...without film its just pure anecdote and does not validate a thing!
Sure, sure, its your opinion and you read the jacket cover of War and Peace once so you absolutely know that a Prussian horse was faster than a Russian horse (hey it rhymes..hehe)..where was I.....or yeah, so without a film buddy, its just, well....its just horse stuff (see how I tied in the obscure horse reference to further illustrate my already belabored point)!
Also, I thought I got it once, but it turned out to be gas.....oh well, all things being equal, it did feel good to pass that gas.
Cobra
Who only resembles someone with a sense of humor, not ofcourse to confused with someone who actually does have a sense of humor....hello...is this thing on??? Wow tough room.....anyway, I just flew in from Chicago and boy are my arms tired (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 10-20-2000).]
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I hardly think the war was automotically won by 1944. At least, no more so than it was automatically won when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
Consider:
In June 1944, German was almost ready to deploy the V-1. Had it done so before D-day, the masses of troops and supplies all piled up on the English coast may easily have been destroyed, or damaged to the point of indefinately delaying the invasion.
In 1944, Japan made their greatest inroads into China, and were still on the offensive--when in every other theater the axis was on the defensive. During much of 1944, it was no certain thing that China would hold out.
We all know that the ME-262 was delayed more than a year for no good reason. It could easily have turned the tide of the air battle, even before Merlin Mustangs appeared.
Suppose the Japanese succeeded at Leyte and destroyed our invasion forces on the beach. This wasn't impossible, ADM. Kurtia could easily have pulled it off if he hadn't turned around. It wouldn't have changed the final outcome, but would have made the war last quite a bit longer--and maybe bought the Japanese some time to re-fit their remaining carriers (they still had a few).
By early 1944, the Axis was generally on the defensive. Just because they were defensive didn't mean they couldn't win. Indeed, the German situation at the start of 1944 was, in many ways, actually better than the British had faced in 1940.
By 1944, the tide had turned. However, it could have turned back. Be thankful that fate (or divine guidance) worked against the Axis. IMHO, the battles of 1944 aren't "anti-climax", but rather are the true turning point. This is when the bottom fell out for the Axis and they lost their chance of winning. In JAN 1944, they had a reasonable situation and could still have won, with some luck. In DEC 1944, the Axis was smashed and dying. The same thing could just as easily have happened in 1940, except with the Germans winning.
Of course, in hindsight, it is easy to think a allied victory was inevitable. With just a few changes, though, the Axis could have won.
Let's all be glad they didn't.
J_A_B <shudders at the thought of an Axis victory>
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Hey Kieren,
Excellent post, perspective and attitude. You hit the trifecta of AH appreciation. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) And Zig...um...it's the year 2000 and uh....this is a game... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
kbman
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What... what I miss.. what??
Oh... yah.
"I don't care..."
Oh. Well; frankly; I do give a damn. I wanna be able to fly my ride; and face the adverary plane types it was likely to meet.. running into clouds of chogs and spits kinda detracts from immersion... I'd love to have a full time HA.
But; till that happens; I don't care. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hehhehheee...
Hang
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Perk everything except the pre '42 planeset.
RPS.
HA.
Scenarios.
MA.
Fury
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god zig you know better than to dissagree and not stop lol. you bad man
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AMEN, BROTHER KIEREN! PREACH ON!
May I add?
I dont care how I killed ya, you are still dead.
I dont care how you shoot me down, Im still dead.
I dont care if I piss you off because I dont fight your fight.
-Ding
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Originally posted by easymo:
Yeager I don't fly the 1c much,but I am curious about its uberness. Please make a film of you getting about a 10 kill sorti in it.
Heck if i can kill in it, it must be UBER !!
Whels