Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Jester on April 03, 2003, 01:33:46 AM
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This is a question & proposal for HTC:
We have seen multiple requests for all types of aircraft from many countries: KI-84, KI, 43, KI-44, B-25, P-61, B-24, HE-177, DO217, HE-111, BW-239, I-16, MIG-3, PE-2, PZL.11, D.520 just to name a few. But due to the time limits of the HTC crew we only get a couple every release.
There are MANY talented people here in AH that would contribute research and work on the projects for free just to get a chance to see and fly their favorite warbirds in the air. Not just aircraft but loadouts for the aircraft we already have.
HTC, why don't you let a comittee of volunteers organize with you in Directoral & Technical Control to work on these projects and make the game better for everyone that playes it. You could have each sigh a non-disclosure form before you put them to work.
They did this over in Warbirds and I know there were many who offered to work on the project. You already let players submitt skins - this is just a step up and will make the game more interesting for all of us that fly.
Please think about it. !
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77182
i was trolling about that som months ago:D
ramzey
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Is there not anyone else out there interested in this???
Come on, bound to be with all the requests I hear out there for a constant supply of new aircraft. While it is much easier to "carp and whine" about what aircraft we need - that energy would best be spent helping HTC get us the aircraft we want.
Come on and jump on the bandwagon. The more that piles on the sooner it will start rolling.
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Gloster Gladiator and (more importantly) Gloster Meteor Mk.III!!!!!!
btw i will help, but im unskilled and lazy. The intention is there though :D
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if you search a bit you will find people have been asking this question since almost day one.
the reply is no every time.
after the 50th thread and no really good explanation everyone else gave up.
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imho no ansver buecose:
1. THC dont need be accused of using illegal copies of softwere to creating 3d models, like il2 was. Most il2 planes maked by voluntiers was created on stolen software.
Thats why HTC make Terrain Editor application for creating terrains. HiTech was looking for cheap or free software whichone give us chance to create simply 3d models /buildings, fortification.... etc./ Thats small step forverd but allways forvard.
Since 4 months HT not give ansver, he chose or not. We will see.
2.HTC use very expensive and advenced software to create planes, 3d models and whole virtual AH world. Its not easy to convert to this program without many hours spend by htc crew on it. Convert tools are not perfect.
If people start create own models its hard to keep control which model should be done first. high whine possibility, HTC not like that;)
3.Quality control and data for FM. Hard to get details of not popular planes. That need many work , if HTC will keep quality
All thats only my suspicions not HT statment, but i understand it.
Will be nice to read Pyro voice about that, but im allmost sure he not type anything. Company politics;)
ramzey
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One of the sins of poor management is the unutilization of assets and skills for the ultimate goal. I know there could be legal issues but to have this much information and research at Hitech's fingertips is an utter waste. Andi alone could provide enough research details to do the LW planes. Imagine what could be done with the others here that have data. I thought I knew a lot before coming to AH, looks like I didn't know crapola. And, to repeat it again, the lack of a Ki-84 in AH is a huge hole in an otherwise wonderful plane inventory.
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avatar cheaf:eek:
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Hehehehehe, cool ain't it!!! ;)
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IMHO this is nice in theory.... in practice this is just BEGGING for all sorts trouble. Potential legal issues are just the tip of the iceberg here.
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mby yes, mby not, ask Pyro, not me:cool:
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Not to mention the double work. Anything done and submitted by a player would have to be double-checked and verified by HTC. If they have to go through all that trouble, why not just keep it all in house and do it themselves?
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yes, and not
somtimes its hard to find , small bugs fast
anyway HTC crews need to spend som time on this
Btw who do what job?
Since im here /over year/ Pyro not make statment about players help to create new aircrafts. As i remember
ramzey
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So, whats to keep someone from "fudging" the data just a little bit to make his/her favorite aircraft perform better?
Its not likely that someone would do it, but it can be done. And how do you determine whose source is the right one? I mean, we see that already. Someone comes forth with some info about the top speed of whatever plane and then somebody else shows up with info from a totally different source that says something totally different.
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Soulyss & Sling, I don't understand what your opposition is to a plan that doesn't even exist yet. The object of setting up the committee is to get over all this and get some work progressing toward new a/c to be added to AH for the enjoyment of all.
Souylyss, to anwser you statement - yes, maybe, but that is the object of the committee - to see that nothing like that is done. With input from HTC, an approved system to work under could be set up thereby avoiding all legal problems.
Sling, to answer your statement, the same thing. To submitt an aircraft design to be added to AH you would have to submitt all the sources you have for it's performance.
As for "Fudging" the data on a/c you can probably find NUMEROUS different figures on the aircraft we already have in AH. Just listening to all the posts on the BBS is enough to prove this. Still they are there and we are flying them.
As for the statement on people doing double work - again the committe could keep track of who is doing work on what to avoid this therefore others could move on to other a/c projects on the list.
Folks, there are most likely 10,000 reasons why this won't work - the object is to figure out what it will take to make it so IT WILL WORK.
Now all we need to do is hear from HTC. ;)
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we have heard HT 100 times on this subject he has said no every time.
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Originally posted by Andijg
As for "Fudging" the date on a/c you can probably find NUMEROUS different figures on the aircraft we already have in AH. Just listening to all the posts on the BBS is enough to prove this.
Thats my exact point. As it is now, HTC has their sources. But people still argue that "their" source shows that so and so plane is 5 miles faster on the deck than HTC's source.
Now take a group of people who aren't HTC and have them put the data together. The whines would multiply by an infinite amount. And I dont think that is something that HTC wants to submit themselves to.
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missunderstand
Voluntiers can create only 3D model, skins, and storage data.
How HTC use this to create FM, and DMG model depends only from HTC who have MUCH bigger expirience then any of us.
HTC cant promice model u build will be plug in to AH2
HTC can show ways which of planes can be included in game.
Its not like wish list, and unorganized creating. Before somone start his work should have agreement of HTC. Other way crate it for yourself only, thats mean for satisfaction only.
Im sure if HTC give us possibilyty of build custom planes. Players start create bunch of national famus aircraft, low numbers used.
And sub-versions of main versions current aircrafts.
Thats why somone from HTC or TE team should coordinate this project. Buecose for longer time not much "creators" will left and show enough patience.
3D model and skins, nothing more. All rest depends from HTC
ramzey
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I like your idea Andijg, but I don't think HT will permitt it.
I doubt they even check these topics..
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gimme the p47N
that is all
move along.....
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
gimme the p47N
Agree! it was designed to escort the B36's I thought.
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One of the key problems with this otherwise great idea, is that you will almost always get statistics and such from people with a vested interest in that particular aircraft....and hence, you will not get unbiased information, or to put it more nicely....HT will have to spend just as much time verifying the info as they would just gathering it themselves....maybe more.
In any case, the onus falls on HT to keep things in balance, and we must therefore leave it to them to decide what to include, and how to model it.
that said HOWEVER!
There is not any compelling reason we cannot have use made skins, checked and even modified as needed, but giving those willing to invest time, something very nice to add to the community. HT could decide if they wanted a skin to be included and would of course have to limit the total number for each plane, but I dont think it would take much time to do this in the long run. It could be set as an option in the menu system, so that those with puters that would have trouble with the added texture set would be able to use the defaults, but others could have their textures included in the next executable.
Not sure if this is hard/impossible because of the current programs structure, but I sure would like to see it.
(http://www.combathanger.com/signature-new.gif)
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P47N was initialy designed for the pacific theater and had way better range, climb, speed and maneuverability compared with the D models. Im sure that any of the 56th guys know more.
Here is one link to it and i have many more:
http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic8.html
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Nice site Nilsen! :)
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Nilsen , frank3 u pork this thread to usual board whine:(
ramzey
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Originally posted by ramzey
Nilsen , frank3 u pork this thread to usual board whine:(
ramzey
Whoops! sry, forgot this thread was about a Supplie Commitee.
But I already showed my opinion :)