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FYI..and no, I cannot reveal my sources..Just remember you learned about it on the AH BBs first!
March 21, 2003
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>The following is a copy of Mary (Ann) Wright's letter of resignation to
>Secretary of State Colin Powell. Wright was most recently the deputy
>chief of mission at the U.S. embassy in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. She helped
>open
>the U.S. embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, in January 2002.
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>U.S. Embassy, Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia
>March 19, 2003
>Secretary of State Colin Powell
>US Department of State
>Washington, DC 20521
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>Dear Secretary Powell:
>
>When I last saw you in Kabul in January, 2002 you arrived to officially
>open the US Embassy that I had helped reestablish in December, 2001 as the
>first political officer. At that time I could not have imagined that I
would
>be writing a year later to resign from the Foreign Service because of US
>policies. All my adult life I have been in service to the United
>States.. I have been a diplomat for fifteen years and the Deputy
>Chief of Mission in our Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia, Afghanistan
>(briefly) and
>Mongolia.
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>I have also had assignments in Somalia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Grenada
>and Nicaragua. I received the State Department's Award for Heroism as
Charge
>d'Affaires during the evacuation of Sierra Leone in 1997. I was 26 years
>in the US Army/Army Reserves and participated in civil reconstruction
>projects after military operations in Grenada, Panama and Somalia. I
>attained the rank of Colonel during my military service.
>
>This is the only time in my many years serving America that I have felt
>I cannot represent the policies of an Administration of the United
>States. I disagree with the Administration's policies on Iraq, the
>Israeli-Palestinian conflict, North Korea and curtailment of civil
>liberties in the U.S. itself. I believe the Administration's policies are
>making the world a more dangerous, not a safer, place. I feel obligated
>morally and
>professionally to set out my very deep and firm concerns on these
>policies and to resign from government service as I cannot defend or
>implement them.
>
>I hope you will bear with my explanation of why I must resign. After
>thirty years of service to my country, my decision to resign is a huge step
>and
>I want to be clear in my reasons why I must do so.
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>I disagree with the Administration's policies on Iraq.
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>I wrote this letter five weeks ago and held it hoping that the
>Administration would not go to war against Iraq at this time without
>United Nations Security Council agreement. I strongly believe that going to
>war
>now will make the world more dangerous, not safer.
>
>There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein is a despicable dictator and has
>done incredible damage to the Iraqi people and others of the region. I
>totally support the international community's demand that Saddam's regime
>destroy weapons of mass destruction.
>
>However, I believe we should not use US military force without UNSC
>agreement to ensure compliance. In our press for military action now, we
>have
>created deep chasms in the international community and in important
>international organizations. Our policies have alienated many of our allies
>and
>created ill will in much of the world.
>
>Countries of the world supported America's action in Afghanistan as a
>response to the September 11 Al Qaida attacks on America. Since then,
>America has lost the incredible sympathy of most of the world because of
our
>policy toward Iraq. Much of the world considers our statements about Iraq
as
>arrogant, untruthful and masking a hidden agenda. Leaders of moderate
>Moslem/Arab countries warn us about predicable outrage and anger of the
>youth of their countries if America enters an Arab country with the
>purpose of attacking Moslems/Arabs, not defending them. Attacking the
>Saddam regime in Iraq now is very different than expelling the same regime
>from
>Kuwait, as we did ten years ago.
>
>I strongly believe the probable response of many Arabs of the region and
>Moslems of the world if the US enters Iraq without UNSC agreement will
>result in actions extraordinarily dangerous to America and Americans.
>Military
>action now without UNSC agreement is much more dangerous for America and
>the world than allowing the UN weapons inspections to proceed and
>subsequently taking UNSC authorized action if warranted.
>
>I firmly believe the probability of Saddam using weapons of mass
>destruction is low, as he knows that using those weapons will trigger
>an immediate, strong and justified international response. There will be no
>question
>of action against Saddam in that case. I strongly disagree with the use of
>a "preemptive attack" against Iraq and believe that this preemptive attack
>policy
>will be used against us and provide justification for individuals and
groups
>to "preemptively attack" America and American citizens.
>
>The international military build-up is providing pressure on the regime
>that is resulting in a slow, but steady disclosure of Weapons of Mass
>Destruction (WMD). We should give the weapons inspectors time to do
>their job. We should not give extremist Moslems/ Arabs a further cause to
>hate
>America, or give moderate Moslems a reason to join the extremists.
>Additionally, we must
>reevaluate keeping our military forces in the Middle East, particularly
>in Saudi Arabia. Their presence on the Islamic "holy soil" of Saudi Arabia
>will be an anti-American rally cry for Moslems as long as the US military
>remains and a strong reason, in their opinion, for actions against the US
>government and American citizens.
>
>Although I strongly believe the time in not yet right for military
>action in Iraq, as a soldier who has been in several military
>operations, I hope General Franks, US and coalition forces can accomplish
>the
>missions they will be ordered do without loss of civilian or military life
>and without
>destruction of the Iraqi peoples' homes and livelihood. I strongly urge
>the Department of State to attempt again to stop the policy that is leading
>us to military action in Iraq without UNSC agreement. Timing is everything
>and
>this is not yet the time for military action.
>
>I disagree with the Administration's lack of effort in resolving the
>Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Likewise, I cannot support the lack of
>effort by the Administration to use its influence to resurrect the
>Israeli-Palestinian peace process. As Palestinian suicide bombers kill
>Israelis
>and Israeli military operations kill Palestinians and destroy Palestinian
>towns
>and cities, the Administration has done little to end the violence. We must
>exert our
>considerable financial influence on the Israelis to stop destroying
>cities and on the Palestinians to curb its youth suicide bombers. I hope
the
>Administration's long-needed "Roadmap for Peace" will have the human
>resources and political capital needed to finally make some progress
>toward peace.
>
>I disagree with the Administration's lack of policy on North Korea
>
>Additionally, I cannot support the Administration's position on North
>Korea. With weapons, bombs and missiles, the risks that North Korea poses
>are
>too great to ignore. I strongly believe the Administration's lack of
>substantive discussion, dialogue and engagement over the last two years has
>jeopardized security on the peninsula and the region. The situation
>with North Korea is dangerous for us to continue to neglect.
>
>I disagree with the Administration's policies on Unnecessary Curtailment
>of Rights in America. Further, I cannot support the Administration's
>unnecessary curtailment of civil rights following September 11. The
>investigation
>of those suspected of ties with terrorist organizations is critical but the
>legal system of America for 200 years has been based on standards that
>provide
>protections for persons during the investigation period. Solitary
>confinement without
>access to legal counsel cuts the heart out of the legal foundation on
>which our country stands. Additionally, I believe the Administration's
>secrecy in the
>judicial process has created an atmosphere of fear to speak out against the
>gutting of the protections on which America was built and the protections
we
>encourage other countries
>to provide to their citizens.
>
>Resignatio
>
>I have served my country for almost thirty years in the some of the most
>isolated and dangerous parts of the world. I want to continue to serve
>America. However, I do not believe in the policies of this
>Administration and cannot defend or implement them. It is with heavy
>heart that I must end my service to America and therefore resign due to the
>Administration's policies.
>
>Mr. Secretary, to end on a personal note, under your leadership, we have
>made great progress in improving the organization and administration of the
>Foreign Service and the Department of State. I want to thank you for
>your extraordinary efforts to that end. I hate to leave the Foreign
Service,
>and I wish you and our colleagues well.
>
>Very Respectfully,
>
>Mary A. Wright, FO-01
>
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Checks out on Snopes...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wright.php
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One less lefty in the State Department. Now she can go on to her next carreer as a college professor.
ra
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condensed version::
> saddam is a bad man , but not bad enough to do anything about.
> after 30 years of messing things up in the state dept i am going to take a fat retirement and get a teaching job at berkeley
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I see we have the usual reasoned response and rational counter-argument in evidence.
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you too gayboy.
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Found this in the flight sim thread on usenet. Wonder what Ms Wright will have to say to the soon to be liberated Iraqis about her opposition to their freedom.
http://assyrianchristians.com/i_was_wrong_mar_26_03.htm
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can't ..stop ...looking ...at....irons ....avatar.........can't ....stop.........look... ......................
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she gave 30 years of her life for your country and this is the only assinine comments you can come up with......
your trailer trash comments are exceptional....
very smart people...I wonder how many more people need to resign before you understand how much Monkey brains has fugged his Foreign Relations Affairs.
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SLO: she gave 30 years of her life for your country and this is the only assinine comments you can come up with......
your trailer trash comments are exceptional....
Why a surprise? Oh, I see. You are a canadian. Well, that's the way we do things here.
If we need people to feel gratefuul to, we just invent them. Much less bother than the real ones.
miko
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Originally posted by SLO
your trailer trash comments are exceptional....
I find your arrogant "trailer trash" comment to be offensive. Affluency doesn't equal intelligence or character. I'ts been decades but I have lived in mobile homes. It was all I could afford at the time, even though I was in the military and also working a part time job.
To look down on someone purely because of their financial status is characterless.
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AKIron
amen brother! I'm forwarding that Assyrian post to my skeptical friend. I know of one Arab country that will like us after this war: Iraq :)
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Stick a fork in that one. :D
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very smart people...I wonder how many more people need to resign before you understand how much Monkey brains has fugged his Foreign Relations Affairs.
I see the light! All the other Foreign Service Officers who have not resigned over this war are spineless idiots. Only this DCM from East B.F. has the intelligence and cajones to do whats right!
BTW, being a FSO is a pretty good paying job, not like being in the military. So her 'service' worked both ways. Good riddance. I'm sure the NY Times will hire her.
ra
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Don't know her but looks like she read some of my posts :)
Get her little commie prettythang!
30 years workin for US, big laugh, we all know she is a spy of Russia, payed by Saddam Hussein :D
Get her citizenship now and send her to Saddam,she is in no doubt anti-american!!!
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous- It's a classic bloody 'Aggression War'
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Looks like Germany may be coming around Blitz, you may have to move to France.
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Man, if a-holes could fly, this place would be an online multiplayer flight simula---
(voice breaks off abruptly...)
:)
Gainsie
(scribbling notes...)
I guess anyone that agrees with Bush is stupid, right wing, and genocidal, and anyone who disagrees is left wing, liberal, and educated?
Get a grip, people, sheesh...:(
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you too gayboy.
I know you'd like that, but you see, the whole gay thing was a joke. I'm sorry if it's got you all worked up. I'm sure someone out there will be able to fulfill your urges.
I refer you to my earlier comment.
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If she was posted to a backwater posting such as the one in Ulaanbaatar, her career was pretty much dead in the water to begin with. I think she just used the war as an excuse to get out of a stagnated career that had no hopes of further advancement for her.
Ack-Ack
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Good for her, she disagreed with the polices and acted out on that disagrrement in a curageus and risky move. Much better than most people on either side. I disagree with her view of couurse but its cool that she actually did it.
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anyone on the right ever think of a non character assasination argument? ever ?
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grun posted while i was writing
grun i dissagree but am damn glad you there.
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Seems she basically feels we should wait until a brutal insane madman kills thousands with WMD, ingore the torture and killing of innocents before anyone acts.
If she had been in Govt service in the early 40s, maybe she would have been against the US becoming involved in the war against the Nazis, maybe she would have thought it was okay to ignore the death camps too?
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Originally posted by SLO
very smart people...I wonder how many more people need to resign before you understand how much Monkey brains has fugged his Foreign Relations Affairs.
A reuters article on the retirement (dated 20 March, 3 days before the date on the letter:confused: ) claims that 5 diplomats left the foreign service during the 1990s over US unwillingness to get involved in Bosnia.
No matter which way you go, you are going to lose people.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Dowding
I know you'd like that, but you see, the whole gay thing was a joke. I'm sorry if it's got you all worked up. I'm sure someone out there will be able to fulfill your urges.
I refer you to my earlier comment.
Dowding, I thought we agreed no to talk about our "vacation?" :eek:
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I don't see what the big deal is. In her post, she had to represent the current administration to her hosting country. She opposes the war, wasn't able so do her job professionally, and resigned.
It was the right thing to do.
Besides, it's not her fault she's a moron. All these countries, and idiots on the various message boards actually think we give a crap what they think. Look at 75% of their posts. Blatant lies and/or misrepresentation of the truth, in an atetempt to slander the US.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Besides, it's not her fault she's a moron. All these countries, and idiots on the various message boards actually think we give a crap what they think. Look at 75% of their posts. Blatant lies and/or misrepresentation of the truth, in an atetempt to slander the US.
Bet she reads AH messageboard all day to get some ideas about american foreign policy :D
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous- It's a classic bloody 'Aggression War'
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All these countries, and idiots on the various message boards actually think we give a crap what they think. Look at 75% of their posts. Blatant lies and/or misrepresentation of the truth, in an atetempt to slander the US.
I dont know if you write these things without thinking, or if you elaborate them too.
Second option would be very worrying :D
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Originally posted by stegor
I dont know if you write these things without thinking, or if you elaborate them too.
Second option would be very worrying :D
Go make me a pizza.
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Ah that last comment sure summs you up Tardlet.
On Topic: A diplomat sending her resignation by email, doubtfull.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Ah that last comment sure summs you up Tardlet.
On Topic: A diplomat sending her resignation by email, doubtfull.
I make pizza?
On topic: As usual, you start running your mouth before checking the facts. It is true.
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STFU, Blitch.[/b]
(http://www.gawth.com/~desolate/dieter.jpg)
I'm as happy as a little girl. - Dieter aka "Blitz"
:D
Some Dieter quotes:
"Vhy is it that the truly brilliant are doomed to a life of obscurity, surrounded by a sea of mediocrity, only to end up covered in sores in a pool of their own filth? Oh vell, the beat goes on."
"Vould you like to touch my monkey? Touch him! Love him! Liebe meine abst-monkey."
"Textures intrigue me."
"A fat man and a shprinkler are soon together."----Old Bavarian adage
"Yes, Ve are doomed and I am filled with remorse, and it is most delicious."
"Sadly, Klaus is limited. But he is beautiful, is he not?"
At Dieter's Dance Party , in response to a record being rated -3 on a scale of 1 to 14, Dieter says, "Sadly, there are no integers on this scale, so your gangly adolescent attempt to be clever has proved futile."
"You are beautiful and angular."
"Now is the time on Sprockets vhen ve dance."
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Martlet elaborated:
Go make me a pizza.
Uh...Uh.... here it comes your real attitude:D
No more proclamation then??;)
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Originally posted by stegor
Martlet elaborated:
Uh...Uh.... here it comes your real attitude:D
No more proclamation then??;)
suggestion: look up the proper usage of the word- elaborate.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Man, if a-holes could fly, this place would be an online multiplayer flight simula---
(voice breaks off abruptly...
LOL,
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They could get a snotty resignation letter out of me merely by trying to post me to Ulaanbaatar.
This sounds to me about as earthshaking as news that a white house janitor quit in protest.
Hooligan
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blitz: America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous- It's a classic bloody 'Aggression War'
Not true, blitz. Germany and France (and few other minor countries) introduced Euro - and Iraq was the first country to refuse to accept dollar in favor of Euro.
That threatened the status of dollar as the world reserve currency and if the dollar ceases being the world reserve currency, US immediately loses a 10-25% addition to our GDP that the world pays us as a trubute in the form of trade imbalance financed by printed paper.
That is a clear and present danger. They just went after symptoms rather then the cause. Or maybe they hoped that by whacking some muslims they would dissuade others from cooperating with europeans and would not need to whack europeans.
You should hope that it works and your government goes back to mark and frank, etc. If not, you may see operation "German Freedom" and "French Freedom" in the future.
miko
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Stop trying to push your ridiculous gold standard crap miko, plese join the modern world.
If not please care to explain why the total money supply of modern techonologial and information service industry economises should be tied the to the availabity of a soft shiny metal...
Iraq is such a small economy that there is absolutely nothing they scould do to affect the US dollar on foreign currency markets. You know the sad thing about you is you seem to know a lot and seem to be intelligent and well informed but increasingly you are showing us your true colors, you are an ignorant quack.
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Originally posted by Arlo
STFU, Blitch.
(http://www.gawth.com/~desolate/dieter.jpg)
I'm as happy as a little girl. - Dieter aka "Blitz"
:D
Some Dieter quotes:
"Vhy is it that the truly brilliant are doomed to a life of obscurity, surrounded by a sea of mediocrity, only to end up covered in sores in a pool of their own filth? Oh vell, the beat goes on."
"Vould you like to touch my monkey? Touch him! Love him! Liebe meine abst-monkey."
"Textures intrigue me."
"A fat man and a shprinkler are soon together."----Old Bavarian adage
"Yes, Ve are doomed and I am filled with remorse, and it is most delicious."
"Sadly, Klaus is limited. But he is beautiful, is he not?"
At Dieter's Dance Party , in response to a record being rated -3 on a scale of 1 to 14, Dieter says, "Sadly, there are no integers on this scale, so your gangly adolescent attempt to be clever has proved futile."
"You are beautiful and angular."
"Now is the time on Sprockets vhen ve dance." [/B]
lmao:D
sorry guys I didn't mean to bash the US...you guys are doing a great job in Irak.....
what pissed me off is that she was a person who commanded respect BECAUSE she served her country honorably in not to friendly countries.....
R....E....S....P.....E.....C. .....T
you don't have to agree with her letter of RES.....but she did have a RIGHT to express herself....at least give her that after 30 years of service.
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oh come on miko. if i remember right you're from russia and living in america. are you a citizen? if not you should get the **** out of our nation if you are going to talk like this. I wouldn't come into your home and talk like that, so please return the favor.
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Miko is just another soviet propagandist on this board.
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GRUNHERZ: Stop trying to push your ridiculous gold standard crap miko.
I do not know where you got the idea that I am pushing the gold standard. True - it is one of the tried ways that worked and many notable economists propose adopting it. They do not think it ridiculous. Neither did US for the most of it's history.
Pusing a standard is certainly not the libertarian view - and not mine. I would consider using gold but not "pushing" it on anyone. In order to push any standard on anyone - even good standard - you would need government running economy and monetary system. I am against that. Money issue should be left in private hands, like it was before 1913. The free market will discover the best way and the optimal valuation.
The virtues of gold as money is a complex issue and requires a lot of room to explain. It is covered very well in books, so I refer you to them.
Alternatively, the state may expand the money supply by the same percentage every year and let the market adjust it's value naturally - removing unpredictable and unbalansing arbitrary intervention, as some economists propose.
plese join the modern world.
Where we do not have inflation, stagnation and monetary crises.. Yeh, right.
If not please care to explain why the total money supply of modern techonologial and information service industry economises should be tied the to the availabity of a soft shiny metal...
I will discuss it hypothetically if you promise not to lie that I support or "push" that particular system of money. Maybe I would but I am not knowlegeable enough yet to make a decision.
First, the supply you referring to is bogus - the new production of gold compared to the accumulated stocks is miniscule to affect the value of money much. One can generally disregard that. That is one of the reasons itw as used as money.
The same with availability - it does not matter how many tonns are there. All the mass of money is available to buy the mass of products, period. If you reduce the gold supply or paper money to 1/10, each unit will just be worth 10 times more. Issue "new dollar" that is worth 10 "old dollars" and nothing will change except the price labels.
Huge short-term changes of supply may cause short-term problems - like discovery of america caused inflation in Spain for a while. Not likely that any huge deposits would be discovered and not much harm if they would. Instead of counting gold by the ounce, we would just count it by a tonn. We would still be carrying paper in our wallets - except gold certificates backed by X ounces of gold instead of "faith" and fiat.
Any currency/commodity that cannot be arbitrarily issued can serve as money - if there is not enough money it just means that the same money buys more products and vice versa. The market adjusts. Issuing fiat printed money just prevents the natural market self-correction mechanisms from operating.
Anyway, I feel you do not know what money is because you frame questions that do not make much sense - about things that are not even relevant to the function of money.
Iraq is such a small economy that there is absolutely nothing they scould do to affect the US dollar on foreign currency markets.
And even if it were large, since it was selling the oil for dollars not to US but to other countries, it would still not affect our economy, right? Wrong.
It's not the size of their economy that matters - it is their example and their call to arab and muslim world to stop accepting dollar in favor of Euro.
You are too smart not to understand the distinction, so I assume the observers of our discussion are too dumb to do so.
Once the dollar stop being accepted by many countries, then it will drop - not because of Iraq or other countries but because of our $500 billion a year trade imbalance. All that free stuff coming in wil stop.
Your insults are not bothering me, so come up with argumets.
miko
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Zigrat: oh come on miko. if i remember right you're from russia and living in america.
You remember incorrectly.
are you a citizen?
I am - as if it matters whether my views are correct.
if not you should get the **** out of our nation if you are going to talk like this.
And I would value your opinion on that because...?
I wouldn't come into your home and talk like that, so please return the favor.
Of course you would, liar. Don't you favor sending troops into other countries to tell them what kind of political and economic arrangements they should have? Dictating through IMF what kind of monetary policies they should conduct?
ra: Miko is just another soviet propagandist on this board.
Right, soviet system was famous for its free market, abcense of government control, private money issue, right to bear arms... :)
You just say so becasue you see "russian" in the Zigrat's post - not becasue you understand anything in my arguments or even know the difference between "russian" and "soviet".
miko
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I got a paper to write thats due in two hours so I'll get back to you later in more detail.
One point though Iraq would have no power to influence and encourage other countries to not accept the dollar. Why not? Well those countries need stuff from us and need to do business with us as well - its not a one way street, you cant say they will simply hurt the usa by not accepting dollars they would also commit economic suicide themselves the world is far too connected for it to happend so easily. Iraq could get away with it if they acually did that, i donno havent had time to check, only because it was an isolated near basket case country under current conditions. So I really dont see any chance of the US $ being dumped and and our trade defecits no longer being financed by other wanting to hold US $. Sorry no asian financial crisis stuff will happend to the USA.
BTW nice little jab at the income tax system adoption, would you like more tarrifs or no more government whatsover? Gotta pay for it somehow...
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Right, soviet system was famous for its free market, abcense of government control, private money issue, right to bear arms...
You just say so becasue you see "russian" in the Zigrat's post - not becasue you understand anything in my arguments or even know the difference between "russian" and "soviet".
I know the difference between Russian and Soviet, but your diatribes are pure 1970's Soviet disinformation. Your post about America being an imperialist country was classic. America "infiltrated Hawaii and overthrew the government", America "fought to keep Vietnam a French colony".
As far as your predictions of fiscal doom, I've been hearing those all my life. Do you think European finance ministers can manage the Euro better than we manage the dollar? The Euro is made of paper just like the dollar. And we don't get 'free stuff' from other countries. We pay for it. When the dollar is strong we get a lot, when it is weak we get not so much.
Why don't you post another list of books you bought on Amazon, that is really impressive.
ra
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gotta agree with hooli on this one.... 40 years and they send her to the the most unpronouncable backwater they can find? Can't grieve too much about losing her.. sorta like.... a day without weazel.
lazs
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GRUNHERZ - now you are at least talking rationally. Certainly, finish your paper and check the sources at your leisure.
No rush. I am not going anywhere and neither does the issue.
Well those countries need stuff from us and need to do business with us as well
It is obvious that both sides of the trade depend on each other and will get hurt if it seases - at least short-time.
But which side will get hurt more? The one that sells real products in exchange for paper that cannot buy anything - becasue if it could, we would not have the $500 imbalance.
Once the chinese relalise they are not going to get back any real stuff for the dollars they receive from US, their products will stop.
We screwed the world once out of a lot of value - when Nixon junked Bretton Woods in 1971.
They deposited their gold (extracted as taxes from their population - no other source for government to get money) at guaranteed $32/oz and then were offered to get it back at $800/oz. Of course then we could keep them in line - with Soviet threat, indistrial and technological domination. No more.
BTW nice little jab at the income tax system adoption, would you like more tarrifs or no more government whatsover?
When did I ever mention income tax system adoption? I am not reluctant to talk about it but I certainly have not in this thread.
I refer to 1913 establishment of Federal Reserve, not any tax changes.
ra: but your diatribes are pure 1970's Soviet disinformation
So I should not say something I've learned from american scientists and substantiate it - just becasue some ignorant american thinks that 1970s soviet propaganda said something similar?
ra: Do you think European finance ministers can manage the Euro better than we manage the dollar? The Euro is made of paper just like the dollar.
Why would I care if european monetary system collapses? I am not saying Euro would be better for theworld than dollar - though probably no worse.
I am saying that US will suffer if dollar stops being the world reserve currensy in favor of anything else - Euro, gold, uranium, etc.
As far as your predictions of fiscal doom, I've been hearing those all my life.
Do you think $500 billion a year world's tribute to america through stuff/paper exchange could have something to do with the delay that doom?
Could it be that prevention of that doom is why we are in Iraq?
miko
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So I should not say something I've learned from american scientists and substantiate it - just becasue some ignorant american thinks that 1970s soviet propaganda said something similar?
I may be ignorant, but I know better than to believe that social, political, and fiscal matters are the domain of scientists.
ra
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ra: I may be ignorant, but I know better than to believe that social, political, and fiscal matters are the domain of scientists.
So I should never repeat anything just becasue the guy who wrote it has Ph.D. in Economics or Nobel Prise Winner in front of his name?
Not just because I hail from former Soviet Union?
Who asks you to believe anything? Not that you have any difficulty believing a lot of unsubstantiated crap.
Look at arguments, examine them, come up with counter-arguments, persuade me.
If you think you have the good answers to my assertions, why don't you just present them, rather then dismissin my point becasue of my imaginary origin or association with 1970th Soviet Union.
miko
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So I should never repeat anything just becasue the guy who wrote it has Ph.D. in Economics or Nobel Prise Winner in front of his name?
That would be a wise move.
Look at arguments, examine them, come up with counter-arguments, persuade me.
The world we think we live in is mostly an illusion. An alien race living on a planet hidden behind the Sun projects thoughts into our heads to make us behave in ways which amuse them. They place bets on how we will react to their games, and, during their annual moondance holiday, they kidnap 2,305 humans to be slaughtered as the main course for the feast.
Pat Sajak is their secret representative here, they consult with him before making any big decisions. He is not one of them, he is a human, but they like Wheel of Fortune so much they let him in on the real situation.
Lately, they have been getting bored with humans, and in 2018 they are scheduled to move to another galaxy to play games with another race. Then we will all have the veil lifted from our eyes and we will see that the real Earth looks almost entirely like the outskirts of Phoenix. But at least we'll be free.
Look at arguments, examine them, come up with counter-arguments, persuade me.
ra
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Originally posted by Martlet
Go make me a pizza.
Martlet, your pizza is ready.
Dont worry about the brown color, is made expecially for you, and Nibbio helped me to prepare it.
Now eat it, and I have some nice white wine for you to drink with it.
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
STFU, Blitch.
(http://www.gawth.com/~desolate/dieter.jpg)
I'm as happy as a little girl. - Dieter aka "Blitz"
:D
Some Dieter quotes:
"Vhy is it that the truly brilliant are doomed to a life of obscurity, surrounded by a sea of mediocrity, only to end up covered in sores in a pool of their own filth? Oh vell, the beat goes on."
"Vould you like to touch my monkey? Touch him! Love him! Liebe meine abst-monkey."
"Textures intrigue me."
"A fat man and a shprinkler are soon together."----Old Bavarian adage
"Yes, Ve are doomed and I am filled with remorse, and it is most delicious."
"Sadly, Klaus is limited. But he is beautiful, is he not?"
At Dieter's Dance Party , in response to a record being rated -3 on a scale of 1 to 14, Dieter says, "Sadly, there are no integers on this scale, so your gangly adolescent attempt to be clever has proved futile."
"You are beautiful and angular."
"Now is the time on Sprockets vhen ve dance." [/B]
:D
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous- It's a classic bloody 'Aggression War'
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Originally posted by blitz
:D
I noticed there are 2 words that steer up many american people on/in this board/game.
1. Communist ( i bet most of them never ever saw 1)
2. Gay ( heard it several times on ch 1 in the past 3 years when someone really wants to hurt another player after being shot down)
Some guys are funny :D
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous- It's a classic bloody 'Aggression War'
When will this tough little country of Vietnam see that apology?
Americans and Vietnamese have at least something in common :
Their pride :)
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ra: Look at arguments, examine them, come up with counter-arguments, persuade me.
Why should I? You may be right or wrong, whatever.
I do not care enough about the nature of reality or fate of a few people a year or what happens after 2018 to have an opinion on the subjects you've proposed to discuss here. They have no relation to the subjects I am interested in.
I will certainly not care to join any discussion where you espouse such views - I have nothing to contribute, noither con nor contra. Same goes for many other topics - the validity of christianity, french vines, hindu mythology, etc.
You did seem interested in the topics I was discussing here - US monetary policy in particular. I made certain assertions. You've indicated you have information that refutes them.
You are welcome to refute them but I am certainly not making you do so. If you just prefer to express your disagreement without explaining it - fine. That fact may be valuable for someone.
Not for me, though. Since I am not likely to change my worldview on the basis of popular vote, yours is wasted on me.
Maybe some other readers of this thread will be affected by it. Scorn of books, intellectuals and decision by uninformed majority approving government propaganda seems to be an old american tradition, so why not?
miko