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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funkedup on April 05, 2003, 05:24:28 PM
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If you did, I want your opinion on this:
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/7725.jpg)
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Yup ..looks like Creamo's work to me.:D
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that would be a "dropped object"?
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Hmm, damned if I know. That metal bearing at the front left sure looks like a slat roller, but other than that, my opinion is Spermsk is ***** whipped.
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Creamo I concur. The thing at bottom center (half covered by yellow tape) is the geared rotary actuator that I worked on for a couple years. Input end is facing the camera. The output shaft would be on the far side, between the two plates, in the same plane as the roller. The largest circular hole in the far plate is where the drive shaft passes through on the way to the next actuator on the wing.
This is a piece from the plane that hit the Pentagon. Found it on one of those conspiracy theory sites where they claim a cruise missile hit the Pentagon.
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Originally posted by Creamo
...my opinion is Spermsk is ***** whipped.
That's not opinion, that's a fact! :D
SOB
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Sheesh! That's easy! One of the cruise missile warheads was loaded with old aircraft parts as a coverup.
Any other questions?
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Then it is very similar to a 737. The roller piece (slat roller I assume) you see has a lube point, same as the other like pieces for the moving parts of the system that sort of form a triangle as best I can describe it from the pic. The twisted green metal would be the structure that attaches the drive to the wing, perpendicular? to the length of the wing.
Don’t know what they could surmise from that. Looks like wreckage that could be caused by anything, like crashing into a building.
Go figure.
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I never had any experience with the 737 slats but my understanding is that the system layout is pretty similar. Central PDU driving a bunch of actuators in series via torque tubes.
767 has a similar layout but the actuators used a drive lever instead of a drive gear for output.
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Originally posted by Toad
Sheesh! That's easy! One of the cruise missile warheads was loaded with old aircraft parts as a coverup.
Any other questions?
LOL Toad
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I have a question which I'd like to ask in here, as Creamo, Funked & Mr. Toad are present. :) (I could start my own thread, but that pisses GTOra2 off - oh wait, he has me on his ignore list - it wouldn't have mattered - LOL).
Most of the flying trips I do around Euroland seem to be by B737. It's a popular plane with the cut price airlines, and who am I to question it when Ryan Air (http://www.ryanair.com) charged me only £1 (US $1.55) for a round trip flight to Dublin from "London" Luton (LTN/EGGW). Only one problem - the tax was another £25 - doh, but still good.
Anyway, the question is about the 737 ailerons. When landing at a field like Nice, conditions can be choppy. As Mr. Toad knows, because of the mountains and the town, and conflict between incoming and outgoing, sometimes an inbound plane has to make a 180° at low level. Hehe, all the passengers were screaming one time as we bounced in. Quite large aileron deflections were necessary, and I noticed that the spoilers popped up on the downward pointing wing in the turn. Have seen this since on 737s - are the spoilers designed to give additional aileron authority in this way?
Looking forward to meeting Mr. Toad in Nice or some other town on the Côte d'Azur later in the year. He will get a freebie to Nice from JFK with Mrs. Toad, and I will turn up with Tomato and we will spend a nice weekend soaking up France. The Toads might need visas by then - LOL. Dinner will be on us - either at Les Artistes in Nice, or one of the places in Cannes. The day after will be a good time to drive to St. Tropez along the coast road.
One small thing - Mr. Toad doesn't know about any of this yet. ;)
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Originally posted by beet1e
I have a question which I'd like to ask in here, as Creamo, Funked & Mr. Toad are present. :) (I could start my own thread, but that pisses GTOra2 off - oh wait, he has me on his ignore list - it wouldn't have mattered - LOL).
Most of the flying trips I do around Euroland seem to be by B737. It's a popular plane with the cut price airlines, and who am I to question it when Ryan Air (http://www.ryanair.com) charged me only £1 (US $1.55) for a round trip flight to Dublin from "London" Luton (LTN/EGWW). Only one problem - the tax was another £25 - doh, but still good.
Anyway, the question is about the 737 ailerons. When landing at a field like Nice, conditions can be choppy. As Mr. Toad knows, because of the mountains and the town, and conflict between incoming and outgoing, sometimes an inbound plane has to make a 180° at low level. Hehe, all the passengers were screaming one time as we bounced in. Quite large aileron deflections were necessary, and I noticed that the spoilers popped up on the downward pointing wing in the turn. Have seen this since on 737s - are the spoilers designed to give additional aileron authority in this way?
Looking forward to meeting Mr. Toad in Nice or some other town on the Côte d'Azur later in the year. He will get a freebie to Nice from JFK with Mrs. Toad, and I will turn up with Tomato and we will spend a nice weekend soaking up France. The Toads might need visas by then - LOL. Dinner will be on us - either at Les Artistes in Nice, or one of the places in Cannes. The day after will be a good time to drive to St. Tropez along the coast road.
One small thing - Mr. Toad doesn't know about any of this yet. ;)
"Nice" Beetle :)
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Have seen this since on 737s - are the spoilers designed to give additional aileron authority in this way?
Yes, most aircraft so equipt are designed such. Actually spoilers don't add to aileron authority, they kill wing lift.
:D
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NUKE -
Germany and France are in no way threatened by America's action in Iraq, it's just plain ridiculous.
ROFL! :D:D You're supposed to make the spelling "rediculous", or maybe "redikulous". :) I shall see him on Thursday. I've met him before. Nice guy, and I for one do not dislike people because of a difference of opinion.
Weav - Actually spoilers don't add to aileron authority, they kill wing lift.
-thereby adding to the effect of the ailerons in this case. Gawd, there's so much hair splitting in these aviation discussions.
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WAG, but judging by the sizes, those holes look like BACD-2000-7 and BACD2000-9 flanged(And one BACD-2000-15 in the lower left hand corner) (or was is BACD2001? Been a few years....) I used build the tools that formed parts like that in hyrdorpresses.
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We'll know in 30 years when it's released under the freedom of information and privacy act... :rolleyes:
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Yeah, Boeing has a nice system. Ailerons deflect first, then at certain point you get spoilers deflecting progressively on one wing to help you roll. In the case of spoilers already being up (use of speedbrakes to descend, for instance), you get differential spoilers with one side lowering progressively.
Works good, lasts a long time.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
WAG, but judging by the sizes, those holes look like BACD-2000-7 and BACD2000-9 flanged(And one BACD-2000-15 in the lower left hand corner) (or was is BACD2001? Been a few years....) I used build the tools that formed parts like that in hyrdorpresses.
Rip if you can pull up some drawings on Monday and compare them to the pic that would rock.
Also if you can find a schematic of the flap/slat system, showing PDU, torque tubes, gearboxes, actuators, brakes, sensors, etc, that would rock.
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Bump for drip :D
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, Boeing has a nice system. Ailerons deflect first, then at certain point you get spoilers deflecting progressively on one wing to help you roll. In the case of spoilers already being up (use of speedbrakes to descend, for instance), you get differential spoilers with one side lowering progressively.
Works good, lasts a long time.
Rgr Mr. Toad. I did a B737 flight on Thursday, and noticed the spoilers deflecting to assist the ailerons - on the take off roll! I doubt that the intention was to kill lift at that stage of the flight. AKWeav?!
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No, you don't want the spoilers up on T/O roll. Did it stay like that a long time? Or was it momentary like he was just late with his control check?
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Yep, just momentary - and not a full deflection.
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There's some guys that have a habit of "stirring the soup" right before takeoff. They move the controls to the stops to make sure nothing is binding and all is right with the world. In the checklist it's the control check but it's usually done during taxi out.
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No, I don't think it was that. We were about half way into the take off roll, and it was one of those English days when the wind was in several different directions. Hehe, we get plenty of those.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Rip if you can pull up some drawings on Monday and compare them to the pic that would rock.
Also if you can find a schematic of the flap/slat system, showing PDU, torque tubes, gearboxes, actuators, brakes, sensors, etc, that would rock.
Hell, I wouldn't even know where to start for specific details. Give me a tooling number, then I can find it. ;) We made the tools that made the parts, that means higher tolerances (.003 in some cases, generally +/- .010 though, production parts were held to a .030 tolerance.)