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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on April 06, 2003, 12:37:18 AM
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#5: Sands of Iwo Jima
The scene where John Wayne must keep his men in their foxholes while the weak voice of a wounded Marine calls out in the night ..."Stryker". Priceless!
#4: Black Hawk Down
A gritty and factual look at what happens when things go wrong.
#3 Saving Private Ryan
Now I know what it was REALLY like on D-Day.
#2 Full Metal Jacket
R. Lee Ermey...nuff said.
#1 Patton
If Eisenhower would have just let the man do his job...
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Behind Enemy Lines?
My gawd, that movie was horrible. I especially loved the SA-13s that flew forever and practically engaged in a dogfight with an F/A-18. No list with Behind Enemy Lines can be considered complete without Pearl Harbor as well. :)
I also assume when you say "war film" you mean modern mechanized war.
On my list for "modern war" in no particular order:
The Enemy Below
Das Boot
Saving Private Ryan
Platoon
Apocalypse Now
Full Metal Jacket
Midway
Tora Tora Tora
Hamburger Hill
Lawrence of Arabia
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Kelly's Heroes
The Dirty Dozen
The Guns of Navarone
The Great Escape
The Sand Pebbles
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HEH..you posted before I could edit..it definitely is NOT worthy.
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(In no particular order)
A Bridge Too Far
The Thin Red Line
Platoon
Kelly's Heros (Come on ;) )
Das Boot
Blackhawk Down
Patton
Ok... so thats a couple more than five.
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Hey Saur... WRT The Thin Red Line, I didn't get it at all. What did I miss that made the movie seem so horrible?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hey Saur... WRT The Thin Red Line, I didn't get it at all. What did I miss that made the movie seem so horrible?
Ditto :confused:
And I'm kinda split on Kelly's Heroes. Is it really a War Film? There I go with the Negative waves.....Woof Woof! (Thats my OTHER dog imitation)
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5. Patton
4. Bridge On the River Kwai
3. Saving Private Ryan
2. Black Hawk Down
1. All Quiet On the Western Front (the original) Even with the bad 30s style acting;) I still think its an amazing movie.
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I saw a GREAT WW2 flick once very late at night (thats always when they are best!) about a German POW sent back to Germany to spy for the Allies. The kid was a Medic. The only actor I remember in it is Richard Basehardt, he played the kids handler.
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IMHO
The Longest Day
Gettysburg
Das Boot
Blackhawk Down
Patton
Runners up..............
Kelly's Heros
Tora Tora Tora
The Great Escape
The Patriot
A Bridge Too Far
All Quiet on the Western Front
At the very bottom...........
Apocalypse Now
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1. Im Westen nichts neues - All Quiet on the Western Front
The book is great also!!!
2. Das Boot
3. Apocalypse Now
4. Full Metal Jacket
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If your going for realism, check these films out:
Memphis Belle - Doesn't accurately follow the last mission of the real Memphis Belle, but it shows what truely did happen on B17 missions in 1943.
Saving Private Ryan - Got some pretty realistic ground combat here.
Hamburger Hill Follows the story of the 101st Airborne as they attack a fortified hill in the Au Shau Valley in Vietnam. True story.
Platoon - Probably the most famous movie about Vietnam.
The Boys of Company C -Another good Vietnam movie.
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The name of the movie I was thinking about is "Decision Before Dawn" a MUST see. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned "The Big Red One".
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Originally posted by Duedel
1. Im Westen nichts neues (someone knows the english title?)
All Quiet on the Western Front.
Thin Red Line
that Ryan movie
Full metal
Kelly's Gents
Gettysburg, and Glory. (consider it one movie, I bought them together.)
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Originally posted by rpm371
The name of the movie I was thinking about is "Decision Before Dawn" a MUST see. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned "The Big Red One".
Good call. Forgot that one.
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1 - Field of glory
2 - capitain Conan.
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Thy Monk
Sry i edited my post before i saw urs :)
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Battleground
The Story of GI Joe
Wings
All three of these were directed by real life ww1 veteran Wild Bill Wildman..
Great director.. he really brings the feeling of being there.
Platoon.. I know some of you don’t like Oliver Stone’s political views, but he’s a Viet Nam Veteran for real and I think vets who become directors make better war movies. As a side note, Platoon was on a few weeks ago on USA channel.. it was the edited version for television. Now normally I don’t care if they edit strong language but for this film I don’t believe the profanity is gratuitous.. Stone meant for this language to be there as a way to bring the viewer into this crazy upside down world. It was like someone painting clothes onto a classic nude.. The censors missed the point of the art.
The Generals.. cool movie.. about a German Military police investigator trying to solve a rape/murder in Poland in ’41.. a witness says they saw a German officer leave the girls room and he had a red stripe on his trousers. A German general (Peter O’Tool). This investigator follows up on the case all the way into late ’44... When we see O’Tool again, he looks really beaten down from the battles in Russia..
Das Boot... I saw an interview with Wolfgang Peters who said the U-boat they were using for exterior shots.. sunk.. about half way through filming.. so the one you see in the beginning of the film is real.. the shots toward the end of the film is a miniature which had to be constructed on the spot. Lets see what else.. oh.. the Captain you see from the other U-boat is dead drunk for real.. he was not acting ;)... when he goes into the bathroom and barfs... that’s real. The crew of Das Boot were a bunch of party animals.. often showing up late for filming costing the film crew thousands of dollars in delays.. Peters had to personally bail out the kid with the red hair who got busted for drugs.. what a scene. If you ever rent the DVD of Das Boot watch the directors cut... he talks about all this.
Oh.. hehe.. let me be the first to mention "Band of Brothers"
Lets see ya top that!
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Enemy at the Gates.
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Battle of Britan
Saving Private Ryan
Blackhawk Down
Bravo Two Zero (Sean Bean)
Once were soliders
CB
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1. Hell's Angels (Howard Hughs)
2. The Train
3. Sahara
4. The Naked and the Dead
5. Hell is for Heroes
6. Battleground
7. Battle of the Bulge
8. Pursuit of the Graf Spee
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Two towers, orcs vs. humans.
StarWars episode I, gungans vs. drones - c lose second.
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Cross of Iron
Hooligan
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There was a similar thread on AGW which produced some great lists. I saved the entire page so I could have it as a movie rental/purchase reference.
Just threw it up on my server if you want to check it out.
Here it is. (http://modena.intergate.ca/personal/cwharton/sbm/ww2movielist.htm)
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A Bridge too Far
Gettysburg
The Lost Battalion
SPR
Patton
All's Quiet on the Western Front
Stalingrad
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Where Eagles Dare (MGM), starring Richard Burton & Clint Eastwood.
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Final Countdown
Dr. Strangelove
:D
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A Bridge Too Far
Tora! Tora! Tora!
The Great Escape (does this count as a war movie?)
Saving Private Ryan
Das Boot
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1. Band of brothers (this one always seems to be forgotten)
2.SPR
3.A bridge to far
4.Platoon
5.Battle of Brittan
6.Glory (dispite ferris bueller :D )
I know it's 6 but........
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When you say Band of Brothers are you talking about the HBO 10 hour mini-series that aired last year or was there another movie by that name? I love the Band of Brothers min-series. I have it on DVD and its great.
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Blackhawk Down
Kelly's Heroes
Mr Roberts
Saving Private Ryan
Das Boot
Gettysburg
Glory
Stalag 17
The Great Escape
The Dirty Dozen
The Sandpebbles
Task Force
Bridge on the River Kwai
The Bridges of Toko Ri
Lawrence of Arabia
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(off topic)
Hey Les,
finally got my print framed, its hanging in our patrol office. Every time someone comes in asks about it I say, "check it out, its signed." :D
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Originally posted by Mathman
The Sandpebbles
Dammit....I forgot all about that one. I remember watching this one when I was like 10 with my dad.
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Never new they made a bravo two zero movie.
"The odd angry shot" has not been mentioned. Pretty good Ausie nam film.
Along those lines.
Galipoly and the boar war one as well..
But I am watching Band Of Brothers through for the second time. And the quality and authenticity of it has driven most predecessors from my mind.
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Originally posted by -Concho-
(off topic)
Hey Les,
finally got my print framed, its hanging in our patrol office. Every time someone comes in asks about it I say, "check it out, its signed." :D
Thank you Concho. You just made my day, amigo. :D
Keep up the good work!
Les
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Originally posted by Pongo
Never new they made a bravo two zero movie.
"The odd angry shot" has not been mentioned. Pretty good Ausie nam film.
Along those lines.
Galipoly and the boar war one as well..
But I am watching Band Of Brothers through for the second time. And the quality and authenticity of it has driven most predecessors from my mind.
I just got The Odd Angry Shot on DVD, I've always liked it....Gallipoli is excellent, so is Breaker Morant (the Boer War one I think your meaning).
my top five:
1. Saving Private Ryan
2. The Cross of Iron
3. 12 O'Clock High
4. Full Metal Jacket
5. The Battle of Britain
Honourable mentions:
Apocalypse Now
The Thin Red Line
Enemy at the Gates
The Odd Angry Shot
Gallipoli
633 Sqd
Band of Brothers (even tho its a mini series)
The Rats of Tobruk
Das Boot
The Hunters
The Dambusters
Zulu
Tronsky
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1. Das Boot Probably the best war movie ever, imo ;)
2. Saving Private Ryan Don't think there is a film like it that's so graphic (at the beginning)
3. Dr. Strangelove Cold War, funny yet cynical
4. Kellys Heroes Funny as hell. Good 'ole Oddball
5. Dambusters Saw it again recently, forgot just how good it was!
Also:
Angels 1 5 - Very good film that not a lot of people have heard about.
All Quiet On The Western Front
Gallipoli
Memphis Belle
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There was some other movie I like too. I don't quite remember the name. I think it is "Hell in the Pacific" or something like that. It is has Lee Marvin and Toshiro Mifune (I think thats his name) as an American and a Japanese soldier stuck on an island. Pretty good movie, at least IMO.
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Man, I can't believe this.
A thread about war movies and nobody mentions 'Heartbreak Ridge'?
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Heartbreak Ridge was on today. It's horrible. :)
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1.Dr Strangelove
2.Catch 22
3.Three Kings
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I'd have to say my favorites are:
The Beast
The Hill
All Quiet on the Western Front (the one with John boy Walton)
Dr. Stranglove
Enemy Below
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5. Missing in Action 3
4. Rambo 3
3. Firebirds
2. Sniper
and....
1.
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00003CXTG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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Wow, Cherlie... had no idea they made this into a movie.
Bravo Two Zero on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005R87B/104-0788766-7520752?vi=glance#product-details)
It was an amazing book. From the reviews, it sounds like the BBC did a great job bringing it to the screen.
Thanks for the tip!
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Heartbreak Ridge was on today. It's horrible. :)
Ok, ok. How 'bout Top Gun? :D
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Wow, Cherlie... had no idea they made this into a movie.
NP, tell em what you think!
CB
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Black Hawk Down
based on the computer game (Counter Strike) the film is a real gem ;)
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1.> saving ryan's privates
2.> Patton
3.> The Deer Hunter
4.> Midway
5.> Platoon
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5. Tora, Tora, Tora.
Much better than that monstosity of lies Pearl Harbor.
4. A Bridge to Far.
Awesome, and definitely well done for it's time.
3. Platoon.
Damn I am glad I wasn't there!
2. Blackhawk Down.
Great Look at modern warfare's capability even though it was scaled back and not entirely truthful.
1. Saving Private Ryan.
Up until the last portion of the battle for the bridge, it was good. An uncensored look at how horrible a sacrifice our ancestors went through to make this world safe for us.
Honorable Mention.
Where Eagles Dare.
Loved the MI6 mentality and dedication to duty and blondes.
:D
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blackhawk(overrated by tom clancy fanboys) down shouldnt even be on the same list as these.
1)Apocalypse Now(redux version of course)
2)Das Boot
3)Glory (wtf only a few mentions of this one)
4)Saving Private Ryan
5)Patton(because george C scott is kewl)
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
blackhawk(overrated by tom clancy fanboys) down shouldnt even be on the same list as these.
1)Apocalypse Now(redux version of course)
2)Das Boot
3)Glory (wtf only a few mentions of this one)
4)Saving Private Ryan
5)Patton(because george C scott is kewl)
Apocalypse now is WAY overrated. What a boring piece of garbage. I walked out of the theater after being bored to tears for the first 3 hours.
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thats because your not a dirty liberal intellectual that understands "it" about the movie. Its layers man, layers!
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These are the best :
5. Final Countdown
4. Pearl Harbor
3. Gone With The Wind
2. 1941
1. Red Dawn
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
thats because your not a dirty liberal intellectual that understands "it" about the movie. Its layers man, layers!
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It's boring man, boring.
Plus it has the added disadvantage of Martin Sheen.
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best movie to portray the hipocricys in the vietnam war to this date.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
best movie to portray the hipocricys in the vietnam war to this date.
Marlin Brando and Martin Sheen all in one, long, boring package
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I actually fell asleep when I saw Apacalypse Now in the theater, then foolishly rented the Directors Cut years later and fell asleep again.
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I know the worst:
Pearl Harbor
Red Dawn
Midway
Blue Max was kind of weird too...
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Originally posted by NUKE
These are the best :
5. Final Countdown
4. Pearl Harbor
3. Gone With The Wind
2. 1941
1. Red Dawn
That could almost be the top 5 worst films...cept 1941
Tronsky
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haven't seen anyone list
Lawrence of Arabia {an acknowleged classic}
Gallipoli {When Gibson hears the whistle and knows he wasn't fast enough to stop the attack}
Sgt York {Gary Cooper wrestles with his concience, 'cause the book is agin killin}
My personal favorite, Little Big Man. {Good guys win a battle in that one.}
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ahhh completely forgot gallipoli
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Enemy at the Gates was pretty good. So was Das Boot. And Saving Private Ryan. And the memphis Belle. And the Big Red One. Am I up to 5? darn.
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no particular order but a list of good films i love :)
Longest day
saving private ryan
kelly's heroes
Enemy at the gates
windtalkers
bridge too far
desert rats
Das Boot
Desert Fox
Battleground
Dunkirk
In which we serve
Band of brothers wasnt bad either
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I can't believe that people are honestly posting that they thought Enemy at the Gates was a good movie, much less one of the top 5 war movies of all time. I'm sorry, but they spent the whole movie making Ed Harris out to be this almost clairvoyant badass sniper who always knew where his mark would be and never ever missed, and then he walks out into the open without making sure the other sniper is dead? That's the kind of idiot mistake that gets people dead long before they get to be badass snipers like he was supposed to be. Totally ruined the movie.
And just to throw my votes in, I'm not sure if Schindler's List qualifies or not, since it's not necessarily a war movie, but it is a damn good movie about a war. Other than that, Glory, Full Metal Jacket, Blackhawk Down, 12 O' Clock High
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"In Harms Way"
"Hell is for Heros"
"84 Charlie Mopic"
"The Bridges at Toko Ri"
"Paths of Glory"
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Originally posted by -tronski-
That could almost be the top 5 worst films...cept 1941
Tronsky
That was the idea
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Pearl Harbor should be the real #1, after all it did have the following
- Ben Affleck saves British troops from Robo-Skorzeny at Dunkirk
- Ben Affleck single-handedly wins the Battle of Britain in a biplane
- Ben Affleck sinks the Bismarck
- Ben Affleck survives being shot down by the V-1000, Hitler's shape-shifting missile weapon filled with horrifying Nazi mutants
- Ben Affleck destroys the entire Japanese air force at Pearl Harbor, saving everybody and all the ships except for that one retarded guy's girlfriend
- Ben Affleck, en route to the Doolittle raid wins the battles of Midway and Coral Sea
- Ben Affleck defeats Japan's secret Ninja Zero Squadron over Tokyo and blows up Hirohito
- Ben Affleck, after crash landing his plane in such a way that prevents the rape of Nanking several years prior goes on to kill every Japanese occupying soldier in China but can't save Josh Hartnett
- Ben Affleck triumphantly returns to the US, invents the atom bomb, and throws it, one-handed, to Hiroshima
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Pearl Harbor should be the real #1, after all it did have the following
- Ben Affleck saves British troops from Robo-Skorzeny at Dunkirk
- Ben Affleck single-handedly wins the Battle of Britain in a biplane
- Ben Affleck sinks the Bismarck
- Ben Affleck survives being shot down by the V-1000, Hitler's shape-shifting missile weapon filled with horrifying Nazi mutants
- Ben Affleck destroys the entire Japanese air force at Pearl Harbor, saving everybody and all the ships except for that one retarded guy's girlfriend
- Ben Affleck, en route to the Doolittle raid wins the battles of Midway and Coral Sea
- Ben Affleck defeats Japan's secret Ninja Zero Squadron over Tokyo and blows up Hirohito
- Ben Affleck, after crash landing his plane in such a way that prevents the rape of Nanking several years prior goes on to kill every Japanese occupying soldier in China but can't save Josh Hartnett
- Ben Affleck triumphantly returns to the US, invents the atom bomb, and throws it, one-handed, to Hiroshima
That must have been in the special edition, all I saw was Ben Affleck in the amazing slow super stunt P-40's, the just before I go on Doolitlle raid I must save the earth from an asteroid in my B-25, and rubber coated Spitfires bits.
The Hiroshima one is completely false...he threw it at Nagasaki, and only cause it had a seven second fuse.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by NUKE
Apocalypse now is WAY overrated. What a boring piece of garbage. I walked out of the theater after being bored to tears for the first 3 hours.
that is one of the greatest movies ever made, it showed the true horrors of war instead of glorifying it as a honorable endevour that you get teary eyed and proud to watch like Hitler youths hearing patriotic awe inspiring stories (and then dying under the thread of a tank protecting Hitler's bunker).
War = pandemic madness.
Dont disguise it with emotional shots of a US flag streaking across the battelefield to the tunes of noble music.
Gosh I almost hurled during 'We Were Soldiers'
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Paths of Glory
Full Metal Jacket
Dr Strangelove
Hell In The Pacific
Ran
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Originally posted by Animal
that is one of the greatest movies ever made, it showed the true horrors of war instead of glorifying it as a honorable endevour that you get teary eyed and proud to watch like Hitler youths hearing patriotic awe inspiring stories (and then dying under the thread of a tank protecting Hitler's bunker).
Gotta disagree, Apocalypse Now is a turd as any kind of historical document or as some kind of anti-war lesson. It's visually stimulating and has a nice soundtrack and some good acting. But it didn't tell anything like truth. There were so many BS unrealistic things in that movie I lost count. The worst part is the utterly fake depection of how Aircav operated. It was war as perceived by brainwashed hippy-dippy drug addicts who didn't know squat about how the military operated or what actually went on in Vietnam. I can understand why most vets hate that movie.
We Were Soldiers sucked bellybutton even worse though. Great book, awful film.
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how about "The Enemy Below", Kurt Jurgens, Robert Mitchum (1957?)
Oh yeah "Bridges at Toko-Ri" also
"Cast A Giant Shadow" Kirk Douglas Frank Sinatra
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Originally posted by funkedup
Gotta disagree, Apocalypse Now is a turd as any kind of historical document or as some kind of anti-war lesson. It's visually stimulating and has a nice soundtrack and some good acting. But it didn't tell anything like truth. There were so many BS unrealistic things in that movie I lost count. The worst part is the utterly fake depection of how Aircav operated. I can understand why most vets hate that movie.
We Were Soldiers sucked bellybutton even worse though. Great book, awful film.
You are right on the realism, but the message the film tries to portray, and how it delivers, is outstanding, IMO.
That movie really has an eerie aura of pure madness.
And as you said, the acting is good. The briefing scene, where the Captain is explained his mission, is superb, not to mention the begining of the film.
The aircav scene may not be accurate but it does a good job as a parody of men who simply LOVE war. IMO Duvall's character is a good example of what Patton was.
There are very, very few movies who seemed to tell it like it was (Band of Brothers saga is the only one I can recall, and some scenes from SPR) but then again, how can we know? Not even war veterans can tell you what war truly is, because it takes so many diferent forms. WWII is not Vietnam. WWII wasnt even the same kind war to someone in the pacific or eastern front. All we know is war IS hell, and movies like Apocalypse Now and Platoon do a good job in inmersing the viewer in that HELL atmosphere, wether its realistic or not.
/flame suit ON
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Yeah it's fun to watch, but I'm scared that joe average (who doesn't read history) might take it as fact. Same goes for "We Were Soldiers". Dinger and I walked out of that one.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Yeah it's fun to watch, but I'm scared that joe average (who doesn't read history) might take it as fact. Same goes for "We Were Soldiers". Dinger and I walked out of that one.
At least we stand together in our hate towards that awful crap.
Saddest part is how many people didnt realize it was sad propaganda worse than Mel Gibson's 'The Patriot'
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Did you read the book? Don't let the poopy movie turn you off. It's a great book, one of the best 3 or 4 books on war that I have read.
And as crappy as the film was, it was a far more realistic portrayal than Apocalypse Now, at least from my reading of books by people who were over there.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Did you read the book? Don't let the poopy movie turn you off. It's a great book, one of the best 3 or 4 books on war that I have read.
And as crappy as the film was, it was a far more realistic portrayal than Apocalypse Now, at least from my reading of books by people who were over there.
Yeah of course its more realistic on a technical level, but less realistic in how it portrays war as honorable and noble.
I dont think Coppola intended for Apocalypse Now! to be realistic at all and thats not the point of the film.
IMO the best Vietnam war movie when it comes to that is Full Metal Jacket, followed closely by Platoon. Just a gut feeling, cause I was not in Nam, thank (deity of choice)
I have not read that book yet. I know the book is better, I just had no time to read it till now. Did you read 'Band of Brothers'? which one is better in your opinion?
Only modern war book I have read is Blackhawk Down (years before the movie, the others are all on medieval warfare, or just about warfare itself (Art of War, etc)
I also have to read Saburo Sakai's 'Samurai!'. So many books so little time. Damn you party and masturbation!!!
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I don't know which movie is most realistic. I'm just a civilian weenie. But after reading accounts from guys who were there, it is hard to watch movies that have obviously fake things going on.
Band of Brothers was a great book. But "We Were Soldiers Once And Young" moved me a lot more. Probably because it was written by guys who were there, and because the fighting at LZ Albany (NOT shown in the movie) was so terrible. And you get to hear some of the enemy's perspective too.
Blackhawk Down was a great book of course, and I recommend reading anything else you can get your hands on from Bowden.
John Keegan is always fun, too. He uses a lot of big words but it's worth it.
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Originally posted by Animal
You are right on the realism, but the message the film tries to portray, and how it delivers, is outstanding, IMO.
That movie really has an eerie aura of pure madness.
And as you said, the acting is good. The briefing scene, where the Captain is explained his mission, is superb, not to mention the begining of the film.
The aircav scene may not be accurate but it does a good job as a parody of men who simply LOVE war. IMO Duvall's character is a good example of what Patton was.
There are very, very few movies who seemed to tell it like it was (Band of Brothers saga is the only one I can recall, and some scenes from SPR) but then again, how can we know? Not even war veterans can tell you what war truly is, because it takes so many diferent forms. WWII is not Vietnam. WWII wasnt even the same kind war to someone in the pacific or eastern front. All we know is war IS hell, and movies like Apocalypse Now and Platoon do a good job in inmersing the viewer in that HELL atmosphere, wether its realistic or not.
/flame suit ON
I dont think Coppola intended for Apocalypse Now! to be realistic at all and thats not the point of the film.
IMO the best Vietnam war movie when it comes to that is Full Metal Jacket, followed closely by Platoon. Just a gut feeling, cause I was not in Nam, thank (deity of choice)
Well it is supposed to be a loose telling of the Heart of Darkness, and with the Redux edition, it makes good on that.
I thought the film is exellent and a visual masterpiece and I totally agree with the suggestion about Duvall's Col Kilgore being a parody.
Your correct about realism of war in films. BOB did do a good job but possibly the best (for me) is the ending of Gallipoli, and the portrayal of the Light Horse charge at the Neck.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Rasker
how about "The Enemy Below", Kurt Jurgens, Robert Mitchum (1957?)
Outstanding! I completely forgot about that one! This is what I was hoping for when I started this thread, all the great films that have slipped into oblivion. :D
Here's a few more:
Gung Ho! (Randolph Scott kicks some serious prettythang and look for a VERY young Robert Mitchum as "Pig Iron")
Strategic Air Command (More of a Pro-USAF film than a War film...but great aerial stuff!)
Paths of Glory (Early Kubrick at it's best!)
Stalag 17 (Bet on Snicklefritz to win!)
Run Silent, Run Deep (Not The Bungo Straits!)
Castle Keep (Must Bruce Dern ALWAYS play the wacko?)
The Cane Munity (The messcooks were stealing Strawberrys!)
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Oh man i didnt know dr strange love counted. thats like #2. That movie ruled.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Oh man i didnt know dr strange love counted. thats like #2. That movie ruled.
I'll 2nd that.
Odd enough, I first saw that movie in Jr High or HS. At school.
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There are so many great war films, but seeing as the originator of this thread asked for only our top 5.....here are my top five truly great war films that are not to be missed:
1. Das Boot
2. Paths of Glory
3. Saving Private Ryan
4. The Bridge on the River Kwai
5. Tora! Tora! Tora!
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No "Deer Hunter".......????
Whats with you guys....
Thats a great movie, tragic but great...
I think Platoon was very well done also...
Full Metal Jacket has the best Basic Training scenes ever... Very realistic... That Drill gave me chills with his role, plays it to the hilt with the walk (in half parade rest with one arm flailing) and all....
"get off my obstacle"
I chuckle ever time, My basic platoon had a private pyle. So it hits close to home... (we called him the general... he was a national guard delayed entry know it all type...)
Private Ryan for its realism of combat....
2 cents...
DoctorYO
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#1 Zvezda ("Star," in Russian)
WWII Russian flick about a group of scouts (razvedchiki) who go deep behind enemy lines to find out what's cooking. Latest film was made in 2000. Nothing beats Red Army scouts in their one piece camo coveralls, packing PPSh41s :) Based on a book (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero/zvezda) by Kazakevich in the late 1940s.
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What exactly did you all dislike about "We Were Soldiers"?
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I think Apocalypse Now is a terrible movie that requires a generous dosage of acid or another hallucinagen to completely grasp and understand. Just my 2 cents though.
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"Apocalypse Now" is based on the very, very famous book by Joseph Conrad, "Heart of Darkness." Read the book and you will understand the movie.
Midnight Clear was a good war movie...
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Hmmm... listing favorite war movies doesn't really work for me. For most of them, there are scenes I thought were well done, and scenes I couldn't stand.
How about just outstanding scenes:
Saving Private Ryan: The first 20 minutes. This opening scene gave me the impression that all other war movies completely failed to grasp the horrors of battle.
Gallipoli: One of the best potrayals of trench warfare at the end of the movie.
Das Boot: Best depiction of U-Boats ever. The tension and earie quiet were rivetting. The movie was ruined by being typical German. Anyone that cites hollywood as only releasing happy ending films and loves German films because they all end with everyone dieing is living a Paradox.
Band of Brothers: Excellent depiction of artillery barages... and the fox hole battles of WW2. One of the best all-around releases.
Blue Max: The best portrayal of fighter pilot egos ever. Topgun may have captured cocky... but this movie captured fighter pilots... even if it was only WW1 planes.
Big Red One: When Lee Marvin hands Mark Hamill another clip near the end of the movie. Also, several scenes were "borrowed" for other WW2 movies. The acting was a little sketchy, but the script was way ahead of its time.
Catch 22: Unrealistic, but suprisingly similar to real life. Amazing that you can't realistically portray the military without being unrealistic.
Green Berets: My first introduction to "Puff" (A C-47 gunship)
Dark Blue World: Perhaps some of the best British Channel / British air defense movie scenes ever. Overall a very good movie.
Top Gun: Made me realize spectacular fight sequences and realism are not both necessary to enjoy a movie.
That's all I can think of right now. There are alot more scenes I could list with the time and if I still had the memory I had when I was young.
MiniD
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You enjoyed Dark Blue World? I keep wanting to rent it, but Im afraid Ill be disgusted by inaccuracies, RC aircraft, and some form of a love story.
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I don't really know much about spitfire variants nor LW variants, so those things don't really bother me one way or the other.
The movie itself is excellent. The battle scenes are definately what I'd consider to be tactically realistic... even if the wrong era spitfire may/maynot have been used.
Its definately worth renting.
MiniD
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#1 Band of brothers, AMAZING, the only thing I don't like is I can't get some of my dip**** friends to watch it "cause it is to long" Man I felt it when Goneria and his buddies got it.... and Spears, that guy was the man.
#2 Black hawk down, but there was not enougn and after reading the book it needed to be longer.
#3 SPR, the first movie I saw that came close to making me understand what war was about. I made every one I know go see it, so I saw it 7 time in the theature. The first 30 minutes should be shown in schools, to let the kids know what there grandparents did for the world.
#4 Patton, man what a movie. One of only two movies filmed in vistavision or something, using 3 cams at once for super wide screen, only one other movie filmed this way. Great acting. Scott was the man. Monty was such a puss in this one... lol
5# 85 charlie mopic. Very good, very hard to find, but worth it. Shot all from the camera mans point of view... Good stuff.
Other good ones.
Hamburger hill, good but not as good as the book.
Full metal jacket. "How do you kill women and chicldren!?" "Easy! you just don't lead them as much!"
Tora tora tora, great for it's time.
The longest day! What a casts!
Uncommon valor, kinda corny but fun.
Flight of the intruder, the part where defoe is down and wounded and he calls in the Sandy (A1 skyraider) "drop it on me! DO it for me! I would do it for you"
The worst?
Platoon, not cause it was horible, but because oliver stone lied and said it was his story, and when he was called on it, finaly told the truth, and said basicaly none of it happend to him, but had happend. SO he took just about all the bad **** he heard of and packed it into a two hour film. The movie was OK but the directer being a jerk soiled it for me.
Apocolipse now. CRAP.. UTER BORING CRAP! and copala said, "this is the way nam was!" He claimed this was the war, and that is bull****.
When trumpets fade.... man I just hated the main char.
Pearl harbor, but it was worth it to see a REAL zero fly, and yes it was a real one.
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Being a realism nazi tends to wreck many movies. I try to look past that stuff.
Memphis Belle for example. I thought it was pretty well done. Obviously all those things didn't happen on the last mission of the Belle, or even to the Belle. But all those things happened during the war to someone.
I love the "Danny Boy" ending.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Being a realism nazi tends to wreck many movies. I try to look past that stuff.
"Behind Enemy Lines"
MiniD
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MiniD is right, Deep blue world was very good. I like it allot. But you gota watch it, lol don't try and watch it and do something else. You will get lost in the flash backs.... hehe
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Dark Blue World is what Pearl Harbor should have been.
Excellent movie.
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Platoon, not cause it was horible, but because oliver stone lied and said it was his story, and when he was called on it, finaly told the truth, and said basicaly none of it happend to him, but had happend. SO he took just about all the bad **** he heard of and packed it into a two hour film. The movie was OK but the directer being a jerk soiled it for me.
For Stone to admit this would mean for him to admit fragging an officer...
Rednecks on one side of the camp, soul brothers and heads on the other, that was for real. Waking up in the middle of the night covered with incect bits was real. Having the point man found dead, and the village up ahead don't know anything about any VC in the area... They just got ammo and weapons hidden under sacks of rice.. That was real.
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You a vet 10bears?
He claimed that everything in the film happend to him while he was there, then later when he was called on it, said it all happend but not to him or just one unit.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
What exactly did you all dislike about "We Were Soldiers"?
At the end, it departs from the true story pretty drastically.
I can deal with a fictional movie, but not when they do everything they can to convince you it is not fiction: using the title of the non-fiction book, using the dates and place names of the real battle, using the names of real participant units and personnel, etc.
There was no reason for the filmmakers to lie like that. The true story would have been sufficient. If they had just told the truth, it would have been obvious to even the dullest viewer that Moore and Crandall's men covered themselves in glory.
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In Platoon, the part where Dafoe's character appears running after being left behind, is IMO one of the greatest scenes in movie history.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
You enjoyed Dark Blue World? I keep wanting to rent it, but Im afraid Ill be disgusted by inaccuracies, RC aircraft, and some form of a love story.
The love story is annoying, but look it at this way: You get to see boobies.
There are very few inaccuracies in the film. It's fictional, but almost all of the things that happen were things that actually happened to Czech or Polish pilots.
I didn't notice RC aircraft. Plenty of real live Spit shots in the movie. There is some CG stuff for enemy aircraft and damage and fire effects though.
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Das Boobs :D
Saw it the other night on FX!
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Yeah that part was good, the movie over all was ok, I didnt like the good V evil in the platoon theme, but it was a well done movie.
Dafoe is the man.
I just can't stand the director being dishonest.
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Originally posted by Hobodog
Das Boobs :D
Saw it the other night on FX!
If you saw it on FX, you have seen about 1/3 of the movie. it runs about 4 hours uncut.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Yeah that part was good, the movie over all was ok, I didnt like the good V evil in the platoon theme, but it was a well done movie.
Dafoe is the man.
I just can't stand the director being dishonest.
I dont really care about how the cast is off camera, as long as they do a good job in the movie itself.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Being a realism nazi tends to wreck many movies. I try to look past that stuff.
Memphis Belle for example. I thought it was pretty well done. Obviously all those things didn't happen on the last mission of the Belle, or even to the Belle. But all those things happened during the war to someone.
I love the "Danny Boy" ending.
Back in Air Warrior, piloting a B-17 with a full crew back in on one engine, a-smokin and a-shakin, I'd be typing a few lyrics from "Danny Boy" into the intercom buffer and everyone knew exactly what I meant. :)
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Dug up this post because I bought Stalingrad and watched it last night, for the first time.
I must say, What a great film. Definatley on Par with Das Boot as my favorite War Film of all time. Gripping Action Scenes, And from what I've read, an accurate portrayal of the fighting in Stalingrad.
The Story of the 6 Main characters during the movie could have had more substance, In my oppinion. Also, during the Tank Assault scene I was somewhat dissapointed. It seemed like it was edited to make it seem larger than it really was. It felt lacking I guess, It needed a Huge Oooo-Ray! Human Wave assault.
And my biggest gripe in the whole film, the Lighting. In Bunkers and bombed out buildings, its not very bright, needed less light, with the characters only seen by small lanterns and candles. This was the biggest problem of the movie. And maybe should be skuzzyfied. :D
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Nefarious, I really liked it too (Stalingrad) but it looked to me as if they used Sven Hassel's book Stalingrad to base the film on.
Sven Hassel was a total fraud.
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I did'nt see "The Anzacs" mentioned anywhere (Aussies in WW1)
The Beast- Watch this for a understanding of how Afghans think
84 Charlie Mopic (if you can find it)
BoB
SPR
The sands of Iwo Jima
The Hellfighters (2 Classic John Wayne movies)
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Originally posted by Curval
Nefarious, I really liked it too (Stalingrad) but it looked to me as if they used Sven Hassel's book Stalingrad to base the film on.
Sven Hassel was a total fraud.
Huh, Ive read Plievers Novel and Beevor's Historical Account, never heard of Hassel.
I take it from your oppinion that I shouldnt bother though. They need to make a film based on Russ Schnieders "Siege".
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I actually really enjoyed the Hassel books but found out later that the claims of them being "real" stories were nonsense.
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FATHER GOOSE!!!!
btw... Enemy at the Gates sucked
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The Battle Of Britain..Dang..u guys brain ded?
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Pvt Ryan
Tora Tora Tora
patton - although terrible errors in details...
Devils Brigade
Apocalypse Now
Starblazers - The Gamellon Wars, and the Comet Empire deserve honorable mention...flying battleships capable of warp speed rock
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Here's my list:[list=1]
- Das Boot (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082096/)
- Tuntematon Sotilas (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048752/) (a Finnish movie about Continuation war against Soviet Union)
- Tmavomodrý svet (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0244479/) (Dark Blue World, a great Chech movie)
- Cross of Iron (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/)
- A Bridge Too Far (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075784/) [/list=1]
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Paths of Glory
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Attack on H3
OK - I doubt that anyone of you know this film - its an iranian war film.
:)
But its cool.
Here the story and some screenshots
http://members.tripod.com/kg51edelweiss/id289.htm
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1. SPR - Best War Movie Ever Made.
2. The Great Escape
3. The Alamo (John Wayne) - It IS a war movie.
4. 12 O' Clock High - Gregory Peck and Rod Stieger. 8th Grade teacher made us watch it, I'm glad he did.
5. Black Hawk Down
Karaya
I pissed my wife off when we were dating. Told a good re-release was coming out "Das Boot the Directors Cut". Made her sit in a theater for almost 4 hours. :lol
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If Kelly's Heros qualifies, so does this one...(the movie, not Alan Alda's...)
(http://www.sfedora.com/mash%20logo.jpeg)
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I just bought the Cross of Iron dvd yesterday...love that film, came in a box with the deer hunter, and born on the fourth of july
Tronsky
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If M*A*S*H* qualifies...
(http://www.moviemento.at/filmimages/one_two_three.jpg)
Cold War Cola War!
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Take all movies with a pinch of salt, some are so thick in propergander and so far from the truth to make them amusing.
My vote would go towards two books.
Forgotten Soldier and As Far As My Feet Will Carry Me.
...-Gixer
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everbody forget about Midway?:eek:
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I woudln't call Kellys Heros a war movie, just a crappy movie.
I thought Thin Blue Line was an excercise is making a bad movie. Just basically a confused peice of garbage, certainly not a a real war movie.
A lot of good movies listed though. How about "The Green Berets"? ;)
Saving Private Ryan gotta be one of the top five in any list.
Then I like
12 O'clock High
The Longest Day
To Hell and Back
BlackHawk Down
Those 5 in my opinion both tell good stories and maybe reflect in a small way the story of men in battle and what they experienced.
Other notables that come to mind would include
A Bridge to Far
Platoon (story is a little bizarre)
Band of Brothers (more a great mini-series, but better than most war movies)
Thirty Seconds over Tokyo
The Bridge at Remagen
Patton (of course)
Battleground
Battle of Britain
The Big Red One
Too many to list.
dago
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The Green Beret's? C'mon, get real. It was a bad John Wayne film...and I'm a John Wayne fan.
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I liked SPR, I wouldnt say its the best War Film ever though.
Band of Brothers was far superior to SPR in my oppinion, But to each his own.
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everbody forget about Midway?
I didn't forget about Midway, I just didn't think it was anywhere near the top 5, and that is what this thread was about. Thats also why I don't think Kellys Heros was worth anyone mentioning.
dago
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Anyone ever see?
Siege of Firebase Gloria
not a bad flick