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Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Curval on April 06, 2003, 12:28:16 PM: I'll bet many of the anti-war crowd look at these things as Iraqi society being fully supportive of Sadaam.

The reality is that they are there to remind the population that Big Brother is watching...and God help you if you cross him.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Dowding on April 06, 2003, 03:22:42 PM: Thanks again for telling the 'anti-war crowd' what they think. :rolleyes:
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: hawk220 on April 06, 2003, 03:26:25 PM: its true tho.

like when they are on camera hooting and hollering about how great Saddam is. They know if they were to say anything negative about how life is there or how Saddam is a royal salamander, they and their families would prolly be dead in a few days.

It will be interesting to see what the populace says once they are sure that Saddam and his controls are gone.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: straffo on April 06, 2003, 03:31:44 PM: I've just got some in the hope the will have the same value as a Picasso/Modigliani in 50 years :D
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Dowding on April 06, 2003, 03:36:22 PM: What? It's true that you can take a load of people, lump them into one pigeon-hole and then condescend to dictate what they all must think like some borg-like collective? And only associate mind numbingly stupid arguments with this mythical movement.

Please.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Sandman on April 06, 2003, 03:37:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by hawk220
its true tho.

like when they are on camera hooting and hollering about how great Saddam is. They know if they were to say anything negative about how life is there or how Saddam is a royal salamander, they and their families would prolly be dead in a few days.

Same thing here but to a much lesser degree. If we're not hooting and hollering about how great Bush is we're anti-americans, idiots, morons, communists...
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Sox62 on April 06, 2003, 03:46:10 PM: The Iraqi people are well aware I'm sure that big brother is watching,with the secret police,etc.

IMHO,all the statues and pictures were erected because Hussein is an egotist.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: bounder on April 06, 2003, 03:48:57 PM: Cult of the personality, vital to any totalitarian regime - or hollywood star.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Dowding on April 06, 2003, 03:52:07 PM: If I was a dictator, I'd have lots of statues too. It's a perk of the job, along with the death squads.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: straffo on April 06, 2003, 03:57:30 PM: It's mandatory to be a member of the club dowding :)
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: X2Lee on April 06, 2003, 05:21:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
Thanks again for telling the 'anti-war crowd' what they think. :rolleyes:

sure , its a dirty job but someone has to do it!
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: john9001 on April 06, 2003, 06:05:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
we're anti-americans, idiots, morons, communists...

thats the first true thing sandman has ever said.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Sandman on April 06, 2003, 06:12:49 PM: Ya know... I was beginning to wonder if conservatives are just insulting by nature. Thanks John. It appears that they are.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: NUKE on April 06, 2003, 06:14:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
If I was a dictator, I'd have lots of statues too. It's a perk of the job, along with the death squads.

LOL!
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: john9001 on April 06, 2003, 06:14:49 PM: sandy, don't take it too personal , just ment in jest
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: bounder on April 06, 2003, 06:32:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Ya know... I was beginning to wonder if conservatives are just insulting by nature. Thanks John. It appears that they are.

Do you mean an insult to nature?
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Sandman on April 06, 2003, 06:33:28 PM: Quote
Originally posted by bounder
Do you mean an insult to nature?

Nope... that would be a personal attack. Not really my style. :)
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Curval on April 06, 2003, 07:06:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding
What? It's true that you can take a load of people, lump them into one pigeon-hole and then condescend to dictate what they all must think like some borg-like collective? And only associate mind numbingly stupid arguments with this mythical movement.

Please.

Originally posted by Dowding
If I was a dictator, I'd have lots of statues too. It's a perk of the job, along with the death squads.

Now who is pigeon holeing? :rolleyes:

Note Sir that I said "I'll bet..." at the start of my post. I wasn't stating fact, just my opinion.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: hawk220 on April 07, 2003, 01:04:47 AM: Same thing here but to a much lesser degree. If we're not hooting and hollering about how great Bush is we're anti-americans, idiots, morons, communists...

good point Sandman.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Dowding on April 07, 2003, 03:34:51 AM: Perhaps if you put the word 'some' into your original statement, it might have made some sense and have some basis in fact.

But that would have less impact. As it is now it's just the usual bull****ty generalising.

Oh, and although you didn't notice, I was actually joking about the dictators part.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Curval on April 07, 2003, 06:45:47 AM: Okay Dowding...let's hear your thoery on why there are all those statues, murals etc of Sadaam.

I suspect you are just being argumentative and that you will probably now just ignore this thread as a direct question has now been posed..
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Dowding on April 07, 2003, 07:48:36 AM: Saddam is an egotistical, genocidal maniac. He like to see images of himself everywhere and it reminds people who is da boss.

The fact that Hussein was/is a nutcase has never been in doubt.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Curval on April 07, 2003, 07:56:57 AM: Okay, so we agree on why they are there...I guess your previous comments related to my thoughts on the anti-war people's opinions as to why they are there. Fair enough.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Dowding on April 07, 2003, 08:11:42 AM: Yes. :)

I was basically saying that painting 'anti-war' people as broadly pro-saddam is not accurate, in my opinion.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Ripsnort on April 07, 2003, 08:20:54 AM: Hmmm, I think most people are Anti-war. But then there are those that know when its necessary, and those that think its not and prefer to hide in the closet and wait for the big bad monster to just go away.(Thats usually the silver spoon variety) ;)
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: Dowding on April 07, 2003, 08:29:46 AM: It's the 'when it is neccessary' bit which is causing the most trouble.
Title: All the statues, murals and posters of Sadaam
Post by: StSanta on April 07, 2003, 08:33:09 AM: Fdor those of you not familiar with Saddam's psyche, I should inform you that he is a big fan of Joseph Stalin.

As Stalin (and Hitler) he has created a cult of personality. And he knows the psychological value of having his picture or whatever looking down on the population, reminding them that they have a leader that sees all, hears all, and punishes all.

His secret police is modelled after what Stalin did, and he has studied him in detail. The man is an utter narcissist, though an intelligent one.

Please, pro war people; be fair. being anti war doesn't mean being in support of Saddam Hussein. Who'll be irrelevant soon anyhow.

I wish for the best of luck for the coalition, although I do not support Bush. I hope the Iraqi people are given a chance to develop into a democratic people, and all things aside, the war is a relatively cost effective way or doing it. take all the people Saddam has killed or would have killed if he was to remain in power til he died. Compare with civilian and military casualties for coalition and Iraq.

I don't believe the war is about liberating Iraq. It's about Bush' bigger amibtion of shifting the power in the region yet if democracy comes to Iraq, I am more than willing to accept that as a spinoff effect, although I seriously do not buy the Bush propaganda and fancy words. I have lived long enough to realize that foreing policy isn't really defined by freedom etc, but by realpolitic concerns.