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Title: Me 262
Post by: MiloMorai on April 07, 2003, 08:29:54 AM

For those who would like some history of this a/c.

http://www.stormbirds.com/werknummer/gateway2.htm

For those that doubted the number of Me262s in sevice with the LW, they should read the 65 pages of Werk Nummer.

http://www.stormbirds.com/werknummer/db.cgi?db=default&uid=default&view_records=1&WerkNummer=*

Title: Me 262
Post by: Pongo on April 08, 2003, 01:18:24 AM

I could list a page of pennent numbers for type xxi uboats too. and serial numbers for lots of bear cats. How many saw service though?

Title: Me 262
Post by: Karnak on April 08, 2003, 01:42:00 AM

Just because they allotted large blocks of werk numbers to the 262, and even built 1,400+ in no way means that that many actually saw service.

Everything I've read thus far indicates about 150 actually saw combat.  They had an impact that far surpassed what their meager numbers might seem to indicate though.

Title: Me 262
Post by: Rasker on April 08, 2003, 05:49:06 AM

Their real problem was getting the fuel to fly.  On some bases teams of oxen would haul them to the end of the runway to save fuel use from taxiing!

Title: Me 262
Post by: MiloMorai on April 08, 2003, 08:31:53 AM

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Originally posted by Karnak
Just because they allotted large blocks of werk numbers to the 262, and even built 1,400+ in no way means that that many actually saw service.

Everything I've read thus far indicates about 150 actually saw combat.  They had an impact that far surpassed what their meager numbers might seem to indicate though.

You did not read the WNr listing then.;) In the first 10 pages there is at least 140 listed as with units that saw combat. Now there is another 55 pages of listings.:rolleyes:

Title: Me 262
Post by: Karnak on April 08, 2003, 10:31:21 AM

Yes, but just because they were assignd to combat units doesn't mean they actually did more than sit there without fuel.

Sorry.  The list isn't proof.

It doesn't matter anyways.  The Me262 was a significant and powerful fighter if 150 fought, or if 1500 fought.  We already have it in AH so the numbers don't affect that either.  It is perked due to how powerful it is, not its numbers, so once again, the actual number in combat does not matter.

Title: Me 262
Post by: MiloMorai on April 08, 2003, 01:43:38 PM

:rolleyes:

So you are saying that from June 1944 when EK 262 (combat test unit) was formed to May 1945 ONLY 150 Me262s saw combat? :D :D :D  That is only an average of 15 a/c per month.

:D, that means that of the ~65/month delivered, 50 just sat around doing nothing. :D :D :D

There was no J2 fuel shortage in 1944. On April 7 1945 III./JG7 and I./KG(J)54 put 44 and 15 Me262s in the air to attack American a/c. Seems there was enough fuel. (that is at least 118,000 litres) Does this mean that there was even less Me262s available in the other months since ONLY 150 saw combat?


I like your humour Karnak.:D

Title: Me 262
Post by: Pongo on April 08, 2003, 03:15:37 PM

Well this is an anoying thread.
Say how many you think saw combat...dont make someone else prove how many they think did.

Title: Me 262
Post by: Kubwak on April 08, 2003, 04:19:48 PM

not to mention the crappy jet engines they had in ww2, them engines had to be overhauled after a few hours of flight.  it seems like the 262s have shorter flight times than overhaul time

Title: Me 262
Post by: BenDover on April 09, 2003, 05:48:46 PM

i think they had to be replace after 12 hours of flight!!