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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Scootter on April 07, 2003, 09:52:17 AM
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What happened to the we gonna loose our @!S posts??
What happened to the grave yard in the city posts??
What happened to the Fox and CNN is all lies posts?
What happened to them? huh? what ?
What happened to no WMD what ?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=1&cid=578&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc
and the 4th I.D. is still on the way
am and Boroda could you be wrong?
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They are all planted, you see the US army found them so they cannot be trusted. The lies have allready begun!
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boroda still thinks the US/UK will lose
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Scooterr, I find your attitude somewhat disturbing, since I assume you're a grown up man.
What is with this gleeful 'shut the f*ck up' 'told you so' happiness at discovering these things? Or all things - sure Americans are pissed beause SOME European countries opposed the US way of handling the situation, but is that a Carte Blanche (French word, some US types might wish to boycott me now for using it :)) ensuring that childish behaviour is perfectly acceptable in a (I presume) adult environment?
It's just downright awful. The fact that we all knew or suspected he had them doesn't change a thing. We cannot know if more inspections would have resulted in a find - even though most would call the chances low.
Let us be adults here for a bit. I am sick and tired of seeing grown men act like 13 year old kids and yell STFU and GFY or whatever. It may be a very satisfying emotional feeling, but when you're a grown man, you should have the cognitive abilities and control over your emotions to instead of throwing childish insults around focus on the consequences of finds in an objective manner.
The Iraqis so far have put up more resistance than was initially expected. Their propaganda is full of lies and they cannot live up to their claims. Instead of pointing my finger at them and saying 'hahahahahah loooooosers nyahnyahnyahnyahnyah', I'd suggest a more mature evaluation of the events as they have progressed would be: 'war is going good. Soon, the Iraqis will experience true freedom, despite the baseless claims of their opressive tyrants of leaders'.
Might just be me, but I am a bit sick of the sandbox mentality expressed by some. People who boast and mock in such a manner generally fail to impress me - and what is the point of boasting if it actually detracts, rather than adds, value?
Continuing in the same way, I wonder about how an eventual war with North Korea would be like. Lots of hills, lots of good places to hide, a well equipped, well trained enemy. Instead relatively flat desert, conditions idea for IR targetting, second rate troops for the most part. Bush is smart for taking the diplomatic way there - if you can call stone walling diplomacy. Dunno where the hurt in talking directly to NK would be - oh yes, then the US woud be 'bullied' into talking and we can't have that.
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"""Carte Blanche (French word, some US types might wish to boycott me now for using it""""
americans use french words , also latin, hispanic, german, african,italian,and words from many more countries, even some english words, the american language is a open language that readly accepts new words (even invents new words) unlike french which is a closed language.
that is why english/american is the most widely used language in the world.
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Originally posted by john9001
"""Carte Blanche (French word, some US types might wish to boycott me now for using it""""
americans use french words , also latin, hispanic, german, african,italian,and words from many more countries, even some english words, the american language is a open language that readly accepts new words (even invents new words) unlike french which is a closed language.
that is why english/american is the most widely used language in the world.
only thing missing from this post is a "nanner nanner".
Nice post Santa.
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Scooter, I wouldn't exactly start celebrations quite yet, theres a long road ahead.
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Originally posted by john9001
that is why english/american is the most widely used language in the world.
Hmm.
Officially the most widely used language is Chinese.
I want to know if it is an anti-american post too.
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Originally posted by Scootter
What happened to the we gonna loose our @!S posts??
What happened to the grave yard in the city posts??
What happened to the Fox and CNN is all lies posts?
What happened to them? huh? what ?
What happened to no WMD what ?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=1&cid=578&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc
IN YOUR FACE
and the 4th I.D. is still on the way
it is just reduklles is all :p
am and Boroda shut the duck up!!!
Alex is already shut.
I am not, and hope I will not be.
What else did you expect? Intervents are surely going to make up some "evidence" of Iraqi WMD to justify an agression and thousands of civilian casualities.
Such things are pretty obvious. Absolutely no surprise.
I wonder if they will use chemical weapons somewhere at the front to make things more believable. I hope they won't.
:( :( :(
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santa is already predicting war with NK and the US will lose.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Scooter, I wouldn't exactly start celebrations quite yet, theres a long road ahead.
No question Rip,
I have been reading so many negative posts here about how we will fail and how we are failing and why we will fail, I only am asking now where are they?
I don't in any way mean to gloat, as many have died in this conflict. I would only hold my breath for a " gee maybe you were right US" post.
I guess the only thanks we will get may come from the free Iraqis.
I have served this country and if I seem happy that the majority of the fighting is almost over, I offer no apology.
I am proud of the troops successes so far and hope for there
safe return.
StSanta,
Thank you ,
You have a point about my post, and in some ways you are right. I have read the drivel exposed here and the anti American posts for many weeks to the point of nausea. The Sand box reference is not totally inaccurate, however please try to understand my frustration in this matter.
The situation with NK is totally different due mostly to the possession of Nuclear weapons and must be handled differently (and will be). This is the reason we needed to act before Saddam obtained a Nuclear weapon.
I will refrain from the childish moments of pride in my troops and my country, but I ask you to be there when others feel the need to say things like we planted the WMD and the US had its bellybutton handed to it. You write with such elegance and seem to be very well versed in getting your point across, I will look forward to seeing you more often in these posts.
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STsanta quote:"Continuing in the same way, I wonder about how an eventual war with North Korea would be like. Lots of hills, lots of good places to hide, a well equipped, well trained enemy. Instead relatively flat desert, conditions idea for IR targetting, second rate troops for the most part. Bush is smart for taking the diplomatic way there - if you can call stone walling diplomacy. Dunno where the hurt in talking directly to NK would be - oh yes, then the US woud be 'bullied' into talking and we can't have that."
NK is nearly bankrupt. All the well trained troops in the world will not avail you if you cannot feed them in the field or keep their vehicles full of fuel. On a conventional level, NK would prove to be little challenge to the U.S. Now... there's this nuclear thing.....
Boroda, You're too predictable.. you need to work on your "America is always in the wrong" strategy. Claiming we planted WMD the moment we find some is way too easy to see coming. You better spend some time with your propaganda department to learn some subtlety.
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Originally posted by john9001
"""Carte Blanche (French word, some US types might wish to boycott me now for using it""""
americans use french words , also latin, hispanic, german, african,italian,and words from many more countries, even some english words, the american language is a open language that readly accepts new words (even invents new words) unlike french which is a closed language.
that is why english/american is the most widely used language in the world.
So I didn't park my car in a "parking" when going to a "pizzeria" to eat ?
And I'm not using a "joystick"' when I'm playing AH ?
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Originally posted by Steve
Boroda, You're too predictable.. you need to work on your "America is always in the wrong" strategy. Claiming we planted WMD the moment we find some is way too easy to see coming. You better spend some time with your propaganda department to learn some subtlety.
What subtlety?
Are you seriously expecting mr. Bush saying "Excuse me, we didn't find any WMD in Iraq, so UN inspectors, Russians, French and German were right"?... After all that hysteria that I see even here?
America is right in many things. Examples: stopping their aid to Taliban and trying to restore order in Afghanistan, declaring war on terrorism (in fact - joining it), etc.
In the case of invasion in Iraq - it is a "big mistake" (c) V.V. Putin. You see, I sometimes agree even with our ex-KGB president...
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Originally posted by Scootter
I have been reading so many negative posts here about how we will fail and how we are failing and why we will fail, I only am asking now where are they?
I didn't see messages predicting failure, only that it was a bad idea.
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Originally posted by Boroda
What subtlety?
Are you seriously expecting mr. Bush saying "Excuse me, we didn't find any WMD in Iraq, so UN inspectors, Russians, French and German were right"?... ...
Just as I would expect to see Germany, France, and Russia to predictably claim that any WMD found was planted.
I mean, do you seriously expect Mr. Putin, Chirac, etc to say "Excuse me, we see you found WMD in Iraq, so US, you were right?"
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It's exactly what our goverments meant: we need more inspections to convince Iraq in posessing WMD. Not war, but inspections.
Violence is a last refuge of incompetence.
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but , boroda , we are having inspections, the US/UK troops are doing the inspections.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Violence is a last refuge of incompetence.
Although I disagree with the use of the word "refuge" I will agree that violence is the final action taken as the result of incompitence. In this case, the incompitence falls squarely on the shoulders of the United Nations.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Hmm.
Officially the most widely used language is Chinese.
Oh yes, I'm allways meeting people who aren't chinese that are speaking chinese, all over the world . Africa, South America, North America Europe, Australia, these places are just chock full of people who understand chinese. And if you really want to become proficient with modern software you'd better damn well understand chinese .
Oh,btw, there is no chinese language .
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Originally posted by Suave
Oh yes, I'm allways meeting people who aren't chinese that are speaking chinese, all over the world . Africa, South America, North America Europe, Australia, these places are just chock full of people who understand chinese. And if you really want to become proficient with modern software you'd better damn well understand chinese .
Oh,btw, there is no chinese language .
You have to forgive Baroda, every argument he has used is now null, so he's frantically grasping at straws.
Russian arms in Iraq: Destroyed.
WMD: Found
Iraqi citizens for Saddam: Uprising
Coalition taking huge casualties: Sitting in Baghdad
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Mandarin Chinese is spoken by more people than any other language.
Including English.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Mandarin Chinese is spoken by more people than any other language.
Including English.
and your point?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Mandarin Chinese is spoken by more people than any other language.
Including English.
yeah but in how many countries?
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LOL
Dam gentlemen.... it is entirely possible Boroda could actually be correct about something... even if it is the most common language in the world. Get a grip fer cryin out loud.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
LOL
Dam gentlemen.... it is entirely possible Boroda could actually be correct about something... even if it is the most common language in the world. Get a grip fer cryin out loud.
Ok, I'll grant him that.
Chinese is the most common language spoken in China.
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Most widely spoken.
Spoken by largest amount of people.
Two very different claims.
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Scooterr, I can relate to yer feelings. Oddly enough, it seems as if yuor own media (like CNN) has been particularly happy about what they saw as a flaw in the US plan. The media went over it like wolves, and the anti-war crowd got a kick out of it.
I find that disgusting. Even the anti-war crowd must know that a swift US victory will mean less suffering for all parts - be they US/British soldiers, Iraqii soldiers, or civilians and journalists.
I can relate to your feelings. The thing is on these and other boards you either get one extreme or the other it seems. Either you have pro-war dominance which quickly makes any argument degenerate into 'child killers' or you have a pro war crowd which turns into 'hah, look at those corpses; they sure ain't so high 'n fancy now!'.
I hope for and expect a relatively quick victory for the Coalition in this war. Of late we've seen evidence of Iraqis starting to understand that the Coalition WILL rid Iraq of their current regime. If the Coaliton does a decent job here at rebuilding, I think it'll work out ok. If they do what they did in Afghanistan - essentially semi-securing the capital and little else - then expect to see Iraq engulfed in a civil war as different ethnic groups try to claim the land for themselves, and in doing so, will opress the newly liberated people
Bush said during his election campaign that h wasn't interested in 'nation building'. It was one way he distinguished himself from Gore. I am therefore a bit worried about how much money he's gonna put behind his words. The war is the easy bit; keeping the peace and winning democracy is gonna be tough. Hope the current administration has the subtle diplomatic presence to do so; from what I've seen so far, Bush doesn't. It is possible that his advisors do, however.
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Originally posted by john9001
that is why english/american is the most widely used language in the world.
English/American :)
Just English John. Theres no such thing as English/American.
Unless perhaps your from Texas.
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Mhh, I thought the most spoken language was Spanish... go figure.
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"U.S. military officers said on Monday first tests on substances found in a central Iraqi town suggested the presence of banned chemical agents -- but said they could turn out to be simple pesticides. "
Read the last sentence again. Then read it again.
They did _not_ find any WMD whatsoever so far. Judging from the pre-war reports, Iraq should have been full of the stuff.
They have you by the chain.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
"U.S. military officers said on Monday first tests on substances found in a central Iraqi town suggested the presence of banned chemical agents -- but said they could turn out to be simple pesticides. "
Read the last sentence again. Then read it again.
They did _not_ find any WMD whatsoever so far. Judging from the pre-war reports, Iraq should have been full of the stuff.
They have you by the chain.
They dont need no stinking facts!!!
FOX's word is enough.
:D
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Don't be so proud of english being the "lingua franca", maybe it's just because it's so ridiculously simple that any retard can learn it. Sort of a "lowest common denominator" :cool:
About the rest, what StSanta said... grow up guys. Thanks god for people like Midnight Target, SMB Sandman etc... they keep me from really hating the USA.
We didn't want the war, because people would be dead as a result. Thousands have died. So we were right. We didn't want the USA to attack, we didn't want Saddam to "win". Life isn't a football game.
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[We didn't want the war, because people would be dead as a result. Thousands have died. So we were right. We didn't want the USA to attack, we didn't want Saddam to "win". Life isn't a football game.
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Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?
Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?
Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?
NO NO NO
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?
Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?
Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?
NO NO NO
Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?
Who knows? we did'nt try.
Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?
NO
Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?
There's a difference in who pulled the trigger?
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Originally posted by Naso
Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?
Who knows? we did'nt try.
Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?
NO
Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?
There's a difference in who pulled the trigger?
We tried for 12 years. But you forget that, eh? You also forget that this war could easily have been avoided by Hussein. He could merely have complied with the '91 agreements at any time during those 12 years.
No, he wasn't going away.
The difference in who pulled the trigger is this. In a short while, the Coalition war against Hussein and his henchmen will be over. Without that, the Hussein war against his own Iraqi people would go on indefinitely.
I think we've ploughed this ground enough. You can excuse anything Hussein did and that will never change. You have a right to look the other way and feel superior about doing so.
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I know it used to be Spanish SAW, but I think the computer age pushed English over the top. I have no idea if that's fact or not.
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Originally posted by Toad
We tried for 12 years. But you forget that, eh? You also forget that this war could easily have been avoided by Hussein. He could merely have complied with the '91 agreements at any time during those 12 years.
No, we did'nt try, the embargo was a joke, as all the s..t is flying between western countries shows.
No, he wasn't going away.
for sure, and we can open a discussion on what can be done in such cases, cooperating, instead of fighting, to find a better solution than bombs.
The difference in who pulled the trigger is this. In a short while, the Coalition war against Hussein and his henchmen will be over. Without that, the Hussein war against his own Iraqi people would go on indefinitely.
I still want this thing ending with Hussein out of the play and as quickest as possible with minimal losses to ALL parties involved.
Dont try to label me as Hussein friend, you will insult your own inteligence doing that.
Still there have been someone phisically pulling that trigger.
IMHO,
"We are trying our best to avoid unnecessary deaths, but, since we are not perfect, we made mistakes, and those civilians deaths are our responsability, we will do our best to improve in efficiency"
instead of
"Blame Saddam!! He pulled the trigger!! I was watching Al-jazeera and they for sure put some subliminal image ordering me to drop the bomb on that house!! The Iraqi information minister hypnotized me!!! At the end they were only a bunch of ragheads"
Bad PR?
;)
I think we've ploughed this ground enough. You can excuse anything Hussein did and that will never change. You have a right to look the other way and feel superior about doing so.
Again you are falling in the mistake to accusing me to defend Saddam.
Drop that Black and White filter out your eyes, and start looking the others in full colors.
And dont look at me when you talk about "feeling superior", I accept critics, and I admit when I am wrong, something that seem soooo rare here.
;)
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CentCom HAS said that unfortunately, civilian casualties are inevitable.
Their position is:
We don't target civilians.
Mistakes happen when you are fighting in urban areas.
Saddam DOES use civilians as shields, increasing the chances they will be hurt.
Saddam hides arms in schools and hospitals, for crying out loud. Perhaps instead of screaming the coalition is inept, they should be condemning Saddam's tactics.
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Naso i just compare Saddam with Nazi's like mussolini and hitler and he can be compared.
Now would u do buisness with Saddam?
I wouldn't, just let his corpse rot in hell.
Ur peacefull thought would have cost thousends of lives
Thank u
Politically it always stinks but the cause is definitly GOOD.
Thinkin u can solve the regime peacefully is ignorantly stupid.
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Originally posted by Toad
The difference in who pulled the trigger is this. In a short while, the Coalition war against Hussein and his henchmen will be over. Without that, the Hussein war against his own Iraqi people would go on indefinitely.
Toad, you tried to persuade me that Evil Soviet Regime was about to kill me. JFYI: it wasn't.
So far I see brave "coalition" warriors arresting all BAAS party members. Doesn't it remind you of what nazis did to Communists in 1941-44? Is BAAS a criminal organisation, recognized as criminal by international court like NSDAP?
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Originally posted by Naso
I still want this thing ending with Hussein out of the play and as quickest as possible with minimal losses to ALL parties involved.
Dont try to label me as Hussein friend, you will insult your own inteligence doing that.
My respect, Naso!
It's exactly what I wanted to say about myself.
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Boroda Baath party is like nsdap.
Lotsa similaritys.
People in Iraq have to thnk like party does if not....
People in germany had to think like nazi's or....
They eliminate kurds vice versa jews
etc.
What good did the baath regime for the normal people??
hhhhm not much.
Human rights???
Torture???
Saddam's brother raping teenage girls feeding em to dogs.
Dad and Mom complaining no problem pang pang...
They deserved a peacefull solution :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, you tried to persuade me that Evil Soviet Regime was about to kill me. JFYI: it wasn't.
So far I see brave "coalition" warriors arresting all BAAS party members. Doesn't it remind you of what nazis did to Communists in 1941-44? Is BAAS a criminal organisation, recognized as criminal by international court like NSDAP?
No, it reminds me of what the Allies did to Nazis in 1945
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Originally posted by Naso
No, we did'nt try, the embargo was a joke, as all the s..t is flying between western countries shows.
Oh yes, we did. Inspectors in, inspectors thrown out by SH. Inspectors in, inspectors out. Embargo? Just which countries were the first to break the embargo? Why the same ones that opposed action after they voted FOR UN SC 1441.
We tried. The world tried as well as the UN can try.. which isn't too good, is it? Not when permanent members of the UN SC won't support the embargo, eh?
for sure, and we can open a discussion on what can be done in such cases, cooperating, instead of fighting, to find a better solution than bombs.
Oh, we found an easy solution. All that was needed was for SH to comply with the UN resolutions. What could be easier than that? And totally certain to avoid any warfare that way too.
Quit blaming the rest of the world. Blame the guy responsible for all this: SH.
I still want this thing ending with Hussein out of the play and as quickest as possible with minimal losses to ALL parties involved.
That's what every normal person wanted at the beginning and still wants now.
Further, that's EXACTLY what you are getting. I challenge you to come up with any other Coalition of forces, any other battle plan that would have resulted in lower "losses to ALL parties involved". I had my doubts early on, but Franks & Company has so far done an excellent job on minimizing casualties to ALL parties. My only b tch is that I think a greater use of airpower early on would have saved some Coalition lives and possibly some Iraqi ones as well. The Iraqis may not have fought much if given more "rolling thunder" before shootable targets came at them.
Dont try to label me as Hussein friend, you will insult your own inteligence doing that.
I haven't called you anything nor labeled you as anything. I let people create their own personas with their own words.
Still there have been someone phisically pulling that trigger.
Yes, his name was SH. He could have avoided the entire conflict by complying with the UN SC resolutions. He's the one that gave orders to dip people in acid baths and feed real live people into shredders.
Put the blame where it belongs.
"We are trying our best to avoid unnecessary deaths, but, since we are not perfect, we made mistakes, and those civilians deaths are our responsability, we will do our best to improve in efficiency"
I think Centcom has admitted mistakes when they happened and have been confirmed and they are investigating.. with world news representatives present... the unconfirmed claims.
[quoteAgain you are falling in the mistake to accusing me to defend Saddam.[/quote]
I'm not accusing you of anything.
You make your own bed here.
Some can look the other way while Iraq deliberately delays compliance with UN SC resolutions on WMD, while SH throws inspectors out, while SH cheats on the terms of the '91 ceasefire.
They can also ignore the proven facts that the guy in charge, SH, is a genocidal murderer of hundreds of thousands of his own citizens and the person that has killed more Muslims in the last 20 years than any other living person.
They can look the other way and ignore that while criticizing Bush as an imperialist baby killer. And then they fail to see why folks don't take them seriously.
Like I said, everyone paints their own portrait here, not with colors but with words.
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Boroda, I don't think I tried to convince you that the Soviet regime was trying to kill you.
I merely pointed out that your favorite regime murdered MILLIONS of its own citizens over several decades.
Not to mention the Poles at Katyn and a few other places.
But of course, in Borada's Fantasyland, documented history has no place and no standing.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Violence is a last refuge of incompetence.
*cough* Afghanistan 1980
You are comedy gold dude. You should take your act on the road and reap millions of capitalist dollars in nightclubs. Maybe Yakov Smirnoff will give you a spot in his Branson, MO club.
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the iraq people are hanging BAATH party members from light poles in baghdad.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I wonder if they will use chemical weapons somewhere at the front to make things more believable. I hope they won't.
You just flushed any idea's I had of you being a sensible human being. And just to set the record straight, if you think I'm offended at your very existance, your right.
Another one for the ignore list.
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originally posted by st santa
It may be a very satisfying emotional feeling, but when you're a grown man, you should have the cognitive abilities and control over your emotions to instead of throwing childish insults around focus on the consequences of finds in an objective manner.
didja see that iraq guy pounding a picture of saddam with his shoe? or the guy that was dry-humping it?
they appeared to be grown men.
now, they are free men.
ain't that somethin?
;)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Violence is a last refuge of incompetence.
LOL !
So, If a crazy person is invading your house by force, raping your wife and you have to resort to "violence" in order to stop it, are you then incompetent? (I know you are incompetent regardless)
What a joke you are Boroda. I really wish your non paying, pirating bellybutton would be removed from this BBS.
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I don't know Tumor. He's not really like the other ones. He's more like a frozen caveman coming to life. A snapshot of history, if you will. Not to mention Comedy Gold.
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Originally posted by Toad
I don't know Tumor. He's not really like the other ones. He's more like a frozen caveman coming to life. A snapshot of history, if you will. Not to mention Comedy Gold.
Comedy I'll have to force myself to miss. I can only take so much before I realize I'm wasting eye strain on blatant stupidity. Sorry if I offended any of those condemned to read this board equipped with a double digit IQ.