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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RAM on September 12, 2000, 10:33:00 PM
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Well I had this feeling since the release of 1.04...but now I am pretty sure that **something** has changed in the gunnery.
HT, Pyro, has the gunnery changed?...I have never been a great shooter, but *not* hitting a Lancaster, in a down-up pass at 300-200 yards...well... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I ain't hitting nothing either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Probably because of icon changes; seems I depended a wee bit too much on tem when judging lead or deflection shots.
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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Id swear the guns stop working when the icon winks out. Who knows. I ve been fireing at the same spots for months, they always lit up before. BTW I like the icon setup.
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Them dissin icons make it about 50% harder to hit anythng while pullin med-hvy g's because of the bullet drop below your view. ...... but i likes it .. this gettin better all the time.
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Huhmmmm...no, I dont talk 'bout icons dissapearing, I ask about the gunnery itself.
For instance, yesterday I attacked 3 times in a row that lancaster,down-up attacks, I was used to do them to the B26s (much smaller targets)...spent 450 20mm rounds only to hit him a bit in the wing ,at 300! yards ,when I used to be quite good in those popping up attacks.
The icon kept visible all the time...so cant be that.
Another example, near A1 yesterday I dived to clear a six, got in 250yds and fired a 100 round burst on a sitting spit.
only 2! pings.
As I said, I never was a hot shot, but neither am I a lousy shot. Something happens here, and dont know exactly what. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
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We have not changed gunnery.
HiTech
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Why hard deflection shots are so difficult now?
Am no the only one who has noticed this! And from the first minute after 1.04 download.
Something has changed in my opinion too.
Maybe it depends on FM....
Ciao
Lucc
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Maybe it's the plane attitude. If HT has changed FM, maybe your guns are not pointing the same point they used to, because the plane is not flying the same (AOA, comes to my mind). Just a guess, I suck now as I usually sucked at gunnery in previous versions.
Cheers,
Pepino
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Deflection shots are hard now because there is no longer an icon below the nose to help track the bogy.
I find that about the only way to get a really high deflection shot, when in a lead pursuit, is to guess-timate when to pull the trigger. Or, for exmaple, if flying the P-38 I'll move my head all the way left or right so I am able to look at the contact a bit around my nose.
Otherwise I've noticed no change in ballistics or the guns at all. They're the same, except the bill board is gone telling me to "!Shoot here!"
-Westy
(edited to sound semi-literate)
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 09-13-2000).]
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Yep no more cheating, aiming at the icon when the plane is under your nose. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Makes the old Lufberry a bit more useful.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-13-2000).]
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Turn off the tracers.
Funny thing- it's helped my gunnery (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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-Rebel
JG2 "Richtofen"
"You Rebel Scum"
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The other change is that planes are generaly traveling faster now, hence different amount of lead.
HiTech
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^ AHA! I wasn't leading enough!
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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Check your convergence settings....they can change after a new dl.
CRASH
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Something else is going on... and I think part of it is the new FM/joystick feel. Making small adjustments to the flight path near the center of the stick produces a diffrent 'bobble' than the original 'bobble'.
Yah, I know; that sounds whacked, but assuming that 'gunnery did not change' and since we're not talking about deflection/icon issues, but rather normal tracking shots from within normal lethal ranges, I've seen my giunnery go from .1300 to .0750 or so... dammit; I can't hit squat suddenly!!! So something changed! Snap shots are useless concepts.. the planes whip thru the bullet stream so quick I've had NO sprites on shots that used to kill.
It's time to re-learn how to point and shoot these damn guns with this new FM!
Further.. dunno what's causing this but with this rev I'm seeing a whole bunch more warping close in.. I saddle up tight; squeeze off a shot; and WALLAH.. damn thing has warped 15 degrees around the circle...
I'm shootin into his ghost. That REALLY sucks.
Whats remarkable is that in 4 days I have not had one engagement in close where warping was NOT present! And; folks THAT also porks gunnery BIGTIME, and genreally reduces my warm fuzzies about the new FM's.. I mean; gee whiz, it flies nice; but fer crissakes I can't hit nothin cause the damn con's are warping and the damn FM bobbles around the center of the JS.. humph. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Seems to me when we have more tha about 100 bodies on the server; the close in warping becomes REALLY bad. Time for that HA yet HT?
Hang
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I hadnt thought about the difference in speed/lead. Thanks HT. It was only the BnZ planes this seem to happen in (rechecked). Ill ajust aim.
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Ya know, I have been noticing something about warps myself. It seems that whenever I am near a field, enemy or friendly, when an a/c spawns onto the runway, I get a major warp. I don't have to be looking at the runway either, just started seeing the ufo(TM) go from the hangar or tower to the runway and realized it was coralateing (SP) with the warps I was seeing. Anyone else?
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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I wonder if something in 1.04 now conflicts with some types of vid/sound cards causing shots to appear to go one way but in reality they do elsewhere on the screen.
I don't see any of these warps nor gunnery misses that some are reporting. Using a Diamond MX300 sound card, Viper V770 vid card. Daimond drivers both and Win98.
-Westy
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Hehehe.
Hey HT, if you only had a nickle for every time somebody said "It feels like you changed X", you would be wealthy indeed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Heheheh... you guys kill me.
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- Steve Earl
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Originally posted by hitech:
The other change is that planes are generaly traveling faster now, hence different amount of lead.
HiTech
HT, I almost instantly noticed the nose bouncing more for some reason in the 1.04 patch.
Now I suspect this is because I have less time to make a shot accurate or the lack of icons to shoot below the nose...so recoil causes more problems
but man first time I lit all 6 of the Pony's .50's up that nose went all over the place, I couldn't hit for beans even on a S&L shot solution (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Infact I found I was hitting better judging where they were below the nose, unloading and blowing off tails (ala Tiff) as opposed to BnZ attacks where they didn't break.
- Jig
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Seen the same sorts of things Hang, lots of close in warping and planes flying through the bullet stream without a scratch. I figured the warping was from the users D/l'ing the new version and the missed hots from bad aim.
I'll give it another couple of days before I'm conviced it's not just me though... that warping is annoying though when you are close... it's microwarping but often a good shot is a matter of only a degree or two.
Soda
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personally I havent see any difference in the gunnery. True you can't see the hit sprites and icons under the nose anymore--this took me some adjustment. My gunnery hasnt gotten any better or worse though.
as for the warps-- yup seen more of those lately. They are down right aggravating when its starting to get up close and fun.
Discoed several times int he last 3 days too.
My Opinion is the gunnery is fine, but the connections are getting a little shaky. I never had a disco (at least at HTC's server) until last version. Now in 1.04 I have had several.
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Soda what ISP are you using ?
I have a very similar problem gents.
And I dont think its a placebo effect or mass internet hysteria. I think its a legitimate concern.
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Im pretty sure its not the gunnery model. I think that the the plane your in can pull harder G's now and the enemas plane can also pull harder G's.
Remedy??
1. Dont be so hamfisted (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
2. More lead!!
I love it no more giving up every time you saw a guy on your dead 6. The old FM was porked we just need to become good at this one!
Seriously I have noticed the bobbing a bit not sure if a sheep is in my plane?? hmmmm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Rgr that Baddawg.. the warp when close thingie is gettin frustrating indeed. When there's less than 100 bodies in the arena it seems to get much less evident. Sure seems like it's time for a HA; what with 130 or more on every night now. (HINT!)
And it sure seems to me that the 'feel' of the FM just around center stick is odd indeed. The nose bobbles.. no spiking evident in the stick calibration routines. Not complaining.. just observing. I'll get used to it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Well, I'm finding it a lot harder to hit planes with the same shots that I used to (when I could track them under my nose with the big red beacon) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif), but I haven't had any serious problems with warps, micro or otherwise. Since 1.04 came out I've seen 1 tiny little micro-warp. Generally my flying is done around 8pm Pac time or later with less than 100 people on, but even when I log on at the peak, including download day last Friday, I don't notice any problems. Aside from that fact that I'm special, why is that?
SOB