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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Preon1 on April 08, 2003, 11:09:51 AM
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Dear Pyro,
I'd like to turn back a few pages in AH history.
Anyone who remembers Aces High two years ago remembers the domination of the Main Arena by the F4U-1C (lovingly called the CHog). That powerful aircraft with its four antisocial lasers and long clip was the bane of every other pilot flying in range of its spray. Because of that, people complained that the plane didn't belong in the Arena due to its limited impact in WWII. Soon after, the plane was perked and some 600-900 lbs of lead bricks were added to its flight model, forever leashing the beast.
Turning back to the near future.
Now that AH is going to the dual nature of a game and a sim/rpg, isn't it about time that the bricks be taken out of the F4U-1C? You can make it a 30-point perk in AH Classic and it'll never get out of the hangar in AHII.
Please, Please, PLEASE give us the plane we know and love back to us.
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Yeah take that weight off of F4U-1C, who cares if it was added because it was lacking the weight in the first place!
// fats
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Preon whats next, you want WW2 time UFO sightings modeled with laser cannons and unlimited ammo? :)
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They became heavier because it was too light.
You're making that sound as if HTC purposely added in extra weight to neuter the Chog..
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Preon whats next, you want WW2 time UFO sightings modeled with laser cannons and unlimited ammo? :)
hmm..........
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I really dont think the CHog should be perked in the first place. The N1K and CHog are basicaly one in the same as far as its canons go... The Jap cannons have a little less effective distance to them but very much alike. So should we perk that too. And what about the La7, everyone and their brother flys that thing, should that be perked??? My point is, Please Please Please de-perk the CHog:D
Jeffer
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I say We Perk out the LA-7 to encourage those pilots learn tactics in other planes.
Seems to me that far too many ppl are taking advantage of that speed and running more than fighting. Maybe even do the same for the Pony.
2Hawks.
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Gotta be careful here. The most hazardous undertaking by HTC is that of riding the fine blade (with a snail sliding along it) between game and sim.
It needs to be believable enough to the adults, but fun enough for the kids.......I guess
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When does the perking stop??? You can't go perking the Pony that for sure. HTC would get so much crap that they couldn't handle it. I will say though, there are alot of guys who fly La7s regularly. Perk them and you can be it will make alot of guys very unhappy. Remember, this is also a game as much as it is a flight sim. Start making people mad and they will stop paying their 15 bucks a month and find another game to play.
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Ok we perk the LA7 like the CHog.The LA7 dweebs get mad and leave.The down side is.......................:rolleyes:
Seriously tho,the CHog shouldnt be perked.The additional weight I have no issue with.Im not informed enough on the subject.It does take a smart hand to fly it tho.Its no LA7 or NIK that anyone that lands less than 4 kills should auger just so nobody knows they landed <1> kill in a NIK
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Tell now, why dont you like the La7?? With the C Hog though i do agree with you, it does take a littke skill to fly it. It not the most forgiving plane in the game and for the guys who really like to fly them, this plane whould not be perked:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
I say We Perk out the LA-7 to encourage those pilots learn tactics in other planes.
Seems to me that far too many ppl are taking advantage of that speed and running more than fighting. Maybe even do the same for the Pony.
2Hawks.
Hey, leave th Pony alone! I love that plane just the way it is. And I never run, once I've decided to engage. Not all Ponys are runstangs.
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Chog is my baby. I pay a lot for her. I say up the perk to 40 so I don't have to have a bunch of no skill dweebs ruining my babies reputation. :-/
In case you failed to see the sarcasm, I been crying about this perk ever since the niki and the later la7 came out. Don't perk them but it leaves no reason for my baby to be perks still. In its time it did need the perk, but not now.
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Originally posted by Yeager
It needs to be believable enough to the adults, but fun enough for the kids.......I guess
I think Yeager is on to something here, how about a kiddie pool for everyone under the age of 40. :)
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That plane was unreal ...
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Originally posted by zipity
I think Yeager is on to something here, how about a kiddie pool for everyone under the age of 40. :)
I'd prefer a beer garden
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In case you failed to see the sarcasm, I been crying about this perk ever since the niki and the later la7 came out. Don't perk them but it leaves no reason for my baby to be perks still. In its time it did need the perk, but not now. [/B][/QUOTE]
AGREED 100%. with out perking the N1KI and tht La7, there is no reason that the Chog should be perked.
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it's the pilot not the plane, i say we perk any pilots with a high K/D
a good pilot in a bad plane will win over a bad pilot in a "good" plane every time.
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Originally posted by john9001
it's the pilot not the plane, i say we perk any pilots with a high K/D
a good pilot in a bad plane will win over a bad pilot in a "good" plane every time.
I dont really know if perking the planes of pilots who are good is really going to do much. Put an experienced pilot in almost any plane he knows how to fly, and he will do well no matter what. I think your getting a little off base from this what this thread is about John. The point of it is, perking the Chog is all well and good, but take out the extra weight that HT put in it. I feel, that the extra added weight should have been enough, and then they went and perked it which is where I disagree.
I also think that if they are going to keep the perks on the Chog, that they also need to perk the N1KI. 4 20mm's with just as many rounds, and the pilots Ive seen fly then are no wheres near prudent when it comes to spaying the sky with 20mm rounds. Its a win loose situation that HT has here. Perk the N1KI and those pilots will complain, keep the Chog perked, and we will complain.
The only other good alternative is to unperk the Chog. Besides, I would much rather fly the Hogs than a N1kI anyday. But the fact that the N1KI isnt perked, and turns awsome, and has the same deadly 20's on it, leans me toward the N1KI time after time.
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Originally posted by streetstang
I dont really know if perking the planes of pilots who are good is really going to do much. Put an experienced pilot in almost any plane he knows how to fly, and he will do well no matter what. I think your getting a little off base from this what this thread is about John. The point of it is, perking the Chog is all well and good, but take out the extra weight that HT put in it. I feel, that the extra added weight should have been enough, and then they went and perked it which is where I disagree.
I also think that if they are going to keep the perks on the Chog, that they also need to perk the N1KI. 4 20mm's with just as many rounds, and the pilots Ive seen fly then are no wheres near prudent when it comes to spaying the sky with 20mm rounds. Its a win loose situation that HT has here. Perk the N1KI and those pilots will complain, keep the Chog perked, and we will complain.
The only other good alternative is to unperk the Chog. Besides, I would much rather fly the Hogs than a N1kI anyday. But the fact that the N1KI isnt perked, and turns awsome, and has the same deadly 20's on it, leans me toward the N1KI time after time.
Ever heard of sarcasm?
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Originally posted by BenDover
Ever heard of sarcasm?
Yes, and i didnt find it to be funny:rolleyes:
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What is it now?7 or 8 perks???Suck it up and pay em.You can make enough perks to fly that plane
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Originally posted by Booky
Chog is my baby. I pay a lot for her. I say up the perk to 40 so I don't have to have a bunch of no skill dweebs ruining my babies reputation. :-/
What? Everyone afraid of the F4U-4? Now THAT'S a plane worth every damn perk point. Who needs cannons with that power and speed.
perk the La-7. The C hog is fine where it is, but the F4U-4, lower to 30 base...most guys are gonna noseplant it anyway :)
In case you failed to see the sarcasm, I been crying about this perk ever since the niki and the later la7 came out. Don't perk them but it leaves no reason for my baby to be perks still. In its time it did need the perk, but not now.
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Wait a minute here ... your telling us that the C-Hog had EXTRA weight added to it to pork/neuter it ... or was the extra weight added back on because someone proved that when it was originally introduced is was too light.
I would tend to believe that latter and someone would need to prove the preceeding.
I fly all the F4U variants, and I find that the -D and the -C fly very similar and never get the feeling that the C-Hog is sluggish due to more weight than its -D counterpart.
Where is F4UDOA when ya need him ???
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hiding?
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SlapShot,
It was added because it was found to be too light. FunkedUp posted a link to post from Pyro in a thread with this same name over at "General Discussion" or was it "Aircrafts And Vehicles". In other words I am too lazy to go find it my self but had the energy to type all this...
// fats
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Heya SlapShot,
I always lurkinging a dark corner somewhere.
Unfortunately I think I am at least partially responsable for this porking.
In providing charts to Pyro for the F4U-1D I also provided charts that showed an increase in weight of the F4U-1C.
The kicker is that stall numbers are provided with these charts that show very little change in stall. Therefore should have very little change in handling in comparison to the F4U-1D. However it seems to feel much heavier when in fact the difference is a few hundred pounds with little differance in performance.
F4U-1D/C (http://www.geocities.com/slakergmb/id71.htm)
Here is the page
(http://www.geocities.com/slakergmb/19d28170.jpg)
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Sheesh you people are perking up the wrong tree...
It's that blasted 205 that needs to be perked.
People fly that death box just to get mega perk points... and that's not right... the only way to get a kill with those water pistols is when the other guy laughs him self into an auger and it's becomes a maneuver kill....
PERK the 205!!!
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Perk everything (modestly) that wasn't in production when the US of A entered the war. Sure would cut down on the HOs and suicide missions, at least by the perked rides. Also cut the points you get drastically for not landing them. And if you have no points on the mission when you die, you get docked dweeb points for your ineptitude. Oh yea, and if you manage to kill me, no matter what I'm in, you get double the points...;)
Magoo
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To cut down on HOs and suicide missions make deaths in any plane cost a % of your perks (% so as to never have any player with negative perks).
P = perk cost of plane at takeoff
T = total perks available
C = Perk Cost %
L = Landed (Yes=0 No=1)
Cost = (P+(T*C))*L
(200+(300*.25))*0 = 0 Perk Cost landed Jet
(200+(300*.25))*1 = 275 Perk Cost Death Jet
(0+(300*.25))*0 = 0 Perk Cost Landed Typhoon
(0+(300*.25))*1 = 75 Perk Cost Lost Typhoon
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The CHog was perked because HTC felt it was dominating the arena. The metrics (kills in a tour) were backing this up because this one plane had twice as many kills as the second plane, and this one plane was accounting for nearly 20% of kills (I can't remember overall or just fighter to fighter) in a tour. HTC felt that was too much usage for one plane, so they put a light perk on it.
The La7, N1K2 and Spitfires (any one model) taken individually do not dominate the arena like the one F4U-1C did. Instead of having ONE plane dominating the arena, you've got 3. Even then that's not really the case. The P-51D does a fair share of the killings in the arena.
Basically, the CHog was no perked on the plane's real life performance, but based on its usage in the MA.