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Title: Rip apart 'Behind Enemy Lines"
Post by: muckmaw on April 08, 2003, 01:56:24 PM
I hate Owne Wilson.
I hate when people walk into the Museum and say, "That can't be right, in Top Gun Maverick did this...."

It is our duty to stomp out ignorance on aviation in America. I begin with the bane of my existence, "Behind Enemy Lines".

Please feel free to add...

Just prior to taking off from the carrier, you see clear shot of the pilot activating the "master arm switch". This arms all the weapons on board the aircraft. You would never arm your weapons until airborne.

Shortly after our hereo ejects you see the pilot flailing around trying to pull the ejection handle. In a Navy aircraft with two crew, the NATOPS manual (Naval Aviation Training and Operations Manual)clearly states that the seats must be set in the "command eject mode". This means, regardless of who initiates the ejection procedure, the rear seat goes first, followed by the pilot 1/2 later. There is no need for the pilot to pull the ejection handle.

When Burnett is talking to the admiral over the radio, he explains that he ejected while doing Mach 3. He must have switched planes because the Hornet's top speed is nowhere near that.
Title: Rip apart 'Behind Enemy Lines"
Post by: Curval on April 08, 2003, 02:00:25 PM
I like the part where he trips off all those mines and comes out without a scratch.:rolleyes:
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Post by: Russian on April 08, 2003, 02:04:02 PM
Its too easy...
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Post by: AWMac on April 08, 2003, 02:12:36 PM
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:D
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Post by: SLO on April 08, 2003, 02:14:26 PM
maybe you guys forgot its a MOVIE....meaning FICTIONAL:D

for the dumb....ITS NOT REAL:p
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Post by: Mini D on April 08, 2003, 02:23:37 PM
It passes itself off as being based on a true story.

One of the few movies that gives you a peek at its lunacy early on, and doesn't disappoint.

I must say that the opening scene where he used the catapult to kick the football while he held it was the best.

Of course, turn fighting with the SAM(s) was good too.  

I also like that "hard-drive in the seat" system also.  Just like every ejectable seat I've ever seen.

How about missing with a sniper rifle from 100 yards away... by 2 feet.

And all that wonderment before things really get rolling.

MiniD
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Post by: gofaster on April 08, 2003, 02:34:10 PM
Its a shame, really, that it had so many technical inaccuracies and traded realism for implausible action and drama sequences.  It could've been a much better movie had it stayed rooted in reality.

Kinda makes me appreciate the lengths Stone and Spielberg went to in training their actors to be soldiers...
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Post by: Sandman on April 08, 2003, 02:35:49 PM
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Originally posted by Mini D
Of course, turn fighting with the SAM(s) was good too.  

MiniD


Coming from the EW biz... this was particularly hard to stomach.
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Post by: funkedup on April 08, 2003, 04:03:21 PM
I like the final battle, where hovering helos slug it out with an armor platoon at 100 yards range, and win.
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Post by: rpm on April 08, 2003, 05:18:36 PM
The scene in the back of the pickup where they give him a Coke. Everyone knows Pepsi rules over there! And in the attack of the shopping mall...the prices were all wrong. ;)
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Post by: midnight Target on April 08, 2003, 05:25:45 PM
And not a one named Grunherz!
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Post by: Saintaw on April 08, 2003, 05:40:14 PM
Just the guy's face makes me want to slap him for the whole duration of the flick.
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Post by: Mini D on April 08, 2003, 05:45:09 PM
Saintaw.. be nice.  If I had a nose that stopped an axe from splitting the rest of my face open I'd show my apreciation by keeping it too.

MiniD
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Post by: Saintaw on April 08, 2003, 05:49:40 PM
lol :D

It's not the nose, it's the "kicked dog" look... F18 pilot my a**e, he'd be better off taking a role in "neighbours" or some mexican soap.
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Post by: Sikboy on April 08, 2003, 05:53:04 PM
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Originally posted by gofaster
Its a shame, really, that it had so many technical inaccuracies and traded realism for implausible action and drama sequences.  It could've been a much better movie had it stayed rooted in reality.



Yeah, watching Scott O'Grady eat bugs for two hours would have packed the halls lol.

-Sik
Title: Rip apart 'Behind Enemy Lines"
Post by: Sandman on April 08, 2003, 07:50:55 PM
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Originally posted by Mini D
Saintaw.. be nice.  If I had a nose that stopped an axe from splitting the rest of my face open I'd show my apreciation by keeping it too.

MiniD


Is that what happened to it? I've been wondering...
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Post by: Saurdaukar on April 08, 2003, 07:53:59 PM
Ive never seen the movie.  Does that make me a better person than all of you?
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Post by: midnight Target on April 08, 2003, 07:57:28 PM
BTW.. IIRC Owen Wilson is a published and well respected screen writer. He doesn't NEED to act. Someone remind him... hurry!
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Post by: mjolnir on April 09, 2003, 03:57:48 AM
As stated in the Worst 5 Movies Ever thread:

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Originally posted by Mini D
Man... nobody has mentioned "Behind Enemy Lines"?  The movie that had an F-18 dogfighting a SAM?  The movie that had someone holding a football while the carrier launcher "punted" it into the air?  The one that had one guy with a sniper scope first shoot down a plane by personally launching a SAM and then hunt the pilots down as they bailed?  The one that had two blackhawks anhialate a light armored division because the entire division were missing them from 100 yards away?


Was great fun to sit there after having just done the first half of SERE the summer before and note how every single thing Owen Wilson did was the complete opposite of what they teach you about surviving.  Let's see....eject from plane, touch ground.  They almost got that part right.

1:  gather up parachute because of all the wonderful uses it has - didn't happen
2:  destroy patches/rank/nametag (or at least bury them) - didn't happen
3:  Buddy has broken leg, so leave him in the middle of a field to get shot while you go stand on the very top of a mountain to have a look around (making yourself an easy target because you didn't stay on the ridgeline)?  It numbs the mind just thinking about it.
4:  Wander through burnt out and blown up town that's full of mines?  Was this guy suicidal?
5:  Asks kid for water.  Hey, maybe the gerbil in still making the wheel spin after all.  Kid offers Coca Cola instead.  He drinks it.  Never mind, gerbil is dead.

I could go on, but it was just too hard to pay attention to all the details when we were laughing so hard.
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Post by: Sox62 on April 09, 2003, 04:48:28 AM
How about that mean ol' sniper?

It's freezing winter,and he's out hunting a pilot in sweats.
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Post by: StSanta on April 09, 2003, 06:30:46 AM
Well, how about doing the same for puters?

Puters in films have an Operating System with only one active window. It's running at 320*200 resolution and always has the window saying 'enter password'.

Once the password is entered (enter anything, after the third try it automatically launches into the main window) you'll see filenames and computer-esque text flowing rapidly in the background and pictures appearing and disappearing. Then our hero will hit ANY key on keyboard and a window clearly labelled DOWNLOAD will start.

Urging the computer on with words such as 'c'mooon c'moooon!' increases the bandwidth with about 10 percent. How this is physically done is unknown, but scholars suspect it has something to do with lemons wrapped around gold bricks and Jars ol' Spirit drinks.
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Post by: Wilfrid on April 09, 2003, 06:37:19 AM
StSanta, in addition computers project the image on the screen onto the faces of those sitting at it - usually rows of green 1's and 0's.

Although I've never seen it happen in my office.