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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JEK on January 14, 2001, 07:16:00 AM
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health to all They are a player of AcesHigh from when it is exited version 0.33, and they are asked to me why in all this time, still not there is an important airplane like JU87 STUKA that was protagonist in the WWII from 1939 to 1945 I believe that I am important to have this airplane for BUT,e also for being able to give you have CM the possibility to create new scenes of war with airplane truly used in the period, and not substitutes as in AFRIKA
(http://space.tin.it/associazioni/abertare/stuka.jpg)
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CO.DRAGO
1°Gruppo Caccia ASSO di BASTONI
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can someone translate this for me?
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[EDIT: I jumped the gun at TheWobble, and insulted him. For that I apologize.]
JEK, the emphasis in AH has been put on late-war airplanes. The Stuka was extensively used in early war, but was proven to be quite vulnerable later in the war. Am I wrong to assume that it wasn't so predominant in the Luftwaffe's operations later in the war? (I'm no expert)
Anyway, I'm convinced the Stuka will eventually be released, but it's not high in the list of priorities. HTC has been adding mostly late-war planes, not early ones. It will sure be fun to have those easy, juicy targets. Freebies, that's what they are! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
[This message has been edited by DrSoya (edited 01-14-2001).]
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OK no problem but if they serve not vulnerable airplane ok all ok
TheWobble excuse for my English but I use dictionary my translator I am not much reliable one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
HI
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CO.DRAGO
1°Gruppo Caccia ASSO di BASTONI
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
can someone translate this for me?
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Was wrong I made the assumption that thewobble was in his racist/stupid incarnation.
Accept my apologies TheWobble.
In french now (comme cela je suis sur que les francophones comprendront (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
Je suis parti du principe que thewobble nous faisait une de ces désagréables reflexion xénophobe habituelle.
Je vous presente mes excuse theWobble.
[This message has been edited by straffo (edited 01-14-2001).]
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Originally posted by JEK:
OK no problem but if they serve not vulnerable airplane ok all ok
TheWobble excuse for my English but I use dictionary my translator I am not much reliable one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
HI
It was fine JEK I got the point.
I agree I would like to see it on here too. Two big reasons for this are because it was common and it would add more variety to the game. Also for historical scenarios.
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Originally posted by straffo:
Ce qu'il dit n'a pas autant l'importance de l'étendue de ta bétise grasse mon petit connard!
Le fait est que l'anglais n'est pas la langue natale de pas mal de monde dans ce BBS il semble que tes limites intellectuelles ne te permettent pas de comprendre cela alors fait nous plaisir : FERME TA GRANDE GUEULLE!
Merci
can someone translate this for me?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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you people think I was jokeing? I actually wanted to answer the question! I just didnt understand what he ment! jesus christ I ask you to tell me what something means and that make me a bigot?
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[Edit]OK, TheWobble, I admit I made an assumption here.
Consider that the next time you imply you don't understand what a non English-speaking guy writes. Next time, I suggest you be very diplomatic of how you put your question, or you're liable to start a flame war, unfortunately.
I apologize for making the assumption. And I apologize too for hijacking the thread. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
DrSoya
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soya, I just wanted to try to answer his question, but i didnt know what he ment by the question...I am very much NOT a racist of any kind. I often word thing badly and stuff come across wrong, hostile or just plain odd, but as I have side before I never aim to offent.
"could some please translate" means just that, nothing else.
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 01-14-2001).]
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Originally posted by straffo:
Ce qu'il dit n'a pas autant l'importance de l'étendue de ta bétise grasse mon petit connard!
Le fait est que l'anglais n'est pas la langue natale de pas mal de monde dans ce BBS il semble que tes limites intellectuelles ne te permettent pas de comprendre cela alors fait nous plaisir : FERME TA GRANDE GUEULLE!
Merci
(will do my best)
Translation : What he say's hasn't got the importance of the Stupididty of what you're saying here.
Fact is that English is NOT the native tongue (language) on this BBS, Yet, it seems that your intellectual abilities do not permit to see that. So, please , do us all a favour SHUT THE F**K UP !, thank you.
PS: I second that !
Saw
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wow, I ask to get some help with what A guy is saying and i get told to shut the diddly up..wow nice people on this thread.
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I have only made a question, but since I have created only confusion not knowing English
I ask excuse all I will not make piu' post in BBS
sorry all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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CO.DRAGO
1°Gruppo Caccia ASSO di BASTONI
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[Edit]
That you want it or not, TheWobble, what you wrote a few months ago has coloured the way we look at what you write.
JEK, don't feel sorry, don't stop posting, it wasn't your fault. In all honesty, this has been brewing for quite some time, and I have probably just been waiting for an occasion to pounce on TheWobble.
I acted without reflexion, I made an idiot of myself, and I apologize, both to TheWobble and the community.
Please let's stop here.
Let's go back to discussing the Stuka.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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[This message has been edited by DrSoya (edited 01-14-2001).]
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JEK, those of us with a functioning brain understood you just fine.
Do not let the ramblings of this quarters reigning idiot cause you to stop posting here or looking for answers here.
THE WOBBLE....IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, Etc.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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uuggh soya read it again... i never said segregate anything all i said is that it would be nice if there were different channels available for different languages, I dont remember what others on that thread were aiming for but that was my angle, I know its prolly my fault that it came across that way, im used to speaking in public ans such but im not good at iteration things in typed words, however you guys seem to jump to conclusions a bit quick, read the other 900 postis i have here and you will see that
about 95% ot them time I am just trying to add something to a converation or help out just like you guys, the other 5% i spend typing stuff like this.
thanks sunchaser...
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THX Sunchaser
To me it appeals to to have an answer to the question that I have made
sure I would want to participate to the argument the JU87 STUKA
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CO.DRAGO
1°Gruppo Caccia ASSO di BASTONI
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I do have a question on the Stuka, but I'm not sure if we should just kill this thread and begin another.
How much was it really used after the Battle of Britain?
Was it still part of important operations later in the War? Was it involved in the Battle of the Bulge (in 1944 I believe?) for example?
DrSoya
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
wow, I ask to get some help with what A guy is saying and i get told to shut the diddly up..wow nice people on this thread.
I'm sorry I miss understood you too Wob. It can be hard to get your intention across on here sometimes. Man have you opened a can! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Yea jim I do that alot it seems, but i never mean too, I REALLY have a problem typing what I am trying to say and I understand when people freak out on me occasionally, i dont hold a grudge, everybody squeakes and gets squeaked at now and then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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NP TW.
The Stuka was used with good effect on the Eastern Front right up to the end I believe.
It was an effective weapon early on due to the air superiority enjoyed by the Luftwaffe and was withdrawn from areas it was extremely vulnerable in.
The Stuka, with all her faults, was a mission built machine that did it well.
I hope and expect to see it in AH soon.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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DrSoya I hope of being understood
After Battaglia di England the JU87 has been used in GREECE and RUSSIA.
For the LUFTWAFFE the JU87 had to be the airplane that it would have made gained the war the GERMANY, and was a plan of Ernst Udet, than a failure was revealed, but it obtained very many turned out in the battles.
I insert STUKA photo that to attack English convoy in GREECE
(http://space.tin.it/associazioni/abertare/stuk1.jpg)
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CO.DRAGO
1°Gruppo Caccia ASSO di BASTONI
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I think that in the AH enviroment we have, having the lack of consistant air supremacy over any area for any amount of time the stuka would hardly fair better than the good....I still would fly it though, especally if it made that high pitched scream as it dove, i love that. stuka was a very well implemented terror weapon.
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Oh yeah the siren/dive brake. I understood that the siren was actually installed as a terror device from the beginning. Anyone know? Or was the noise only a coincidental effect of an aerodynamic feature of the plane?
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 01-14-2001).]
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JEK,
I'm sure HiTech and the others at HTC have the JU-87 on their list of planes to put in the game, but so far they have decided that other planes are more important to make the game well rounded.
In addition (this is my opinion), right now the arena is balanced out in such a way to make light aircraft dive bombing nearly impossible. It is so tough to do, it seems as if HTC is trying to discourage it. Here is my reasoning:
First, it takes a direct hit by a large bomb to kill just about any ground object in the game. This appears to be how HTC balances out the amazingly good accuracy of the heavy bombers. Instead of decreasing building hardness, increasing bomb damage radius, and then decreasing bomber accuracy, all objects except the AAA take a direct hit to destroy.
Second, the AAA lethality and accuracy strongly discourages dive bombing. To get the accuracy required to actually destroy anything except an AAA emplacement, you have to release your bombs from low altitude in a steep dive. This is very nearly suicidal, and is still very ineffective. A JU-87 would be very vulnerable in the AH arena because it isn't fast enough to get back out of the AAA and it still wouldn't be accurate enough to take down most ground objects.
Anecdotal evidence - I did some online testing. When I dive bomb, I can (with practice) place my bombs within 50 meters of just about any target. I can generally place bombs aimed at buildings with the bomb crater touching the building itself. Even touching a hangar with a large bomb isn't good enough to destroy it however. I've also had bombs hit on the FAR side of a hangar at such an angle that the bomb had to fly THROUGH the hangar roof to get there, yet the hangar survives.
The type of buildings and other ground objects used in the AH terrains should be extremely vulnerable to even smallish bombs. A 500 lb bomb hitting within about 100 ft of the big hangars ought to wreck it (given the type of hangar shown by the art), yet it takes a direct hit to kill it. Worse, the vehicles have the same hardness. I saw a heavy bomber carpet a vehicle field with small bombs, and one bomb went off close enough to an ostwind that the ostwind was halfway inside the crater. Even a 100 lb bomb should have knocked the darn thing over, yet the ostwind was undamaged and actually drove into the crater then continued firing.
Most ground objects in AH except ammo bunkers and fuel tanks in revetments ought to be blown to pieces by a near miss. But since the heavy bombers never miss, the hardness has been set so it actually requires a solid direct hit to destroy most targets.
Given the current balance, another dive bomber in the game would be a complete waste. It would be largely ineffective except in massive groups or when flown by one of the handful of people in the game that have figured out how to get results with them. Until last year, I did "dive bombing" for a living in RL, won bombing competitions against my instructors when learning how to use non-computing fixed bomb sights, yet I can't figure out how to make it work. All modesty aside, if it's impossible for me it's probably pretty damn tough for everyone. There are a few people in AH who can destroy entire fields by themselves in one sortie, but not many are that accurate.
I'm not slamming HTC, they have their reasons for the current hardness/lethality/accuracy balance. I'm just explaining why a dedicated dive bomber would be wasted effort at this point. If the target hardness was lowered and the bomb frag radius was increased, I'd say that the JU-87 would be a great addition. But that would mean that the high alt bomber accuracy would have to be changed, and HTC has not yet done that despite the outcries of a vocal player minority on that subject.
Long answer to a short question, but each added plane has to fit into the arena gameplay, and the JU-87 doesn't fit right now IMHO.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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one thing....
any success a stuka had during ww2 was based on local air superiority. dive bombing is tough as eagl says but with practice i was able to release my bombs and pullout at 3-4 k strictly in 190s. Planes with wing mounted bombs i find alot harder to hit my target. Depending how you set up ur exit ( not flying across the field)a stuka even with its limited speed should be able to extend and set up again if there are no cons around. i doudt anyone in main will fly the stuka but it would make for a good scenario aircraft. One thing i found was that when setting up strike I liked to start at atleast 15k with throttle idled this gives me enough time to get verticle and in line on target. most people glide bomb in ma but stuka is really a verticle bomber and if you set up at beginning of dive even vehicle strikes should get easy with practice but again if there are nme cons near ur basically flying dead.
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Eagl
Your ideas have convinced to me, thx. of the aid six state much luminosity.
But tactically and strategically in AH it would be useful
even if a lot vulnerable
HI
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CO.DRAGO
1°Gruppo Caccia ASSO di BASTONI
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Stuka!
Definately near the top of my list of planes I want added to AH.
The day we get the stuka is the day I start learning what all those dots are on the ground, and which ones to kill!
anRky
-Ih8ubb
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Thats odd eagl, I can get direct hits while dive bombing- it's just important to go in vertical enough. And when in a B-26 I can hit 2-3 targets at once with a 1k bomb. Some spots if I put it right I can get the third 1k to kill a hanger, knock out 2 ack and an ammo bunker at the same time. Awesome on the hit % (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The sirens I believe were added after the plane saw service in poland to increase the pure terror it caused people on the ground. It was also handy for terrifying horses and such that were transporting supplies and artillery.
The service went through the war, by '42 it was only active on the eastern front I believe. It was accepted by the luftwaffe that the 190 would replace it in ground attack by '43. I do think they served right until the end of the war though.
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Ju-87G might be nice to have for attacking ground vehicles.
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Originally posted by Sorrow[S=A]:
The sirens I believe were added after the plane saw service in poland to increase the pure terror it caused people on the ground. It was also handy for terrifying horses and such that were transporting supplies and artillery.
Thank you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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the first sirens mounted on the stuka were nothing more than cardboard tube whistles, wierd huh, just saw that on the discovery channel
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Sorrow,
Like I said, some can do it, some can't. I've tried hard and I just can't do it. I can sometimes strafe down one or two acks before they get me, and I have on one or two occasions (out of dozens of attempts) actually destroyed a ground object like a hangar or bunker. Acks are easy, it's everything else that I can't seem to get. Some objects on the strat targets do seem somewhat easier to kill (fuel refineries for example), but airfield targets and other strat targets seem very very hard to destroy with dive bombing.
Maybe I just suck, I'm always open to that possiblity. All I have to go on is my own experiences and the experiences of my squadmates. In WB, we used to go on JABO strikes all the time because they could be very effective. We gave it up almost entirely in AH because 1) it's suicidal given the ostwind and ack lethality, and 2) we can't actually do much damage anyhow so the deaths are pointless. It only takes a few craters that touch undamaged vehicles, or 2000lb craters that touch radar sites and buildings without destroying them, to make people give up on that type of attack. It's a gameplay issue rather than a realism issue, and the settings are rather deliberately chosen to push gameplay one way or the other.
If something absolutely has to be destroyed with the current settings, it's far far better to send even a single 30k lancaster or B-17 than it is to send half a dozen heavy P-47's or F-4U's. The accuracy and lethality difference is night and day due to the arena hardness/lethality balance.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
[This message has been edited by eagl (edited 01-14-2001).]
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EAGL,
While I used to have the same problem with jabo attacks or divebombing that you are experienceing. It is possible to learn with some practise.
Beyond a doubt the F4u-1c is the plane of choice for learning. Load 2 1k bombs & rockets. Set salvo to 2 so both bombs will land very close together. Approach from 9k until you are almost vertically above the target. Close throttle, dive straight at hanger. I drop about 1.5k & pull up into immelman, select rockets, reverse & repeat.
With 2 1k bombs even close to target rockets & 20mm if needed should kill the hanger.
4 of us in hvy hawgs killed all 4 hangers at A35 in under a minute late friday night.
Before they knew the field was under attack all hangers & acks were dead and the C-47 was landing. (we then had a very nice battle for the port but thats another story)
As an AH trainer if I can help all you need do is drop me a email, or give me a shout in main.
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Thanks for the offer ghosth. That's pretty much the technique I use. It's just very frustrating to me to do that, and have my 2000lb bomb craters touching a building, and have that building remain standing. I've SEEN what a 2000lb bomb does to a building firsthand in RL, and it doesn't just leave a little crater.
I'll probably keep practicing it because I'm a moron (I swore off attacking GV's too, yet every once in a while I waste an entire chog ammo load on an ostwind with no effect) but it still doesn't encourage jabo attacks.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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If you are to use Hogs in divebombing and field JAbo, use Dhogs. They carry four rockets more than the Chog.
Eagl, I never ahve had pinpoint accuracy on dive bombing, but its a reasonable way to bomb, and not that difficult. I think that some people posted films doing it in the Training forum some time ago, maybe you want to take a look there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW I'd love to see a Ju87G...DEATH TO THE OSTIES!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And for those who says that the Ju87 was outdated after 1940...the soviets and the Royal NAvy sure didnt think the same. Stukas in the Mediterranean destroyed countless ships and damaged seriously even more.
Ju87 was a slow, ungaingly plane that was easy meat for fighters...but if a Field attack role they will have useful purposes. both a Ju87D model for dive bombing (send three of this and the VH is history), and a Ju87G for anti-ostie and anti-tank roles.
I sincerelly think that the 87 has a spot in this game, and that it will be used (hell we everybody see TBMs on the MA, right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
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Am I wrong to assume that it wasn't so predominant in the Luftwaffe's operations later in the war? (I'm no expert)
After *just* finishing Hans Ulrich Udel's "Stuka Pilot," I can confrim that Stukas were used literally until the last hour of the war, and even slightly after.
Rudel showed that even while the Stuka was severely outclassed by Russian fighters and such, he still successfully operated them under conditions of heavy flak and no fighter escort on occasions. The Stuka was used from the onslought of the war, in North Africa to the Mediterranian, in the Battle of Britian, On the Western Front, in the tide-turning battle of Stalingrad, and very extensively on the Eastern front, up until the last hours of the war. The Stuka is apparently a very tough bird. Rudel brought many a flak-battered Stuka home. Rudel crashed one so severely that the engine was found far from the wreckage, and he woke up laying by the tail (which was seperated from the rest of the fuselage) with his rear gunner shouting to him from *in front of him* and lived to fly hundreds more sorties until the war's end. I'm not sure how well they would fare in the skies of Aces High, but I would sure love to find out.
Also, if you get a chance to read Stuka Pilot, I highly reccomend it as it is very interesting and gives a fairly detailed account of the operations of a dive-bombers on the Eastern front, and is a rather inspiring story of how Rudel persistantly defended the fatherland, even against the direct orders of Hitler towards the end.
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Do not continue reading if you are currently reading Stuka Pilot or plan on reading it, because it may ruin the ending (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)
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Interestingly, Rudel was about to lead an anti-tank Stuka sortie (this was after Hitler commited suicide) when he was informed of Germany's unconditional surrender. Interestingly enough, after the surrendur, a handful of 190's and Stukas headed out to surrendur to the Americans before the Soviets could reach them. Those who couldn't fly marched in a column on the ground. Just before leaving, Russian Boston bombers unsucsessfully bombed the column. While on the way to the American occupied aerodrome, the Stukas were attacked by Russian fighters, but yet most made it through. You have to understand that Rudel flew over 2500 sorties over the eastern front, and accounted for over 500 tanks destroyed, so the Russians wanted him bad, surrendur or not. Upon reaching the American aerodrome, Rudel instructed the others in Stukas to jettison their landing gear (a feature which the Stuka had) and belly-land in order to keep the Americans from getting anything in the form of operational German equipment. After making a low pass over the aerodrome to ensure that the AA wasn't going to fire on them (and bringing the celebrating Americans to the ground from fear) all but one Stuka belly-landed. It turns out that the Stuka that landed normally was carring a woman who had been standing on the outside of the field on takeoff. The crew had placed the stranger in the rear fuselage to save her from the Russians, and refused to belly-land for it might harm her. The column wasn't so lucky. All but a few were butchered when the column was intercepted by Czec and Russian troops (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
-Mark VanZwoll-
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We could always use more targets! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
True, the whistles were added to the bombs. The terrible noise is from the airframe, though. In attack configuration the airframe generates a ton of drag, and noise. The whistles were added to magnify the effect on troops.
The sound that you hear from Hollywood (diving planes) is actually an A-36 Apache (the American Stuka), which had a much more terrifying sound than any Stuka ever thought of having. Same for the famous segment in "The Wall" by Pink Floyd. It's the image of a Stuka, but the sound is an Apache.
This weapon (?) was first discovered in WW1. When a two seat aircraft ran out of bombs over the front line trenches, he resorted to dropping empty wine bottles (no doubt used to fortify his courage against Archie - AAA). They whistled on their way down, and gave great delight in the effect they had on enemy troops. Galland (I think it was) accidentally rediscovered this in Poland. He was originally assigned to a Heinkel bi-plane squadron (type escapes me for the moment). During an attack, on an enemy cavalry column, the first few pilots in forgot to readjust their props. The racket, that resulted from their dives, scared man (and beast alike) worse then the machine guns. They repeated this numerous times with great effect!
I doubt the Stuka would ever see significant usage in AH. As noted by others, Air Supremacy is a requisite for this aircrafts' success. Yet, we see tanks! So, bring 'em on! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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As mentioned by others the Stuka was useful against undefended populations but was useless if air supremacy was not in place. A previous online sim I flew (Warbirds or maybe Air Warrior) added Stukas. For a couple of days they were everywhere as people tried them out. After that.. you never saw a single one. I suspect HTC would be reticent to spend a lot of time designing a new plane that ended up never being used.
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Yeah it was in WarBirds. When I was still flying, I never saw a Stuka in the Main Arena (but then there are no ground vehicles in WB). They were used in scenarios.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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Actually, Rudel reports using the Ju-87 under conditions with little or no escort on the Eastern Front. He always semed to be able to avoid and evade the Russian fighters if needed. Obviously there were other factor involved such as proximity to front-lines and flak and such (The Russians didn't like persuing the Stukas through their own flak) so things may be different in Aces High. Rudel reported that with the tank-busting Stuka, 1-2 shots was all that was neccesary in most cases to catch a tank on fire, provided he attacked from the rear to hit the fuel/engine.
-Mark VanZwoll
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The Stuka might be useful in an arena with no icons (hint hint) where you could get in and attack ground vehicles and ground targets and then try to extend and hide. But in the normal arena with the big neon "KICK ME" sign trailing your plane, I doubt they would last.
715
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The "Jericho's Trumpet" was fitted to the B models and on some D and R models. They were fitted to the landing gear. During the Battle of Britian these sirens were mainly removed until they stopped making them period on the D models.
A D could carry 1800kg of bombs or a 1400kg AP bomb (though I don't know anything about bombs in general). The D also institued twin MG81 guns for the rear gunner and on the D-4 model the 7.9mm fronts were replaced with 20mm's.
The G model was a doozy. Armed with 2 37mm guns, carrying AP ammo with tungsten cores. Even though the guns were only loaded with 6 rnds apiece 12 total) the JU87G was such a stable gun plateform that you could easily make every hit count. I am not aware whether both cannons fired linked or whether they could be fired seperately (I guess linked).
The G-1 and G-2 were produced and the difference mainly consisted of a longer wingspan for the G2.
Either the D-4 or the G1/2 would be great additions to planeset and at least I'd use it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Plus we could actually do some blasted historical scenario's..hehe
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Wingnut
Luftjagerkorps
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The quality of the box matters little. Success depends upon the man who sits in it - Baron Manfred von Richthofen
[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 01-20-2001).]
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Now that you mention it, Nut, you're right. I remember reading that now. I still remember those whistles, though. The airplane already had an effective wail.
Anyone have a copy of "The Luftwaffe Diary?" The HE-bipe thing was in there. I'm sure that was Galland.
Voss 13th T.A.S.