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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Animal on April 09, 2003, 02:45:46 AM
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I'll start
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I SHOULD HAVE KNOW BETTER THAN CLICK ON THE LESS CLUTTER MODE!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D ;)
R.I.P, RIP.
[edit]that was slick:) [/edit]
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Originally posted by Animal
I'll start
](http://www.alienvisuals.com/daedalus/flag2.jpg)
The Soviet flag looks a little bit "crude"
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During
(http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Usa/Tests/IvyMikeC383.jpg)
Before & After
(http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Usa/Tests/Elugel.jpg)
"The island the test device was installed on, Elugelab (code named Flora), was entirely destroyed. The resulting crater was 6240 ft across and 164 ft deep."
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Originally posted by Animal
I'll start
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Theese 2 are powerfull.
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Originally posted by Animal
I'll start
(http://www.alienvisuals.com/daedalus/flag1.jpg)(http://www.alienvisuals.com/daedalus/flag2.jpg)
I remember an interview with Sergei Haldei, the man who took the photo of Soviet flag on Reichstag.
He said he had to retouche the soldier's arm, because he was wore two watches ;). You know what that means, right ?
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WARNING! The following images can be "hard" on sensible people.
I made a quick search for "images of war", but after seeing what I've found, I want to show what the War REALLY is, not the shiny and heroic soldiers in their Hitech Hardware that we see in "the show".
But the pain and suffer that this beast calling itself "Human being" do to his likes, the real and only victims of war.
War IS killing.
War IS death.
War IS Suffering.
War IS hate.
War IS NOT a game or a TV show or a movie.
Skuzzy, I apologize for the images, some of them are tough, and I know you asked to avoid it, this will be the first and last time I will post something like this, but I pray you to not delete it, please.
Serajevo
(http://www.pdn-pix.com/legends/morris/bigpages/kids_window.html)
New York
(http://www.giornalewolf.it/fotografia/cocacola.jpg)
Gaza
(http://www.msf.it/msfinforma/galleria/palestina/images/img11.jpg)
(http://www.msf.it/msfinforma/galleria/palestina/images/img16.jpg)
Angola
(http://www.msf.it/msfinforma/galleria/sergio_cecchini/images/img4.jpg)
Carso, WW1
[Skuzzy: Sorry Naso, but this one was a bit much]
Unknown
(http://www.italica.rai.it/principali/argomenti/altro/occhiguerra/dx4.jpg)
Kurdistan
(http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/kurd.jpg)
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Part 2
japan
(http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/nagasaki.jpg)
Afganistan
(http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/afghanistan2.jpg)
Sierra Leon
(http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/sierraleone6.jpg)
Kosovo
http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/kos6.jpg
http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/kos3.jpg
http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/kos16.jpg
Viet Nam
http://digilander.libero.it/supcomandante/attaccoagliusa/victims/VietNam2.jpg
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OMG we have kids here in this forum plz delete these pictures!!!
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Originally posted by Duedel
OMG we have kids here in this forum plz delete these pictures!!!
I have deleted the Img tag.
Better to hide the head under the sand, and keep believing it's just a game, uh?
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Sorta like at the drivers license school thing
Young 18 year old girls went white and demanded that they'd not be shown pics of automobile accidents.
'It happens, can happen to you. Might keep your foot off the accelerator, so you gotta watch it'.
Keeping away the uncomfortable facts of reality to make a thing seem like it is something different isn't going to change reality.
We need the terrible photos as much as we do the heroic ones.
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Eh.....
"Santa, a voice in the desert....... Storm!"
:D
;)
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Ripsnort ?!
I thought the war was this (http://jafo.net/stuff/soldiers) ?
Your images were much nicer ! Rip, why do they post these ugly pictures ?
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There's also that guy in Nam checking the pulse of one of his bud. scary stuff. Can't find the link to it now.
That one and the "Little Napalm girl" are two of the strongest I can think of.
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Originally posted by Hristo
The likes of Ripsnort would have no problem with those, I'm sure.
They'd blow their warmongering horns anyway.
They'd like you to believe this (http://jafo.net/stuff/soldiers) is war.
Its not a question of "hiding the neck in the sand" or not telling the truth. I dont want little kids (that have access to this forum) see those pics. If kids wouldnt be here u could post what u want to show what war really means...
BTW this (http://jafo.net/stuff/soldiers) is pathetic crap at its best!
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(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1345000/images/_1347218_copyright_haviv2_300.jpg)
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Originally posted by Duedel
Its not a question of "hiding the neck in the sand" or not telling the truth. I dont want little kids (that have access to this forum) see those pics. If kids wouldnt be here u could post what u want to show what war really means...
BTW this (http://jafo.net/stuff/soldiers) is pathetic crap at its best!
Duedel, I know there are kids here, but, for God's sake, I know that there are kids THERE too!
Some people here (put a huge amount of of bad words here) seem to be willing to ignore that.
People that is showing NO difference with the ones cheering the WTC tragedy.
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Originally posted by Duedel
BTW this (http://jafo.net/stuff/soldiers) is pathetic crap at its best!
So isn't this (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html)
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War is a bad thing? You guys just figured that out?
How do you feel about the ovens at Auschwitz? Bad things?
How do you feel about Serbs slaughtering Kosovars?
What about the tit for tat slaughter of Hutus and Tutsis?
Yes, I'd agree....... war is a bad thing.
But I'll also leave two words out of Mills quote on war:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse."
I think perhaps the ovens at Auschwitz....... and other places like Auschwitz are far more disturbing image (and the concept behind them) than any "war picture" posted so far.
Just my .02.
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Originally posted by Toad
War is a bad thing? You guys just figured that out?
Retoric question with an offence enbedded..... discarded for the sake of a civil discussion.
How do you feel about the ovens at Auschwitz? Bad things?
How do you feel about Serbs slaughtering Kosovars?
What about the tit for tat slaughter of Hutus and Tutsis?
Are we ever said those were good things?
Again a provocation slip by before arriving to the point.
Yes, I'd agree....... war is a bad thing.
Finally something we agree on.
But I'll also leave two words out of Mills quote on war:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse."
The only thing worth a war is defence from another nation waging war on you.
Paraphrasing Mills:
"The decayed and degraded state of moral feeling wich thinks that nothing is better than war is much worse."
I think perhaps the ovens at Auschwitz....... and other places like Auschwitz are far more disturbing image (and the concept behind them) than any "war picture" posted so far.
Just my .02.
Agree 100%
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Originally posted by Martlet
So isn't this (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html)
Sry Martlet what does tthis has to do with the word "pathetic"?
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Originally posted by Duedel
Sry Martlet what does tthis has to do with the word "pathetic"?
it says "Germany" doesn't it?
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Thankyou toad.
Its hard explaining to someone that their freedom, their 'libery', the life of their sister, the life of their father, was lost due to a some of this 'anti-war' attitude.
Naso: "The only thing worth a war is defence from another nation waging war on you."
My wife has a question for you: Why didn't anyone help when the Khmer Rouge took her sick father and 5 year old sister from a hospital and executed them? Why didn't anyone help while she starved in the camps? Why didn't anyone help when the Khmer Rouge beat her mother because she could't stop mourning the loss of her husband?
Did you know to many Cambodians the Vietnamese were sort of hero's because they were the only ones that came to overthrow Pol Pot's regime?
Did you know every Cambodian I've asked: "ok, if the Americans had come to liberate you, like in Iraq, would you prefer freedom, and be willing to take the chance that either you or a family member might be killed in the crossfire/war?". After a quick think, they all said yes.
So sit in your comfortable chair, typing on your computer, enjoyingthe freedom of the internet, passing moral judgements on whats wrong and right.
In the meantime, I those with a) the balls to go over there and do the job and b) the balls to finally make a decision.
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Originally posted by Naso
The only thing worth a war is defence from another nation waging war on you....
Agree 100%
LOL.
Yeah, you agree 100% that Auschwitz was a "bad thing" but of course, the only thing that justifies war is "defence from another nation waging war on you."
So, what you've just said is that if the Third Reich had kept it's genocide "in house" and not invaded anyone, you'd have been quite happy to ignore it completely and never raise a hand against it.
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Originally posted by Martlet
it says "Germany" doesn't it?
I dont get it. I could post articles about US selling Iraq weapons of mass destruction too and it would have nothing to ddo with the slide show of US soldiers.
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Originally posted by Toad
LOL.
Yeah, you agree 100% that Auschwitz was a "bad thing" but of course, the only thing that justifies war is "defence from another nation waging war on you."
So, what you've just said is that if the Third Reich had kept it's genocide "in house" and not invaded anyone, you'd have been quite happy to ignore it completely and never raise a hand against it.
If the US had that philosophy, all of europe would be speaking german.
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Originally posted by Toad
LOL.
Yeah, you agree 100% that Auschwitz was a "bad thing" but of course, the only thing that justifies war is "defence from another nation waging war on you."
So, what you've just said is that if the Third Reich had kept it's genocide "in house" and not invaded anyone, you'd have been quite happy to ignore it completely and never raise a hand against it.
The allies did'nt waged war to Germany for the concentration camps, you have another opinion?
"What you've just said..." was just what I said, nothing more, nothing less.
Vulcan, your post deserve a good answer, I have some trouble at work now and need to "make some decision" ;) it hurts me the part
So sit in your comfortable chair, typing on your computer, enjoying the freedom of the internet, passing moral judgements on whats wrong and right.
This was offensive for many things, but, before closing this Html page, there's a thing I want to explaing:
When I say "right" or "wrong" I usually dont imply moral judgement, just a matter of "mechanical" (failing the word) solution.
Moral is always relative to the culture in wich it develops, I use to apply my morals on me, and try to understand other's morals.
I think this can enrich me, as enrich me understanding the differences between cultures and individuals.
I hope to not forget to answer you, in good heart, and without antagonism (correct?), I know it's difficult here in the o'club, but I am a dreamer ;)
Now I have to go back to work, and a plane to take (hoping some foul did'nt decide to crash it in St.Peter church ;) ).
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No, they didn't.
Howevery, your position is that NOTHING justifies war.
How did you feel about the Serbs killing the Kosovars?
Was the US-led, in-violation-of-the-NATO-Charter-without-UN-SC-authorization the right thing to do? Or should NATO have just let the Serbs keep on slaughtering Kosovars?
Because NOTHING justifies war?
Does any amount of slaughter justify war? Or is genocide OK as long as you keep it within some artificially created "border" of a particular state?
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The image that I will take away from this war is that of Walter Rogers reporting for CNN on the first or 2nd day of the war when the M1A1 Abrams tanks of the 7th Cavalry were parked in the desert, turret turned 1/4 turn and level, while the column paused. In the background you could see the names of the tanks written on the turrets and gun barrels and the tank crew milling around - one guy was walking towards his tank, others were cleaning their gear, one guy was brushing his teeth with bottled water. For me, it was an interesting insight into the life of an Abrams tanker.
Other images I will remember are those of the Bradleys and Abrams moving into Baghdad along a highway with a median running down the middle - Bradleys on 1 side, Abrams on the other - with smoldering Iraqi vehicles parked off in the trees to the left where the Abrams were advancing.
My Revell AG 1/72 scale models of the M1A1 (HA) Abrams are scheduled to arrive today, along with Revell AG Modern US Infantry figures. I plan to memorialize those images in a diorama. And you want to know something? I ordered those kits in Day Two of the war, and they're arriving with the war just about over.
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Originally posted by Toad
No, they didn't.
Howevery, your position is that NOTHING justifies war.
How did you feel about the Serbs killing the Kosovars?
Was the US-led, in-violation-of-the-NATO-Charter-without-UN-SC-authorization the right thing to do? Or should NATO have just let the Serbs keep on slaughtering Kosovars?
Because NOTHING justifies war?
Does any amount of slaughter justify war? Or is genocide OK as long as you keep it within some artificially created "border" of a particular state?
Good questions.
Have no time to answer, but would like, can we delay 36-48 hours?
Have to go now.
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Toad, if your reasons were used by the US government, the US would have been all over Africa by now. And Latin America, and...well, the US would be fighting on every continent except possibly Australia.
It's BS to say the US does this solely for altruistic reasons. It might be part of the reason, but it isn't the important bit. If it was so important, why wasn't something done in Rwanda? Why not in other places today?
Freedom argument is well and dandy, but reality check please. It is secondary to other concerns and the world as it is today proves that. I hope I do not need to show this, but I can.
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my reasons for being skeptical about this latest war is the hypocricies involved. we are doing it to fight terrorism, then why didnt we invade the saudis first. we are doing it to liberate a people, then why not liberate the North Koreans first. We are doing it to stop the spread of WMD. Irans nuclear program is going full steam , and i doubt we will say a word about that. We are doing this because of UN violations. Isreal?It is a damn good thing that saddam is gone, but alot of us belived if bush didnt piss off the europeons with the kyoto accord and abm treaty we would have gotten alot more support.(support isnt no being against the war, but helping unlike 95 percent of this "coalition") It also appeard quite obvious that we were going to go to war no matter what happened diplomaticly so that pissed off alot of people. Its like playing cards and everyone knowing your moves by your expresion.
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oh and here is my picture, the allied assult upon mecha hitler:
(http://death.innomi.com/uploads/GiantHitler.jpg)
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I'm not sure I see what you are referring to Santa.
I don't think I did say this was for altruistic reasons; I said it was because SH ignored the terms of the '91 ceasefire and danced around 17 UN SC resolutions for 12 years.
I said the "liberation" aspect is a bonus for Iraqis.
I also said there is no way the UN will ever intervene in Africa and the US won't either. IMO, we'd be excoriated to an even greater degree for that than this. Remember when we went to Somalia AT UN REQUEST? Excoriated for that as well.
Reality check for you:
There can be very few if any sentient beings left in the industrialized world that are unaware of the slaughter going on RIGHT NOW in several parts of Africa.
Why hasn't the UN or the UN SC taken action? Eh? Can't hear you?
Why focus on why the US doesn't save the world when we're forever being chastised for trying to save the world?
Where's the bloody UN resolutions on the various slaughters going on around the world? Eh? Can't hear you?
You know as well as I the UN failed to act during the Kosovo slaughter and it took Clinton to lead the NATO countries in a violation of the NATO Charter to stop that slaughter.
So why do slaughters go on? What's that again? Eh?
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Thanks for derailing the thread.
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Originally posted by StSanta
and...well, the US would be fighting on every continent except possibly Australia.
Thats because We'd kick the US's arse!
Especially led by the Explosive suicide croc division!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/Steve_and_Croc.jpg)
Tronsky
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Its funny how the anti-war side suggests that we should really attack every country in the world except the one that we are actually dealing with instead of contemplating along with them over a cup of latte about how much better the world could be if there were no problems and no bad governments....
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