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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on October 22, 2000, 01:53:00 AM
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Hi
What would happend if the chog was removed from the planeset? Please try to keep it serious.
thanks GRUNHERZ
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FA would see a resurgance in customer subcription.
Niki's would see a significant increase in MA popularity.
This BBS would be flooded with annoyed LW wannabes that still don't have a Dora, cryin their eyes out.
I'd still be flying a P51.
(seriously)
Hang
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More gripes about the N1K2, Spit, and especially Ostwind.
Tiffy would be flown more. Hardcores would threatin to quit. Then they'd gradually go back to flying FW's, P-51's, and Typhoons.
- Jig
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Rooks would have no idea what to do
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Whiners would move on to the next target...
Good F4U-1C pilots would move on to another ride and still kick the snot out of us.
Bad F4U-1C pilots would find another ride which maximizes their dweeb-factor.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-22-2000).]
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Exactly as Funked said. Nothing would change.
--ps edit----
Why do you ask?
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 10-22-2000).]
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nothing would change other than a vast increase in number in N1k and typhoon drivers
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What funked said.
I prefer to meet chogs to meeting N1K's. I fear the YAK's more than any other plane; they're more often than not flown by very good pilots and can reverse on a G10.
B&Z'd one in a 190A5 - got one snapshot, then had to run for it. Great flying from the YAK pilot (cannot recall whom) and he eventually died as I dragged to friendlies with him close by. After that, I took the G10 again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/sig.gif)
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The whiners would move on to the Tiffie, since no one would fly that plane unless they were a dweeb, since it has hispanos. I'd be moved to the top of the dweeb list, since I generally fight in nothing but a Niki.
I like the 1C...it's kind a buffer between me and the whiners, plus it's such a turd in the arena it usually doesn't give me many problems. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
SOB
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I'd get chute strafed less.
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Dont remove it just fix the fm and change the icon on the niki and chog to "GAY"
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The Dhog would get flown alot more.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble
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Removing ANY aircraft would be a bad precedent and not solve anything. It's the equivalent of asking for 4 or 2 countries to stop the gang banging. The root of either problem are the players. The 1C's swarms would just be replaced by even more Niki's, and alot more Typhoon or 190-A5/A8's. Then the cries against the 1C's wold be replaced by cries of how lethal the Niki/Tiffie/190's are.
-Westy
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The best solution is adding more planes,then give us a RPS.
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The best solution is adding more planes
Yep.
then give us a RPS.
Nope.
Talk about a source of complaining. RPS's contribution really only be to fuel arguments in the forums about how it is unfair that one plane was in the current RPS but another wasn't.
Add the planes.. the more the better. Let everyone fly them all. The more planes, the more dilute complaints.
Unfortunately, the mid and early war planes are the ones that need to arrive. These aren't going to do much to dispell the current king of the hills.
Oh well, its good to have someone/something to blame whenever you get shot down.
AKDejaVu
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The main result would be that the whiners would realize that they have the power to change the game by whining. Whining would increase hugely. We'd see a lot of: "Well I don't like the xxxxx and it should be removed because of yyyyy. They removed the chog and now the xxxxx needs to go."
Hooligan
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Jihad wrote:
The best solution is adding more planes,then give us a RPS.
When WB added a RPS there was an immediate drop in arena attendance. Some people like having an RPS (like me), some don't. Hopefully HTC can get enough players to support 2 MAs full time. One could have a RPS and one could be the current style. If HTC could find a way to make this work it would be great. I hope HTC adds more planes, gets a lot more players and avoids the WB mistakes with arenas which ended up driving away players.
Hooligan
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They would move to fly Typhoon, because it is very much same kind of plane, but does not turn good when slow (unlike F4u, which I wonder because it was said to be bad turning plane when slow...)
What other Tiffie has to offer?
It has also 2x2000lb bombs and even more rockets, though, not usable same time and no drop tanks.
but whats most fun in Tiffie is its 4 hispanos of course!
some of them would turn to fly N1K2, that does not care about ground targets that much.
Because F4u probably can defend itself with its miraculous slow speed turn better than Tiffie, it would probably mean that tankers would have bit easier times.
and we DO know that f4u C and Tiffie are only planes that can strafe tanks like bunch of fleas. (zzz.. one of these boring issues)
Of course allies would then give up a big whine and axis wouldn't have anything to say to it. (we know why this too.. and we know why this is not going to happen anyway)
But I think that f4u C should be at least some level perk plane, from the lowest requiring end, because what I know, D was that F4u which was mainly used.
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The Earth would wobble off its axis and stray into the Sun to vaporize us all - Long live the C-hog! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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ezdoc
48th Fighter Group "Checkertails"
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Originally posted by Fishu:
some of them would turn to fly N1K2, that does not care about ground targets that much.
The Niki is great for clearing a medium field of ack and small ground targets. Holds a dive well, pulls out quick and can manuever on the pull-out well. Plus it holds 2X250 and 600 rounds of 20mm. Give it a try sometime...you're just gonna have to have a squaddie hit the hangars (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
SOB
[This message has been edited by SOB (edited 10-22-2000).]
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don't care...
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In the release notes for 1.04 Pyro said:
One of the major differences in this version for existing players will be the changes we made to the flight dynamics. This has been a very taxing development cycle that ran much longer than we originally intended. There has been such a large volume of work done in this area that we do anticipate having some idiosyncracies show up on different planes that will need fixing.
My gut feeling is some planes got a "larger" benefit from the new FM, <F4U1C/N1K2> hopefully in 1.05 we will see the other planes brought up to par with these two in relative performance.
I still hope to eventually see the RPS implemented so all the different developmental stages can have their "day in the sun",without a RPS it will never change.
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I would still fly the P38-L
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
FA would see a resurgance in customer subcription.
Nope you would still see people leaving FA in the tiny trickle that happens before the dam breaks.
However you would see more people flying Typhoon's and N1K2's because they are easy to fly. That is one reason I will still be in my La5 or FW-190's.
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Maj. LJK_Reschke
Kommandeur Jagdbomber,
StaffelKapitaen I-31 LJK
www.luftjagerkorps.com
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No need to get rid of the Chog...
Just lets see a PAC arena SOON!!
Then the niks, and chogs can play all they want. Not that I have a problem with either mind you.
Did notice I hit a 51 with 1 round from the chog and its tail fell off the other night tho...
SKurj
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i wouldn't know which way to go becuase i wouldn't have the big arrow on my wing telling me so. (fatty taught me that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
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Thats the D hog Mason. C hog ain't got an arrow (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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Cause it can kill in forward or reverse
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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"My gut feeling is some planes got a "larger" benefit from the new FM, <F4U1C/N1K2> hopefully in 1.05
we will see the other planes brought up to par with these two in relative performance. "
Some planes got a bigger boost in FM, in this case turn, because..... The were the furthest off! I think that the Hogs should actually turn a little better than they do now but they are close enough for now. Certainly they do not turn too well.
Anyone who complains about the awesome handling, climb and acceleration of the chog simply brands themselves as a person who doesn't know what they are talking about. I personally like to keep track of such individuals so that I can dismiss their opinions on other matters.
lazs
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Originally posted by Apache:
Thats the D hog Mason. C hog ain't got an arrow (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
damnit....now i'm gonna get lost.
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lol Mason.
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Originally posted by funked:
Whiners would move on to the next target...
Good F4U-1C pilots would move on to another ride and still kick the snot out of us.
Bad F4U-1C pilots would find another ride which maximizes their dweeb-factor.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-22-2000).]
Spot on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Honestly?
I think the best thing to do at times is to disable this BBS and the radio in the game. That is the only way this silly whining will ever stop.
Removing any plane from any list is bad, period.
Everyone knows what any plane/vehicle can and can't do in the game. Use that knowledge to kill and survive. It is that simple, really. I get tired of seeing the same thing in the air, too, but I change things by flying what I want to see, and doing well. If I can prove that someone can have a good run on, say, a C202 then perhaps others may give it a try. That of course is assuming I care what other people fly- and I don't. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
We derive from the game what we put into it; if all we do is constantly bicker about the minutae we will never enjoy the big picture.
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<Ripsnort writes the name "Kieren" in the nomination for President section of his ballot>
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i dont think removing planes is necessary.just make chog a perk plane as there were only 200 built.
i think any aircraft that had less than say 400 produced should be perked.that is if perk system works well.ive never flown in any other online sim and i learned the ropes on AH so my frame of reference is AH only.
I think we should devote 1 night to testing planes to show us all they match the data in books.If they match then i'll stop gripeing.
I can find no mention of f4's being better turners than spits /nikis/etc but have been caught by them in very slow turning fights and similar situations to yeager(see his post).of course i dont know enough about them to be sure but if HTC posted data and FM matched it i'd say nothing more.
all this guesswork is bad for business for HTC and id imagine if it was my company id be mad about it.so post your data do the tests and PROVE stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
i dont fly F4c for one reason only.......
ITS EASY TO KILL IN IT!
its much more fun peppering targets and seeing bits fly off then losing advantage and getting hit etc and with f4c all i ever seem to see is a ping or two and they explode or tail / wings come off and fights over (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
just shoot a b17 in F4c and they pop like balloons!
FUN is what i want and getting shot from 1.2
is not fun.I have fought duels with citabria in 202's and it was fantastic, bullets pinging all around, flaps/elevators flying off, and you still fight on. because guns are not effective over 300 you dont bother shooting and it becomes a real ACM fight.
hazed .3/JG2
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A view from a P38-L addict
I'm looking at my stats now
F4U-C vs P38L 18-22
i getting to know them in this version yesterday i got two hogs high i easily defended against their attacks to bad my guns have not much effect on them sbut i can't say they r problem coz i shot still 4 more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) i will not whine anymore at them ok
N1K2 my biggest fear 10-14 also 4 more kill
for this plane i need energy and altitude 20K otherwise an engagement is deathly this planes FM might not be total right. but it's an challenge if not too many flying around and that is a problem with it.
Now planes we don't complain about but doing much better against my plane
P51 12-8 guess this plane is flown by good pilots who are addicted to his plane.
mustang pilots
spit IXC 11-8 what can i say it's as lethal as a niki but more predictable also flown by many <S> spit pilots
Fw190A8 5-3 don't see em much but flown also by good pilots <S> luftwabbles (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Bf109g6 3-1 also not seen much and flown by addictly good pilots <S> to them too
Fairly going Fw190-A5 8-9
109-G2 1-2 guess it's a scenario plane
Now the big losers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Yak ?? 4-11 don't know why it can be very hardish at the deck
me109G10 9-18 guess it's flown by speeddweeps
And the biggest loser is the Zero 1-9
it's easy too outrun it and come back offcourse (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
offcourse these are not all fair engagements but says something about the numbers off planes flown here.
Some planes fly easier as other and offcourse ther will always be people going for the easyride but they will pay the price in the end coz u learn more from a plane that is undermodelled against other planes.
It's the pilot that kills a plane but it's the plane that makes the pilot don't forget that.
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I don't think any plane should be removed, it sets the wrong precendent. Lets just deal with the dang thing (whatever your particular dang thing is).
Karnak has 4 kills and has been killed 2 times against the F4U-1C.
And I'm not even very good. It should be 4 to 1, one of those deaths was a "Gila Monster" death. I blew its tail off, rolled and began to pull away, his rear dropped, he spun around on a verticle axis and ended up flying backwards with me in his sights, so he blew my wings off. We both got credit for the our kill.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 10-23-2000).]
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Originally posted by JoeMud:
Dont remove it just fix the fm and change the icon on the niki and chog to "GAY"
LOL JoeMud!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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the low speed handeling is just unbelievable and the 20 mm redicululos ( ho a tank and win and thay say its right lol) the low speed handeling i cant prove but the cannons are a joke a bad one, that has gone on for months .
they arent gonna change it they have said its right over and over.why? you got me i just wish now for the fun this game had befor the c hog and ostwind . for the first time im thinkin of quittin . one more freak vehical and im out. this arguin is never gonna stop as long and the hog c is in the game with turbo lasers . i say ditch it as it aint right and they cant/wont fix it.knowing full well it will do no good cause they aint listening .
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-towd_,
The Hispano cannons may not be at fault. It may be the tank armour.
Read this thread:
How AH tank armour works. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000924.html)
It seems certain parts of tanks are immune and others are overly vulnerable.
Sisu
-Karnak