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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Udie on April 09, 2003, 11:10:59 PM
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Schroder said: "The important thing now is to make a political profit out of a probable and welcome victory. That will only be the case if the Iraqi people can decide itself on its political and economic conditions."
Schroder, French President Jacques Chirac and Russian chief Vladmir Putin are due to sketch out their vision of Iraq's future in St. Petersburg Friday.
LOL hasn't even been a day and Schroder is openly talking about making political profit out of the liberation of Bagdad, and even before the war is over. Oh yeah a liberation he and his chronies did everything in their pathetic abilities to stop.
STFU!
LOL! chirac, shroder and putin's vision of iraq!! I think it crumbled with that statue of sadaam. LOSERS!!!!
STFU! and enjoy sleeping in the bed you've made!
Bagdad is FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D
May God bless America, the UK, Australia, Polland, Portugal, Spain and all the countries that helped and supported us and the newly free Iraqi people!
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Originally posted by Udie
May God bless America, the UK, Australia, Polland and the newly free Iraqi people!
What about Portugal and Spain?
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oops :D editted :D
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Tell that to the thousands of civillians that died in the process - and keep dying.
Your media may portray the war as something easy, pictures of lgb's hitting trucks and lots of fighters leaving carrier decks.
You never see the pain of the child who gets hit by mortar fire, you never see the dismembered body of the driver of that truck your plane bombed to your joy on live tv.
When I see you cheer about war.. It only brings one thought to my mind: What if YOU were one of the thousands wounded / killed. What if YOU were one of the coalition troops that died..
You wouldn't be gleeful at all. You'd be dead.
Think about it.. Real people are dying and you have the nerve to talk smack about the war. It's sickening.
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Originally posted by UserName
What about Portugal and Spain?
And Nicaragua?
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Is that number less than what Saddam Hussein ordered killed in the gas attacks and the subsequent killings immediately following the 1991 Persian Gulf War? Hell there are many hundreds of Iraqi officers who lost their lives after the 1st war because the 'Coalition' forces then were so overwhelmingly superior.
I understand that in many parts of the world thousands of civilians have died in war. But I truly think that their countries are better off for that. Yes war is hell but sometimes it is the only way to eliminate a cancer that eats the heart out of a nation. I feel very fortunate that I live in a nation that has not seen the scars of war tear it open in over 130 years.
Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Tell that to the thousands of civillians that died in the process - and keep dying.
Your media may portray the war as something easy, pictures of lgb's hitting trucks and lots of fighters leaving carrier decks.
You never see the pain of the child who gets hit by mortar fire, you never see the dismembered body of the driver of that truck your plane bombed to your joy on live tv.
When I see you cheer about war.. It only brings one thought to my mind: What if YOU were one of the thousands wounded / killed. What if YOU were one of the coalition troops that died..
You wouldn't be gleeful at all. You'd be dead.
Think about it.. Real people are dying and you have the nerve to talk smack about the war. It's sickening.
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Please bless Italy as well .... and dont forget to bless Iraqi ppl, as we are probably going to send there our "Carabinieri" for peacekeeping ;)
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Reschke the point is not to compare how many Saddam killed or how many coalition killed..
It's the general attitude people are handling this matter. What if one of the coalition KIA's was thier brother or sister? I bet that would change the tone.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Reschke the point is not to compare how many Saddam killed or how many coalition killed..
It's the general attitude people are handling this matter. What if one of the coalition KIA's was thier brother or sister? I bet that would change the tone.
Did you lose a brother or sister in the twin towers? or perhaps your mother or father was lucky enough to be aboard an airliner about to start a holiday of a lifetime when an Arab terrorist took over the aircraft and crashed it into the heart of America?
Everyone appreciates the cost.I find you arrogant in your assumption that everyone who posts they are pleased the war is almost over (as it seems) have no family hurt in the mess of terrorism and this Iraq war.
Ive seen mothers of soldiers declaring their pride at what their sons have acheived in Iraq.(CNN interveiw at a church in Alabama)
Ive seen angry fathers who blame Bush for their sons death.
What ive also seen is people blaming him for allowing the horrors like the twin towers sept 11 attack.The discenters, all for both a ban on war one minute then calling for security in their own country the next, they live in a dream world.They think that the world is a story book where age old hate can be stopped without anyone coming to harm.WE ALL WOULD LOVE THAT TO BE TRUE FFS!!! It just isnt.This is the REAL WORLD.Bad people use GUNS man! flowers in your hair might look right but they dont stop bullets.Pisses me off this chit!.
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Paragraph spacing costs nothing and avoids giving me a headache. :)
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Hazed I was talking about the ones who openly show joy for this tragedy.. They talk about the war like smashing an other team in a online game or something. They're detached of reality.
I wasn't generalizing.
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We are not happy about death and destruction. We are happy about what we saw yesterday in Baghdad. People joyous over realizing they are no longer under a dictator's thumb. Those were the most powerful images of the war so far.
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You cannot see people dance in the street in joy at their freedom and not be positively affected it. These are the people that lost friends and relatives to the bombing. Ask them?
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Or they are the ones that lost friends and relatives to Saddam Hussein? There are going to be a lot more of those even if this war went much worse, and there would have been more piled on indefinately had this war not happened.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Not those are not the people that lost friends and relatives in the war. Those people would be at home crying or silentlly hating the coalition.
Well..its abit detached to say this but..I bet Saddam would of murdered more of his people in a year than we killed or injured during the conflict.
We're going to have to wait to see what the "true" stats are concerning civilian deaths/injuries. Remember..many combatants are dressing in civilian clothing..this skews the numbers somewhat.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Not those are not the people that lost friends and relatives in the war. Those people would be at home crying or silentlly hating the coalition.
I doubt most iraqis are that stupid . Even the germans weren't that stupid .
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Tell that to the thousands of civillians that died in the process - and keep dying.
Your media may portray the war as something easy, pictures of lgb's hitting trucks and lots of fighters leaving carrier decks.
You never see the pain of the child who gets hit by mortar fire, you never see the dismembered body of the driver of that truck your plane bombed to your joy on live tv.
When I see you cheer about war.. It only brings one thought to my mind: What if YOU were one of the thousands wounded / killed. What if YOU were one of the coalition troops that died..
You wouldn't be gleeful at all. You'd be dead.
Think about it.. Real people are dying and you have the nerve to talk smack about the war. It's sickening.
At least when the war is won there will be no more killings as would be if Saddam was left in power, think about it and get off your high horse ya love muffin!
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so what your saying is your POV is objective.....
Hmm does that perspective come from your alphabet soup news stations reporting SANITIZED information.....
all your info is coming from the same place.....your seeing the same on every american station.....Saddams statue fallin
me I see Saddams statue fallin...but I also see an 8 yr old kid with his arm missing(Arab)....or people BEGGING for Water or Food.(French English Canadian)....
on most american stations you see....LIBERATION.....I see Occupation Liberation(French and English Canadian)
Occupation(French France)...on the BBC is see Liberation and a sense of hmmm(can't find a word for it....but they don't wanna been seen as an occupation force)
talk about being objective......
now here come the lions....
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Originally posted by SLO
so what your saying is your POV is objective.....
Hmm does that perspective come from your alphabet soup news stations reporting SANITIZED information.....
all your info is coming from the same place.....your seeing the same on every american station.....Saddams statue fallin
me I see Saddams statue fallin...but I also see an 8 yr old kid with his arm missing(Arab)....or people BEGGING for Water or Food.(French English Canadian)....
on most american stations you see....LIBERATION.....I see Occupation Liberation(French and English Canadian)
Occupation(French France)...on the BBC is see Liberation and a sense of hmmm(can't find a word for it....but they don't wanna been seen as an occupation force)
talk about being objective......
now here come the lions....
You obviously haven't watched American stations.
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Originally posted by Martlet
You obviously haven't watched American stations.
your right cause after 5 days of watching sanitized news it got pretty repetitive.....watch the explosion...BUT MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SEE THE AFTER-EFFECTS..wouldn't be good for ratings:p
can you say boring....say it...will make you feel good...you'll see:D
here's what I like doing....
flick to CNN...same as you
flick to TV5....French(France)...sure you don't watch that 1
flick to RDI....French Canadian....sure you don't get that 1 either
flick to LCN..French English Canadian
flick to BBC..British...when its on
flick to CBC...English Canadian
talk with folks in my classroom....
4 Arabs(Algerians)...1 French Arab(France)....1 French(France)
3 English Canadians....2 French Canadians....1 Korean...1 African
see I get INTERNATIONAL POV's from very VERY different folks then you would....
what you get is AMERICANIZED info....I can take just so much of that POV
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I am sure everyone hear knows that war is not a thing to be celebrated, I support the war and our troops. Do I want civilians to die of course not, the American troops are doing there best not to let that happen.
Unfortunately bombs, missiles and bullets dont always hit there target. We should all hope this war ends soon and the people of Iraq are given water, food, medical attention and other supplies asap.
GScholz
So we should have let Hitler stay in power, or perhaps just let him have all of Europe. I am not denying your statement just putting a spin on it.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Hazed I was talking about the ones who openly show joy for this tragedy.. They talk about the war like smashing an other team in a online game or something. They're detached of reality.
I wasn't generalizing.
The greater tragedy has been the years of abuse, torture, and murder by Saddam and his supporters. The ones I see most joyfully celebrating are the Iraqis. Would you deny them the joy of their new found freedom? Well, you might try but neither we nor they will let you.
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hitler was no threat to USA, it's just reducilus.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Hazed I was talking about the ones who openly show joy for this tragedy.. They talk about the war like smashing an other team in a online game or something. They're detached of reality.
I wasn't generalizing.
The "reality" is that more people die in Iraq of starvation EACH year than were killed in the entire gulf war.
Diverting money from the Food for Oil program into his military,not to mention his pockets may have had something to do with that.
Yes,it would be terrible to show open joy for the downfall of this man.
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Udie, since I am not a religious person, could I ask you to ask, say, a secular entity to bless us instead?
Or maybe there is a god. Maybe I better place both spots.
Never mind
Udie, and all other pig headed yanks here :D
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I think some of you should perhaps put the current joy of the liberated Iraqi people ahead oy your own narcissistic "pacifism" and childish hatred of america...
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Originally posted by StSanta
pig headed yanks
i have to add that to my sig , along with "war-mongering" and "oil-guzzling"
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Originally posted by SLO
your right cause after 5 days of watching sanitized news it got pretty repetitive.....watch the explosion...BUT MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SEE THE AFTER-EFFECTS..wouldn't be good for ratings:p
can you say boring....say it...will make you feel good...you'll see:D
here's what I like doing....
flick to CNN...same as you
flick to TV5....French(France)...sure you don't watch that 1
flick to RDI....French Canadian....sure you don't get that 1 either
flick to LCN..French English Canadian
flick to BBC..British...when its on
flick to CBC...English Canadian
talk with folks in my classroom....
4 Arabs(Algerians)...1 French Arab(France)....1 French(France)
3 English Canadians....2 French Canadians....1 Korean...1 African
see I get INTERNATIONAL POV's from very VERY different folks then you would....
what you get is AMERICANIZED info....I can take just so much of that POV
You are obviously an ignorant little boy. Let me know when you get out of your bubble.
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Originally posted by SLO
your right cause after 5 days of watching sanitized news it got pretty repetitive.....watch the explosion...BUT MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SEE THE AFTER-EFFECTS..wouldn't be good for ratings:p
can you say boring....say it...will make you feel good...you'll see:D
here's what I like doing....
flick to CNN...same as you
flick to TV5....French(France)...sure you don't watch that 1
flick to RDI....French Canadian....sure you don't get that 1 either
flick to LCN..French English Canadian
flick to BBC..British...when its on
flick to CBC...English Canadian
talk with folks in my classroom....
4 Arabs(Algerians)...1 French Arab(France)....1 French(France)
3 English Canadians....2 French Canadians....1 Korean...1 African
see I get INTERNATIONAL POV's from very VERY different folks then you would....
what you get is AMERICANIZED info....I can take just so much of that POV
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. There are more people from different countries in America than any other country in the world. That's why it's called the melting pot. I was in first grade with Indians (from India) Vietnamese, Black, White. Through my teens my best friends from from Iran. I bet I know more about that culture than you would ever want to know, but I'm a dumb Texan American so that can't be right. Then there are my (EX) labanese friends, they were psycho! They took sadaam's side in Gulf War 1 so I stopped hanging out with them at that time. I knew more people of diferent nationality by the time I was 6 than most people from other countries know in their whole life. How many Vietnamese children did your family adopt?
How many conversations about what N. Vietnam did to the south after we left have you had with the guy that owns the convenience store down the street from your office, who you see every day and know by name? How many hispanics did you talk to today? How many arabs did you see? How many English people do you see every day? South Africans? Aussies? Chinese? How many of them do you call friend?
How many Japanese teachers did you have growing up? I had 2. How many Russian teachers? I had 1 and she was very glad to be in America ;) How many people from South and Central America have you ever met? Several here.... My best friend in 7th and 8th grade was from Calgary. They used to brag about thier rodeo, but never convensed me that it was bigger than the Houston rodeo. Then there was my buddy Johan and his brother Sabastian from Norway. We were good friends in 4th and 5th grade. Really nice mom too she used to make us all Coolaid (Oh YEAH! :D) to drink in the afternoon when we were playing football in front of their house.
How many diferent cultures do you have in your country? There are people of about 6 different nationalities that live on my street. Yours? Please don't talk to us about international POV's, it's all around us here in America.....
ignorant arrogant frog....
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Originally posted by Udie
Please don't talk to us about international POV's, it's all around us here in America.....
ignorant arrogant frog....
Well not really, in USA, if you happen to voice a different opinion you get insulted rigth away. People start yelling at you with a bunch of true and not so true concepts.
As far as I'm concerned, the arrogant is definitly the "American" as they are totaly not open to discussion. They say:"go ahead, I'd like to ear about your ideas"... but in the middle of it, they start raising their voice and shoot at you for 20 minutes straights about all the cliches fed by TV. The best being boby joe who never left L.A. talking how I don't know how life is in France.:D
rarely I could have a descent discussion were I wasn't talking to a perrot. With hae a saying in France: "whoever knows the least about a subject, will be the one with the strongest opinion".
Alas, many americans, while trying to chalenge them, didn't behave better than a Arab nationalist interviewed by Al-Jeezira.
You are now cleared to resume your bashing, this sanity break was offered you by Freedomy.:D
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
offered you by Freedomy.:D [/B]
:D that just cracks me up!