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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: LUPO on April 10, 2003, 08:40:35 AM
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when we'll get new ITALIAN planes??
Reggiane re2005
FIAT G55
or, if you don't like "serie 5"...
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at least a bomber...
a torpedo bomber...
THE torpedo bomber...
was called SPARVIERO...
you know that...
please...
:rolleyes:
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we already have enough Italian planes :p
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MORE SPITS!!!!! :D
Oh, an a couple of p38 variants would be nice too hehehehehe
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I can think of 20 american fighters and bombers that we must have before any other planes are added to the hanger!!!
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hmmm i think they should add the rest of the hurricane a6m and LA series before we get anything like that!!!
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I feal your Pain Lupo, but if I was to bet I would not bet on them coming anytime soon, hopefully I am wrong but my impreshion is that IL-2 Forgoten Battles will have More New Italian stuff way Before AH will.
Suposidely a 202 and a CR 42 are almsot done for it.
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The Japanese plane set should have top priority for any new aircraft.
We have plenty of American, British, Russian & Italian planes for the present.
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LoL italians only have the 202, and the 205. Japanese have the Ki67, A6M, A6Mb, Niki , Ki61, Val..
Ya i think their a lil outnumbered.:rolleyes:
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actually im pretty sure the british and american plane sets have as much as they need...i suggest that they start adding more russian and italian planes
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What about Spits II-IV,VI-VIII,X-XIII!!!!!!!!!!
AH needs more spits if it wants to corner the Air Quakers that like ugly as hell aicraft market!!!
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If were to make an educated gues, the next patch will be US/ German heavy since the Next patch/update/vershion of AH-AH2 will include the ToD Theater and at present the plane set we have is closest to suporting only one theater the Europen one, all other theater's are very low on potiential types to creat an even remotly corect historical plane set.
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2 Italian planes please.
Cant Z.1007 and Fiat Cr. 42 ( I'd actually prefer the Fiat G.55 or even a G.50, but someone needs to support Brady:D).
Pooh - you need to research your Spit Marks before you go making posts like that. Of all the ones you mentioned only two were in widespread use as fighters - The Marks II and VIII. The rest were either prototypes (Mark IV was the first Griffon engined Spit airframe and was later redesignated Mk XX, then Mk XII to keep everyone on their toes.), low volume high-alt fighters (Mark VII with much increased wing area and pressurised cabin), or photo reconaissance models (Mark XI).
If we really MUST have another spit, make it a bubble canopy E wing Mk XVI with the big tail fin. The Mk XVI is a Packard Merlin 266 engined Mk IX before everyone gets all excited about the XVI being superior to the XIV.
Oops - please :)
palef
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Originally posted by palef
( I'd actually prefer the Fiat G.55 or even a G.50, but someone needs to support Brady:D).
I'd LOVE to see these two! :)
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(http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/photos/caisander_fw190d_03.jpg)
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We need Spitfires VIII, LF IX, XII, XVI, and F. 21 first.
Seafires L. Mk. III and XV too.
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hey funked that .gif i posted had a transparency instead of grey on your icon, you don't care?
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We need more planes from the caribbean....... Wait a minute the caribbean has no planes..... :-):)
P.S. I am from there so it is ok for me to make fun.........
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Originally posted by palef
2 Italian planes please.
Cant Z.1007 and Fiat Cr. 42 ( I'd actually prefer the Fiat G.55 or even a G.50, but someone needs to support Brady:D)...
Yes, we desperately need the Cant Z.1007, but the Cr. 42 would be completely outclassed, so I think that a Mc.200 would be better. The Mc.200 was produced in big numbers along with the G.50 in the early-mid war
Originally posted by icemaw
I can think of 20 american fighters and bombers that we must have before any other planes are added to the hanger!!!
Do you realize what you said?
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I want to reseach spits about as much as I want to watch "documentaries" on Dowdings lifestyle choice.
So no research on spits ever!
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Why not?...
RE2005 (http://members.tripod.com/cm_busc/index.htm)
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Ya it would be nice.:)
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I want to reseach spits about as much as I want to watch "documentaries" on Dowdings lifestyle choice.
So no research on spits ever!
It is a far better thing to make a sarcastic point from a position of knowledge than blind bigoted ignorance.
IMHO of course.
Palef
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Originally posted by LUPO
Why not?...
RE2005 (http://members.tripod.com/cm_busc/index.htm)
Because it's a big ugly collection of weird looking triangle shapes.
Fiat G.55!!! :D Most beautiful Italian aircraft ever.
palef
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Far from having MORE airplanes/GV's, it's quite possible that AH2 may have less than AH currently has.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Far from having MORE airplanes/GV's, it's quite possible that AH2 may have less than AH currently has.
J_A_B
OK - The petition to ban J_A_B starts NOW!
palef
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Im not a big italian plane fan, but that 2005 looks sweeet :)
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Ignorance?
I know enough about spits such as brown ones always outturn grey ones. And dark grey ones outturn light grey ones and can out E brown ones. Anymore I dont care to learn!
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No JAB all the current models most likely will be used. AH2 isnt a "new" graphics eng but an expansion of the current. I doudt all the planes will have all the the new art work but they will still be flyable and eventually updated kinda like the p51 was.
Same with the terrains. While new terrains get turned out with new features we may still fly on the old ones.
It took 3 years to get where we are now I would hate to think that HT is starting from scratch.
There are plenty of planes out there. But I think the VVS, IJN and the Eyeties need a little loving first before any more Sheeeeetfires.
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mmmm.....spitfires:)
(http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~wingman/pics/ep120.jpg)
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Ofcourse I'd like to see the Liberator in AH, but instead of more planes, I'd also like to see better interior graphic's for almost all the bombers (like the waist gunners compartiment, and the ball turret in the Fortress)
the tailgunners comp. isn't to beautifill either..
and I can go on like this for many hours :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Pooh21
What about Spits II-IV,VI-VIII,X-XIII!!!!!!!!!!
AH needs more spits if it wants to corner the Air Quakers that like ugly as hell aicraft market!!!
i would hate to see your wife.
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AH2 will be a huge overhaul of AH. That is about the limit of what we know. The current AH plane models may or may not be compatible with HTC's new and improved system--they really haven't commented on whether that is the case, so we don't know. I mean, it wouldn't be taking HTC the better part of a year for this update if it wasn't a massive change.
Oh I'd agree that HTC will probably transfer over most of the current AH planeset to AH2. However, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the truly useless planes remain absent (un-used junk like the Hurricane 2D comes to mind). Given their timetable, it wouldn't make much sense to transfer over units which have proven to be worthless, unless the transfer is quite easy.
To counter that, I seem to recall HTC remarking that their new plane-adding tools are less time-consuming than what they currently have, which would suggest they'll be able to add new equipment at a faster rate after the initial release.
One unchanging fact is we apparently won't be seeing anything new through the summer.
J_A_B
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J_A_B - kinda full of yourself aren;t ya??
I enjoy the Hurricane IID. Just because you don't doesn't make it "junk"
palef
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Not saying there aren't individuals who don't like stuff like the Hurricane IID, but it HAS been one of the most consistently least-used airplanes in the AH inventory, not only in terms of MA usage, but also in terms of CT use and event utility (sorry though for calling it "junk", perhaps bad taste on my part). Besides, I was using it as a mere example. With the stated European focus of AH2, it's also possible that we may not initially have some of the popular AH aircraft, such as some of the F4U variants.
OTOH it's equally possible that HTC my indeed be able to incorporate all existing units into AH2. We will see :) My point was that HTC has been somewhat vague as to exactly what specific units we will have in AH2, so it may be premature to assume that all existing units will be represented in the initial release. I would surely expect some of the models to be missing from the Beta release, whenever it happens.
J_A_B
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If Memorie serves they said in the AH2 forum at some point that they would all be available, and that we would be geting some more planes when it came out.
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I'll call the Hurri IID junk then if JAB's no longer permitted to. And if you'd like, I'll grab most if not all planes in the Aces High inventory and beat you silly with it.
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Originally posted by Batz
Same with the terrains. While new terrains get turned out with new features we may still fly on the old ones.
Been told that AH2 will support the old terrains. There may be some 'retro' fits done on them.
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J_A_B I was rude and I apologise - that was an excellent non-confrontational reply.
Manx - Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh SHuddup :)
palef
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Hehe sorry Palef. I honestly find it to be a sub-par aircraft in the MA environment tho. I know you may fly it, but there were a few people who bought Lada's too....dosen't mean it was a superior automobile.
I think what hurts that plane the most is that I don't feel the 303's are modelled to have the effect that they had. They historically put a lot of lead into the air in a hurry, but that isn't modelled to the AH .303's advantage.
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Hmm gotta work on my sarcasim.:(
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I have returned back up brady in his great fight for one of the best planes in the world that htc must add , one of the greatest planes of the entire world... The.. CR.42!!!!!!!!! :)
Ok now back to programming shadows gate, which i need to get started on since i been doing nothing but nothing all day :D
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CR42 was a great plane.
A brother of my grandmother died into it in the skies of Albania, during ww2.
If interested in the plane or in the story, have a look to :
Nicola Magaldi (http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/italy_magaldi.htm)
Hakans aviation page (http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/)
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Anyway, I want this ;)
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/aer401.jpg)
this :D
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/aer402.jpg)
and, of course, this :cool:
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/cc13.jpg)
(images from I soliti 4 gatti (http://www.isoliti4gatti.com/) website )
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if we get these italian planes, we need the Gloster gladiator (faith, Hope and Charity markings) and malta scenery so we can shoot them all down :D
(http://www.brooksart.com/Faith.jpg)
Faith, Hope & Charity fought for 17 days without relief & played a fundamental role in fooling the Italian intelligence into thinking Malta had a substantial fighter defence
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Yes to re2005 and the P47N :D
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we have too many p-47's as it is :) and i sure as hell wouldn't want to meet u in a p47N
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The Re2005 and G.55 are both pretty and capable machines, and would be quite suitable to the MA environment. However that is all that they would be suitable for. I can think of few aircraft less useful from a historical scenario point of view than those two.
The C.205 was produced in much larger quantites than either the Re2005 or G.55, and yet the C.205 still has little more than half the production numbers of the N1K2-J, which is much maligned due to it's low production numbers.
From the perspective of scenarios the Italian aircraft we need are things like the C.200, Re2000, Re2002, CR.42, S.M.79-II, and Cant Z.1007. However all of those have practically no purpose in the MA and would see little usage.
All of this is complicated by what performance data HTC has available for all of these aircraft. This is something we can only guess at.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The Re2005 and G.55 are both pretty and capable machines, and would be quite suitable to the MA environment. However that is all that they would be suitable for. I can think of few aircraft less useful from a historical scenario point of view than those two.
The C.205 was produced in much larger quantites than either the Re2005 or G.55, and yet the C.205 still has little more than half the production numbers of the N1K2-J, which is much maligned due to it's low production numbers.
From the perspective of scenarios the Italian aircraft we need are things like the C.200, Re2000, Re2002, CR.42, S.M.79-II, and Cant Z.1007. However all of those have practically no purpose in the MA and would see little usage.
All of this is complicated by what performance data HTC has available for all of these aircraft. This is something we can only guess at.
Good points Karnak . HTC should decide to add Italian planes by the way they see fit for AHII. If AHII starts out early war, then they would probably want to add the MC.200, G.50, or CR.42 first. Late war, vice versa.
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Karnak wrote:
All of this is complicated by what performance data HTC has available for all of these aircraft. This is something we can only guess at.
I think there are official data available both for CR42 and for S.M .79
I really hope to see those two aircraft in AH. Mediterranean scenarios, like Malta defence etc, would be great!
And we need gladiators too, of course!
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We need absolytely this:
(http://events.hitechcreations.com/terrain/Kanttori/Pictures/fa10.jpg)
:D
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that plane needs a facelift..............and a nosejob.
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They did the facelift and nosejob, Furball.
It's called FIAT G.55 Centauro
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/G55.jpg)
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Lupo read my siggy.
'nuff said :D :p
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Hey Moot, wht's that 4-gun Dora you posted. A D-11?
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ONE wing, Glasses??? Change your lenses...
I have FOUR !!! :D
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/CR42.jpg)
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Originally posted by LUPO
They did the facelift and nosejob, Furball.
It's called FIAT G.55 Centauro
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/G55.jpg)
ahh, now thats a nice looking plane :)
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(http://free.hostdepartment.com/4/418sqdn/images/mh434sm.jpg)
but thats nicer :D
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Originally posted by Furball
(http://free.hostdepartment.com/4/418sqdn/images/mh434sm.jpg)
but thats nicer :D
Lol, good joke :p
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No Lupo this... " Kurt Tank is your daddy" :D :p
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Actually Kurt Tank is (was) my grandfather...
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/tank.jpg)
This is an envelop that he sent me some years ago... :cool:
is sig is right under the spit.
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/ENV1.jpg)
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In the picture below he's showing me a model. He made it for me as a toy whan I was a little boy. :)
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/tank2.jpg)
This is the drawing of the toy :D
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/flitz.jpg)
Ops, I forgot...
Also my oncles Hartmann and Galland sent me some greets... ;)
(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/gall.jpg):cool:
Do you like my collection? :p
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I hate you. :D
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it's a D11, yes.
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LOL, Glasses! :D
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Originally posted by Karnak
The Re2005 and G.55 are both pretty and capable machines, and would be quite suitable to the MA environment. However that is all that they would be suitable for. I can think of few aircraft less useful from a historical scenario point of view than those two.
The C.205 was produced in much larger quantites than either the Re2005 or G.55, and yet the C.205 still has little more than half the production numbers of the N1K2-J, which is much maligned due to it's low production numbers.
From the perspective of scenarios the Italian aircraft we need are things like the C.200, Re2000, Re2002, CR.42, S.M.79-II, and Cant Z.1007. However all of those have practically no purpose in the MA and would see little usage.
All of this is complicated by what performance data HTC has available for all of these aircraft. This is something we can only guess at.
Sooner or later AH will have a RPS and a mission oriented arena. Then you will see what a 205 will do during the first half of the 1943, or what a C.200 will do against an early slow Hurricane or Spitfire MkV with sand filter. Or what a G.55 with 3x20mm and 2x12,7mm will do against 1943 allied bombers. Numbers? We fly a simulation, not the real life ... numbers dont matter. Take a look at the Flak panzer and the F4U-1C.
Performance data? The G.55 has a nice manual with speed and climb data. Pyro has it. We have even the performance data of the mighty G.56, the DB603 engined G.55. A nice P-51D "ass kicker" :D
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Oh, finally some italian folks are showing up! :)
Fratelli d'Italia...
G56.......................... ................Volare, oh ohhhhhhhhhhhh!:D