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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 10, 2003, 09:39:45 AM
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Since the left is running out of things to complain about...here is one they can say "See? We just turned their world upside down!"
You guys are so predicatable, I figured I'll just give you your fuel that you need that keeps you thinking you're in the right. ;)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2862-2003Apr10.html
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boy animal my internet rules now!
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That author - HAMZA HENDAWI - simply does not understad what's going on.
Only at first glance it is strange why US and british troops are not enforcing public order and theft or destruction of the property that rightly belongs to the Iraqi people - since the "evil regime" and Ba'ath are no more.
The more looting and burning and killing and destruction of records and displacement of people happens before the order is restored, the more difficult it will be to assess the civilian casualties caused directly by US/UK weapons vs. those blamed on iraqis themselves after their civil order has been disrupted.
It's not much but it will help us in the future PR campaign.
BTW, why do our marines bother toppling the statues? Our goal was to topple the actual guy, which we did or are very close to doing. Wouldn't it be better to leave the toppling and destruction of the statues to the actual iraqis? There certainly are some that would want to do so. That would at least indicate that they hated the regime, etc.
Or maybe they would have left some statues in place like Ukrainians did the statues of Lenin - not only those are parts of their heritage and landmark people grew up with but most importantly the constant reminder of the past and warnings for the future.
miko
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Phew..
And I was really afraid we were no longer going to enjoy the soviet fantasy view of this war since the GRU reports stopped..
Tell me miko just how much does it piss you russians off that we were able to take almost a whole country in only three weeks while destryoing no cities and being welcomed as liberators with hugs and kisses while the best your boys coud do in years and years in chechnya was to flatten their cities and recklessy kill tens and tens of thousands?
Actually I now understand the dour soviet view on this war, it must be going bad for the USA since we have not yet destroyed a single city, not one!!! Ut simply isnt a war of liberation unless at least one major city is razed to the ground!
Thanks for the comedy miko :D
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taking is usually no problem. it's holding that is a squeak.
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The German Embassy, a three-story off-white building in the center of al-Karada district, was also sacked. Looters emerged with air conditioners and computers. Looters also cleaned out the French Cultural Center and Odai's house, the Arab TV network Al-Jazeera reported.
I guess the Iraqi's were watching the news all along!
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LOL poetic!! :D
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Originally posted by miko2d
That author - HAMZA HENDAWI - simply does not understad what's going on.
Only at first glance it is strange why US and british troops are not enforcing public order and theft or destruction of the property that rightly belongs to the Iraqi people - since the "evil regime" and Ba'ath are no more.
The more looting and burning and killing and destruction of records and displacement of people happens before the order is restored, the more difficult it will be to assess the civilian casualties caused directly by US/UK weapons vs. those blamed on iraqis themselves after their civil order has been disrupted.
It's not much but it will help us in the future PR campaign.
BTW, why do our marines bother toppling the statues? Our goal was to topple the actual guy, which we did or are very close to doing. Wouldn't it be better to leave the toppling and destruction of the statues to the actual iraqis? There certainly are some that would want to do so. That would at least indicate that they hated the regime, etc.
Or maybe they would have left some statues in place like Ukrainians did the statues of Lenin - not only those are parts of their heritage and landmark people grew up with but most importantly the constant reminder of the past and warnings for the future.
miko
HAHAHA
Your whimpering is getting weaker, but nice effort.
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GRUNHERZ, you handsomehunk, get it into you thick head that I am not a russian, neither am I from Russia but from Ukraine - a country that was suffering under the oppressive rule of russian governments for over three centuries until 1991 - much like Chechnya and a number of other subjugated provinces of the former Russian empire.
In the Russia-Chechnya conflict my sympathies are certainly not on the russian side. I surely regret that chechens were not able to inflict enough casualties on the russian troops to achieve independence.
The fact that losing the Chechnya, stopping the chronic warfare and reducing the role of military mafia in the russian government would greatly benefit democratic and economic development of Russia would be just the icing on a cake.
The whole world would have also benefited from their experience. When the future socialist economists teach the students how 13% flat tax did Russia no good, they will surely forget to mention there was a war going on.
Anyway, you should really stop making dumb assumptions based on the imaginary locality of my birth.
and being welcomed as liberators with hugs and kisses
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses. I believe the same is true about your native land.
Iraqi know they are beaten - I believe the spread of TV and radio are responcible for that. You cannot fool a soldier that resistance makes sense because situation is good elsewhere. They can see. So they surrender, ho gome or switch to our side like Taliban peopld did. Some live to fight another day, whatever.
How about the subject itself. Do you really think it was a captain-level decision to let iraqis loot their state property and settle scores unimpeded? For every dollar of damage they cause now - by removing crucial equipment, wire, piping, documentation, etc, many times more will be needed to replace and fix it and the sude-effects of destruction - making those same iraqis dependent on the largesse of benevolent occupation authorities that much longer.
Wouldn't it be a proper time to show iraqis that we stand for law and order? Didn't we denigrade Saddam Hussein a few month ago for giving amnesty to criminals in prosons and releasing them into the streets? What do you think those criminals are doing right now with the cover of occupation forces?
miko
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I know you are Ukranian...
Yes I admit the USA is letting the looting go on to cover up for the 859,376,978 civilan deaths - yes thats true and indesputable. Think how stupid that sounds miko...
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I wish they had a voting deportation system.
If you got X number of votes, they sent you back to your country of origin.
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miko hates americans and america and sends his kid to a russian school , but he loves to make big american dollars and live in nice american house and drive nice car and not have to stand in line to buy tolet paper and meat. also no KGB to knock on door in middle of night.
but as soon as the world finds out the american dollar is worthless, miko will move to canada or brazil or france
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Originally posted by john9001
miko hates americans and america and sends his kid to a russian school , but he loves to make big american dollars and live in nice american house and drive nice car and not have to stand in line to buy tolet paper and meat. also no KGB to knock on door in middle of night.
but as soon as the world finds out the american dollar is worthless, miko will move to canada or brazil or france
He had no trouble taking American welfare.
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Originally posted by Martlet
I wish they had a voting deportation system.
If you got X number of votes, they sent you back to your country of origin.
But where would we send dip****s like you ?
:D
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GRUNHERZ: Yes I admit the USA is letting the looting go on to cover up for the 859,376,978 civilan deaths - yes thats true and indesputable.
It may be the result of oversight or incompetence or someone's decision to muddle the water.
It is not as essential why it is really going on but what a billion muslims and other people on this planet will believe.
john9001: miko hates americans and america and sends his kid to a russian school
I understand that imagining other people's motivation is considered an acceptabe practice, but where the heck did you get that other crap? My kid is 18 months old. I wish I had any idea what school he is going to attend.
miko
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mexico fdski, land of the super non socialist privatised everything.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Since the left is running out of things to complain about...here is one they can say "See? We just turned their world upside down!"
You guys are so predicatable, I figured I'll just give you your fuel that you need that keeps you thinking you're in the right. ;)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2862-2003Apr10.html
Pre-emtive strikes are forbidden for very good reasons.
It's sad that Bush & Co chosed the side of evil :(
It's a good thing that Saddam & CO are gone and Iraq people have a new chance now but that is only collateral dammage of Bush politics anyway. Was never an important goal for them.
It's the cloud of haze Bush and CO are hidding behind trying to fool anybody on this planet.
All they do is to look for american interests and nothing as american interests. If another country has it's benefits from their politics it's ok for them, nothing more, it isn't a goal. The one and only goal is the strengh of their very own country.
Bad enough US administration is follow their unilateral politics, Kyoto Protocoll, Landmine Protocoll (what do they need all the mines for->pre-emtive?), International Court D-Haag->for all countries but not for me because i'm God)
International community is only an adress of blackmailing or abused for own interests.
I said abused in the last sentence because it's nothing wrong about serving your country but all that PROPAGANDA about fighting for a 'Free World' is nothing like one big lie.
I don't talk about american people here, i talk about a bad government.
Flamesuit on , please call me names :D
Regards Blitz
This war is wrong, unjust, unnessasary and cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and wounded tenthousands. The government of one country decided who's to live and who's to die for all the countries of this planet. Bush and the hawks in his government are dangerous for the civilised world. Keep an eye on them!
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses. So true .
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sorry miko , i got you confused with another communist that lives in america and sends his kid to a russian school.
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Did Blitz say something??
:D
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Originally posted by john9001
sorry miko , i got you confused with another communist that lives in america and sends his kid to a russian school.
offcourse babtist sending his kid to church school is fine, he just wants best for his kid.
Catholic sending his kid to catolic school is fine as well, just what's best for the kid.
Mormon sending kids to mormon schools is ok too.
But you, Miko, are just a whoopee russian communist !!!!
From ukraine !!! Of all places !!!
you know John, he's almost your neighbour, i mean ukraine does border with Georgia, and that's just a stone throw to florida !!!
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Originally posted by blitz
Bad enough US administration is follow their unilateral politics, Kyoto Protocoll, Landmine Protocoll (what do they need all the mines for->pre-emtive?), International Court D-Haag->for all countries but not for me because i'm God)
Kyoto Protocoll is bad law, 3rd world nations would have no polution restrictions and US would have unreasonable restrictions placed on it, most nations did not sign it anyway.
Landmine Protocoll , the US has developed a landmine that will degrade over time and become inactive, making the protocall moot.
International Court D-Haag, you judge your crimes , we will judge ours, International law is what nations agree on, the US does not agree to let you judge us, arrogant ? yes , but no more than the french.
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fd ski , i did not call miko a "Golly-geemed russian communist " , i called him a "communist".
if you think he's a"Golly-geemed russian' , thats your opinion , not mine
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Pre-emtive strikes are forbidden for very good reasons.
Name three
It's sad that Bush & Co chosed the side of evil
By that are you saying Frogs and Cabbageheads are on the side of good?
It's a good thing that Saddam & CO are gone and Iraq people have a new chance now but that is only collateral dammage of Bush politics anyway. Was never an important goal for them.
Name the goals you think they're after
It's the cloud of haze Bush and CO are hidding behind trying to fool anybody on this planet.
What the mystery they are trying to hide?
All they do is to look for american interests and nothing as american interests. If another country has it's benefits from their politics it's ok for them, nothing more, it isn't a goal. The one and only goal is the strengh of their very own country.
Thats exactly why I voted for them
Bad enough US administration is follow their unilateral politics, Kyoto Protocoll, Landmine Protocoll (what do they need all the mines for->pre-emtive?), International Court D-Haag->for all countries but not for me because i'm God)
How was the action against Iraq unilateral? I believe it conformed to every resolution called for by the majority of nations in the UN. The only nations I know of who tried to undermine UN authority was france, germany and russia. Wasn't it france and some others who called for another resolution? The U.S. agreed to one, but why bother with a second proposal when it's common knowledge it will be voted against before it's even submitted?
International community is only an adress of blackmailing or abused for own interests.
Haven't a clue what you just said
I said abused in the last sentence because it's nothing wrong about serving your country but all that PROPAGANDA about fighting for a 'Free World' is nothing like one big lie.
Since you were born in a country that has done nothing but start a war for domination I can understand why this must seem foreign to you.
I don't talk about american people here, i talk about a bad government.
As I told you before Blitz I do take offense when you talk bad about my government. You want to complain about it then get over here become a citizen and vote otherwise STFU.
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Originally posted by john9001
Kyoto Protocoll is bad law, 3rd world nations would have no polution restrictions and US would have unreasonable restrictions placed on it, most nations did not sign it anyway.
Landmine Protocoll , the US has developed a landmine that will degrade over time and become inactive, making the protocall moot.
International Court D-Haag, you judge your crimes , we will judge ours, International law is what nations agree on, the US does not agree to let you judge us, arrogant ? yes , but no more than the french.
Was US who supported International Court bigtime , my friend.
Guess it's only for countries without WMDs, though :D
Regards Blitz
This war is wrong, unjust, unnessasary and cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and wounded tenthousands. The government of one country decided who's to live and who's to die for all the countries of this planet. Bush and the hawks in his government are dangerous for the civilised world. Keep an eye on them!
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses. So true .
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john9001: sorry miko , i got you confused with another communist that lives in america and sends his kid to a russian school.
Your brains must be really addled today if you can confuse a communist with an ultra-right free-market private-everything libertarian.
Let me check
No government involvement in economy.
No welfare system or social programs.
No money issued by state - private money or gold standard or whatever market comes up with only.
No centralised control of anything besides military and justice system.
Free trade - no tariffs of controls.
No federal environmental protection agency.
No FDA.
No state ownership of land.
No state involvement in education.
Yeah, real easy to confuse with communist views. :rolleyes:
Watch out if you have to drive today... :)
miko
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Odd sentence. Unless you're down there vacationing and have a serious case of BB come road rage. :eek: :rolleyes:
Originally posted by miko2d
Watch out if you have to drive today... :)
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""Watch out if you have to drive today... ""
i always watch out when i drive, i thought that was how it was suposed to be done.
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Arlo: Odd sentence. Unless you're down there vacationing and have a serious case of BB come road rage. :eek: :rolleyes:
Oh, no - I just ment that he did not seem to be thinking clearly. Maybe he had a sleepless night or a flu or took drowsiness-causing medication or there is something else that can affect his judgement. So I advised him to be carefull.
I am certainly not offended but just amused that someone could confuse a communist with a libertarian - though it's more likely a common culural trend here to call all political opponents "communists" but mostly among illiterate americans which he isn't. So no hostile feelings on my part. No reason for paranoia.
miko
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miko , no offense taken, you and i always disagree, but thats life.
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;)
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Ahhh ... ok, gotcha. Just for the record, since I really haven't read all your posts ... are you a communist or a libertarian?
Originally posted by miko2d
I am certainly not offended but just amused that someone could confuse a communist with a libertarian
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I am as libertarian as they come - a complete individualist this side of anarchism. Next to "paleo-conservatives". Opposite of a communist which is a total collectivist. Way beyong socialists like republicans, democrats, neo-conservative, etc. Very strong government that does nothing but protects life, property and enforces contracts.
No economic involvement, no social tinkering, no religion, no education, nothing. Basically, military and judicial and the rest through voluntary human interaction, private enterprise and competition. Whatever people believe should be done by the government, they can do in their towns and states, not through federal or UN or world government.
I've posted quite a thread here on rights, liberty and the rule of law, if you care to search and get the idea of the whole libertarian position in one place.
miko
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Only at first glance it is strange why US and british troops are not enforcing public order and theft or destruction of the property that rightly belongs to the Iraqi people - since the "evil regime" and Ba'ath are no more.
Wouldn't it be better to leave the toppling and destruction of the statues to the actual iraqis?
Miko,
Our military is the best in the world, but you give it way too much credit if you think it can fight a war AND police every citizen. You are wacked.
As for the statue, the military were only bystanders until some Iraqi citizens asked for help in toppling it. I see no problem in that.
Miko, you continuously make every effort you can to put the name of the USA in a bad light. It really shows just what you are.
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Originally posted by Martlet
I wish they had a voting deportation system.
If you got X number of votes, they sent you back to your country of origin.
Martlet, you're a sharp guy who raises great points in most debates. However, when you ask that Sandman be banned for being "too liberal," or advocate a deportation system that recommends people who disagree with you be deported, you come across as being intolorant.
Maybe this isn't the "right" bulletin board for you. Maybe you should be posting on a white supremist board, or an American Nazi Party board, or some other board that doesn't tolorate dissenting opinions. As long as you post here people will post things you don't like, and rather than ask Skuzzy to ban all of them it might be best if you left instead.
Whatever, just sayin...personally I like your arguments (agree or not) but I have a tough time with the advocation of censorship you endorse so often.
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Oh nonono. That's ok. I was just curious. I'm happy to be an independent moderate without a party platform that includes stuff I don't agree with along with the stuff I do. Carry on.
Yep ... just curious. Didn't know. Now I do.
Thanks.
:)
Originally posted by miko2d
I am as libertarian as they come. Very strong government that does nothing but protects life, property and enforces contracts.
No economic involvement, no social tinkering, no religion, no education, nothing. Basically, military and judicial and the rest through voluntary human interaction, private enterprise and competition. Whatever people believe should be done by the government, they can do in their towns and states, not through federal or UN or world government.
I've posted quite a thread here on rights, liberty and the rule of law, if you care to search and get the idea of the whole libertarian position in one place.
miko
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Puke: Miko,
Our military is the best in the world, but you give it way too much credit if you think it can fight a war AND police every citizen.
Except that I've heard the officer explain on TV that they are not preventing any citisen from looting and do not intend to do so.
As for the statue, the military were only bystanders until some Iraqi citizens asked for help in toppling it.
Again, I saw it myself on TV - US or brits pulled the statue with an armored vehicle and no iraqi within few dozen yards. I certainly do not claim that our troops poled down every single statue.
Miko, you continuously make every effort you can to put the name of the USA in a bad light. It really shows just what you are.
Right, I am a concerned american.
Why would I be worried about cleaning somebody else's house rather than fixing problems in my own? I do not care much how corrupt russian or iraqi or french governments are. Those governments are problems of those peoples.
I am an american. The Founding Fathers warned americans to watch federal government for encroachment on rights of americans.
I don't give a damn what the foreigners may think about US from my posts. It's not like they are going to do anything about it - no state secrets disclosed here. I don't see why you are so concerned about their opinion.
miko
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Since the left is running out of things to complain about...here is one they can say "See? We just turned their world upside down!"
Rip, a least those that are of the anti-war opinion had the courage to actually chose a side. I recall that prior to the war you were very much of the, gee I don't know what to think side. And now you are sitting there suggesting that you actually chose a position.
As in football, as in life eh? Didn't have the fortitude to pick a stupid team to win the superbowl. Didn't have the fortitude to chose a stance on the war. But you'll sure as hell try to act like you were the "winning" side all along.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Martlet, you're a sharp guy who raises great points in most debates. However, when you ask that Sandman be banned for being "too liberal," or advocate a deportation system that recommends people who disagree with you be deported, you come across as being intolorant.
Maybe this isn't the "right" bulletin board for you. Maybe you should be posting on a white supremist board, or an American Nazi Party board, or some other board that doesn't tolorate dissenting opinions. As long as you post here people will post things you don't like, and rather than ask Skuzzy to ban all of them it might be best if you left instead.
Whatever, just sayin...personally I like your arguments (agree or not) but I have a tough time with the advocation of censorship you endorse so often.
Could you point me to a few of those boards? I could get some recruiting done, and move them over here to combat the recent influx of Baroda's cronies.
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Pakistani "anti-war" (anti-America) protesters. All we are saaaaaying .... is give peace a chaaaaaance.
(http://www.rationalmind.net/images/iraq/1.jpg)
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anti war doesnt mean anti american...
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Sometimes it does though, doesn't it? ;)
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i suppose so...
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Miko!
only an 18 month old kid? What happened to the daughters you were gettin ready to send to the Air Force Academy? The ones you trained to handle rifles before you taught 'em about sex...??
Did they form a union?? Start thinking for themselves? Be careful Miko.. nothin worse fer a insular controlling dominating daddy with messed up political platforms than a disillousined daughter with a rifle.
Oh, and please post some more of that libertarian drivel.. I have sooooo much fun debunking it. ;)
Watch out if you have to drive today...
You too, now. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Pakistani "anti-war" (anti-America) protesters. All we are saaaaaying .... is give peace a chaaaaaance.
(http://www.rationalmind.net/images/iraq/1.jpg)
that's ok, there are some equally well-armed Iraqi kids who'd be happy to take them on :)
(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030409/i/1049897196.3758162012.jpg)
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honestly i think those kids are likely to kilkl each other before anyone else...that truly is worse than nazi germany...those kids are doing it under there own free will and that just makes me SICK
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Well, there ya go, then. I figure a good guage of where a protester is coming from can be arrived at in this way:
1: If they predominantly use "America" this and "America" that then they're really anti-America and not so much anti-war.
2: If they predominantly use "Bush" this and "The administration" that then they are anti-Republican/anti-administration and not really anti-war. Of course, this tends to be the back-step to the afore mentioned "anti-America" slogan user if the protester in not an American citizen yet comes to the realization that they have a rather strong reliance on the U.S. as well as regular dealings with Americans and need to modify their agenda. (ref: See: "Blitz")[/size]
3: If they use "Stop tyranny" or "Save the Iraqi people" then they are confused or just plain stupid.
It saves alot of wasted time and effort when looked at that way. ;)
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I did notice he was carrying an M-16 A1.
Perhaps he's the guy that shot up Baroda's ambassador.
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Wow, isn't Palistine the NRA promised land?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Pakistani "anti-war" (anti-America) protesters. All we are saaaaaying .... is give peace a chaaaaaance.
(http://www.rationalmind.net/images/iraq/1.jpg)
We are not allowed to own this kind of weapons in New York. :(
Miko! only an 18 month old kid? What happened to the daughters...
What, is it uncommon for people to worry about their future children before actually having them? Real smart on your part. :rolleyes:
Oh, and please post some more of that libertarian drivel.. I have sooooo much fun debunking it.
Why would I bother for people such as you who are full of prejudice and cannot hold a civil conversation even on abstract topics? I've posted information for people who may be unaware of it. I've got a few personal indications of interest. I referred those people to better sources - books, organisations, etc.
If you really care so much to argue libertarian worldview, you would not have any trouble picking up a book or an web site, reposting an excrept and arguing it all you want - without waiting for me. Or do you hope to change my views by just claiming that I do not believe myself in what I am saying?
But of course you are just a lazy windbag.
miko
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miko... I consider myself to be pretty libertarian. I can't think of a better use for our military than what we did in iraq.. sure seems like a perfect job for em. Not only do I not want my government to screw with me.... I don't want outsiders to... otherwise.... why even have a military?
Iraq's saddam regime seemed like a perfect place to enforce the... "don't screw with us" policy... very libertarian in my opinion. especially if we help them install a democratic government that is friendly and prosperous.
lazs
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I might also add, since this is ostensibly about "pre-emptive"....
Does anyone feel that the Israeli "pre-emptive" strike against the sadmans nuclear power plant (months before it could produce weapons grade material) was a bad thing?
miko... do you feel the stike in any way viollated libertarian principals?
lazs
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Lazs,
According to libertarian principles the main responcibility of the government is protecting the lives, property and rights of citizens.
Since the best defence is often a good offence, there is nothing in libertarian worldview - at least as far as I am concerned - that condemns any kind of military action in general.
When we discuss the particular cases, we may argue whether some action was justified and civilly disagree about it.
I believe that Israelis in 1981 had very good reasons to be gravely concerned about the iraqi nuclear weapons program and averting the perceived danger at the cost of a destroyed building and at most few lives lost was justified in my view.
I am not at all convinced that Iraq was a danger to US or to the democratic world. I believe that our security and long-term interests suffered rather than gained from that particular war.
In general, I would certainly expect our government to take all necessary measures - military and other kinds - to neutralise the danger it perceives whether I believe in it or not.
miko
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The problem with maintaining a fairly open society in the face of a terrorist threat, is that it requires us to take a proactive (or preemptive) stance in counteracting those prepared to strike at us.
These groups are not deterrable by threat of retaliation, since they will happily accept 100% losses in return for inflicting enormous damage on their target. And taking a proactive stance requires us to consider how broadly to define legitimate targets: those currently conspiring to hit America- sure; those who hate America and training for some assault but you can't prove who the target is - maybe?; those who 'merely' teach hatred for America, thus replenishing the pool of future 'martyrs' -??; those who merely disagree with one policy of America or another - surely not.
Reaching legitimate targets would also require the active and ongoing cooperation of the countries where the groups are organizing.
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Evidently, Blitz you don't have a concept ot what a premptive strike is, Furhter you must remember, US and coalition forces have been "locked on" in the no Fly zone signed in the cease fire agreement by Iraq an the coalition forces of that alliance in 1991. Iraq immediately began aprogram of utilizing there SAM's to lock on coalition aircraft. Those same aircraft were actually authorized to take out those sites further if you check some of your international lwa coalition forces were authorized via those actions to reinitiate further actions against Iraq at that time instead of waiting twelve years and 17 resoultions later. so therfore there was no premptive strike.
Further more it is a policy of American forces not to fire back unless fired upon. If I were in that situation I would fire back to defend myself and my soldiers and let what happens after that so be it. With the modern technology of todays weapon systems a "lock on" is as good as being shot at, because usually a "lock on" indicates weaponry to be fired. Just ask the two pilots of the SU's that fired on the two Tomcats over Libya what happens when they missed on said Tomcats.
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I consider myself to be pretty libertarian.
Oppps almost misread it...thought it was "Librarian"...never mind.
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Pakistani "anti-war" (anti-America) protesters. All we are saaaaaying .... is give peace a chaaaaaance.
(http://www.rationalmind.net/images/iraq/1.jpg)
Arlo, are you a communist ?
Regards Blitz
This war is wrong, unjust, unnessasary and cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and wounded tenthousands innocents. The government of one country decided who's to live and who's to die for all the countries of this planet. Bush and the hawks in his government are dangerous for the civilised world. Keep an eye on them!
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses.
So true .
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Originally posted by blitch the fantasy role-player lost in a world alien to him:
Arlo, are you a communist ?
You must have missed it. And it was in this very thread no less.
Arlo illuminated the world with the following revelation:
Oh nonono. That's ok. I was just curious. I'm happy to be an independent moderate without a party platform that includes stuff I don't agree with along with the stuff I do. Carry on.
Are you an idiot? (Rhetorical) ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
You must have missed it. And it was in this very thread no less.
Are you an idiot? (Rhetorical) ;)
Take it, you are a hidden communist, then :D
Regards Blitz
Blitz
This war is wrong, unjust, unnessasary and cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and wounded tenthousands innocents. The government of one country decided who's to live and who's to die for all the countries of this planet. Bush and the hawks in his government are dangerous for the civilised world. Keep an eye on them!
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses.
So true .
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Originally posted by miko2d
What, is it uncommon for people to worry about their future children before actually having them? Real smart on your part. :rolleyes:
Why would I bother for people such as you who are full of prejudice and cannot hold a civil conversation even on abstract topics? I've posted information for people who may be unaware of it. I've got a few personal indications of interest. I referred those people to better sources - books, organisations, etc.
If you really care so much to argue libertarian worldview, you would not have any trouble picking up a book or an web site, reposting an excrept and arguing it all you want - without waiting for me. Or do you hope to change my views by just claiming that I do not believe myself in what I am saying?
But of course you are just a lazy windbag.
miko
I'm worse than a lazy windabag miko.. I'm hunting your lies and decietful misrepresentation of facts to further your libertarian agenda. I can be an exceptionally energetic windbag when I see an enemy of my nation chipping away at it's institutions.
originally posted by miko, tread on rape in the air force
Nice 20/20 about our glorious airforce
We should re-broadcast it on Iraq. That will make irakis think twice before trying to resist...
P.S. What really surprised me was not that scores if not hundreds of women cadetes got raped over the years and everyone knew about that and did nothing, but how come nobody got killed?
We had quite a lot of abuse in the soviet army - nothing like rape, of course - and from time to time somebody would get his brains ventilated on a shooting range or a guard duty.
I am not even sure what kind of military I dislike more - the rapists and their friends who kept quiet or those who allowed themselves to be raped without consequences because of carreer considerations?
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I am pissed off about it because right there my wife asked me: "Do you still want to send our daughters to serve in the army?" On which I replied "Well, we can raise them in a way that they cannot be taken advantage of no matter what is done to others..."
16.5 year jump on current events? My; arn't WE looking well into the future for our childrens education.. sure sounded to me like you had immediate concerns about your daughters welfare in the higher education programs being currently handled by the government.
Miko, you constantly post up any dirt you can on our government... anything to undermine it's credibility, anything to cast aspersions on it's aims.. One could easily come to the conclusion you just don't like the american government.
And, being an enemy of my government makes you my favorite pissing pole.
Try again.
in traffic.
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Blitch arrives at a conclusion:
Take it, you are a hidden communist, then :D
:rolleyes: