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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Kanth on April 10, 2003, 01:35:43 PM
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Sean Penn: Convicted of drink-driving and punching a photographer who tracked him and his then-wife, Madonna. He was jailed in 1987 for assault after attacking a film extra
Penn, 42, told police he had a loaded 9 mm Glock handgun inside his car in addition to an unloaded .38-caliber Smith & Wesson revolver in the trunk.
It was legal for Penn to have the guns in his car because he has a state concealed weapons permit, Kusmiss said.
http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=11550
I wonder, wouldn't it be a good idea to hold off on giving concealed weapons permits to people who have been convicted of violent crimes?
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Are you buddies with the Sheriff?
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Theres a blanket federal prohibition against possession of firearms by convicted felons, at least until the get their civil rights restored; also recently added provision against possession by someone convicted of domestic abuse. DWI and non-domestic, non-felonious assault convictions wouldnt be disqualifiers under the federal law at least; dunno about individual state's laws.
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Penn definately would require a serious individual consideration even WITHOUT any felony convictions. With em I would have to say "No way - Handgun for you!"
HaHa Sharkmeat MayBe~
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Our State laws are very explicit:
You cannot have a Carry and Conceal Permit if:
~You have been convicted of a felony
~You have been convicted of 4th deg. assault or better.
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Why is Ripsnort on my ignore list????
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Hey man they gave Sean the weapon because they knew he was a man who was devoted to peace. They knew he would just put flowers in the barrel and keep it unloaded, not threaten cops with it or jam it in his girlfriend's mouth during an argument.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Why is Ripsnort on my ignore list????
Because I loved you and left you?:confused: :cool:
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Originally posted by Airhead
Why is Ripsnort on my ignore list????
DOH, someone clicked Animal's siggy.
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hehe, I was wondering who that link would zap :)
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Our State laws are very explicit:
You cannot have a Carry and Conceal Permit if:
~You have been convicted of a felony
~You have been convicted of 4th deg. assault or better.
Hey Rip, I think they added domestic violence as a disqualifier in Wash State.
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Its not very difficult to get a CWP in PA - you need to be 21 y/o and have a clean record.
If youve ever been institutionalized, on psychological medication, or have been convicted of anything more than a traffic ticket however, no carry permit for you.
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It sounds like they draw the line at felony which is too high a marker imo, and too general a catagory.
I'd like to see all violent criminals restricted from concealed weapons permits. Including people convicted of assault (no matter what they used at the time (whether it be fists, ball bat, frying pan, whatever)
I didn't realize people like Penn could get a permit like that with his background of violent behavior.
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I have a Concealed Weapons Permit for Pennsylvania. I can tell you that at least in this state it is not possible to have one issued if you have been convicted of a felony, have a record of mental instability or are not someone of 'good character'.
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I thought in California consealed weapons permits were issued by municipalities. No doubt the State can issue them also, but there was a controversery in the City of Isleton over the police chief issuing consealed weapons permits to whoever asked for one.
Maybe Sean Penn was issued one after he returned from Baghdad.
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he should be charged with negligence in securing his fiirearms.
Im betting they were not secure in his car. "under his seat"..
Pisses me off..that guiy is a jerkoff,,hope he goes to jail soon..
I do like his Spiccoly in Fast times but after that movie,,,he sucks
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How Sean Penn got gun permit
San Francisco Chronicle
Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross Wednesday, April 30, 2003
So why was actor Sean Penn toting a loaded 9mm Glock handgun and unloaded .38-caliber Smith & Wesson in the trunk of a car that wound up being stolen?
Fear that an ex-employee of Penn's was stalking him, according to confidential documents he submitted to the Ross Police Department as part of his application for a concealed-weapons permit back in 2001.
The documents, released to us under a state Public Records Act request, also show that Penn underwent an extensive background check and firearms training before being issued the permit early last year.
The records show that the actor had routinely received threats over the years as a result of his "high-profile public lifestyle."
He even had a private security firm review all the crank calls and letters and give him "threat assessments."
Most were nothing, but one former employee was rated as being "in the worst category of pursuers," according to a report submitted by Penn's security outfit to Ross police.
The man -- who according to the threat assessors was trained in martial arts and had prior arrests for possessing a concealed weapon -- repeatedly tried contacting Penn after he was fired.
Penn admitted to using marijuana 20 years ago and had a couple of arrests for assault and driving recklessly, factors that could have disqualified him for a permit for carrying a concealed weapon. In this case, however, Penn got FBI and state Department of Justice clearance and completed firearms training early last year.
Then, earlier this month, someone stole Penn's car with the guns inside while Penn was at a Berkeley restaurant. The car was recovered -- but the guns are still out there.
By the way, not everyone has to jump through the hoops the way Penn did in Marin to carry concealed heat. It all depends on where you live.
For example, only 44 permits were issued in Marin in 2000, the most recent year for which records are available, according to the state attorney general's office. In San Francisco, there were just eight -- the fewest in the state.
San Francisco's liberal Sheriff Michael Hennessey simply refuses to grant permits. And acting Police Chief Alex studmuffinan says, "I just don't give them unless there is an articulable need."
If you really want a gun, head on down to wide-open Kern County, where officials issued an eye-popping 3,566 concealed-weapons permits in 2000.
Shasta County at the north end of the state wasn't far behind, with 2,972. Authorities there tell us they pretty much issue a permit to any "law-abiding citizen" who's been in the county for a year, passes a basic background check and takes a gun safety course.
But Alameda County Sheriff Charlie Plummer, whose office currently has 137 concealed-weapons permits on file -- down from 150 in 2000 -- says simply being "a law-abiding citizen" doesn't cut it in his county.
"I have some good friends who are law-abiding, but they also have hair- trigger tempers," Plummer said.
As a result, Plummer said he has some rules for issuing permits -- like showing a "real need."
Most notable of those with a "real need" is state senator and gun control advocate Don Perata, who has had one for years because of reported threats against him.
Eight judges, several attorneys, businessmen in high-crime areas and a diamond dealer also made the grade.
One who didn't was Mayor Jerry Brown's longtime aide, Jacques Barzaghi.
Plummer called that permit "political," forcing Barzaghi to get one from the Oakland Police Department instead.
One other thing. Plummer said he requires every applicant to see "a psychiatrist of my choosing -- and they pay for it."
CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS IN CALIFORNIA
Number of permits issued by police and sheriff agencies among selected counties in 2000
Kern 3,566
Shasta 2,972
Fresno 2,178
San Bernardino 2,084
Los Angeles 874
San Joaquin 491
Contra Costa 208
San Mateo 204
Alameda 150
Santa Clara 132
Sonoma 131
Solano 77
Marin 44
San Francisco 8
Source: California Attorney General's Office
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As a result, Plummer said he has some rules for issuing permits -- like showing a "real need."
Most notable of those with a "real need" is state senator and gun control advocate Don Perata, who has had one for years because of reported threats against him.
But wait... guns don't really offer any additional security do they? LOL!
MiniD
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Yeager: Penn definately would require a serious individual consideration even WITHOUT any felony convictions. With em I would have to say "No way - Handgun for you!"
Have you ever participated in a brawl where someone could have chosen to press charges if you were worth suing?
High school? College days? Kindergarten? :)
I split a few lips in my wild days. Who didn't?
miko
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Yah Mini-D ! Kinda a double standard isn't it? ;)
Thats why I like "Right to Carry" states. Basically, if you have the clean criminal history, no drug/alcohol abuse, and no psychiatric history, the state MUST issue you a permit on request after taking the required training classes.
None of that crap like in California where if the local official (usually a Judge or a Sheriff) is against owning a gun, they can deny you for no reason at all.
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http://www.wpri.org/WIInterest/Vol11No2/Hein11.2.pdf
excerpt:
"In the popular and best-selling book, More Guns, Less Crime, John Lott, Jr., a senior research scholar in the School of Law at Yale University, presents a thorough and interesting study on the effects of concealed carry weapons laws and crime rates. Lott compiled crime data from 1977-1994 at state and county levels, developing his main hypothesis that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will deter violent crime. In his analysis he found that, in states that adopted shall-issue laws, violent crime was reduced by 4.4%, murder was reduced by 10%, rape was reduced by 3%, and aggravated assault decreased by 5.7% with an increase in property crime of 0.6%."
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Originally posted by Mini D
But wait... guns don't really offer any additional security do they? LOL!
MiniD
They do when the cops say you can have one. If you get one on your own, then they don't.
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****ing Perata. I'd like to see him drawn and quartered.
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And Plummer is a weasel too.
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Originally posted by funkedup
****ing Perata. I'd like to see him drawn and quartered.
Threats from gun-nuts must have been the justification that allowed him to get a permit :)