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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CMC Airboss on April 10, 2003, 01:58:56 PM
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There is suspicion that it also contains highly radioactive materials. Testing is underway.
" BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. Marines may have found weapons-grade plutonium in a massive underground facility discovered beneath Iraq's Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex, an embedded reporter told Fox News Thursday."
"The Marine radiation detectors go "off the charts" a few hundred meters outside the nuclear compound, where locals say "missile water" is stored in enormous caverns, reported Prine, who is embedded with the U.S. 1st Marine Division."
Apparently this is a site previously visited by UN weapons inspectors.
"They went through that site multiple times, but did they go underground? I never heard anything about that," physicist David Albright, a former IAEA Action Team inspector in Iraq from 1992 to 1997, told the Tribune-Review."
My question is: Didn't the UN folks carry geiger counters?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html
MiG
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BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. Marines may have found weapons-grade plutonium in a massive underground facility discovered beneath Iraq's Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex, an embedded reporter told Fox News Thursday.
Coalition forces are investigating a stash of radioactive material found at the site south of Baghdad, the reporter, Carl Prine of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, told Fox News.
The material was discovered at the complex, which is operated by the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission and is located south of Baghdad's suburbs.
While officials aren't prepared to call the discovery a "smoking gun," two preliminary tests conducted on the material have indicated that it may be weapons-grade plutonium.
The discovery of the underground labyrinth of labs and warehouses was unexpected, Fox News has confirmed, and forces in the area are testing a variety of things to best determine the significance of the find.
So far, Marine nuclear and intelligence experts have found 14 buildings that have high levels of radiation, Prine reported Thursday.
His report noted that some of the tests have found nuclear residue too deadly for human contact.
The Marine radiation detectors go "off the charts" a few hundred meters outside the nuclear compound, where locals say "missile water" is stored in enormous caverns, reported Prine, who is embedded with the U.S. 1st Marine Division.
"It's amazing," Chief Warrant Officer Darrin Flick, the battalion's nuclear, biological and chemical warfare specialist told the newspaper. "I went to the off-site storage buildings, and the rad detector went off the charts. Then I opened the steel door, and there were all these drums, many, many drums, of highly radioactive material."
This underground discovery could still test to be perfectly legitimate and offer no proof of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. The CIA encouraged international inspectors in the fall of 2002 to probe Al Tuwaitha for weapons of mass destruction, and the inspectors came away empty-handed.
"They went through that site multiple times, but did they go underground? I never heard anything about that," physicist David Albright, a former IAEA Action Team inspector in Iraq from 1992 to 1997, told the Tribune-Review.
"The Marines should be particularly careful because of those high readings," he told the paper. "Three hours at levels like that and people begin to vomit. That leads me to wonder, if the readings are accurate, whether radioactive material was deliberately left there to expose people to dangerous levels.
"You couldn't do scientific work in levels like that. You would die."
Capt. John Seegar, a combat engineer commander from Houston, is currently running the operation in Al Tuwaitha. "I've never seen anything like it, ever," he told the Tribune-Review. "How did the world miss all of this? Why couldn't they see what was happening here?"
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wish you guys would wait till they made an official announcement. how many times have we found chemical weopons only to later turn out to be overzealous reporting.
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Only way to have this is.
1. Make your own with a breeder reactor (how do you hide one of them)
2. Buy it from someone and have it imported (any guess who may have sold them weapons grade plutonium?)
If this is true and they bought it... well it changes everything and I mean everything!!
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hmm ive heard that weapons grade plutonium was all he needed for a working nuke, wonder how close he got?
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We may have just found a rolling Bio- lab. Radar truck had false panels in it. More info OTW
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If it turns out to be true, Im glad we went in when we did and the only question is "Wonder how close he got."
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Wouldn't it be too bad if the naysayers be forced to "eat plutonium" :)
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Ack
:D
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you people are so fast to condem, saddam was just making glow in the dark toys for children, now the kids will have no toys , how cruel you americans are.
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dude weapons grade plutonium is super super hard to make stuff. you dont need it to make a bomb. also you dont need it to be highly highly radioactive. not saying this is not a bomb site im just saying if he had plutonium he would have no need for a bomb. this stuff is insanely toxic for instance i had a instructor in the navy claim one liter of plutonium would make lake erie fataly poisonous for an extended period of time as in hundreds of years. then followed with the news that 18 lbs at least were missing or unaccounted for in the u.s. alone.
scary ****e
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2 words...
DIRTY BOMB
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Hmmm... has anyone ever actually used one?
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Some people just want desperately for WMD to be found.
They WANT the iraquis to have them.
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it gives them hardons everytime a rumor pops up about an iraqi has got his big ole hands all over a hot WMD.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hmmm... has anyone ever actually used one?
Not yet. Therefore we should stop all this nonsense and wait for one to go off in NYC or LA so we'll have a good excuse to hunt down those responsible.
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Originally posted by Animal
Some people just want desperately for WMD to be found.
They WANT the iraquis to have them.
And some people just want them not too... so they can mourn the loss of good ole Saddam publicly.
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LOL!!!!!!
Oh Saddam! where hast thou gone?!
Thy thick moustache, thine mild mannered voice...
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Originally posted by Animal
Some people just want desperately for WMD to be found.
They WANT the iraquis to have them.
Well DUH it would further legitimize the war. Why would somebody NOT want them to be found? What if they exist and we don't find them? How is that a good thing? Why is it a bad thing to hope for the discovery of something that legitimizes an action we have already taken?
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Originally posted by funkedup
Well DUH it would further legitimize the war. Why would somebody NOT want them to be found? What if they exist and we don't find them? How is that a good thing? Why is it a bad thing to hope for the discovery of something that legitimizes an action we have already taken?
It would not make much difference at this point, other than for "HA! I told you so!".
Just plant one of the darned things like it was probably the plan B and move on to a country that needs real help.
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A lab isn't a weapon.
Would they have produced a weapon and tried to use it? Most highly possible, but not absolutely.
After all, the very regime has fallen and we still haven't seen any use of "weapons of mass destruction" against anyone. The only instance was the big fiasco where everyone got excited and started cursing Iraq when they HEARD that some US soldiers were donning chemical-protectove gears. Woops, sorry, false alarm.
Now, you guys are trying to justify the invasion against Iraq with the discovery of a lab which might have produced a 'weapon of mass destruction' which 'might' have been used against some country or countries.
What's that spell?
Retribution against a crime that hasn't been committed yet.
The 'aggressive agenda to fight against terrorism' your country is pushing, is something that shakes the very fundament of justice which the democratic ideology has held on to for a very long time.
Your government carries the axe, and dons the executioner's hood. Absolute power to destroy which no other single country possesses in the world, a power that can bring down a country to its knees in three weeks.
Think carefully why the democratic system is so keen on dividing power - no one person or institution has the right to both judge and prosecute by oneself. Now, push the scale up to the world level, and we see a single country which wants to act as a advisor, legislator, policeman, judge, and executioner.
You people now support the code that justifies that US can act with impunity to attack a country which it thinks it might be dangerous. Absolute power meets absolute justification.
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So which country does the US think it might be dangerous, next? Who is to stop your government when it thinks wrong? From playing God with the lives of other people of other countries?
I pray you people change course from the way of thinking that so obsessively grasped Americans since 9.11. Right now, I'm sorry to say it is terrifying to watch so many people craving for vengeance so bloodthirstily, like mad dogs.
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oh oh , aminal knows about the boosh/halburton/CIA's plot to plant WMD to justify stealing all the iraq oil.
Kweassa, if your in syria get out now , the imperial mercenari thugs of the boosh/halburton oil cartel are going there next.
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many many americans agree with you kweassa.
monkey boys days in office are numbered whatever the warhawks say.
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Yep Vader your right his days in office are numbered!
whats left in this tour and then only 4 years left and he's out, gone, amscrayed, see ya bye.
Dems. have nothing in the wings and they know it, they are going to sit this one out and try again in 4
IMHO
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A lab isn't a weapon.
Would they have produced a weapon and tried to use it? Most highly possible, but not absolutely.
After all, the very regime has fallen and we still haven't seen any use of "weapons of mass destruction" against anyone. The only instance was the big fiasco where everyone got excited and started cursing Iraq when they HEARD that some US soldiers were donning chemical-protectove gears. Woops, sorry, false alarm.
Now, you guys are trying to justify the invasion against Iraq with the discovery of a lab which might have produced a 'weapon of mass destruction' which 'might' have been used against some country or countries.
What's that spell?
Retribution against a crime that hasn't been committed yet.
The 'aggressive agenda to fight against terrorism' your country is pushing, is something that shakes the very fundament of justice which the democratic ideology has held on to for a very long time.
Your government carries the axe, and dons the executioner's hood. Absolute power to destroy which no other single country possesses in the world, a power that can bring down a country to its knees in three weeks.
Think carefully why the democratic system is so keen on dividing power - no one person or institution has the right to both judge and prosecute by oneself. Now, push the scale up to the world level, and we see a single country which wants to act as a advisor, legislator, policeman, judge, and executioner.
You people now support the code that justifies that US can act with impunity to attack a country which it thinks it might be dangerous. Absolute power meets absolute justification.
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So which country does the US think it might be dangerous, next? Who is to stop your government when it thinks wrong? From playing God with the lives of other people of other countries?
I pray you people change course from the way of thinking that so obsessively grasped Americans since 9.11. Right now, I'm sorry to say it is terrifying to watch so many people craving for vengeance so bloodthirstily, like mad dogs.
kweassa,
~S~! Sir.
Amazing how when some think that having defensive chem suits are somehow a reasoning of existence of WMDs. Never mind that the chem suits are not weapons at all but defensive protection against chem/bio weapons.
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Don't you have a beach that the Navy uses for target practice to stand on with a protest sign in hand or something? :D
Originally posted by Animal
It would not make much difference at this point, other than for "HA! I told you so!".
Just plant one of the darned things like it was probably the plan B and move on to a country that needs real help.
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Lord dumb vader quote: monkey boys days in office are numbered whatever the warhawks say.
You're right, he will serve two terms and step down.
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The beauty of weapons grade plutonium is that nowadays, scientists can tell where (and where it didn't) come from. Guess what France, Russia, and Germany... your illegal regimes are close to coming to an end as well!
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uh oh...who would expect plutonium under a nuclear powerplant... i always knew there was something fishy about that place...those protesters probably ran off when they got a geiger counter there and realised that there kids could be mutant freaks like this one
(http://hcmagazine.com/gui/chimpy_sam.gif)
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what nuclear powerplant, and what protesters??
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Bodhi if you even think that attacking any of those countries is anything like going to Iraq you must be dumber than dumb.
The coalition took iraq in the way they did only because the army had no real will to fight.
Oh, and most of the countries you mentioned there have nukes and means to deliver them.. You must be real delusional to even think anything in that direction.. Lol.
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The beauty of weapons grade plutonium is that nowadays, scientists can tell where (and where it didn't) come from. Guess what France, Russia, and Germany... your illegal regimes are close to coming to an end as well!
This is a ludicrous statement on two distinct levels.
Firstly, None of those countries would sell weapons grade plutonium to anyone. You're deluding yourself if you think they would.
Secondly, the 'illegal regimes' part. I mean, who do you think you are to brand democratically elected, capitalistic, free countries as 'illegal'? I'm sorry, but that's just plain idiotic and does not sit well with reality.
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Originally posted by Animal
It would not make much difference at this point, other than for "HA! I told you so!".
Just plant one of the darned things like it was probably the plan B and move on to a country that needs real help.
like PR :)
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Yes, please come here and help us clean our corrupt puppet government.
Oh, wait...
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A lab isn't a weapon.
Would they have produced a weapon and tried to use it? Most highly possible, but not absolutely.
After all, the very regime has fallen and we still haven't seen any use of "weapons of mass destruction" against anyone. The only instance was the big fiasco where everyone got excited and started cursing Iraq when they HEARD that some US soldiers were donning chemical-protectove gears. Woops, sorry, false alarm.
Now, you guys are trying to justify the invasion against Iraq with the discovery of a lab which might have produced a 'weapon of mass destruction' which 'might' have been used against some country or countries.
What's that spell?
Retribution against a crime that hasn't been committed yet.
The 'aggressive agenda to fight against terrorism' your country is pushing, is something that shakes the very fundament of justice which the democratic ideology has held on to for a very long time.
Your government carries the axe, and dons the executioner's hood. Absolute power to destroy which no other single country possesses in the world, a power that can bring down a country to its knees in three weeks.
Think carefully why the democratic system is so keen on dividing power - no one person or institution has the right to both judge and prosecute by oneself. Now, push the scale up to the world level, and we see a single country which wants to act as a advisor, legislator, policeman, judge, and executioner.
You people now support the code that justifies that US can act with impunity to attack a country which it thinks it might be dangerous. Absolute power meets absolute justification.
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So which country does the US think it might be dangerous, next? Who is to stop your government when it thinks wrong? From playing God with the lives of other people of other countries?
I pray you people change course from the way of thinking that so obsessively grasped Americans since 9.11. Right now, I'm sorry to say it is terrifying to watch so many people craving for vengeance so bloodthirstily, like mad dogs.
Well said.
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The very existence of that lab is a criminal act in itself.
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Siaf__SF, and Dowding,
Does that hook hurt real bad? Sheesh, that bait just plain stunk like.... well, Dowdings underwear.
Hold on, I'll get you some pliers. :D
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Bodhi if that was baiting, it only shows how low my perception of you folks has sunk with this whole ordeal. I could actually believe you could have been serious while saying that.
And to Kweassa: We don't need to worry, if the US continues the war for a few months, let alone years, GWB will drive the whole economy down the toilet with huge budget deficit, high oil prices and the stock market going down the tubes.
GWB's little crusades will crush even the US economy if he's stupid enough to continue. It was difficult to get international support for even this offensive, let alone the next (theoretical) one.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Bodhi if that was baiting, it only shows how low my perception of you folks has sunk with this whole ordeal. I could actually believe you could have been serious while saying that.
And to Kweassa: We don't need to worry, if the US continues the war for a few months, let alone years, GWB will drive the whole economy down the toilet with huge budget deficit, high oil prices and the stock market going down the tubes.
GWB's little crusades will crush even the US economy if he's stupid enough to continue. It was difficult to get international support for even this offensive, let alone the next (theoretical) one.
LOL
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IAEA: "Oh THAT location. We KNEW it was there all along. But now, the USMC troops who found the location have broken our special secret seal, so now this all becomes the fault of the US...somehow"
Can you believe these guys? They sure as he** didnt tell anyone before the war that the Iraqis had a supply of lethal enriched uranium protected by a mighty IAEA-seal.
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Can you believe these guys? They sure as he** didnt tell anyone before the war that the Iraqis had a supply of lethal enriched uranium protected by a mighty IAEA-seal.
The IAEA say there is no enriched uranium at the site, just low grade stuff that would have to be enriched before it was suitable for use as a weapon.
All that's released so far are the results of "preliminary tests"
According to the Fox report:
"The Marine radiation detectors go "off the charts" a few hundred meters outside the nuclear compound, where locals say "missile water" is stored in enormous caverns, reported Prine, who is embedded with the U.S. 1st Marine Division.
"It's amazing," Chief Warrant Officer Darrin Flick, the battalion's nuclear, biological and chemical warfare specialist told the newspaper. "I went to the off-site storage buildings, and the rad detector went off the charts. Then I opened the steel door, and there were all these drums, many, many drums, of highly radioactive material."
Now it's possible the IAEA could have inspected a site repeatedly, and failed to note readings that "went off the charts" several hundred metres away, but I doubt it.
I'd certainly wait for some confirmation before accusing them of lying.
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Kwessea, I totally agree with you.
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Nash...the material is lethal. Some of it is radioactive enough to kill you...and I dont mean by giving you cancer, Im talking about radioactive poisoning...
a dirty bomb with that material would be unbelievably destructive.
Now the IAEA says they have been keeping the material there...under a UN seal so no one will steal it...are they insane?
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A lab isn't a weapon.
No..it is used to MAKE weapons.
Would they have produced a weapon and tried to use it? Most highly possible, but not absolutely.
They have used chemical weapons...do we wait until they USE nukes or more chemical weapons before acting? Why are they producing them?
After all, the very regime has fallen and we still haven't seen any use of "weapons of mass destruction" against anyone. The only instance was the big fiasco where everyone got excited and started cursing Iraq when they HEARD that some US soldiers were donning chemical-protectove gears. Woops, sorry, false alarm.
So?
Now, you guys are trying to justify the invasion against Iraq with the discovery of a lab which might have produced a 'weapon of mass destruction' which 'might' have been used against some country or countries.
What's that spell?
Retribution against a crime that hasn't been committed yet.
Again...do we have to wait until they use them?
The 'aggressive agenda to fight against terrorism' your country is pushing, is something that shakes the very fundament of justice which the democratic ideology has held on to for a very long time.
Thank goodness someone has an agressive agenda against terrorism. It is the only way to protect democracy.
Your government carries the axe, and dons the executioner's hood. Absolute power to destroy which no other single country possesses in the world, a power that can bring down a country to its knees in three weeks.
Back when the USSR was threatening the entire world everyone was pretty happy that the US was able to counter that threat. The end result is that the US has a very powerful military with massive numbers of nuclear (and other) WMDs.
Think carefully why the democratic system is so keen on dividing power - no one person or institution has the right to both judge and prosecute by oneself. Now, push the scale up to the world level, and we see a single country which wants to act as a advisor, legislator, policeman, judge, and executioner.
The problem is that the Mid-East has NO democracy as a general rule. Those countries are run by Royal Families or dictators. The people in these countries have never had a democracy. Before you point a finger at the US point one in their direction.
You say "no one person or institution has the right"...just exactly what text book did you pull that one from? Poli Sci 101? Wonderful theory...but seriously lacking in any real form. Where do these rights (or lack thereof) come from? The UN?
You people now support the code that justifies that US can act with impunity to attack a country which it thinks it might be dangerous. Absolute power meets absolute justification.
We fought a war in 1991 against them. They WERE dangerous. And absolute power means absolute power...not absolute justification. Justification to whom?
So which country does the US think it might be dangerous, next? Who is to stop your government when it thinks wrong? From playing God with the lives of other people of other countries?
North Korea, Syria, Iran etc etc.
I pray you people change course from the way of thinking that so obsessively grasped Americans since 9.11. Right now, I'm sorry to say it is terrifying to watch so many people craving for vengeance so bloodthirstily, like mad dogs.
Every single time I get on an airplane I wonder if some terrorist is going to kill me for no reason other than I am an infidel. I'm not bloodthirsty...I just want to be safe. I think the US is doing a great job in ensuring I am.
...And I am NOT an American...merely a beneficiary of their action.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A lab isn't a weapon.
Would they have produced a weapon and tried to use it? Most highly possible, but not absolutely.
After all, the very regime has fallen and we still haven't seen any use of "weapons of mass destruction" against anyone. The only instance was the big fiasco where everyone got excited and started cursing Iraq when they HEARD that some US soldiers were donning chemical-protectove gears. Woops, sorry, false alarm.
Now, you guys are trying to justify the invasion against Iraq with the discovery of a lab which might have produced a 'weapon of mass destruction' which 'might' have been used against some country or countries.
What's that spell?
Retribution against a crime that hasn't been committed yet.
What are you saying, we should just wait till they develop a nulear weapon & use it before we act? Your logic is so IGNORANT.
Iraq leaders claimed they had no weapons grade nuclear stuff. This just will confirm the already known.
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Scholz there was a top Iraqui scientist saying that after the Israeli bombing they on purpose spilt some radioactive material to blame the Israeli goverment he unwillingly helped to do so, and shortly afterwards he fled the country. He explicitly said they had removed most of the radioactive material from the Nuke plant because they had some intel the Israelis were about to do so.
I'll get you the name of the scientist when he appears again.
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Originally posted by vorticon
uh oh...who would expect plutonium under a nuclear powerplant... i always knew there was something fishy about that place
Why would a country with one of the largest stores of energy producing resources on the planet need a nucleur powerplant? For one reason:
"Plutonium for weapons is made differently (than that made for powerplants sic), in simple reactors (usually fuelled with natural uranium) run for that purpose, with frequent fuel changes (ie. low burn-up). This, coupled with the application of international safeguards, effectively rules out the use of commercial nuclear power plants."
(par. 25 http://www.uic.com.au/nip18.htm)
The power producing grade of plutonium is wholly unsuitable for use as a weapon, due to its unpredictable nature. It becomes more and more unpredictable as it is used to produce power. So if the plutonium was found in the factility and not in the reactor, it is highly likely it was being saved/used for another purpose. It only takes 10 kilograms to produce a bomb.
MiG
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"That may very well be true, but not my point. This storage may be a waste dump for the radioactive coolant of the destroyed reactor. How do other nations store this stuff?"
The reactor never came online. Israel knocked it out before that.
"Why would a country with one of the largest stores of energy producing resources on the planet need a nucleur powerplant?"
I'm sure Saddam was worried about the pollution caused by the filthy oil. He was looking for a clearer source of power for the good of his people.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A lab isn't a weapon.
Would they have produced a weapon and tried to use it? Most highly possible, but not absolutely.
After all, the very regime has fallen and we still haven't seen any use of "weapons of mass destruction" against anyone. The only instance was the big fiasco where everyone got excited and started cursing Iraq when they HEARD that some US soldiers were donning chemical-protectove gears. Woops, sorry, false alarm.
Now, you guys are trying to justify the invasion against Iraq with the discovery of a lab which might have produced a 'weapon of mass destruction' which 'might' have been used against some country or countries.
What's that spell?
Retribution against a crime that hasn't been committed yet.
The 'aggressive agenda to fight against terrorism' your country is pushing, is something that shakes the very fundament of justice which the democratic ideology has held on to for a very long time.
Your logic isn't sound, Kweassa. These actions are very consistent with our democratic principles.
You are correct that we don't (yet) prosecute someone for owning a gun under the reasoning that they might commit armed robbery.
BUT, we certainly establish parole violations for known felons that set a different standard. A convicted felon on parole can be thrown into jail instantly just for being in the vicinity of a gun.
Saddam is (was?) a known felon: he invaded Kuwait unprovoked, he used WMD on his own population. The world put him on parole in 1991. The conditions of that parole didn't state that he had to *use* WMD to be in violation, just any indication that he was trying to *develop* them was enough.
I'd say this is very consistent with our democratic principles.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I pray you people change course from the way of thinking that so obsessively grasped Americans since 9.11. Right now, I'm sorry to say it is terrifying to watch so many people craving for vengeance so bloodthirstily, like mad dogs. [/B]
Yep,
What does that say to the world "don't allow terrorists to train and operate in you country or risk losing your control of your country"
since 9-11 I believe many Dictators have had sleepless nights and have reconsidered there support to terrorists that would attack us again.
Japan learned that the US will respond to an attack and it seems that some people just needed a history lesson.
Lets get one thing clear right now WE will take any action to protect our people and our nation. We risked many lives and much equipment. to rescue one privet, get it.
We somehow seem week to these Despots as they take our compassion as a weakness. This has changed in the last two years, lets see three buildings attacked and over 3000 people killed and now two countries have had regime change. Seems like we are one country short.
It is so very simple DON'T SUPPORT AND ALLOW TERRORESTS IN YOUR COUNTRY, what is so hard about that.
If this is the only kind of language that these *******s understand fine we can speak softly and carry a big stick.
Any other country want to help terrorists kill our people step up.
Terrorists MUST have a place to train and a government to provide them the resources to do there killing. This is what we are going to change, just watch.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Bodhi if that was baiting, it only shows how low my perception of you folks has sunk with this whole ordeal. I could actually believe you could have been serious while saying that.
And to Kweassa: We don't need to worry, if the US continues the war for a few months, let alone years, GWB will drive the whole economy down the toilet with huge budget deficit, high oil prices and the stock market going down the tubes.
GWB's little crusades will crush even the US economy if he's stupid enough to continue. It was difficult to get international support for even this offensive, let alone the next (theoretical) one.
Siaf, I could absolutely care less what you or your countries opinion of me or the US is.
As far as I am concerned it is the placement of third world imbeciles in power at the UN that has allowed the world to degenerate to the level it has. But we needn't worry about that for much longer, as we are on a roll that will likely end the UN for all except humanitarian aid.
Ohh, and as for concerns over our economy, it is improving, I am investing and making money again as will the rest of the intelligent people in this country who see it for what it is.
Sorry that your country is so insignificant that you feel it makes you better by bashing the US policies. Don't like em? The help make your country into a world power like we did, then you can set world policy too, until then, be brateful for the foreign aid we give your country each year.
'Nuff Said
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Bodhi if that was baiting, it only shows how low my perception of you folks has sunk with this whole ordeal. I could actually believe you could have been serious while saying that.
And to Kweassa: We don't need to worry, if the US continues the war for a few months, let alone years, GWB will drive the whole economy down the toilet with huge budget deficit, high oil prices and the stock market going down the tubes.
GWB's little crusades will crush even the US economy if he's stupid enough to continue. It was difficult to get international support for even this offensive, let alone the next (theoretical) one.
You dont know crap about the economy. War is great for the economy.
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Originally posted by BigGun
What are you saying, we should just wait till they develop a nulear weapon & use it before we act? Your logic is so IGNORANT.
Iraq leaders claimed they had no weapons grade nuclear stuff. This just will confirm the already known.
"What an immense mass of evil must result, and indeed does result, from allowing men to assume the right of anticipating what may happen. - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You