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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: blitz on April 10, 2003, 03:18:48 PM
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Pre-emtive strikes are forbidden for very good reasons.
It's sad that Bush & Co chosed the side of evil :(
It's a good thing that Saddam & CO are gone and Iraq people have a new chance now but that is only collateral dammage of Bush politics anyway. Was never an important goal for them.
It's the cloud of haze Bush and CO are hidding behind, trying to fool anybody on this planet.
All they do is to look for american interests and nothing but american interests. If another country has it's benefits from their politics it's ok for them, nothing more, it isn't a goal. The one and only goal is the strengh of their very own country.
Bad enough US administration is following their unilateral politics, Kyoto Protocoll, Landmine Protocoll (what do they need all the mines for->pre-emtive?), International Court D-Haag->(for all countries but not for me because i'm God).
International community is only an adress for blackmailing or abused for own interests.
I said abused in the last sentence because it's nothing wrong about serving your country but all that PROPAGANDA about fighting for a 'Free World' is nothing like one big lie.
I don't talk about american people here, i talk about a bad government.
Flamesuit on , please call me names, doesn't help, though :D
Regards Blitz
This war is wrong, unjust, unnessasary and cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and wounded tenthousands innocents. The government of one country decided who's to live and who's to die for all the countries of this planet. Bush and the hawks in his government are dangerous for the civilised world. Keep an eye on them!
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses.
So true .
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dick
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Originally posted by blitz
please call me names
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Someone say something??
oh! sorry I thought I heard something.
carry on nothing to see here
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"unnecessary"? Better ask the Iraqis that.
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Blitz i think you could benefit from medication..
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Pre-emtive strikes are forbidden for very good reasons.
Who says? You? LoL!
Wab
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"All they do is to look for american interests and nothing but american interests. If another country has it's benefits from their politics it's ok for them, nothing more, it isn't a goal. The one and only goal is the strengh of their very own country. "
What the hell do you think we elect them to do? That's their job, doofus.
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Now he is back.. Kinda proves the lifeless thing though...
Thank god for ignore...
{I am not reading his posts animal!}
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blitz: Pre-emtive strikes are forbidden for very good reasons.
Forbidden by us - as the biggest power around. We certainly do not want anyone preempting anyone, especially us. Can't we make an exception for our own government in good cause?
It's not like it is going to take those preemprive actions against us. Oh, wait - I've just read the Patriot Acts. They did...
miko
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Pre-emtive strikes are forbidden for very good reasons.
It wasn't pre-emptive. You forget, the Iraqis signed an article of cease-fire (not a surrender, as many call it) and broke it.
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I thought you quit?
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(whistling while sweeping out the garage) ~~~~~~~~~~~
Moves the trash can, and suddenly a bug runs from under it screaming, "blitz, blitz, bilt...", the bug scream is stopped short along with his breath............I scrape the remains from my shoe.
(again, I start whistling, taking out the trash) ;)
Thorns
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Originally posted by funkedup
"All they do is to look for american interests and nothing but american interests. If another country has it's benefits from their politics it's ok for them, nothing more, it isn't a goal. The one and only goal is the strengh of their very own country. "
What the hell do you think we elect them to do? That's their job, doofus.
You know what is meant, Pappnase .
Regards Blitz
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Dieter is a fantasy role-player. That can be taken pretty much any way you want. :D
Originally posted by blitz
You know what is meant, Pappnase .
Regards Blitz
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I'm fairly certain no one can beat ra's response..
woulda been kewl to see it locked after that :D
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Originally posted by AKWabbit
Who says? You? LoL!
Wab
Yes, me :)
After the two horrible world wars we had last century UN was established to get something like international laws.
These rules should help to make this a better world.
This international law is in no way perfect, same is valid for its administration, the United Nations.
But it is a huge step in the right direction.
Look at the laws in your country. Are they perfekt? Or better: Will they ever be perfekt?
No?
What is your conclusion then?
You spit on your police if they don't act as you like, take your gun and go hunting/killing the bad guys yourself? Ok, then you're no better than them and ya have to see the court yourself.
Law, national or international, needs always to be developped, it will never be perfekt. But it needs to be respected even if you think personally that you don't like it at a point.
It's hard work, needs a lot of patience, will always be a little bit late but it's well worth the effort because it's the difference between animals and humans.
Regards Blitz
This war is wrong, unjust, unnessasary and cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and wounded tenthousands innocents. The government of one country decided who's to live and who's to die for all the countries of this planet. Bush and the hawks in his government are dangerous for the civilised world. Keep an eye on them!
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses.
So true .
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blitze is in no way big threat to america, it's just redicules
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Originally posted by Hangtime
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Hey, welcome back Simplizissimus :D
Regards Blitz
This war is wrong, unjust, unnessasary and cost the lives of thousands of innocent people and wounded tenthousands innocents. The government of one country decided who's to live and who's to die for all the countries of this planet. Bush and the hawks in his government are dangerous for the civilised world. Keep an eye on them!
When germans were "liberating" Russia and Ukraine from bolshevik rule, they were also mostly greeted with hugs and kisses. Later when soviet troops were liberating same area, they were greeted with hugs and kisses.
So true .
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I thought you quit?
Mistake, Mistake :D
t r u t h o u t | Letter
U.S. Diplomat John Brady Kiesling
Letter of Resignation, to:
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
ATHENS | Thursday 27 February 2003
Dear Mr. Secretary:
I am writing you to submit my resignation from the Foreign Service of the United States and from my position as Political Counselor in U.S. Embassy Athens, effective March 7. I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of my upbringing included a felt obligation to give something back to my country. Service as a U.S. diplomat was a dream job. I was paid to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out diplomats, politicians, scholars and journalists, and to persuade them that U.S. interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in my country and its values was the most powerful weapon in my diplomatic arsenal.
It is inevitable that during twenty years with the State Department I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish bureaucratic motives that sometimes shaped our policies. Human nature is what it is, and I was rewarded and promoted for understanding human nature. But until this Administration it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of my president I was also upholding the interests of the American people and the world. I believe it no longer.
The policies we are now asked to advance are incompatible not only with American values but also with American interests. Our fervent pursuit of war with Iraq is driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America’s most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security.
The sacrifice of global interests to domestic politics and to bureaucratic self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely American problem. Still, we have not seen such systematic distortion of intelligence, such systematic manipulation of American opinion, since the war in Vietnam. The September 11 tragedy left us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast international coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of terrorism. But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, this Administration has chosen to make terrorism a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated Al Qaeda as its bureaucratic ally. We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government. September 11 did not do as much damage to the fabric of American society as we seem determined to so to ourselves. Is the Russia of the late Romanovs really our model, a selfish, superstitious empire thrashing toward self-destruction in the name of a doomed status quo?
We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the world that a war with Iraq is necessary. We have over the past two years done too much to assert to our world partners that narrow and mercenary U.S. interests override the cherished values of our partners. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of Afghanistan is little comfort to allies wondering on what basis we plan to rebuild the Middle East, and in whose image and interests. Have we indeed become blind, as Russia is blind in Chechnya, as Israel is blind in the Occupied Territories, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is not the answer to terrorism? After the shambles of post-war Iraq joins the shambles in Grozny and Ramallah, it will be a brave foreigner who forms ranks with Micronesia to follow where we lead.
We have a coalition still, a good one. The loyalty of many of our friends is impressive, a tribute to American moral capital built up over a century. But our closest allies are persuaded less that war is justified than that it would be perilous to allow the U.S. to drift into complete solipsism. Loyalty should be reciprocal. Why does our President condone the swaggering and contemptuous approach to our friends and allies this Administration is fostering, including among its most senior officials. Has “oderint dum metuant” really become our motto?
I urge you to listen to America’s friends around the world. Even here in Greece, purported hotbed of European anti-Americanism, we have more and closer friends than the American newspaper reader can possibly imagine. Even when they complain about American arrogance, Greeks know that the world is a difficult and dangerous place, and they want a strong international system, with the U.S. and EU in close partnership. When our friends are afraid of us rather than for us, it is time to worry. And now they are afraid. Who will tell them convincingly that the United States is as it was, a beacon of liberty, security, and justice for the planet?
Mr. Secretary, I have enormous respect for your character and ability. You have preserved more international credibility for us than our policy deserves, and salvaged something positive from the excesses of an ideological and self-serving Administration. But your loyalty to the President goes too far. We are straining beyond its limits an international system we built with such toil and treasure, a web of laws, treaties, organizations, and shared values that sets limits on our foes far more effectively than it ever constrained America’s ability to defend its interests.
I am resigning because I have tried and failed to reconcile my conscience with my ability to represent the current U.S. Administration. I have confidence that our democratic process is ultimately self-correcting, and hope that in a small way I can contribute from outside to shaping policies that better serve the security and prosperity of the American people and the world we share.
John Brady Kiesling
Regards Blitz
Angriffskrieg......
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You know Blitz, you try awfully hard to convince us that our country sucks, jealousy is a powerful motivator it seems.
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Blitz, the political head hunting is getting a bit old.