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Title: a new revolution
Post by: Ike 2K# on April 10, 2003, 11:19:21 PM
CAN we have a "5 point perk system"???

*here is my new vision of perking system.

*players have to play hard to get more advanced planes starting from non-perk, perk1,perk2,perk3,perk4,perk5, and perk6.

*i hope this new idea will make this game more interesting and more challenging for newbs and veterans alike.



Non perk planes:


JAPANESE

a6m2 zero
a6m5 zeke
D3A val
B5N2 kite

GERMAN

BF-109 E-4 emil
JU-87 stuka
JU-88 a4

British

huricane 1/2c/2d
spitfire 1
boston3

American

F4F-4 wildcat
FM2
P-40B
P-40E
A-20G
C-47
SBD-5
TBM-3

Italian

C.202

------------------------------

Perk Points: 5


Japanese

KI-61
KI-67

German

109 F-4/G-2/G-6
110 C-4b
190 A5/F8

British

spitfire V
seafire IIC
Mosquito Mk VI

American

B-26
F6F-5 hellcat
P-51B
F4U-1 /1D
P-47D-11 /D-25

Italian

C.205

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

IL-2 Type 3
La-5FN
Yak-9T

------------------------------

Perk Points: 20


Japanese

N1k2J

German

109 G10
110 G2
190 A-8/D-9

British

Spitfire IX
Landcaster III
Typhoon

American

B-17G
P-51 mustang
F4U-1C
F4U-4
P-38L
P-47D-30

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

la-7
Yak-9U

------------------------------

Perk Points: 50

German

Ta-152H

British

Spitfire XIV
Tempest V

------------------------------

Perk Points: 150

German

Me-163
Ar-234B
Me-262


* note that Me-262's perk points is lower than the current in Main Arena (256)
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: bockko on April 10, 2003, 11:39:27 PM
I personally don't want to pay $15 dollars a month to "work hard" to get a better plane. I worked hard in real life while I was in the military, now I prefer to just play soldier. I don't want to play a ladder system. I don't want to be stuck in a crummy plane while guys who don't have a real life fly around in my dang spit. I can feel your pain about plane selection, but this is a game, we pay for it, we shouldn't have too many rules crammed down our throats. MHO.

There seems to be alot of "perk this" mentality on the boards. Exactly why?

bockk
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ike 2K# on April 10, 2003, 11:53:01 PM
alright, EDITED VERSION

Non perk planes:


JAPANESE

a6m2 zero
a6m5 zeke
D3A val
B5N2 kite

GERMAN

BF-109 E-4 emil
JU-87 stuka
JU-88 a4

British

huricane 1/2c/2d
spitfire 1
boston3

American

F4F-4 wildcat
FM2
P-40B
P-40E
A-20G
C-47
SBD-5
TBM-3

Italian

C.202

------------------------------

Perk Points: 10


Japanese

KI-61
KI-67

German

109 F-4/G-2/G-6
110 C-4b
190 A5/F8

British

spitfire V
seafire IIC
Mosquito Mk VI

American

B-26
F6F-5 hellcat
P-51B
F4U-1 /1D
P-47D-11 /D-25

Italian

C.205

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

IL-2 Type 3
La-5FN
Yak-9T

------------------------------

Perk Points: 50


Japanese

N1k2J

German

109 G10
110 G2
190 A-8/D-9

British

Spitfire IX
Landcaster III
Typhoon

American

B-17G
P-51 mustang
F4U-1C
F4U-4
P-38L
P-47D-30

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

la-7
Yak-9U

------------------------------

Perk Points: 100

German

Ta-152H

British

Spitfire XIV
Tempest V

------------------------------

Perk Points: 200

German

Me-163
Ar-234B
Me-262


* note that Me-262's perk points is lower than the current in Main Arena (256)
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Swoop on April 11, 2003, 12:33:04 AM
ok now perks really do depend on how much you fly.


Do you have any idea how long it takes a fairly new player to earn 100 perks?  And what if that player only flys 10 hours a month cos he's a married man with a job and kids?

6 months of flying to earn a spit IX?  I dont think so......


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Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: palef on April 11, 2003, 12:47:31 AM
This idea will just lead to newbies being spanked en masse by KOTH winners in Tempests and 262s.

How about reducing the plane set for the higher ranking (as in lower number) guys instead - Naaaaaaaaahh.

How about a perk system where only the best performing aircraft of WWII are perked?? :)

Seriously though - good on you Ike for coming up with an idea that you've obviously thought about.

palef
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ike 2K# on April 11, 2003, 12:58:13 AM
ANOTHER EDITED VERSION (check this if this is a good idea)


Non perk planes:


JAPANESE

a6m2 zero
a6m5 zeke
D3A val
B5N2 kite

GERMAN

BF-109 E-4 emil
JU-87 stuka
JU-88 a4

British

huricane 1/2c/2d
spitfire 1
boston3

American

F4F-4 wildcat
FM2
P-40B
P-40E
A-20G
C-47
SBD-5
TBM-3

Italian

C.202

------------------------------

Perk Points: 5


Japanese

KI-61
KI-67

German

109 F-4/G-2/G-6
110 C-4b
190 A5/F8

British

spitfire V
seafire IIC
Mosquito Mk VI

American

B-26
F6F-5 hellcat
P-51B
F4U-1 /1D
P-47D-11 /D-25

Italian

C.205

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

IL-2 Type 3
La-5FN
Yak-9T

------------------------------

Perk Points: 20


Japanese

N1k2J

German

109 G10
110 G2
190 A-8/D-9

British

Spitfire IX
Landcaster III
Typhoon

American

B-17G
P-51 mustang
F4U-1C
F4U-4
P-38L
P-47D-30

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

la-7
Yak-9U

------------------------------

Perk Points: 50

German

Ta-152H

British

Spitfire XIV
Tempest V

------------------------------

Perk Points: 150

German

Me-163
Ar-234B
Me-262


* note that Me-262's perk points is lower than the current in Main Arena (256)

** also note that spit 9 has been reduced to 20 pts vs 50
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ike 2K# on April 11, 2003, 01:05:02 AM
Quote
Originally posted by palef


How about a perk system where only the best performing aircraft of WWII are perked?? :)

palef


Thats what im trying to propose for the next patch or next version (AH2)
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Karnak on April 11, 2003, 01:43:40 AM
That is insanely restrictive.

Your suggested free planes would lead to utter domination by the Japanese (A6M5b) and Americans (FM2, P-40E, A-20G).  Nothing you gave the British, Germans or Italians as a freebie comes close to the four aircraft I mentioned.  The poor Russians get nothing, not even their sitting duck of an Il-2.

In your free category you have included 1944 aircraft (FM2, A6M5b) with 1939 aircraft for others (Spitfire Mk I (1938), Hurricane Mk I (1937), Bf109E-4 (1939))

You're 20 perk level includes an aircraft that is later and better than your 50 perk aircraft, and far, far better than the rest of the 20 point craft.

palef and Swoop have very correctly pointed out that new players or average players would get screwed by this idea.  People who fly, say, P-47s, P-38s, P-51s, Fw190s, Yaks, Tiffies, ect would be screwed. Make no mistake about it, many people pay to fly only one or two aircraft.


In short, this idea would kill HTC and AH if implimented.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Arlo on April 11, 2003, 01:54:45 AM
Quote
Ike2k# blurts

*here is my new vision of perking system.



[size=10]Argh!

STFU!
[/size]:D
Title: Re: a new revolution
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 11, 2003, 02:33:40 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ike 2K#
CAN we have a "5 point perk system"???

*here is my new vision of perking system.

*players have to play hard to get more advanced planes starting from non-perk, perk1,perk2,perk3,perk4,perk5, and perk6.

*i hope this new idea will make this game more interesting and more challenging for newbs and veterans alike.



Perks should not be based on what period, rarity or numbers that saw combat.  HiTech has perked planes that have been deemed to somehow effect the game balance within AH and that should be the only criteria used in whether or not a plane gets perked.


Ack-Ack
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 11, 2003, 06:58:13 AM
I think it sounds pretty good...if applied in reverse and according to fighter ranks..........ie: anyone with a fighter rank under 250 would be limited to a choice of what Ike calles the non-perked planes; under 500 would be limited to the next set as well as the non-perked planes.....and so on until only the newbies can fly the 262s etc without paying perks.....................thi nk about it
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 11, 2003, 07:07:14 AM
or in other words.........limit the best pilots to the worst planes
Title: Re: a new revolution
Post by: Shane on April 11, 2003, 07:13:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ike 2K#
CAN we have a "5 point perk system"???

*here is my new vision of perking system.

*players have to play hard to get more advanced planes starting from non-perk, perk1,perk2,perk3,perk4,perk5, and perk6.

 


you're new aren't you?

:D
Title: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: SirLoin on April 11, 2003, 07:31:59 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
HiTech has perked planes that have been deemed to somehow effect the game balance within AH .


Ack-Ack


Then why isn't the LA7 perked?

...:D
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: lazs2 on April 11, 2003, 07:54:45 AM
or the pee 51 or d9?
lazs
Title: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: ramzey on April 11, 2003, 08:05:46 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
you're new aren't you?

:D


anyone saw any thread without his 0,02$?:D :D
is he still play h2h only?
Title: Re: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: Max on April 11, 2003, 08:26:41 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ramzey
anyone saw any thread without his 0,02$?:D :D
is he still play h2h only?


LOL...Ike plays gratis and wants to dictate limitations to the 3,000 or so paying players? I don't think so :)

Besides, it would further infuriate the all-too-common display of vulching, head-ons and ganging.

DmdMax
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: thrila on April 11, 2003, 09:43:15 AM
What's the point of AH having so many planes if you're just gonna perk all of them?
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Nifty on April 11, 2003, 09:47:54 AM
umm, no.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Hap on April 11, 2003, 09:48:10 AM
lol not a serious suggestion but funny i think, pilots w/rankings over 1,000 get anyplane they want.  period.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ouch on April 11, 2003, 09:58:26 AM
Ummm, no.

(great response, had to steal it.)


If you want to perk everything, then the entire system would have to change.

If you changed the levels to:

0, 2, 4, 8, 16, 100, then MAYBE I'd buy into it.

The low levels mean that yes, there will still be LOTS of the higher level planes, and you DON'T have to work HARD to get your Spit/LA/N1K1, but you need to maintain some level of safety or you may lose it for a (SHORT) while.

This would force you to actually care about PERK points, JUST A LITTLE, at all times.  The 262/163/234 would have their points LOWERED since you would actually be using the points at almost all times.  The only way to get one at the current point levels would be to never fly perk planes at all.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 11, 2003, 10:13:15 AM
no perk points at all.....the lower your rank, the more limited your choice of planes becomes......if you want to fly a 262 or even a pee 51 you'll just have to die a lot more LOL
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Modas on April 11, 2003, 10:35:51 AM
Perk Planes?  What are those???  :D  

Every once in a while, I'll take a 262 up.  I've got so many perks now, I'll give 'em so somebody if they want them :)

Perk system is fine the way it is...  IMO
Title: newer revolution??
Post by: NoBaddy on April 11, 2003, 11:41:56 AM
Instead of a Perk System...we need a Dork System. Everyone would begin with access to all planes. Each plane would have a 'Dork value'. With each kill you get, you get Dorks. The more Dorks you have, the more restricted the plane set becomes.

It might go something like this...

50 dorks...no more 262s

75 dorks...no more P51s, 163s, Ta152, D-9s...etc..

What you end up with is everyone with over 100 dorks flying Spit 1s, Emils and P40Bs.

Makes perfect sense....if you are mentally challenged :D.
Title: Re: newer revolution??
Post by: Nwbie on April 11, 2003, 11:54:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy
Instead of a Perk System...we need a Dork System. Everyone would begin with access to all planes. Each plane would have a 'Dork value'. With each kill you get, you get Dorks. The more Dorks you have, the more restricted the plane set becomes.

It might go something like this...

50 dorks...no more 262s

75 dorks...no more P51s, 163s, Ta152, D-9s...etc..

What you end up with is everyone with over 100 dorks flying Spit 1s, Emils and P40Bs.

Makes perfect sense....if you are mentally challenged :D.


Well H e Double Hockey sticks--you will get the whole Damned Squadron up in arms over this, what are there now about 50 to 60 dorks in your squad? You are all screwed !!

:D



NwBie
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: vorticon on April 11, 2003, 12:03:07 PM
hehehe...whats wrong with the current perk system...
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 11, 2003, 12:19:30 PM
well...right now as it is you have the best pilots flying the best planes....which makes it even more demoralizing for a newbie....if they're that good they should be able to do well in the worst  planes......or....since most of the long timers have thousands of perk points to spend....put a time limit on fighter perks....say 3 months and they are gone
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ike 2K# on April 11, 2003, 12:20:09 PM
c'mon, where is the excitement of flying zeroes, hurricanes, P-40B/Es, and C.202s in main arena? these non perked planes were overshadowed by spit 9s p-51s la-7s, F4U-1 1/Ds to name the few and zero(a6m2) fun in MA was all lost
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: qts on April 11, 2003, 03:09:25 PM
This is an utterly horrible idea with no redeeming features whatsoever.
Title: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: RightF00T on April 11, 2003, 03:27:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
you're new aren't you?

:D


:D Don't do it Shane...
Title: Re: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: Shane on April 11, 2003, 03:35:56 PM
Quote
Originally posted by RightF00T
:D Don't do it Shane...


lol, can't attach pix any more and not about to hunt for a free hosting site.

:D
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: bockko on April 11, 2003, 03:45:20 PM
Quote
c'mon, where is the excitement of flying zeroes, hurricanes, P-40B/Es, and C.202s in main arena? these non perked planes were overshadowed by spit 9s p-51s la-7s, F4U-1 1/Ds to name the few and zero(a6m2) fun in MA was all lost
 

Ike, I for one have been flying the c205 very frequently -- its a riot to fly. Heck, landing 40 perkies for one flight with that thing is not that hard. Perking planes away from everyone in order to get less capable planes in the air more frequently is not right.

Hakuna Matata, let it go. Fly what you want, let everyone else fly what they want also. If you want people to fly old planes, pay for their subscription with the caveat that they fly your plane choice. Then you can have all the fun you want!
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: wetrat on April 11, 2003, 05:04:38 PM
This is quite possibly the worst perk idea I've ever seen... and there've been some pretty bad ideas around here.

Oh, and by the way... the 262 by default (with a 1.00 perk bonus) is 200 perks, not 250something as you said.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: SlapShot on April 11, 2003, 05:08:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Docc
well...right now as it is you have the best pilots flying the best planes....which makes it even more demoralizing for a newbie....if they're that good they should be able to do well in the worst  planes......or....since most of the long timers have thousands of perk points to spend....put a time limit on fighter perks....say 3 months and they are gone


Docc ...

Don't know how long you have been around, but it doesn't sound like it's been very long ...

How many times have you run into Leviathan in his MONSTER Spit V ... or Drex in his uber A20 or KILLER F6F ... or Mathman in his DOMINATING F6F ... the list goes on.

Your statement that the best pilots fly the monster planes is an assumption on your part at the very least. These guys can kick your bellybutton 10 out of 10 in a bi-plane so don't credit their accomplishments on the plane they fly ... its an insult.

This is not the first "I know the ultimate perk system" and it won't be the last, but I can surely bet the ranch on the fact that it will never be implemented.

Bottom line ... IT SUCKS !!!
Title: Re: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 11, 2003, 05:45:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
Then why isn't the LA7 perked?

...:D



LOL!  I wondered when someone was going to hijack the thread with PERK THE LA7! post.


Ack-Ack
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 11, 2003, 05:55:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Docc
well...right now as it is you have the best pilots flying the best planes....which makes it even more demoralizing for a newbie....if they're that good they should be able to do well in the worst  planes......or....since most of the long timers have thousands of perk points to spend....put a time limit on fighter perks....say 3 months and they are gone



Instead of limiting what others fly to make up for your lack of ability, why don't you go to the Training Arena instead and learn some BFM/ACM?

Ack-Ack
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Urchin on April 11, 2003, 06:02:19 PM
plane > pilot.  

Acm 'matters', but only in that context.
Title: Re: Re: newer revolution??
Post by: NoBaddy on April 11, 2003, 06:43:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nwbie
Well H e Double Hockey sticks--you will get the whole Damned Squadron up in arms over this, what are there now about 50 to 60 dorks in your squad? You are all screwed !!

:D

NwBie


Nwbie...you goober!!! I was trying to make a serious point and you skaruit all up!!!

Ok...not that serious :) and you are probably right about the squad :D.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 11, 2003, 06:43:41 PM
Slapshot, you just proved my point.....btw....should have known you were a MAW LOL
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: vorticon on April 11, 2003, 07:25:25 PM
i eat MAWS for dinner
Title: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: nopoop on April 11, 2003, 08:37:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
you're new aren't you?

:D


Mr. Shane, with your permission ?

Gentlemen....a drumroll puuleeeze..

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid59/pdb6b96b8047e1d24ce0d7dc8e127da6d/fc5ac33c.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Re: a new revolution
Post by: Shane on April 11, 2003, 11:05:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by nopoop
Mr. Shane, with your permission ?
Gentlemen....a drumroll puuleeeze..


the torch has been passed...
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ike 2K# on April 11, 2003, 11:09:31 PM
can someone pls define "S.T.F.U." pls
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: DrDea on April 11, 2003, 11:57:37 PM
Its a polite SHUT THE F@$K UP:rolleyes:
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Sandman on April 12, 2003, 12:49:01 AM
... that's not all that polite.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: palef on April 12, 2003, 01:56:05 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ike 2K#
Thats what im trying to propose for the next patch or next version (AH2)


Did you , like uh, deliberately not understand my post, or are you really that stupid???

I was paraphrasing the current system.

I think I may have to stop adding encouraging comments to my posts.

palef.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: DrDea on April 12, 2003, 02:02:06 AM
Trying to tell someone thats letting ya play for free in H2H how to run there game aint to polite either.I say If ya like the game,fine.If ya think you can build a better balance,Then by all means put up the cash,make a game,promote it,and then sell it.Seeing as how when AH2 comes out this drivel will all be irrelevant the only thing left to say is if you dont like the way HT has the game set up.............Drum roll please..................
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: DrDea on April 12, 2003, 02:03:30 AM
Nopoop?You asleep at the wheel?
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: wetrat on April 12, 2003, 09:51:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Docc
I think it sounds pretty good...if applied in reverse and according to fighter ranks..........ie: anyone with a fighter rank under 250 would be limited to a choice of what Ike calles the non-perked planes; under 500 would be limited to the next set as well as the non-perked planes.....and so on until only the newbies can fly the 262s etc without paying perks.....................thi nk about it
Ok, you're an idiot.

a) not all good pilots are ranked below 250
b) many terrible pilots are ranked below 250
c) that system would lose HTC my subscription and undoubtedly many others
d) the 262 is markedly useless in the hands of a complete newbie. More thank likely he'll climb to 15k, dive on something on the deck at full throttle, and rip the wings off before he hits 8k. Again, you're an idiot.
e) Ike's idea of which planes should be perked and which belong where is absolutely terrible. '43, '44, '45 planes (f4f-4, FM2, a6m5) against an emil, 2 junkers (early junkers at that) and a C202? GIVE ME A potato peelinG BREAK.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to cut you two idiots down (ike, docc). Oh wait, yes I am...

[size=100]STFU[/size]
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 12, 2003, 10:28:19 AM
wetrat and Dr. Death.....this is supposed to be a forum where ideas can be discussed in a civil manner whether or not they are perfect.  If showing your lack of consideration for the rights of others by flaming the author just because you don't agree with them, then you are walking reasons for birth control.
     The idea is to give newbies a chance because as it stands now only the best pilots (because they have perk points and newbies don't) ARE ABLE to fly the best planes which exacerbates the demoralizing situation for a newbie.  Sure maybe a newbie wouldn;t be able to do anything with a 262 of F4U1-C, but at least they had the possibility of a better chance of survival.
     It was just a thought in responce to Ike's new perk system....no need for you guys to get wedgies over it.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: DrDea on April 12, 2003, 10:39:00 AM
Its like asking the coach of a football team to make the guys who train harder,play harder and perform better to play with no pads,with 1 arm tied behind there backs and hop on 1 leg just because the new guys cant compete with them.To restrict the pilots,most have been playing for years and earned the ability they have,and make it easy for the Newbs is totally idiotic.You dont show appreciation to long time customers by clipping there wings.Its not a flame.Its just totally a rediculous  Idea.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 12, 2003, 11:35:40 AM
Instead of hearing nothing but destructive criticism from you about anyone else's ideas,  let's hear your ideas on how to encourage newbies to stay with the game instead of getting demoralized and quitting while utilizing more of the planeset offered in the MA........after all, that's what this thread is about.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: bockko on April 12, 2003, 12:08:31 PM
Instead of handicapping better pilots to help newbies get kills, newbies should study tactics, learn each plane's strengths/weaknesses, practice gunnery, analyze how/why the get killed, and in general, LEARN. We don't need complex perk systems, that is sooo socialist. Let the paying players base choose what planes they want to fly and how to fly them. If one player can't fly any plane good then that pilot should LEARN how to fly to win, even if its in a lala. A marginal pilot in a LALA sure gives the better pilot in a crummy plane plenty of perkies, which is not a bad thing. Good pilot has fun, bad pilot gets a lesson in acm/SA, if bad pilot is watching and listening. And yes, the learning curve in AH is harsh, some of these guys have had years of flight sim's to hone their skills and unlike real life, they get more than once death to get it right. It is, after all, a game.

Don't worry about perk plane values, worry about learning to fly the ones that are there!
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: DrDea on April 12, 2003, 12:14:53 PM
For one thing,the perk system will be a moot point when AH2 comes out.The "Classic" AH will still be in place and the perk system will still be in effect,but as far as AH2 it will not be the same scoreing system.There are many good planes that dont have perks involved.You dont just hop in a 262 and rack up kills.Same goes for the Chog.Many of the planes in the current set are just as good as any of the perk planes.The TA 152 does nothing unless its at high alt.Its a buff hunter.To say that not having the perked planes available causes a one sided war is not only a cop out,its wrong.To put it in as simple terms as possable.Its NOT the plane.Its the PILOT.The only way to get good at this game is to spend less time coming up with ways to make it fit your personal ideas of fair and more time flying the planes to get a feel for them.Latch onto a squad.Ask questions.Read the manual.Theres no easy way out of gaining seat time and thats the only way you will be able to grab perks.Want to get perks faster?Fly a 202 or a 109F4.Personaly,I never gave a rats patootie about perks.Im more squadmate orientated and having fun is my main goal.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 12, 2003, 02:03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Docc

     The idea is to give newbies a chance because as it stands now only the best pilots (because they have perk points and newbies don't) ARE ABLE to fly the best planes which exacerbates the demoralizing situation for a newbie.  



Maybe it's because you're new yourself that you don't quite realize this but the best planes aren't the perked ones.


Ack-Ack
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 12, 2003, 02:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Docc
let's hear your ideas on how to encourage newbies to stay with the game instead of getting demoralized...




Here's a thought...why not encourage them to go to the Training Arena, setup some training time with a trainer so they could actually learn something that will help them be competive.  

The main reason why newbies give up this game isn't because they can't fly the Me262 or any other perk planes, it's because they don't have the knowledge (i.e. BFM/ACM) to make them competitive in the MA.  If there was a formal training program that newbies could go to, that would cut down a lot on those that give up the game after a few days of frustration.


Ack-Ack
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Docc on April 12, 2003, 04:05:58 PM
sounds great Ack-Ack........but you left out the other half wihich was included in the perk points/rank idea.......which was to increase the use of the lesser planes in the MA.........Btw...I've been in AH 16 months and another flight sim for 3 years before that
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Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: wetrat on April 12, 2003, 05:54:12 PM
Ok, docc. Your reasoning really does puzzle me. So, since I'm a "better" pilot than the newbs, that means that I should have to fly a 1939 plane against their 262 or tempest? Or that since I've been at this a while, I should be restricted to the WORST planes simply because the new people suck? What the hell is that?

This game is very simple, and isn't hard at all to get good at. And we already have several "easy" planes dominating the MA, the majority of which are flown by less than mediocre pilots. ie. the dora, LA-7, N1K, Spit9. All of those planes are completely adequate to compete against my 109-G2. With several exceptions, most of the better pilots in this game don't fly these "dweeb rides" I've mentioned.

And as for the currently perked planes... Most "good" pilots don't fly them a whole lot. Some do, but I don't know of many people who make their main ride a perk plane. Also, you don't need to be anything approaching good to fly a perk plane. Hell, in my first month of AH (AH was also my first flight sim) I was able to afford a 262.

Get over it; just because you suck and can't compete doesn't mean HTC's long-time customers should have their wings clipped. Newbies are just that; newbies. They'll either stay and get better, stay and keep sucking (most common), or bugger off.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: DrDea on April 12, 2003, 08:53:03 PM
but you left out the other half wihich was included in the perk points/rank idea.......which was to increase the use of the lesser planes in the MA........

   I fly the 109F4 as much as anything.Not because of some need to appease new pilots.But because it pays out well and its an underated plane.A plane is only going to be as good as a pilot.You cant shove planes people dont want to fly down there throats.There isnt a handicap in AH.This isnt bowling where the goal is to try to make everyone even.Its cyber swimming.Harsh as it sounds,learn how to fly or die.Sink or swim.Theres plenty of people if approached right will offer help..
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: SlapShot on April 13, 2003, 07:45:34 AM
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Originally posted by Docc
Slapshot, you just proved my point.....btw....should have known you were a MAW LOL


How does my post prove your point? I think you need to read it again.

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Originally posted by vorticon
i eat MAWS for dinner


And then you woke up ... :D
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: Drex on April 25, 2003, 01:06:00 PM
The only way to have a more equal arena is not to limit the planes, but to increase the level of ones own skill.

Drex
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: vorticon on April 25, 2003, 01:16:07 PM
yeah woke up and saw natemaws burning corpse on the unclean hth ground beside me hehehe
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: muckmaw on April 25, 2003, 01:35:24 PM
Whoever started this thread...I'm too lazy to look...it'll never happen.

The MA has become, and will continue to become more of a Quake style game, than a WWII Combat Flight sim.(not sure which is was designed to be, anyway)

Nothing wrong with that. It seems to be what the masses want.

Read some recent and not so recent threads about making fields purely for furballs.

Look at some of the most successful games out there. Many are instant action style first person shooters. Thats where the money is, and that's what you need to market to make a buck.

Personally, I've always said I enjoy a challenge. I would prefer to earn somthing that to just have it available to me.

Ultima Online is a good example. You start out naked, no armor, no weapons, and a rabbit...(Literally) can kick your prettythang.

You work. You go through toil. You do mindless things that are more like real work than a game. You earn your place. You earn better weapons and skills. There were always uber player killers around, who logged 20 hours a day, looking to loot you.

It made the game much more addictive, and rewarding. Now, this is what I enjoy. I am very much in the minority. Many folks looked for cheat codes for UO to get infinite gold, etc. They wanted instant action and gratification. This is the majority.

Veterans of AH have paid their dues by learning ACM. I would love to see more diversity in the MA, and would happily start with the lowest plane out there, with the challenge of earning my way to my ride of choice. Most Vets would not do the same, and if they had to, would most likely quit.

The point is, you cannot go backwards in AH MA. You've given folks almost 100% free choice of the plane set. If you take it away, HTC is going to lose money.

It's just not going to happen.
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: SlapShot on April 25, 2003, 03:43:11 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
yeah woke up and saw natemaws burning corpse on the unclean hth ground beside me hehehe


Please vorticon ... you shoot down 1 MAW and you think you have a handle on the whole squad.

In the past 6 months, you fly 1 sortie (under vorticon) in Tour 38, get 1 kill - 3 assist - 1 death. I would presume that the 1 kill was nateMAW, and with that you eat "MAW" for breakfast. :rolleyes:

You still haven't woken up from your H2H dream .. :D
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: BGBMAW on April 25, 2003, 04:56:32 PM
i will kik most of your asses


Love
BiGB
xoxo

P.S. If you dont agree with me..please feel free to go to your kitchen..grab a steak knife..and stick it in your belley...Then say."I deserve this"
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: DrDea on April 25, 2003, 10:23:49 PM
The only way to have a more equal arena is not to limit the planes, but to increase the level of ones own skill.

Drex

  No shat.Suck it up and learn to fly.Dont expect the Vets to have to be dragged down to your level.When I first started this game I got beat up on more than less.Now I can say I do the beating more than less and I'll be damned if Im gonna throw out 2 years of flying lessons cause some crybaby wants a level playing field.Life sucks.Wear a cup
Title: 6 POINT PERK SYSTEM (HT, Skuzzy or any admins pls respond)
Post by: streetstang on April 26, 2003, 01:00:26 PM
Stop whinning about the planes you can and cannot fly. The game is meant to be fun. So shut up and fly. :eek:
Not much anyone is going to say will change the perk system. Bugs maybe... But not th system used and codeing involved to revamp an entire new system of perking. Im certainly happy with the system now. And if you dont have enough perks for the plane you want, take up an FM2 or somthing like that. Perkies will add up fast.