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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on April 12, 2003, 11:40:02 AM
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1. Tiger can be de-tracked by anything that shoots it long enough, and once it is detracked it may as well be dead since you can no longer aim any weapons. Apparently our Tiger is the Epileptic Mk VI Heavy Tank.
2. Hispanos can still kill Panzer IVs with ease. .50s can still knock out the turret and engine, but I haven't seen a tank actually blow up from .50s since the Panzer IV got 'toughened up".
3. M8s still pretty useless. I know, I know, thats a feature.
4. 37mm Manned Ant-'aircraft' gun can kill a Panzer from any angle, and a Tiger from the side. I would assume as an Anti Aircraft gun it would be firing HE rounds.. even if it were firing AP rounds I've got my doubt about a 37mm rounds punching through the Tigers armor (at any range) or the Panzer IVs armor at ranges of 3k+.
5a. M16 is to frail to be useful.
5b. Ostwind is to powerful to be free (I know, I know, it is a moneymaker. I don't like it, so sue me)
5c. Why not introduce something with the Ostwinds armor and the guns of an M16? Even a Pair of 20mm wouldnt be as completely dominating as the Ostwinds 37mm single hit kill gun.
6. GVs are able to hit speeds of 100+ mph if they go down a hill in nuetral. While amusing, I don't think this should be possible.
Hum, I can't think of any others, feel free to add yours here.
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and sometimes main gun rounds pass through enemy tanks without hitting them while small caliber ammo hits.
seen it often it sucks
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Originally posted by Citabria
and sometimes main gun rounds pass through enemy tanks without hitting them while small caliber ammo hits.
seen it often it sucks
I saw that last night when I was engaging a Panzer and an M-16 in a Tiger I. About 5 of my AP rounds went right through the Panzer before I finally got a kill shot and the same deal with the M-16. All my AP rounds went right through the M-16 and I finally managed to destroy it when I switched to HE rounds.
Ack-Ack
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Tiger dies to mannable 37mm firing 12oc and about 1K.
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Originally posted by moot
Tiger dies to mannable 37mm firing 12oc and about 1K.
when HT put in the mannable AAs, players stated we needed Anti Tank guns for field defence vs GVs, which we did need.
so when he put in the Mannable AA option, he made them
duel purpose, half AA gun/half anti tank gun. thats why
they kill Tanks. if u notice they are stronger then normal field ack.
regular field AA u can take multiple hits usually before dieing or losing major part of plane, but 9/10 times a mannable AA hits u, your ded outright or lose the wing/tail it hit.
whels
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Ever shot a pop can with a .22 ?
AP rounds from tank SHOULD go straight through it unless you hit an axle or engine block. You need to use HE on M3's
It has real light armor thats supposed to protect it from small arms fire, not 75mm ap,
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Anyone else ever had an AP round bounce off an M3 from 80yds. I don't suppose thats particularly realistic.
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should have known so whels, shooting it through hangars looks the same.
The 75mm that bounced off an M8 was flat angle?
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Urchin brought up a good point when he said
1. Tiger can be de-tracked by anything that shoots it long enough, and once it is detracked it may as well be dead since you can no longer aim any weapons. Apparently our Tiger is the Epileptic Mk VI Heavy Tank.
Its reasonable that a Tiger's treads shouldn't be any more armoured than an Ostwind's or Panzer's treads, but the Tiger's lack of turret traverse means that the loss of 1 tread turns it into a one-way artillery gun. This is why belonging to a squad comes in handy - you radio a squaddie to drop off some vh supplies and you're good to go (assuming he doesn't get popped on the way to the front lines where you are).
Urchin was speaking the truth when he said
2. Hispanos can still kill Panzer IVs with ease. .50s can still knock out the turret and engine, but I haven't seen a tank actually blow up from .50s since the Panzer IV got 'toughened up".
This annoys me to no end. Why should a turret be any less armoured than the hull? I can see the engine getting knocked out by shells passing through the intakes - that's understandable. I can understand a tank throwing a tread because a .50 cal knocked off a link. But why would the gun stop functioning? If anything, the turret should lose its ability to rotate and the machine gun would get knocked out, but the main gun should still work.
Urchin was speaking the truth when he said
3. M8s still pretty useless. I know, I know, thats a feature.
I haven't found a useful purpose for the M8 yet - other than chasing down M3s. I find it hard to believe that an armoured car's turret could rotate that slowly. Seems to me that the gun should pivot quicker than that.
Urchin was speaking the truth when he said
4. 37mm Manned Ant-'aircraft' gun can kill a Panzer from any angle, and a Tiger from the side. I would assume as an Anti Aircraft gun it would be firing HE rounds.. even if it were firing AP rounds I've got my doubt about a 37mm rounds punching through the Tigers armor (at any range) or the Panzer IVs armor at ranges of 3k+.
I'm glad you said that. I never cared for the 37mm anti-tank ability. If they want an antitank weapon available, HTC should make the VH more difficult to kill (how about 12 rockets instead of 8) and introduce the M7 Priest or Jagdpanther.
Urchin was speaking the truth when he said
5a. M16 is too frail to be useful.
5b. Ostwind is too powerful to be free (I know, I know, it is a moneymaker. I don't like it, so sue me)
I use the M16 as my night weapon. The gunsight makes a pretty good nightscope on pitch-black nights. Its guns are capable of de-tracking and de-turreting Ostwinds and Panzers, and can de-track and de-engine a Tiger. The downside is that everything can kill it. As for the Ostwind, I think its rate of fire makes a pretty good limiter to its ability and helps equalize the advantages that air power has in the game. If you want the Ostwind perked, then HTC should at least introduce the Wirblewind as a free GV. Otherwise, air power would be too much of a factor in the game.
Urchin was speaking the truth when he said
5c. Why not introduce something with the Ostwinds armor and the guns of an M16? Even a Pair of 20mm wouldn't be as completely dominating as the Ostwinds 37mm single hit kill gun.
You mean like a Wirblewind? Four 20mm on a Panzer III chassis. I think it'd be a great addition to the game.
Urchin was speaking the truth when he said
6. GVs are able to hit speeds of 100+ mph if they go down a hill in nuetral. While amusing, I don't think this should be possible.
I like this feature. Its a good concession to the long distances GVs have to travel to get to the target. I can understand the long climb-outs for airplanes because at least you're getting altitude out of the trip, but in a GV all you're getting is closer to the target.
Now for my gripes/ideas:
The Tiger needs an unperked nemesis, and that nemesis should be the M7 Priest. 105mm Howitzer, 11mm armour, .50cal machine gun, 26 mph top speed. Its 105mm howitzer (as opposed to the 37mm Howitzer on the M8 and the M8's 6-20mm armour) would be a great way to counteract a Tiger's weapons and armour advantage, and I believe would be a good argument to reduce the perk cost of the Tiger if the M7 were unperked.
We also need a tank with a bit more speed and the Allies need a tank in their arsenal so - why not the M4 Sherman Calliope? Its got 5 mph faster speed than the Panzer and Tiger, a smaller gun than the Panzer, thinner armour than the Panzer, but the rockets make it a good anti-building weapon. I think it would be a great addition to the game and a good alternative to the Panzer.