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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Cherlie on April 12, 2003, 06:48:18 PM
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http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/finalmeals.htm
Some of them just wanted a pot of tea.
But some of the lists and huge.
eg
Two 16 oz. ribeyes, one lb. turkey breast (sliced thin), twelve strips of bacon, two large hamburgers with mayo, onion, and lettuce, two large baked potatoes with butter, sour cream, cheese, and chives, four slices of cheese or one-half pound of grated cheddar cheese, chef salad with blue cheese dressing, two ears of corn on the cob, one pint of mint chocolate chip ice cream, and four vanilla Cokes or Mr. Pibb
and that is jsut one guy :eek:
CB
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Either a big appetite or he's hoping they'll let him finish the entire meal thereby buying time for the important call form the gov.
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If it was me just let me eat at the "Y" with my honey one last time ;)
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You know you release you're bowels when you die.
I would hate to be the guy that had to clean up after
that dude LOL.
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how bout this dude LOL
12 pieces of chicken (thighs and drumsticks), 2 double-meat cheeseburgers on toasted buns, 1 large place of brown french fries with ketchup, 2 large onions (cut in slices), 2 large tomatoes (cut in slices), 6 sweet pickles, salad dressing, 5 sliced jalapeno peppers, peach cobbler with extra crust, and milk
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They get better food than me!
What happend to punishment.
I say make them eat my ex-wifes cookin LOL they will look forward
to the death chamber.
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My wife's cooking will kill him b4 he gets to the chamber.
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this guy's request is a classic
God's saving grace, love, truth, peace and freedom
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Last meal? hmmm..
depends on how they are going to execute you.
If I were headed for the electric chair, I'd have to eat about 3 pounds of unpopped popcorn.. should be good for toejams and giggles at the autopsy.
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My Granny's Fried Chicken, mashed potatoes with cream gravy, string beans, handmade biscuits and her Blackberry cobbler. Man, I miss her and her cooking. The woman learned to cook in a covered wagon coming to Texas in the 1890's.
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Originally posted by rpm371
My Granny's Fried Chicken, mashed potatoes with cream gravy, string beans, handmade biscuits and her Blackberry cobbler. Man, I miss her and her cooking. The woman learned to cook in a covered wagon coming to Texas in the 1890's.
Oh man that makes me miss my great granny.
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Sounds like my Great-Grannie.
Pancho's Happy-Bottom Riding Club ("Rancho Del (Oro) Verde"), eh? And the "pudknocker" quote to boot!
Originally posted by rpm371
My Granny's Fried Chicken, mashed potatoes with cream gravy, string beans, handmade biscuits and her Blackberry cobbler. Man, I miss her and her cooking. The woman learned to cook in a covered wagon coming to Texas in the 1890's.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Pancho's Happy-Bottom Riding Club ("Rancho Del (Oro) Verde"), eh? And the "pudknocker" quote to boot!
Stole it from "The Right Stuff". Yeager (the REAL one)cracks me up in the bar. "You want a COKE?"(http://fusionanomaly.net/rightstuffchuckyeagercameo.jpg)
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Got it on DVD meself. When it was first released I thought Pancho's Happy Bottom Riding Club as well as the owner and proprietor were probably creative license. The DVD version has some interesting background stuff on Florence "Pancho" Barnes.
http://afftc.edwards.af.mil/history/docs_html/people/pancho_barnes_biography.html
(http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/images/portrait.jpg)
(http://afftc.edwards.af.mil/history/images/the_club.jpg)
(http://afftc.edwards.af.mil/history/images/poster.jpg)
(http://afftc.edwards.af.mil/history/images/wyeager.jpg)
(http://www.edwards.af.mil/vtour/images/photos/PANCHOthen-2_300.jpg)
Pancho Barnes’ well-known Happy Bottom Riding Club began as an alfalfa ranch which the famous aviatrix purchased in the Antelope Valley in March 1935. She began by selling pork and fresh milk to the Army troops at the East Camp. When World War II came, she built a roadhouse restaurant and bar for the pilots and officers of the growing air base. Within a few years, her establishment grew into a dude ranch for visitors and included a horse corral and barns, dance hall, motel and swimming pool, and an airstrip equipped with a tower and hangars.
Expansion of the base boundaries in the early 1950s put an end to all of that. A fire destroyed the central buildings and Pancho moved elsewhere. Pancho died in 1975, in a small house in nearby Boron.
The remains of her ranch are now part of the base’s small arms firing range, and visiting is prohibited for safety reasons. In memory of the old days, however, AFFTC personnel hold an annual barbecue on the old foundations of the club.
http://www.edwards.af.mil/vtour/docs_html/pancho.html
An article about how Roscoe Turner hated Pancho ... and why ...
http://www.publicshelter.com/flygirls/prologue/pancho.html
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so it is true that she was ugly as sin :) what a woman though
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Originally posted by Cherlie
eg
Two 16 oz. ribeyes, one lb. turkey breast (sliced thin), twelve strips of bacon, two large hamburgers with mayo, onion, and lettuce, two large baked potatoes with butter, sour cream, cheese, and chives, four slices of cheese or one-half pound of grated cheddar cheese, chef salad with blue cheese dressing, two ears of corn on the cob, one pint of mint chocolate chip ice cream, and four vanilla Cokes or Mr. Pibb
and that is jsut one guy :eek:
CB
Look where that guy is from ;)
(http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/999157.jpg)
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Wow and he got 50 bucks!!
What a tard!
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Yeah, the majority of those death row inmates are like that, killing and raping for 20 bucks. The scum.
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The really sad part is they are segregated from General Population. Would probably save a lot of time if they just stuck them in there, plus it would "enhance" their confinement experience. "You look purdy in them dungarees..."
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Statisticaly it look like that eating hamburger and french fries can be deadly ...
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Clearly, all who eat hamburgers are murderers. :)
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Originally posted by funkedup
Clearly, all who eat hamburgers are murderers. :)
Damm !
That's really a frightening stat !
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So chaps
This is a genuine question regarding sociology and culture, and before I put my inout in, I'd like to have yours.
Why do you think the US has a much higher rate of $50 dollar murderers, serial murderers, mass murderers and generally much more violent criminals than, for instance, Scandinavia?
Things worthy of considering in this context; population density, homogenous vs hetereogenous society, conservative/pious vs liberal (19th century libertarian sense) society, violence in media, repressed emotional and spiritual being, welfare programs, feeling of alienation, narcissism and self destructiveness. Of course there are more points of interests that than, but those are just the immediate ones that springs to mind.
Would like input from anyone with views with some thoughts behind and would like to keep it a non US/Euro bashing thing; am just going by the numbers for Scandinavia vs the US right now.
That said, humorous and less humorous one liners are bound to find their way here and those are of course welcome too :)
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Originally posted by StSanta
Why do you think the US has a much higher rate of $50 dollar murderers, serial murderers, mass murderers and generally much more violent criminals than, for instance, Scandinavia?
I've yet to see anything showing the US does have a higher rate of $50 murders.
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well ...
You obvioulsy have more 50$ murderer than 50£ or 50€ murderer ...
Ok I'm a bit to drunk => gonna have a rest :D
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Well, looking just at murder rates, here are the 1991 figures:
Murder rate (per 100,000 people, 1991 figures):
United States 8.40
Canada 5.45=20
Denmark 5.17
Germany 4.20
Norway 1.99
United Kingdom 1.97=20
Sweden 1.73
Japan 1.20
Finland 0.70
Source can be found here (http://www.netaxs.com/~sparky/policy/murder-rates.html)
The US had in 2000 the lowest murder rates in over 30 years - at 7.02 per 100,000 people. For Scandinavia the average is (5.17+1.99+1.73+0.70)/4 = 2.4, which is significantly lower than the US stats even for today. Danish murder rate has since '91 declined and is more in line with the other Scandinavian countries.
Perhaps more telling is the following figure:
(http://home1.stofanet.dk/stsanta/crime.jpg)
Source can be found here (http://www.killology.com/art_weap_sum_worldwide.htm)
My claim was that the US had more violent crimes or more specifically more serial murderers and impulse murders or more murders in general. I was implying that it was a more violent society - despite having the death penalty as a 'deterrent', whereas Scandinavian countries don't.
Anyway, on that table it is quite clearly visible (using the 1993 figures): US had 443 serious assauts per 100,000 people, a country like Denmark had 179. The US in other words having nearly 250% more serious assaults. Looking at murder figures:
US at 9.5 in 93, Denmark at 4.8. Even using the lowest-in-30-years 2000 figure, there's still a substantial difference.
What the figures don't show are what I call the Psycho killers and Stranger Killers. Psycho killers being serial murderers, of which this countriy hasn't seen many at all. We had a mass murderer here - a Danish national that killed his mother while in the US and then killed a potato and her two children before chopping them up and disposing of the bodies. Anyway, I've gone through those death row records and see that there are lots of people there for either killing multiple people or for raping and then killing women. This is uncommon here when compared to the US. Stranger killers is to me people who murder someone they haven't met before - a la killng after a rape, or in road rage or the like, although whether that is manslaughter or murder would depend on the DA, so never mind that.
I guess I should dig some to see if I can get comparative numbers in this regard. And as I said, I'll spare my comments on the matter until I've seen others, in order to not taint the discussion too much. I suspect however that one part of the explanation that will be put forth will be the 'race issue', as there are some works out there on that, including one made in Whitney which has been proven utterly false, but if you got other sources, post 'em.
Martlet, if you need more references or the like, ask and I'll dig some more. Just sorta in a hurry right now, so will do it a bit later if necessary.
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however, total crimes committed in 2000 per 100,000:
10,242.80 compared to the USA's 8517.19.
according to unodc.
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*note to self: Never carry anymore than $49.50*
:D
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Originally posted by Cherlie
Some of them just wanted a pot of tea.
I'm pretty sure some tea or coffee is about all my stomach could take knowing I was about to be put to death.
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I remember when the Patriots were playing the Pac in the '95' SB. I read an article how in LA. they were averaging 1.1 homocides a day. They warned people in bourbon st. not travel in certain areas. You only have to travel a few blocks to find the real bad part of town. But I think that has to do with local government addressing the problem, not the nation as a whole. Most areas of the country are quite the opposite.
To stop crime, you sometimes have to stop the elements that create crime, gambling,prostitution, drugs&alcohol. Here in Ma. we have a town called Melrose. It is a "dry town" (no packy in town). So you won't find bums walking around with bag of booze in their hand. It's up to people in the community to get involved with local officials to set policy.
That is what makes this country so great, the people have the power to change things themselves. They just have to take the time to get involved. Instead of policy being set for us.
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If it was up to me they'd get bread and water right up to the time the switch was pulled. How many of 'em do you suppose granted their victims a last request?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
To stop crime, you sometimes have to stop the elements that create crime, gambling,prostitution, drugs&alcohol. Here in Ma. we have a town called Melrose. It is a "dry town" (no packy in town).
Just what do they do for fun in Melrose? Just curious. Getting rid of crime is okay...but gambling, prostitution, drugs and alcohol? Is there anything left?
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Originally posted by Curval
Is there anything left?
Pedopohilia
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Originally posted by straffo
Pedopohilia
spoken like a true frenchman
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Originally posted by Curval
Just what do they do for fun in Melrose? Just curious. Getting rid of crime is okay...but gambling, prostitution, drugs and alcohol? Is there anything left?
Peace, prosperity, and knowing your kids can play at the park and not find a used needle or condom on the bench.
BTW, even though the lottery is considered gambling, thats' not what I was talking about. Keno pretty popular too;)
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Originally posted by funkedup
Clearly, all who eat hamburgers are murderers. :)
LOL
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Martlet, well worth noticing, aye. We have lots of bikes being stolen, breakins and so forth. I'd not categorize it as crimes that are that dangerous to me, unless I happen to be riding downhill when the bike is stolen from beneath me :)
However, it is not relevant for my question, which was oriented around violent crimes like serious assault or murder. I think it'd be hard to argue that the US isn't a violent society compared to some or even most other western societies. Perhaps the very traits that have made the USA great has a spinoff effect. Aggressiveness and a sense for adventure/daring go hand in hand, and the focus on the individual in the US might be part of the explanation.
Of course, if you need further evidence or empirical data illustrating the difference in numbers (crime rate) I can find some. Unfortunately it is much harder to find numbers for something as qualitative in nature as culture, but I can attempt to see what I can find.
I sense a certain defensiveness to your responses - as in 'better kick 'im/deflect before he hits me'. My intention isn't to kick but to spur discussion :). Perhaps I read you wrong yet in my dealings with Americans I've noticed this is a part of American culture - *always* be prepared to give an asswhooping, and never trust the other dude, coz he might be after yer horse, yer potato and yer six shooter :). So, if I've slighted you with that last bit I apologize. For now, that is, you Yankee Go Home boy :D
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Originally posted by StSanta
Martlet, well worth noticing, aye. We have lots of bikes being stolen, breakins and so forth. I'd not categorize it as crimes that are that dangerous to me, unless I happen to be riding downhill when the bike is stolen from beneath me :)
However, it is not relevant for my question, which was oriented around violent crimes like serious assault or murder. I think it'd be hard to argue that the US isn't a violent society compared to some or even most other western societies. Perhaps the very traits that have made the USA great has a spinoff effect. Aggressiveness and a sense for adventure/daring go hand in hand, and the focus on the individual in the US might be part of the explanation.
Of course, if you need further evidence or empirical data illustrating the difference in numbers (crime rate) I can find some. Unfortunately it is much harder to find numbers for something as qualitative in nature as culture, but I can attempt to see what I can find.
I sense a certain defensiveness to your responses - as in 'better kick 'im/deflect before he hits me'. My intention isn't to kick but to spur discussion :). Perhaps I read you wrong yet in my dealings with Americans I've noticed this is a part of American culture - *always* be prepared to give an asswhooping, and never trust the other dude, coz he might be after yer horse, yer potato and yer six shooter :). So, if I've slighted you with that last bit I apologize. For now, that is, you Yankee Go Home boy :D
No, I don't think it is insulting at all.
While I agree that the US violent crime rate may be higher than other nations, I don't think it is way out of the ballpark.
Further, I'd bet if research was done, I'd bet the vast majority of those crimes are being committed by immigrants. There are several organizations complaining that death row (just as an example) has a higher percentage of minorities on it, and that means our justice system is biased. Others say that is because minorities commit more crimes.
If I have time later, I'll try to find some info on the subject.
I don't know if "always be ready to administer an bellybutton whooping" is American culture.
I've always been quick with my fists, though. When someone is being completely unreasonable, you always have the option of walking away. I've always preferred to kick the crap out of them first.
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That is entirely possible Martlet. So far however, I haven't seen it in the numbers however.
Immigrants or no immigrants, people residing within the US commit these high number of violent crimes. What is somehow sickeningly interesting however is the large number of serial killers and mass murderers. I cannot help but be intrigued by the phenomenon that results in such a high number of these people.
Father says it's 'lack of mental health care combined with a feeling of alienation and failure to reach The American Dream' Perhaps there is some to it. But other suggestions are certainly possible as explanations as well. And unless other are forthcoming, I shall take it on myself to post some :)
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knock yourself out. You seem to have the desire to post something. Either that, or your trolling.
I've yet to see any facts substantiating your claims, but that's become standard procedure on these boards anyway.
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Martlet, I don't know how i can substantiate my claims in other ways than showing you the statistics.
250% higher serious assaults Comparing, say, Finland (part of Scandinavia) murder rate at 0.70 and the US all time low at 7 and the US has ten time as much - 1000 percent.
It appears that right now we're disagreeing on whether the US is more violent than some or most other western societies. My (shallow) quick-n-dirty dig for numbers do substantiate my original claim and the impetus of the discussion was not so much whether this was a fact but rather why it is a fact.
Never mind.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Martlet, I don't know how i can substantiate my claims in other ways than showing you the statistics.
250% higher serious assaults Comparing, say, Finland (part of Scandinavia) murder rate at 0.70 and the US all time low at 7 and the US has ten time as much - 1000 percent.
It appears that right now we're disagreeing on whether the US is more violent than some or most other western societies. My (shallow) quick-n-dirty dig for numbers do substantiate my original claim and the impetus of the discussion was not so much whether this was a fact but rather why it is a fact.
Never mind.
Ahhh, yes, you compare the US to Finland, then declare yourself correct. That doesn't prove your original case, or even touch upon your claim that US leads the way in mass and serial murders.
You've made up my mind, anyway. I see this was just flame bait and trolling, so I'll depart now.
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Martlet, I haven't made up my mind about anything. And i fail to see your point - again you're defensive. I said 'Scandinavian countries', did I not? Finland is part of Scandinavia. Take the average of Scandinavia and you still have around 230% higher rates in the US.
The reason I say 'never mind' is because there's such contention about established facts, along with you saying that I do not provide references, despite me having them in the post you reply to. This has lead me to believe that you either haven't read my reply with the attention and open mindedness needed for a healthy, fun discussion or that you've dug in and now is defending your ditch, wherever it may be located.
So, in the interest of remaining civil and parting if not friends then at least with mutual respect, I think we'd just call it quits here. of course I'd be more than willing to debate it if it was in a discussion friendly environment, but experience has lead me to understand that if the premise of a discussion cannot be agreed upon, then little good will come out of the whole deal.
I I troll, I make it one-posters. There's no need to distrust me to such a degree. While I as you have had lots of experiences with people who troll or yank yer chain just for a response, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.
I'll go through some literature to find more references. Trolls usually are first a reference followed by an inflaming comment that totally misinterprets the original information. But does so in a way that possibly maybe can be construed as being logical. Will try to avoid that. Other than that, if we fail to agree on the premise of the discussion, it is wiser to let the topic rest.
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Easy. I'd have 5 Irish Car Bombs (http://www.barmeister.com/cgi-bin/drink.view.pl?drink=797) like Bully's makes.
I'd laugh all the way to the execution.
Try one sometime, you'll understand.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Easy. I'd have 5 Irish Car Bombs (http://www.barmeister.com/cgi-bin/drink.view.pl?drink=797) like Bully's makes.
I'd laugh all the way to the execution.
Try one sometime, you'll understand.
Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited by TDCJ policy.
You could always ask for a couple litres of mouthwash to drink. Sure, it contains poisonous denatured alcohol, but it would sufficiently elevate your blood alcohol level to cause you to spontaneously combust when they fry you.
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Eddie Johnson #99236 murdered a coworker and friend. It's a little different when you know a case versus just looking at statistics. It won't bring him back but nonetheless a fitting punishment in my opinion.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statistics/deathrow/drowlist/johnsone.jpg
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Damn Username, no CarBombs? I just won't kill anyone now. Seems like inhuman treatment.
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On May 22, 2001 in Houston, Flores took a family member's car without permission. The incident was reported to law enforcement. A 35 year old white male Harris County deputy pursued Flores. While the deputy was applying handcuffs to Flores, Flores shot the deputy in the head using a gun that Flores had concealed, resulting in the deputy's death.
On 12/04/2000 in Houston, Will, who was attempting to burglarize a vehicle, was being chased by a white male police officer. Once the officer reached Will and attempted to apply restraints to him, Will shot the officer seven times in the head, resulting in the officer's death.
While on escape from TDCJ, Newbury and 6 co-defendants robbed a sporting goods store at gunpoint. An Irving police officer was murdered outside the store as Newbury and co-defendants left the scene.
On 10/11/2000, in San Antonio, Maxwell and 2 co-defendants, fatally shot an Hispanic male Bexar County Deputy Sheriff and dumped his body behind a strip mall.
Out of 6 I checked on that list rogwar. These bastards deserve worse than what they're getting in my opinion.
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Reading about those people and the crimes they have been judged to have done is the strongest argument in favour of the death penalty, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
To stop crime, you sometimes have to stop the elements that create crime, gambling,prostitution, drugs&alcohol..
All those things you mentioned are basic needs, which create crime when they are run by criminals.
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Yep mora, the prohibition in the US should speak clearly on the matter.