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Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Furious on April 13, 2003, 10:23:56 PM
I used to be against forced map rotation, but since trinity has pretty much been up for last 2 months and I havent seen ueterus nor mindy for a loooong time, I have changed my mind.

Make each map last 5 full days, no matter how many times it is reset or if it hasn't been won yet.

I beieve we have 6 maps, and this would give us 5 full days of each per month.


F.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Octavius on April 13, 2003, 10:42:49 PM
I second that motion :)  

I am a fan of Trinity, but I want some variety... I miss Uterus :(
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: MRPLUTO on April 13, 2003, 10:54:09 PM
Yes, I agree, too.

*******

Also, I thought there were one or two other maps for the MA under development.  True or false?  And if true, are they near being ready?

MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: dracon on April 13, 2003, 11:22:31 PM
Good Call!!  Agree
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: AKcurly on April 13, 2003, 11:46:29 PM
Yes, I agree (and said so many times.)  After X days (5 sounds good), rotate the map.  If there's been no reset, cool, no one wins the war.

curly
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: cobia38 on April 14, 2003, 12:26:11 AM
Yes good idea.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: JensK on April 14, 2003, 02:08:05 AM
Do you mean that when a map is won, the same map comes
up again within the 5 days?
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: AKcurly on April 14, 2003, 03:25:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JensK
Do you mean that when a map is won, the same map comes
up again within the 5 days?


That's certainly not what I meant - not sure about Furious.  If a map is reset in an hour, we move on to the next map; if it's not reset in 5 days, we move on to the next map.

I think a majority of AH participants believe "Trinity" is our best map.  However, when you have to fly the same map day in, day out, it gets really old, especially with the large distances between fields.

We used to have the same map for a month, but we had far fewer participants and short distances between fields.  And, we're used to rapid turnover in maps.

If we continue as we have in the past, all of us are going to have "Trinity Burnout" and that's a shame.

curly
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: xbrit on April 14, 2003, 03:40:45 AM
I agree with the rotation periods rather than developing a lack of interest due to one dominant map.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Joc on April 14, 2003, 05:43:20 AM
Agree!!!:D
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Pepe on April 14, 2003, 05:49:03 AM
I like this Idea.

5 days sounds quite good, although a little longer would not be bad, IMHO....like 7 or 10 days.

If a map is reset, then next one would be up.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: straffo on April 14, 2003, 05:57:09 AM
A timed map reset would be good...

btw I don't mind if Pepe stay stuck alone in the former map :D (*)












(*) blahhhh pepe ;)
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: gatso on April 14, 2003, 06:23:17 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MRPLUTO

Also, I thought there were one or two other maps for the MA under development.  True or false?  And if true, are they near being ready?


True.

One of em would be ready a lot faster if anyone wants to give me a hand :D

A pic of current progress (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stant.family/Aceshigh/flakey.jpg)
and another (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stant.family/99thastag/flakey.jpg)

Gatso
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: gatso on April 14, 2003, 06:24:15 AM
dbl post
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: lazs2 on April 14, 2003, 07:55:44 AM
I think he meant that if the map is reset before 5 days are up then it is simply used again until it's 5 days are up.
lazs
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Furious on April 14, 2003, 10:47:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JensK
Do you mean that when a map is won, the same map comes
up again within the 5 days?


Yes.  Too often some of the maps are reset so quickly, many don't get a chance to see them.

That is why I think we should get 5 full days for each map.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Kanth on April 14, 2003, 11:12:51 AM
Yes, 3 years of trinity is quite enough..
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: SlapShot on April 14, 2003, 12:00:00 PM
Agree with the timed reset ... LOVE Trinity but ...

Reset with something larger than 5 days tho. Also, agree with curly, if map is reset due to time there is no winner.

If this were to be put in place, it will be interesting to see what type of action will be taking place on the last day and within the last 12 hours of the timed reset and nobody is really close to a reset.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: NoBaddy on April 14, 2003, 12:14:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kanth
Yes, 3 years of trinity is quite enough..


LOL...in the immortal words of Bartles & James...Thank you for your support :D.

I suggest that maps be rotated every 2 weeks. Have 4 'groups'.

1 Isles/Baltic
2 AK Desert
3 Uterus/Mindanao
4 Trinity

No perks for HTC resets (you are 1 field away from a reset when HTC resets the terrain...tuff nuggies...get over it...move on :))
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: snocone on April 14, 2003, 12:16:16 PM
if anyone cares, i to agree. love all the maps, trinity is great, but this is too much of a good thing. i flew for 6 hours in the ct yesterday because i am currently trinityed out. 5 days sounds good to me.
also...
THANK YOU GATSO!!!
it was very nice to see development of a new map. that one looks like fun. you said you were looking for help. i would like to help but i am an idiot when it comes to this new fangled computer stuff. what type of help do you need? i can try. this is the best game going, and i would like to give back to the community
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Kanth on April 14, 2003, 01:01:20 PM
Sorry NB, my joke was that the more people talk about trinity not being reset it seems like the longer they decide it's been on.

first guy complains on day 1 that trinity has been the map for 5 days now.

next guy complains on day 2 that trinity has been the map for 5 weeks

next guy complains on day 3 that trinity has been the map for 5 years..

it's like a fish story...

I just thot it was funny, no offense to your map :p

Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy
LOL...in the immortal words of Bartles & James...Thank you for your support :D.

I suggest that maps be rotated every 2 weeks. Have 4 'groups'.

1 Isles/Baltic
2 AK Desert
3 Uterus/Mindanao
4 Trinity

No perks for HTC resets (you are 1 field away from a reset when HTC resets the terrain...tuff nuggies...get over it...move on :))
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Frost on April 14, 2003, 01:02:03 PM
I agree with a 5 day maximum, but I think that when a map is won that a new map is rotated in immediately.  

Most times when a map is reset there are two countries hitting the losing country pretty hard.  The losing country also has people logging off due to lack of places to fly from.  If the same map comes back up then you will probably see two countries continue to pound on the country that just lost because that's where their momentum has been.  With a scenery change there is a better chance that countries will start fresh fights on all fronts.  We tend to see this even with maps rotating because the losing country is low on people because of the reset.  I just think it will be worse if the same map pops back up.  Just my opinion.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: wetrat on April 14, 2003, 01:13:48 PM
You have my  signature
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: MRPLUTO on April 14, 2003, 03:22:15 PM
Gatso,

I really like what you're doing, and would help except I am a computer moron and cannot figure out how to use the terrain editor.  This bothers me, since I'm not actually stupid and can usually figure things out eventually.  But not the terrain editor.  And yes, I have read the directions! :D

I noticed the file name on your map was "flaky", so it occured to me you might still need a name.  If so, may I suggest "Atlantis"?

Your work is very much appreciated!:)

MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Sixpence on April 14, 2003, 03:26:18 PM
Sounds like a plan
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: RacrX on April 14, 2003, 03:28:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Frost
I agree with a 5 day maximum, but I think that when a map is won that a new map is rotated in immediately.  


Agreed, the damn uterus map would get reset dozens of times if it was stickied for 5 days.  :p
Title: A minimum and a maximum
Post by: Samiam on April 14, 2003, 03:43:46 PM
People like various things about the various terrains - it's too bad when they are reset in a few hours.

How about a 36hr minimum (during which if there's a reset the same map is used), combined with a 100hr maximum (at which time there's an auto reset to the next map)?
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Wilfrid on April 14, 2003, 04:25:08 PM
Gatso, it looks good!

I suggest the name 'Cookie' :)
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Boozer on April 14, 2003, 05:51:25 PM
Eh, a map is a map, hmm my pixels say 2k instead of 1k, that pixel is green now.. *shrug*

 The only map I have a problem with is Mindanao, as pretty as it is I'm sure everyone agrees it's unbalanced and should really be removed from the rotation, nothing ruins the game play more than an invincible start position for one country. ND Isles isn't much better for balance either.

 I'm sure some folks are guessing that Trinity can only be reset in the south, but that's more of a monkey-see monkey-do reaction from all these lunk-heads.

Booz
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: NoBaddy on April 14, 2003, 06:06:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kanth
Sorry NB, my joke was that the more people talk about trinity not being reset it seems like the longer they decide it's been on.

first guy complains on day 1 that trinity has been the map for 5 days now.

next guy complains on day 2 that trinity has been the map for 5 weeks

next guy complains on day 3 that trinity has been the map for 5 years..

it's like a fish story...

I just thot it was funny, no offense to your map :p


Kanth...

:D I know..because I asked. According to the GHMM of AH, Trinity has yet to last a full 3 weeks...unless it had a forced reset by HTC (the first 10 days it was up HTC reset it 6 times).
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: NoBaddy on April 14, 2003, 06:32:45 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Boozer
I'm sure some folks are guessing that Trinity can only be reset in the south, but that's more of a monkey-see monkey-do reaction from all these lunk-heads.

Booz


Booz...

I personally think the Southern resets are due to gravity. (no...really...I'm serious :D) We are raised in gravity and down is most always percieved as the easiest path. I have a feeling that if I rotate Trinity 90 degs and put the western country in the south, that it would be the 'easiest to reset'.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: gatso on April 14, 2003, 07:22:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy

...We are raised in gravity and down is most always percieved as the easiest path...


Otherwise known as

"**** always flows downhill" :D

Gatso
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Kanth on April 14, 2003, 11:59:45 PM
Okay :D

Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy
Kanth...

:D I know..because I asked. According to the GHMM of AH, Trinity has yet to last a full 3 weeks...unless it had a forced reset by HTC (the first 10 days it was up HTC reset it 6 times).
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: tatertot on April 15, 2003, 12:09:43 AM
ecellant idea
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: WineMan on April 15, 2003, 06:03:26 PM
Good idea.
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: mia389 on April 16, 2003, 05:43:02 AM
I am so for that I goto H2H now when trinity is on.. im burned out with trinity. seems its Trinity 1month other maps 3 or 4 days back to trinity and starts all over again. Gatso map looks great cant wait. Have 1 question though is there 15k mountains like Trinity in it?
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Scootter on April 16, 2003, 01:58:06 PM
Yep to this


(punt)
Title: Map Rotation: A Change of Heart
Post by: Booky on April 17, 2003, 05:24:35 AM
Hell a 5 day limit on the map might jsut get me flying more. On the other hand, don't impose the limit, I been having fun with all my extra time off the pc.