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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on April 14, 2003, 06:36:43 AM
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Rather than try, yet again, in vain to explain to a Yank that calling someone a Euro like it's a dirty word isnt exactly the most intelligent insult on the planet simply because so many different people can claim to be European.........instead I renounce all claims to being a Euro / European / Continentalist / etc......not that I ever claimed to be European in a particularly loud voice anyway.......
I'm NOT a Euro.
I'm British (and proud of it).
Now that that's all sorted out feel free to carry on insulting the Euro's as you see fit......although I'm sure more than a few may start to point out that they are in fact not a "Euro" but Dutch / Belgian / Spanish / Italian / etc.
See....you guys dont care what State you're from, it doesnt matter cos you're all Americans.......same flag, same language, same leader.
It aint like that in Europe......
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I'm not British either !
:D
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Having moved about most of my life, I don't feel attached to any country in particular. ('xcept if we talk Beer). Don't look here for any patriotism for one piece of soil or another... they all smell differently, but taste the same. I've had to pay taxes everywhere I went too.
"Yurop" is good for transactions & business exchanges here, but that's about it.
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A lot of the lumping is a result of Germany and France presenting themselves as the voice of Europe without a lot of objection.
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Originally posted by Fatty
...without a lot of objection...
This one is false
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I am NOT a European either.
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European, I'm a peein', we're all a peein'.
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"See....you guys dont care what State you're from, it doesnt matter cos you're all Americans.......same flag, same language, same leader.
It aint like that in Europe...... "
Not yet.
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will be soon...in about 20 years the euro will be the most powerfull currency on earth and the states will be in a state of anarchy...
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Swoop, you are a European; you have a Euro pass.
Up to anything for Konninersdag?
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Originally posted by vorticon
will be soon...in about 20 years the euro will be the most powerfull currency on earth and the states will be in a state of anarchy...
*eye roll*
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heya swoop... does dowding live in the european section of england? cause he says he's european...
lazs
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but he also says hes gay. "dont believe him! he has no control! even over himself!" :D
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I am an European. You see, being related to the space industry here in Europe gives you another perspective. I'm used to talking to people from France, Germany, Italy, UK, Austria (... the list goes on) and working as a team.
Do I feel European? You bet.
Takeda, I may have to borrow your avatar to make my point clear ;)
One thing is who powers that be want to align with, other is how individiuals feel. I, myself, feel that way.
Daniel
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i don't see myself as a european. But then again Britain as a whole seems somewhat reluctant to be fully involved in europe (refusing to join the euro, single military force etc.) i remember when the channel tunnel was built there were some protests, because they considered it joining mainland europe.
I think britain has so much more in common with Canada, USA, Australia and i would much rather Britain be associated with them, rather than europe
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I live in Europe and also England. Weird, eh?
I work with several nationalities at work too. Mainly British but a lot of French, a few Germans. I go on holiday to Europe mainly, I sometimes go to Malaga for a day on the beach and I once went to Barcelona just for a saturday night.
I consider myself European. But I also consider myself British - the two aren't mutually exclusive to me.
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I think britain has so much more in common with Canada, USA, Australia and i would much rather Britain be associated with them, rather than europe
Apart from the 89% of trade done with the continent, you mean?
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so... you can see why we have trouble understanding? You guys don't understand it yourself.
lazs
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i didnt mean it like that dowding, i just think (dont slate me on my opinions) we stand politically and have more in common with them. I didnt mean in terms of trade.
But then - im young and stupid :D
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I'm not slating your opinions; I was just challenging the facts on which they are based.
We may have more in common with Canada, Australia and the US (after all we founded them), but I think the last 50 years has ironed out many of the differences that obstructed further integration. Vive la difference, mais sur bien (;)), but I think what divides us is small in comparison to what we share.
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Originally posted by Fatty
A lot of the lumping is a result of Germany and France presenting themselves as the voice of Europe without a lot of objection.
UK, France and Germany has the most influence in europe.
Italy and Spain are also quite big on that, but they usually only care about whats going on within EU.
Most of europe did not agree with Bush's ideas, so it was easy for Germany and France to get out and speak.
Some goverments are "for the war", but majority of citizens didn't agree with it.
Spain being good example of this.
It's pathetically sad what all anti-germany/france stuff this has created in US when they don't agree with the war.
They are their own nations and US doesn't have one bit of a voice there to tell what to do.
They act for the good of their own interests, like the US.
If thats bad.. well.. too bad.. I don't agree with lots of things US does, but I'm not exactly reacting the same way US population is.
"Freedom fries" haa haa..
and some faults european forum chatters as anti-american :p
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Originally posted by Fishu
UK, France and Germany has the most influence in europe.
Italy and Spain are also quite big on that, but they usually only care about whats going on within EU.
Most of europe did not agree with Bush's ideas, so it was easy for Germany and France to get out and speak.
Some goverments are "for the war", but majority of citizens didn't agree with it.
Spain being good example of this.
It's pathetically sad what all anti-germany/france stuff this has created in US when they don't agree with the war.
They are their own nations and US doesn't have one bit of a voice there to tell what to do.
They act for the good of their own interests, like the US.
If thats bad.. well.. too bad.. I don't agree with lots of things US does, but I'm not exactly reacting the same way US population is.
"Freedom fries" haa haa..
and some faults european forum chatters as anti-american :p
ahhh, but the anti-american sentiment in France is ok?
I get it now.
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It's pathetically sad what all anti-germany/france stuff this has created in US when they don't agree with the war.
It has nothing to do with not agreeing with the war. It has to do with the fact that even when they knew the US was going to war, they still did everything they could to make the war as militarily costly as possible. For example using Turkey's desire to join the EU as leverage against allowing the US to use Turkey as a base of operations. Combine that with the fact that most Americans don't believe that the French, German, and Russian governments were acting out of a genuine interest in peace, and you can see why Americans do not consider these governments to be friendly.
And the anti-American movements in Europe make the anti-European sentiment in America look pathetic in comparison, maybe that's what you are getting at.
ra
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I'm not a Yank! I'm a Texan, and proud of it!
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So while saying that France and Germany are not Europe you are saying that the speak for Europe's concerns. Which is it Fishu?
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I dont understand where you see all this Anti-Americanism.
Being here, I dont see all this hate you are accusing us to have.
Yes, there are some, a little percentage, as in the rest of the world, but nothing more than the average in western countries.
Well.... if you consider "disagreeing" as "being Anti", "critics" as "Enemies".... it's another matter.
Still a little number, tho.
You know?
You will be surprised that the bigger group is....
the "dont care/no opinion" group! :)
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I see far more anti-european comments, especially low-class name calling 'euro trash' etc. coming from the americans of this board.
For the europeans it's enough to disagree with the american policy on the war, or (even funnyer) disagree with the personal opinnion of some US poster to be labeled liberal and anti-american.
Ever since France decided not to support US war plans, the media in the US started releasing columns that were strongly against France and that molded the general opinnion of the US people amazingly fast it seems. From ally to the second worst enemy after Saddam.. It's hilarious really.
If you guys would know something about France, you'd realise they're not anti-american.. They're anti-anything outside France. They've always been.
They're proud of thier heritage and they fight to conserve it with the influx of American mass media and products.
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Originally posted by Swoop
See....you guys dont care what State you're from, it doesnt matter cos you're all Americans.......same flag, same language, same leader.
Wrong again ;).....never let it be said that I want to be lumped into the same group with a bunch of TEXANS!!:D :p
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They're proud of thier heritage and they fight to conserve it with the influx of American mass media and products.
Perhaps they don't realise that no American products can be imported unless someone over there buys them.
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Vould you like to take ze ride in mein Euro-tank Renee?
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
I am an European. You see, being related to the space industry here in Europe gives you another perspective. I'm used to talking to people from France, Germany, Italy, UK, Austria (... the list goes on) and working as a team.
Do I feel European? You bet.
Wow... here at work I have Irish, Canadians, Taiwanese, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Spanish, Russian, Lithuanian, British, German, Indian and Romanian all working within 50 feet of my desk.
We call that being American.
MiniD
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we have alot of japanese people at my work..
I guess that makes me european too!
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Originally posted by Mini D
Wow... here at work I have Irish, Canadians, Taiwanese, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Spanish, Russian, Lithuanian, British, German, Indian and Romanian all working within 50 feet of my desk.
We call that being American.
MiniD
I believe you missed my point. I don't have them working by my side. I mean everyone working in their countries, but everyone feeling part of their own countries and part of Europe as well.
Daniel
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I'm British... I don't like Europe because of all the stupid politics.
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How I'd like to see the Euro flag
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Originally posted by Swoop
See....you guys dont care what State you're from, it doesnt matter cos you're all Americans.......same flag, same language, same leader.
damnit now listen here mr. EUROman :D I'm a Texan, get it? TEXAN! :D
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Isn't that the northern mexican state that wants to be a southern US state? ;)
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
I believe you missed my point. I don't have them working by my side. I mean everyone working in their countries, but everyone feeling part of their own countries and part of Europe as well.
Daniel
Ummmm... you said working as a team. I didn't misundestand what you said, you changed it midstream.
I know what that is like. In America we have those cultures without the bounds of the country's border. I think that is what you fail to understand.
I don't have a problem with French Citizens, nor Europeans in general. I do have a serious problem with the current attitude of the French government (among others) and the overal sense on this board that most of the European contingent supports many of their views regarding the U.S. I have a tendancy to see that view as spitefull and unfounded, at the same time listening to most Europeans accusing America as having spitefull and unfounded views of them. Quite the ironic situation.
So far neither side has been willing to even remotely concede their position, while calling the other arrogant and pigheaded. Nearest I can tell that translates to mean "I don't have to budge, if you were more mature you'd realize you should be the one budging". It reminds me of a bunch of teenages girls.
So... I guess discussing it is pretty much a moot point. The better solution would be to change behavior rather than criticize others for theirs. Take me for example... I'm a saint.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Swoop
See....you guys dont care what State you're from, it doesnt matter cos you're all Americans.......same flag, same language, same leader.
It aint like that in Europe......
It ain't in TEXAS (http://www.dontmesswithtexas.org/rpm/airfo112.rpm) either, Bub!
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I know someone that went to London over Christmas...
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Originally posted by Dowding
Isn't that the northern mexican state that wants to be a southern US state? ;)
He donna wanna admit some of his fav things are from texas.;)
I been all over texas as a young man and cant recall a texan I didnt like.
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Kinda funny; really.
When i'm ripping france a new brown eye in a post i do not envison straffo, i envision chirac.
when i'm pounding on a blitz post, it's shroeders bellybutton i'm kicking. (who am i kidding.. blitz needs an bellybutton whuppin)
when i'm tearing up a liberal pencildick on the boards, i envision califonia's diane finestein. when it's a NY sweetheartbag democrat under my guns, it's dinkins...
don't even ask about what i think of when i visualize texacans.
;)
Look if yer from across the pond and yer feeling a lil heat from our BBQ's.. ask yourself.. are you blitz or chirac? is that where yer heads at? if it is, then yer eurotrash.
please dont take personal offence at the shotgun pattern euphenisims we irrevernet amuurricans use, free citizens of enlightened europe!.. , we kick our own dumbocrats, republiqueers, liberals, libertatrian twits, trailertrash racists and treehuggers just as hard and untill very recently, a hell of a lot more often.
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Great being from a country that covers a whole continent and is totally surrounded by oceans, only thing on our borders are fish :)
A lot of Euros, Americans, Asians, Africans, Polinesians.....God help us, even New Zealanders here....we are all Aussies though.
Makes it hard to understand why the whole world cant just get along...we do it here, have done for 200 years, so you cant tell me it doesnt work.
Granted, theres only 20 million or so of us, that may have a bit to do with it.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Kinda funny; really.
When i'm ripping france a new brown eye in a post i do not envison straffo, i envision chirac.
It's sad :(
At first I thought I was famous and a celebrity in New Jersey ...
Pffff life is hard ... I'm back to anonimity ;)
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Ich bin eine berliner: "Jelly donut" Not.
France, Germany and Russia better sh*t or get off the pot.
JFK said: forgive your enemies but NEVER FORGET THEIR NAMES.
CIAO
--Osage
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What's the saying Swoop... barbarians start at Calais? :)
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Originally posted by Stang
What's the saying Swoop... barbarians start at Calais? :)
Sure but on which side of the channel ? :D
smillie got stuck in the keyboard.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
......hard to understand why the whole world cant just get along...we do it here, have done for 200 years, so you cant tell me it doesnt work.
Pah. Small time.
We've had wars that have lasted longer than that.
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Originally posted by Stang
What's the saying Swoop... barbarians start at Calais? :)
The Man who Would be King is the best movie of all time.
The "barbarians." LOL
Come come, the n****** start at Calais.
Kipling was right as rain.
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Look if yer from across the pond and yer feeling a lil heat from our BBQ's.. ask yourself.. are you blitz or chirac? is that where yer heads at? if it is, then yer eurotrash
What about if you're an ally that wants in no part to be associated with the mean spirited hate so displayed?
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Originally posted by Seeker
Look if yer from across the pond and yer feeling a lil heat from our BBQ's.. ask yourself.. are you blitz or chirac? is that where yer heads at? if it is, then yer eurotrash
What about if you're an ally that wants in no part to be associated with the mean spirited hate so displayed?
Hmm, we'll probably let you slide, then. Just don't stand to close. We wouldn't want any collateral flaming.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Pah. Small time.
We've had wars that have lasted longer than that.
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What I mean Swoop, is that there are people from just about everywhere in the world living here, quite often, we have communities of folks living with and among people who are from a country that it is at war with their own....Serbs and Croats living side by side, Indians and Pakistanis, Koreans and Japanese,Cambodians, Vietnamese, Thais, Chinese...hey we even have Kurds, Sunni , Shi'ites etc....and they all seem to get along reasonably well here..at least they dont have open hostility toward each other.
Now, if that is possible here, and has been done for at least a century, why the hell isnt it possible wherever they came from?
OK, so the countries I listed may not be at war with each other now, but at the very least there is barely concealed hostility in most cases.
I'm not seeking answers here really, and I'm not saying that Australia is all that is wonderfull (pssst...it IS pretty damn close though ;) Im just saying that growing up in Australia, and witnessing first hand a very diverse cross section of cultures existing in harmony, it is hard to get to grips with why it is so difficult to achieve the same in the native lands of those cultures.
People are strange eh?