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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mini D on April 14, 2003, 03:45:34 PM
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Do you think your leaders would establish lines/fronts to protect your population, or use your population to protect your military?
MiniD
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This question is moot where some of us are armed better than our military;)
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alot of iraqis owned their own ak47s. didnt protect them from saddam.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
alot of iraqis owned their own ak47s. didnt protect them from saddam.
ak47? bah! Wait till they see my potato gun!
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Okay so were they protecting the military or was the military protecting them?
I was unclear on your answer.
Originally posted by Frogm4n
alot of iraqis owned their own ak47s. didnt protect them from saddam.
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he meant the armed civillians (ak47's) didn't help defeat the invaders (Americans)
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I dare say the USA is probably the LAST place on this Planet that will be invaded. You see we DO have WMD...and plenty of them! Didn't we invent this game?
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Ah... "wmd" isn't the problem... its the people who poses them.
No propaganda involved here as even the "Minister of Information" was admitting to asking the population of Iraq to do whatever was necessary against the armed invaders.
Basically, why would saddam hide his military in the populas and then ask that populas to sacrifice themselves instead? Seems operation "Civilian Shield" wasn't that much of a success, though it did slow things down enough to allow the military personel to escape.
MiniD
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I think the answer is directly proportional to how much the people like their leader. (to minids question)
Originally posted by Wlfgng
he meant the armed civillians (ak47's) didn't help defeat the invaders (Americans)
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Speaking for the U.S. We'd 'Nuke' everyone....:p
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speaking of the US , you don't have to "invade" , you can just walk/ride/fly in, everyone (almost) is wellcome.
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ak47? bah! Wait till they see my potato gun!
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you still using the basic potato gun? or have you upgraded to my egg-sabot? egg's will get about 150% distance and much stabler trajectory. nicer payload too.
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We use Germany and Belgium as bufferzone
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You might be an American if any of the following are applicable:
1) Your personal arsenal includes at least one anti-tank weapon.
2) It would take an invading army three years to fight through your town.
3) You'll run of food before you run out of ammunition.
4) You've toyed with the thought of invading small South American countries.
5) Civil defense? If it moves and ain't ours, shoot it -or- if it floats and doesn't say "quack", sink it.
6) The calibers of your guns read like a wine list, .22, .30, .38, .45, .50...
7) The government has requested that you remove the 20MM cannon from your Piper Cub.
8) You believe the right to bear arms includes tactical nuclear weapons.
9) You feel that deer season is too short, and have invented several other animal hunting seasons; cat season, for example.
10) You'd die deciding which gun to reach for in the event of an emergency.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
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ak47? bah! Wait till they see my potato gun!
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you still using the basic potato gun? or have you upgraded to my egg-sabot? egg's will get about 150% distance and much stabler trajectory. nicer payload too.
Haven't played with one in over 20 years. North shore road ran through my back yard, we used to try to hit the MBTA busses. We weren't the sharpest tools in the shed.Lol, it's a good thing we didn't know about the egg gun. Do you have to hard boil them?
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neg. hard boiling would ruin the effect.
we cut a styrofoam cylinder to fit the barrel, then split it down the middle, and hollowed it to fit a large egg by painting gasoline onto the inside of the foam (gas melts it, you paint it where you want the oam to go away).
you end up with a 2 part sabot to go over your egg, open on the front kinda like a hollow-point shell. you glue a round peice of cardboard onto one half and attach the 2 halves with a couple inches of string. then you glue a little foam-rubber onto the cardboard (to cushon the take off) and another piece of cardboard (so the foam doesn't burn).
when you fire it (big end first flys better) the sabot comes apart right after leaving the barrel and lands about 25' away (conveniently together thanks to the string) so you can retrieve it and use it for the next shot.
all the power on take off as a spud but much less drag in the air.
btw- I am so damn glad there are no kids around here that have half the ideas we had as kids
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Lol, that's brilliant!
P.S. I'm glad I didn't have half the ideas you did:D
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
btw- I am so damn glad there are no kids around here that have half the ideas we had as kids
You mean like Bottle Rocket vs Roman Candle War? I still bear the scar of a Roman Candle ambush...HOOO-AH!:D
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I'd give you some of my more extream ideas but my kid sometimes reads this board.
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The Danish government would most likely drink itself stupidly drunk and order all Danes to do the same.
Then we'd sing songs and use the guns to plonk the empty bottles.
Bet a 20mm cannon could do that nicely
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Originally posted by rpm371
You mean like Bottle Rocket vs Roman Candle War? I still bear the scar of a Roman Candle ambush...HOOO-AH!:D
Lol, they used to be somewhat civil till they came out with those thunder sticks( roman candles that shoot mini m80's)
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As long as Frenchy is deported before the invasion, we stand a 100% chance of winning without one POW in our homeland.
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We used to take a pipe and cap the end. Pour a cup of water down the open end and pound in a wooden plug. Then you put the 'capped' end in a campfire and raised the pipe to a 45 degree angle and you wait......
Wow....! was that fun......:p
(Disclamer: Do not attempt this procedure unless you are a Professional Steam Fitter.)
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
neg. hard boiling would ruin the effect.
we cut a styrofoam cylinder to fit the barrel, then split it down the middle, and hollowed it to fit a large egg by painting gasoline onto the inside of the foam (gas melts it, you paint it where you want the oam to go away).
you end up with a 2 part sabot to go over your egg, open on the front kinda like a hollow-point shell. you glue a round peice of cardboard onto one half and attach the 2 halves with a couple inches of string. then you glue a little foam-rubber onto the cardboard (to cushon the take off) and another piece of cardboard (so the foam doesn't burn).
when you fire it (big end first flys better) the sabot comes apart right after leaving the barrel and lands about 25' away (conveniently together thanks to the string) so you can retrieve it and use it for the next shot.
all the power on take off as a spud but much less drag in the air.
btw- I am so damn glad there are no kids around here that have half the ideas we had as kids
As owner of multiple tater guns I humbly thank you for this new contrivance. This weekend I will launch a few dozen.
Heh
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If my country were to be invaded, the military would not be stationed in civilian areas with HQ's in hospitals. The enemy would, however, find THIS "civilian" with the soldiers on the front line. The troops wouldn't be in civilian areas but some of us civilians would definately be in military areas.
You may now return to your previous thread hijack. :D
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This weekend I will launch a few dozen.
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don't forget to color them. It'll be Easter.
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Heh Maverick; I bet I can snipe more enemies than you can.
EAT MY DUST ex-copper! :D
Seriously, I agree with yer sentiment. If I couldn't flee the fighting (I ain't a brave man, I'll leg it if I can), then I'd rather have the illusion of being in control, of doing something, rather than be at the mercy of invading troops. I suspect you feel the same, no? Except maybe not about the running bit. Mostly because of your knee :D
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Originally posted by StSanta
Heh Maverick; I bet I can snipe more enemies than you can.
EAT MY DUST ex-copper! :D
Seriously, I agree with yer sentiment. If I couldn't flee the fighting (I ain't a brave man, I'll leg it if I can), then I'd rather have the illusion of being in control, of doing something, rather than be at the mercy of invading troops. I suspect you feel the same, no? Except maybe not about the running bit. Mostly because of your knee :D
Which is exactly why America is the world's superpower, and is going to remain there for some time.
For most of us, fleeing wouldn't be our first choice.
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The leaders of my country would hop the first flight to Switzerland to avail themselves of the funds they have "collected" during their tenure.
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Martlet, then Americans as a collective group are much braver than I am. :). I enjoy pseudo-dangerous things such as skydiving, rock climbing and advanced scuba diving - but I am quite certain I wouldn't find the idea of getting shot at as particularly appealing.
I'd rather live freely in Sweden than die fighting Germans in Denmark.
Heh, if the choice was between freedom and non freedom, the matter would be different. But to die for an arbitrary piece of land when I don't have to? Nah. The soul and culture of a nation is inside the people, not on some speck of land, IMHO.
Hm, I'd die in an attempt to remain free, yes. If I can be free without risking my life, I'll let the professionals do their bit - in case of war I'm not a soldier but a medic by training. That'd still mean I'd get shot at I suppose, but I dunno if you can call it 'fighting' in a war?
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If I can be free without risking my life,
wow.. that, right there, is where we're worlds apart.
LIVE FREE OR DIE
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what the hell is advanced scuba diving?
I've been an NASDS intructor for years, and I've never heard of advanced scuba diving.
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So... some lighthearted responses and some actual insight.
It seems to me most countries would either fight to the death or realize the hoplessness and act accordingly.
It just seems the idea of insisting on martyring your civilians while the military hides and the leaders flee is about as barbaric as anything I've ever seen. Even Germany's sweep through Europe didn't involve this particular behavior. Either fights were fought, or surenders were made. Never did a government just abandon its people WHILE asking them to fight to the death.
Just a side observation from this war.
MiniD
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what the hell is advanced scuba diving?
wonder if he meant Instructor Diver, or Cave Diver, etc...
only things I know of besides like Seal training or something.. lol
maybe he meant "Advanced Open Water" which is, as you know, basically just Open Water .. heh
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
wonder if he meant Instructor Diver, or Cave Diver, etc...
only things I know of besides like Seal training or something.. lol
maybe he meant "Advanced Open Water" which is, as you know, basically just Open Water .. heh
speaking of which, I haven't been in awhile. Maybe I'll do a night dive tonight. The water is getting warmer, so maybe things are moving back into shallower water.
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drool... ok.. so that's the one thing we need.. an ocean.
if we can just get California to slide into the ocean.. and take a bit of Utah with it.. then I'd be in BeachFront city...
if
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Mini D: Do you think your leaders would establish lines/fronts to protect your population, or use your population to protect your military?
US government used at least one childcare center as "human shield" for its federal building. It does not seem to have done any good.
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
Mini D: Do you think your leaders would establish lines/fronts to protect your population, or use your population to protect your military?
US government used at least one childcare center as "human shield" for its federal building. It does not seem to have done any good.
miko
are you for real? You can't really be this stupid.
Providing on site daycare for your employees, is now considered a "human shield"?
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Originally posted by miko2d
US government used at least one childcare center as "human shield" for its federal building. It does not seem to have done any good.
miko
This is about as tasteless as you've ever been miko. I guess that's pretty much the norm for you these days.
I hope you enjoy yourself and these completely ****ed up posts.
MiniD
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agreed. what an idiotic statement.
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DOH!
I didn't read my own "ignored by" list.
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I deleted the quote. That remark should be deleted. No need for that Miko. If you lost a child there and read that, how would you feel?
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Miko is gumby.
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Miko you are one inconsiderate ba$tard!
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speaking of which, I haven't been in awhile. Maybe I'll do a night dive tonight. The water is getting warmer, so maybe things are moving back into shallower water.
Although I don't dive, my wife is into it big time. We live next to Puget Sound and she's done more night dives than in daylight. For those not familiar with Puget Sound, the water temperature in the summer is in the low 50s. She regularly dives in mid-40s water during the winter(yes, she has a dry suit).
:cool:
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of course in that cold water there isn't much to see except at night... brrr
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Originally posted by 2stony
Although I don't dive, my wife is into it big time. We live next to Puget Sound and she's done more night dives than in daylight. For those not familiar with Puget Sound, the water temperature in the summer is in the low 50s. She regularly dives in mid-40s water during the winter(yes, she has a dry suit).
:cool:
I dived to pay my way through college. I harvested echinoderms. The season is only in the winter. Some days we'd dive 6 tanks or so, but usually just 3 or 4.
I grew up in Maine, and dove there and in Nova Scotia. The lowest I've seen the temperature on my octopus was 31 degrees. That's when your 1st stage starts freezing and you get the occaisional free flow.
In the summor months, there is plenty to see during the day, also. I usually prefer night dives, though.
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ex Coast Guard diver.. had cold before (Antartic)
to me it was work.. (like it was for you apparently)
I doubt I'd dive in anything cold unless I had to !
gimme the south pacific thanks :)
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
ex Coast Guard diver.. had cold before (Antartic)
to me it was work.. (like it was for you apparently)
I doubt I'd dive in anything cold unless I had to !
gimme the south pacific thanks :)
I spend a lot of time in South America and the Carib. Now THAT'S diving.
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If Canada was invaded by anybody but the US, the US would fight for us :) If we were invaded by the US, Quebec would surrender (being French and all that) and the rest of us would throw flowers.
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Skuzzy it would seem that miko's purely tasteless and stupid remark regarding the loss of children in a day care center meets the criteria for your action.:mad:
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Martlet wrote:
what the hell is advanced scuba diving?
Well, it's the grey area between true technical diving and normal style no decompression diving. Basically limited decompression diving, wreck penetration, use of redundant gas system and the like.
It is now however use of trimix or extensive 1h+ deco diving. As it is, there isn't really a term for it, so I call it 'advanced' scuba diving, since it is a good deal more dangerous and advanced than yer normal no deco nature dive and requires more equipment, training and planning.
Hope this clarifies it. Oh btw; since you scuba dive, I gotta tease you a little; how many Whiskey class Russian submarines have you dived? We got one lying outside Anholt in 40 meters of water. Was towed to be sold for scrap, but sank. Cannot penetrate it but escape hatches, rudder, conning tower etc are visible and the wreck as a whole very well preserved.
Well worth checking out if yer going to DK.
Diving in close to the coast sucks though, with max visibility here in northern Dk being around 9 feet. On a good day. Wildlife is also sparese compared to for instance Norway of the Swedish west coast - but we have great wreck diving here, including lots of WWII artefacts - shot down allied bombers, German submarines, merchant vessels and the like. Conditions vary wildly and unpredictably though, which makes it sort of a hassle.
In wintertime nothing beats a good dry suit, although I must admit one is a good deal less flexible in such a one. And I always worry about snagging it on some piece of metal in an area I can't reach.
But diving sure sounds to me like a lot more fun than being shot at.
Someone said 'LIVE FREE OR DIE' as a response to one of my posts. Maybe that person misread me; was saying that IF I could live freely *without* having to risk my life to do so, why should I risk it? I mean, I see things in terms of risk management - always eliminate or minimize as many of 'em as possible. So if I can reach my objective through a risk of 0, I am gonna do that. That's not being a coward - it's just using common sense.
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I'll never be in DK.
I do have a few UBoat dives, though, and a ton of wrecks.
Not to mention ice and cave, too. We used to ice dive all the time, that was fun. I never cared much for cave diving, though, unless there were breathers you could actually get out into.