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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Renfield on September 13, 2000, 10:06:00 PM
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I've had it with some of the players who continually berate and attack both here on the BBS and online in the arenas.
From now on I am screen-grabbing their offensive remarks in the arenas and forwarding transcripts to HTC for them to do with as they will.
Verbally attacking other players hurts the sim. I know it takes the fun out for me and I would bet that it causes people to leave and/or never convert from free trial to paying subscriptions.
I would much rather lose a few loudmouths who hurt the sim than better natured people who would swell player numbers and make the sim more enjoyable. That's not my decision though - but it is my decision to document this stuff.
Hopefully others feel the same way and I encourage everyone to start documenting abusive attacks and forwarding transcripts to HTC to put an end to this junk.
Let the chips fall where they may.
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LOL!!!
Man you are just like the little child in the school that is acussing the other kids in the class because they dont behave like he wants.
LOL!, I am still laffing out loud about when you came in private and told me that you were "documenting" my behaviour because I had called someone warper (wich, BTW, was (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
In fact (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), coming from you ,renfield, someone that we all know you have had your "good behaviour" in MA, is really to laugh the ar$e off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hehe keep on documenting, Renfield, instead of flying. THat was I'll laugh the double when I see you "documenting" about other's behaviour, and dying because you didnt saw the con on your six!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
"mum mum, little timmy has called me silly!!! I have proofs"...
HTC, you have "online behaviour policeman"... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sorry, but...LMAO !!!!!!!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-13-2000).]
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Constructive response RAM...
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No, RAM, it is players like you who continually berate others who don't fly the way you want. I've been the point of your attacks a number of times and am tired of it.
Call it whatever you want, but providing the evidence to HTC will hopefully get you, and players like you, muzzled.
You hurt the sim and drive people away. I can't ban you myself or I would in a heartbeat. However I can provide the reason to those who do have that power and I intend to do so.
Call me whatever you like. Behave however you like. Just know that your attacks, when and if you continue to make them, will be furnished to HTC the same night from now on. They can do with them as they will.
If you think your behavior and treatment of other players is OK and that HTC condones it, keep right on doing it. My guess is that if you don't change your act, you will be history in Aces High.
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) is there any way to be constructive about this guy going on private telling you that he is going to post a shot to HTC where I appear calling "warper" to Nath11? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Is THAT attitude constructive? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My answer is just in line with the constructive post and "behaviour" of our loved "online Behaviourpoliceman"...
Sorry ,guys, but I cant stop laughing at this clown !!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ITs too much fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Humpf...double post... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-13-2000).]
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LOL renfield!!
Yes, I'm sure that me and all who call "warpers" the guys who DO warp to their 6 are going to have serious problems with HTC. It is an unforgivable thing, I'm sure (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Has been WEEKS since I last called someone HO dweeb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...
Now, send the shot to HTC...I think they can laugh as I am doing it right now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW, Renfield, do you want me to go and copy about your "problems" with some guys in MA?...there are some posts not so long ago accusing you of jumping on people in MA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
heheh HAIL, behaviour policeman!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Originally posted by Renfield:
Call me whatever you like. Behave however you like. Just know that your attacks, when and if you continue to make them, will be furnished to HTC the same night from now on. They can do with them as they will.
If you keep on posting them shots with people calling other "warpers" I think they will end tired of you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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RAM, you are certainly free to document anything I say and forward it to HTC as well.
I have said things in the arena that I am not proud of but I intend to watch it from now on. I've had a pretty good example of how not to behave and how it appears to others.
The only thing I would like to come of this is a more friendly arena. How that is accomplished is up to everyone who flys there.
So make fun as much as you want and laugh as much as you want. I'm just saying I will be screen-grabbing and reporting. Yup, it may not be the best way, but you and others haven't responded to anything else except with attacks such as the ones you post here.
And you were doing a little more than just telling a guy he was warping. Might explain why you had to tell him you were squelching him after your comment to him. And the transcript has already been sent.
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RAM,
Can you post a couple of more times in this thread within the next few minutes? I don't think you have enough seperate posts in this one thread yet!
Anyway, Renfield is entitled to his opinion and to post it here, just as we all are.
And whether its right or wrong, I think his mind is in the right place.....trying to promote community in his own way.
Cobra
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Originally posted by Renfield:
The only thing I would like to come of this is a more friendly arena. How that is accomplished is up to everyone who flys there.
Hehe YES! you are the policeman ,sir!...
hummm,no ,you are the informant (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ROFL!
And you were doing a little more than just telling a guy he was warping. Might explain why you had to tell him you were squelching him after your comment to him. And the transcript has already been sent.
Maybe you "documented", too, Nath11's answer to my "good warp" phrase?...or were you too busy licking chops ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Anyway I feel free to squelch the people I want (you the first, BTw, as soon as I see you online the next thing I do is squelching you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) and saying so.
Uh yeah ,squelching people and warning them is VERY offensive... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ROFLMAO!!!...man you are funny. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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hmmmm....
lessee....
where've I seen this before....
OH YEAH!
Mr Morality Police
Crabofix (wasn't it him?)
Every time someone would say something he found objectionable he would say "<click>" (or something like that, him taking a screenshot).
Dinnae people just start ignoring him?
I think one thing everyone needs to remember is that AH is targeting a mainly adult audience and that there WILL be and ARE huge egos here. The very nature of the game nearly demands it. And sometimes egos will collide explosively.
I've met a good number of fighter pilots. On most things most of them are down right humble. But when it comes to flying they're the biggest egomaniacs on the planet. And they pretty much have to be, because they have to believe they're the best.
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Ups...double post
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-13-2000).]
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Originally posted by Renfield:
The only thing I would like to come of this is a more friendly arena. How that is accomplished is up to everyone who flys there.
Hehe YES! you are the policeman ,sir!...
hummm,no ,you are the informant (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ROFL!
And you were doing a little more than just telling a guy he was warping. Might explain why you had to tell him you were squelching him after your comment to him. And the transcript has already been sent.
Maybe you "documented", too, Nath11's answer to my "good warp" phrase?...or were you too busy licking chops ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Anyway I feel free to squelch the people I want (you the first, BTw, as soon as I see you online the next thing I do is squelching you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) and saying so.
Uh yeah ,squelching people and warning them is VERY offensive... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ROFLMAO!!!...man you are funny. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Cobra...Renfield is entitled to do anything and post his views here freely.
So I am ,and I find those views VERY funny. If I look them from a serious perspective, then I can take them less fun. Informants and cheap accusers never have been of my taste, I have a very BIG disrespect (bordering loathe) about people who acts that way.
See today, he is "informing" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) about my "bad behaviour", because I DARED to call someone "warper" and after reading his "kind" answer proceeded to squelch him in public.
Oh, yes and then I called renfield in private "WEENIE" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
As you see is really a serious guilt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Truth is, this guy cant see me, as I cant see him. We both like each other SO much... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). And so he thought "I have him", when he had nothing, (and will never have, BTW (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
I never had too much respect about this guy, now I have none. And I prefer to laugh at him before taking him too seriously. If I did, then I prolly say something REALLY worth posting to HTC...and we dont want it, do we? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ram, if you are seeing warps, it is very possible it is your connection. Playing from so far away makes your connection much more in doubt. I see very little warping in AH. Matter of fact, I very rarely see it.
Accusing or complaining of warping is kind of silly, as virtually nobody has control over this. If one guy is warping badly, the best way to handle this is to go private with him and tell him in a nice way, and maybe ask him to try relogging.
I would suggest as for yourself, you examine your own behavior in AH. You have gotten very well known as a complainer and a whiner.
Many players have lost respect for you due to your behavior. You can, and probably will flame me for saying this, but it isnt personal, its just plain simple fact.
The way you resonded to this thread, when you werent even mentioned is a good illustration of your attitude. I am sure most who read this thread will think your multiple posts and tone of those posts are in poor taste.
I try to stay low key, and have a good time, but if you were in my squad, I would ask you to leave. I get frustrated at times, and am not perfect, but I think your complaints and attitude are, in my opinion, a detriment to the game.
Dago
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RAM, if HTC likes you attacking other players, they won't say or do anything and I'm just a dork to be ignored. Hell, they may not like it but may also decide not to do anything about it. You just may be able to keep on doing this stuff with complete impunity. I have no idea how they will respond. I'm just saying I'm tired of your behavior and since you seem incapable of responding to reason, I decided the best way was to just document and to encourage others to do the same thing for anyone getting out of control in the arenas.
I won't be saying "click". I will however be grabbing screens and turning in transcripts until I decide to stop. I warned you publicly so nobody can say it was a blind-side attack. Do whatever the hell you want and behave however you want. Again, whatever HTC decides to do with this is up to them. I am not the police. Call me an informant if you want. Ultimately this really is HTC's and your call.
My beef isn't with everybody in the arena. I certainly understand emotions and tempers flaring. My beef is with the guys you can count on to rip into others night after night after night. Like you for example.
So again, document me all you want. And if your behavior is how HTC wants the arena to be, fine - they will have lost a player. Me.
You really do suck the fun right out of the sim and I won't pay to listen to you whine and squeak night after night. Sure I could squelch you (and do frequently) but you still have your effect on the other players and the new guys who may or may not convert to paying after you lambast them mercilessly for an "HO" or for "running away". Your effect on the sim goes way beyond anything their flying might do and it isn't a good effect either.
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Totally agree with cavemanj . When i'm surrounded by cockpit i change a bit off personality and i caught myself big ego sometimes but it means nothin. It's all very realistic sometimes. Ill bett those ww2 pilots yelled a lot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hehe time to serious talk (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Originally posted by Dago:
Ram, if you are seeing warps, it is very possible it is your connection. Playing from so far away makes your connection much more in doubt. I see very little warping in AH. Matter of fact, I very rarely see it.
No. Not the case. I have allways Ping plotter running on the desktop and before launching any "warp" in #1 I **ALWAYS** take a look to it. My connections are usually decent, if not good. The problem is that I have a lag of 0.3 seconds average, but that has nothing to do with warps (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW I didnt complain nor accused. I said "heh, nice warp, right to my six". I dont see a lot of complaining or accusing there, just an ironical comment (with a 9 over 10 pissing factor, I admit it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
I would suggest as for yourself, you examine your own behavior in AH. You have gotten very well known as a complainer and a whiner.
Many players have lost respect for you due to your behavior. You can, and probably will flame me for saying this, but it isnt personal, its just plain simple fact.
Humm, never flame people who are right, Dago. I have earned my reputation, and I dont like it, of course.
I'm working on it, of course, and as I said it has been weeks since I last exploded on #1. Today, this post, is not a whining or flaming. It is a laugh. A good ,strong laugh, believe me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The way you resonded to this thread, when you werent even mentioned is a good illustration of your attitude. I am sure most who read this thread will think your multiple posts and tone of those posts are in poor taste.
Why? because I say that his attitude is funny?. In fact I think something REALLY different, and much more serious, but as I like more to laugh, I take the funny part (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I try to stay low key, and have a good time, but if you were in my squad, I would ask you to leave. I get frustrated at times, and am not perfect, but I think your complaints and attitude are, in my opinion, a detriment to the game.
I am having possibly the funniest moments in AH since Tour5. The fun's back, after I was missing it!. New FM means new challenges, and while I dislike something about it, it is time to relearn and laugh when I die in funny ways (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I ahve been really problematic in the past, I know it...but THIS thread is a pure joke, dago. And so, sorry but I HAVE to laugh at it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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BTW sorry ,I know that some people hate me quoting things part by part...
But when I want to give serious answers I give them the most clearly way I can (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) And that includes quoting the part I am referring to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Renfield...if you consider a "warper" call an oppen attack I am sure you will clicking people all day long!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ROFL!.
Keep on the joke, man. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I'm laughing A LOT! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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But RAM has what we dutch call southern temperament hehe lol
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And I've got a good BIG sense of humour too, bug (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)...
Hehehe this thread is cracking me up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I noyice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I talk smack. Sometimes people talk smack to me. Its just typed words.
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I am offended by this thread. All this talk of egos and other BS.
Please remember you non-dweebs that some of us HAVE no ego. And we don't like it when you flaunt that you have one.
- Universal Dweeb Spokesman (and the weather guy)
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If you do not like someone's posts -- squelch him. It works, believe me.
I personally wish to have squelch list, not to squelch same people every time I am in the arena.
FAriz
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Refield
Dont antagonize yourself. Your not likely to get a hall monitor badge. If Ram is insulting someone and it hurts their feelings its probably better to let them tell HT. They wont need a screen shot. By the sounds of it they could just pull one from RAMs file. I am positive that Nath can look after himself fine.
Squelching is a far better option.
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Originally posted by CavemanJ:
OH YEAH!
Mr Morality Police
Crabofix (wasn't it him?)
Every time someone would say something he found objectionable he would say "<click>" (or something like that, him taking a screenshot).
Dinnae people just start ignoring him?
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Well MR Cave, I never did send it in to HTC Thoose screenshoots(I can asure you that you wouldnt be flying this game now if I would have!) and I was´nt the only one that was enoyed about YOUR LINGO.
Now you changed your ways while sending messages, how come?
I never see you use bad lingo anymore.
Adult Game?
well a lot of us have family and kids watching their "dad" flying.
This Game have clear rules to the lingo behavior and even if you dont like that, you have to adjust.
I am the defender of the morality and you better live with it cavemanJ.
Crabofix
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Ya know that little shack where ya land and they refuel yer plane? Well, fahgedabout that. What AH desperately needs is to replace that thing with one huge box of kleenex.
I mean... if the trash talk on channel 1 was any good, that would be one thing. But it aint even near that. It aint clever, it aint funny, and it don't sting one bit. It's just whiney runny-nosed drivle.
Hmm... Here's a Ram quote from a few hours ago in the MA.
"Nice warp there xxxx... I can't help but notice that it's the second time you warped when I got close to you. Hmm...."
Ooh..Hmm indeed.
Visible in that exact same buffer was Nath saying something along the lines of "I can whip you 1v1, 2v1, or even 3v1... Lets duel, man".
<Shudder>
Gentlemen, we are capable of more. Please, if you must rant, make it worth the time to read. Remember, people are dying out there. I would hate to think that some sissy little quip was the last thing some young brave pilot saw. Get a thesaurus if you must.
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Ahhh refreshing post NASH ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
and how true .... how true ...
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RAM, I suspect you are still trying to catch up on my "posting" scores... No way can catch me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hehe, at least this thread has turned out on something not to laugh SO loud (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nash, you have something wrong, I didnt say "is the second time you warp when I get near you", but "the second warp was when I was near you, and you jumped in my six....hummm", or something like that.
Nath's answer was like the one you said, but no "lets duel" . Anyway with that answer, you can bet I squelched him and let him know it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyway is an unnecesary explanation. That "warper" call was nowhere near personally insulting, and for sure is nothing to cry like a little baby (and less if you are the "documenter", not the guy involved, Renfield (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
As you can see is a insulting and daring behaviour from my side. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
IF I had gone "you ·$"!%"·$ WARPER, GO TO "·!"$!"· AND RELOG AT ONCE", then I'd agree that its not exactly a good way to jump in #1...
But this thread and the stupid "informer" attitude of Renfield...LOL Can't help but break off laffin, man...this guy hates me so much that puts himself in evidence with a stupid thing like this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Saw...I'll catch you, sooner or later! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-14-2000).]
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Why doesn't everyone just be quiet and let HTC handle screenshots in whatever way they see fit?
Fury
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A couple days ago, someone lost their temper and said "XXX diddly YOU!" on the open channel.
Since my little boy was watching me fly, I typed in "Watch the language, please".
The person who swore in the first place responded "Blow me, banana! If you're little snot-nosed kid is watching, kick him in the head!"
*Sigh*
I wish people would lay off the radio buffer if they need to vent.
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In the infamous words of Rodney King.......
OUCH OUCH OUCH !
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Besides, I don't think that smack talk on channel one really hurts the sim that much.
If HT believed it did, you can bet your bellybutton there would be a naughty word filter on it. I've talked to HT a fair bit, and if I was to put my money down on what he thought of channel 1 and bbs whining and berating, I'd bet that we doesn't give a flying F**K squared.
banana, I'm sorry you had a little one who saw more "adult" language while watching you, but I'm sure the fine print of both your ISP and HTC covers this, and if you were to say "my 5 year old has access to the PC, and I don't want him seeing this in AH", I've got some real bad news for you: Pictures of horrific sex acts, people who have actually been shot, you name it is usually the first thing kids (not so young as 5, but won't be long) look for on the internet usually. Seeing "F-OFF" is likely one of the more tame things to be seen.
The last comment that was said to you "kick him in the head" is grounds for banishment in my book, as it constitutes an assualt in my country, and is hands down one of the stupidest things I've seen/heard here. Swearing/taunting will always be with online gaming, but threatening/violent remarks from keyboard commandos who probably couldn't fight their way out of wet paper bag with a sword shouldn't be tolerated.
[This message has been edited by BagPiper (edited 09-14-2000).]
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Yup. Been alot of that crap the past week banana. Most of it from piddly hugahunks on thier two week free trial. Even I have been squelching on average three "people" each night I've flown. It's a shame but it's the nature of the Internet too. Not the least is a lack of any class on the part of just a few.
Bagpiper, if you read this topic http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/005293.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/005293.html) you will see that HiTech DEFINATELy cares about all of this. I believe he hopes the community can tackle and resolve the problem through setting the example.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 09-14-2000).]
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I said that I could beat RAM 1v1, 2v1, 3v1... I didn't say "lets duel", why? Because I already beat him in a duel 4-1.
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I wish you people would stop posting false quotes and putting words in my mouth.
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RAM,
accusing someone of intentional warping is accusing him/her of cheating.
If you really believe that someone is hacking the game, you should make a film and send it to HTC.
It is obvious you are ignorant of the workings of the Internet. Ping Plotter and ping use a special ping protocol/port. H2H use TCP/IP which is reliable. The HTC arenas use UDP which is not reliable. Hosts have no obligation to deliver UDP packets on time or at all. So ping and PingPlotter will give you a good indication of your avarage ping time and serious troubles on the route, but they should not tell you how reliably and/or consistently your actual UDP game packets arrive.
One of my DSL connections (through Juno) is always less then 112ms according to the PingPlotter, no packet losses at all, but it is completely unplayable in the arena in the evenings because some host on the way is dropping UDP packets when the load is heavy. No problems playing H2H though.
The fact that your ping plotter shows no problems does not mean that your UDP connects are good. The fact that you are the one seeing problems when others don't most likely indicates your connect is bad.
I suggest that you ask someone you trust to fly with you in the arena (preferably while on the phone with that person), do abrupt maneuvers and listen to what they see. You may be surprised.
To HTC.
If I go to a nice restaurant and see a patron abusing other patrons and the management does not intervene, I would never go back there again.
In some places you expect that kind of behavior and it is perfectly fine. In others it is not acceptable.
It is HTC's choice what kind of place they run.
Since the average age of the players is over 30 and the game/hardware/connection is not cheap, I assume that the level of the HTC current/prospective clientelle is pretty sophisticated.
Many of them should be offended and put off by offensive remarks in the buffer, weather directed towards them or not.
I was showing AH to many people in my office who may be interested in joining (quite a few have a privet pilot license and/or fly MS FS), but I felt embarrased by some things in the buffer and made sure they did not see it.
I suspect that HTC may be losing more business not retaining people like that then keeping a very few loud-mouthed players who cause most of the problem.
The policy should be made clear. Yes, AH is an adult game. But HTCs intent was to build a flight sim, not a sleasy chat-room.
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 09-14-2000).]
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banana,
I saw that crap the other nite just as I was logging off.
There is no place for that kind of comment anywhere, let alone in a game.
I was going to say something about it but the mentality of people that say those kind of things does not allow much room for reason.
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JG 2's current cannon magnet
Milo
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OH WILL YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
THE HORSE IS DEAD DAMNIT!!
PLAY THE GAME AND SQUELCH THE OFFENSIVE ONES!
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"..he shoots fire out of his eyes and lightning bolts out of his arse..."
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Good post Miko, very good.
JoeMud, should we spend all our times typing .squelch xxxxx? I always squelch channel 1 now, but too often dweebs must swear and act like immature low class fools on country channel, and I would rather not have to squelch that too. Why should a few obnoxious jerks be able to degrade the fun of this game for so many? I really dont think it is out of line for us the players, or HTC the company to expect and even require a decent standard of behavior. Because a few choose to display a lack of self respect and
questionable upbringing, I dont think we all should be required to put up with it.
The poor behaviour I am talking about is the use of vulgar language. It is limited to a very few, most players in this game are great guys. I do let my youngest son play often and I would prefer he not be exposed to this language in a game environment.
Dago
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banana: Sorry that your son was reading this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif). Dunno why that guy said this to me, was just shooting him down. Never saw him before.
Renfield, RAM: Calm down plz (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). Let's all be friends again. Well besides those %%&$§§& Bishes and Rooks, hehee.
Maik
<JG54 Gruenherz>
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Nath-BDP you beat RAM in a 4 vs 1 ?
now guys .. WHO THE HECK cloned RAM eh ? Admitt it guys ..
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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No, he beat RAM in a duel 4-1. Don't put words in his mouth, ya big bully! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
SOB
BTW...banana, that sucks! I'll be sure and remember to squelch channel 1 next time my nephew is over!
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Renfield-
I have to agree with your sentiment. Every single time I log on anymore I have someone smart off to me. As a result, I no longer log on. My life is too hectic and stress filled to have someone anger me within 5 minutes of logging on. Talking smack is fun for some people- for others it isn't. I fall into the latter category.
It wasn't always this way. It doesn't have to be this way. And for anyone thinking it is only the two-week trial guys behaving this way, think again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
The community, for better or worse, is evolving. Each of us decides when and where it has reached the point of intolerability. I don't have the right to tell the rest of the AH community how to behave- I do have the right to decide whether I want to be part of it.
I am taking a break from the flying part for a good long time. I am reading the BBS and trying to contribute as I can to the CM events. (I hope this clarifies the situation as not being an "I quit" post) As for squelching all channels, even my country channel, in order to play in peace is not an option I want to entertain- I might as well play EAW.
For you guys that enjoy trash talk, or treating others like they belong in your squad and need lectures, well, that is your choice. I tend to agree with Renfield, you may just run some good people off...
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New for 104.3, toggle for open channel.
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I give up on all this crap come end of the month im gone again this game is making me go insane.
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Renfield,
You appear to be suffering from R.O.F.
The real solution to this and related ailments is for HTC to provide us with a "squelch.cfg" file. In it we will add the growing list of handles that will be completely and permently squelched from our text buffer without tediously having to retype them in every session. I too would rather not have to squelch a whole channel when it is usually a vocal minority that make it unpleasent for everyone else.
If HTC wants to add one small feature that would have a dramatic and profound effect on the enjoyability of our online gaming this would be it. At this point, I'd rather have this feature more than a new plane, tank, or even naval vessels. IMHO, this is the single most powerful ROI of any possible feature for the amount of time it would take to implement. A small effort for huge, far reaching returns.
HTC:
You know how you have the "Tune to" button on the clip board roster for automatically setting you chan 1 to the selected player? Please add a "Squelch" button as well that add the selected player to this permenant list. Later if their behavior habbits improve you can select them again and "unsquelch". Maybe a column added to the roster list showing whether that player is currently in the squelch list or not.
You would not believe what a valuable feature this would be for your customers.
Regards,
Wab
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It seems that people here enjoy posting more, than finding the solution (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Solution is here, it called squalch. What I do normally, I try to be reasonable and to discuss the situation with other person, who try to offend me. If he still stays on "child" level of comunication I say that I squelch him on channel 1, and do it. If I squelch same person 3 times within couple of months I put him in squelch list, which I enter every time I joined MA or TA. It does not take a long time, but still a squelch list will be better. I must say that the whole my time with AH it was only 3 people I put in that list, and from them only 1 still with AH.
Fariz.
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I agree with Renfield and Kieren here...
I made a similar post a while back and got a similar slew of responses. The outside world is simply too stressful to get online and have to deal with some of what I've seen in the buffer. The H2H option is simply a better alternative to the MA. I was there this afternoon and had a blast.
IC
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A post I made a few days back.
Thanks for the help gents.
1. I never fly under an alias.
Ive been HT online for over 10 years. My online persona is what it is, and not flying as HT just isn't the same for me.
2. When im not in blue, I wan't to be treated as just another player.
Basicly even things like 1.04 is cool tend to distract me because they take my focus away from how to kill the other guy and make me feel obligated to respond. I just want to think about flying , tactics and killing ,joking around,just like everyone else, and not think about my work.
3. If im not rapped up in a fight I try to answer help type questions.
I do realy apreciate it when other players help newer people understand when im open for questions and when im not.
Also latly there are 2 attitudes in the arena I would like help with.
1. I do not think it's acceptible to belittle other players, im not talking about jokeing between friends, but rather calling people dweebs for there flight style.
I.E. calling someone a spit dweeb just because he likes to fly a spit excetera. Or alt monkey. HO Dweeb,Cannon dweeb or what ever.
Everyone has the same options in the arena as to what to fly or how to fly the plane. Any choice someone makes as to what or how to fly might not be your choice but it is theres to make and have fun as they wish.
2. I real hate comments that distract from peoples enjoyment. Things like This flight model is porked, this plane sucks, this gameplay sucks ectera. Comments like this tend to come from people just being upset and wanting to vent, but it is not an exceptible way to behave in a community enviorment.
This is total opposed to wondering ,questioning or discusing a bug,problem or details of a flight model online. I find no problem with critising or discussing details online, Im just take exception to the the overall this is porked or this sucks beeing portrayed online.
I feel both of these realy ditract from the fun of everyone, and give new people coming into AH the wrong attitude. This is somthing the hole community can help us lessen the occurances of.
HiTech
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Upping the ante. ;o)
(http://store1.yimg.com/I/randalls_1596_61267)
Ordered today for purposes of bribery.
To be personally placed on desk of Dale Addink upon delivery of said or equivalent feature.
Regards,
Wab
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I'm glad you agree with us, HT.
Your post will be respected by those of us who can listen to reason. But what about all the kEwL dOOdZ out there that won't listen to reason, or who get off on causing animosity?
Currently, HTC is putting the honus on us to squelch the morons out there who can't learn how to behave.
How about HTC doing the right thing and banishing these morons from the arena permanently, before more people like Kieren leave? How about getting tough, biting the bullet, and become a leader in the online sim industry by enforcing a code of conduct?
Think about it. What has Kieren done to anyone else in this arena, other than be helpful, friendly and courteous. And this is the thanks he gets?
I've been a customer of yours for over four years, but I will leave and take my dollar elsewhere if Aces High is left to become a cesspool of adolescent behavior. It hurts me to say that, because I really respect you and your staff. But enough is enough!
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>How about HTC doing the right thing and
>banishing these morons
I don't mind shooting at them, and them shooting at me. I just don't want to read their crap.
One button.
One click.
Silenced forever.
Regards,
Wab
[This message has been edited by AKWabbit (edited 09-14-2000).]
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Sysops anyone? Granted, it takes a little control from us as users to squelch whom ever we deem necessary, however, I too am getting tired of spending valueable <SP> time typing .squelch xxxx.
Kieren leaves and we have to live with xxxx. Ludicrous.
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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VMF-323 First Rule in our "Rules and Regs":
1.TREAT OTHERS AND EXPECT TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT, DIGNITY, AND
TRUST.
Uncivil, insulting, vile or obscene language or conduct, threats, intimidation, harassment
or coercion of other squad members, or the enemy, without intent of general hazing or
teasing can lead to squad membership termination.. Making of false, vicious, profane, or
malicious statements concerning any squad member can also lead to termination of membership
within VMF-323.
It's alot easier to be nice, then angry, and your body will thank you later on, by adding years to your life!
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I think we need a new Forum..maybe call it the "Ram Renfield squeak Forum"
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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Originally posted by banana:
....How about HTC doing the right thing and banishing these morons from the arena permanently, before more people like Kieren leave? How about getting tough, biting the bullet, and become a leader in the online sim industry by enforcing a code of conduct?...
Currently, the MSN Gaming Zone does just that. There is a specific "code of conduct" becomming of an RSACi level 2. One of the jobs of volunteer sysops and chancellors is enforcement of the "code". Included in their power is the ability to warn, boot (remove a customer from a game), and even ban a customer for up to 24 hours. They can also escalate habitual problems to the "higher-ups" that can result in a longer or even permanent ban.
I don't want to debate if this is a good idea for HTC or not; just throwing out this fact, that other sites do police themselves. In the vast majority of cases, the players are thankful that someone has been removed for behaviour; the ones that complain the loudest are the ones that get removed.<<edit: that sounds all wrong LOL. It should read: The ones who complain the loudest are the ones who have been removed; i.e. the ones who love to use obscene language or verbally abuse other customers>>. The sysops are not "morality police" or anything like that; they simply enforce a "code of conduct" (or "terms of service") that *every* customer of the Zone is required to agree to before even creating an i.d.
Fury
[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 09-14-2000).]
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
I think we need a new Forum..maybe call it the "Ram Renfield squeak Forum"
Hehe, Mighty, where did you see me squeak in this thread? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) it has been the best laugh in months, really.
To the rest of the people:
While I have gone ballistic A LOT of times and have sometiemes gone beyond the reasonable limits and over the reasonable words, lately I have gained a hole new view of this sim , and the way to see it, play it, and treat the persons in it.
Last Saturday? Sunday maybe? dunno, but one of those days I went in private with renfield for a moment, thinking in giving an apology and start from 0. I called him 2 times "ehmm...have you got a second?".
THere was no asnwer, so well, I didnt work harder to make him answer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). And now I find THIS from him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). Understand that I can break off laffin (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
and no, I wont try it again, as I have my own ideas about informers in real life. This guy wont never be worth 0.02$ for me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Anyway, I have read Hitech's post, and while I have broken all and every one of his points in the past, I haven't since last week, and I dont plan to do it. And for sure yesterday "informing" thing from Renfield ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) LOL) had no serious base, as to call someone "warper" and squelching him is something if not natural, at least normal.
I will try to keep it this way, the civil way. THat wont stop me from being pissed sometimes ,and so sometimes I know I may fail and go agains "where noone should go" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). We are all human. I am TOO Much human (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). And I will fail, be sure. But, too , be sure that will be much less than before (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Oh, well. And excuse me for laugh nonstop for a day. It was REALLY too much funny.
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Fury....
A ban from the Zone is a minor thing. I've seen a few lifetime bans there and the players always show up under a new Nic...all it takes is a reformat of their boot drive and a mail change and they are back...works with the ones that want to have their 3 day free trial last indefinatly also. The problems with Sysops is the fact that they are people and players...the abuse of their power is always an issue. I would hope that in AH we, the players, can police the behavior in the arena to make it a fun experience for all.
My neice <7 years old> likes to sit in my lap while I fly. Having to sheild the text buffer is more necessary these days and shouldn't have to be done.
I know of one way to thump the foul mouths in AH...a dweeb hunt with the help of the dweebs countrymen for vectoring the hunters to their prey...I know I would change my online attitude if it got me such attention.
Lars
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hi all:
well to start with, Nath, if you are not going to say stuff, then we will have to say it for you, even if it is not something you would say, how else we going to make you look bad.
ok, now the real stuff, as for you that have small childen watching you play, i am soory they have to see such things in a game.
now on to me, I know that at times I get pissed off at some thing or somebody. and probably have said things that should not be said. now when this happens if I do not say sorry right away for bad behaver, I would hope a team mate would tell me to smarten up and if need be, log for a while to calm down.
but I know with out a dought, I would never say any thing like kick your kid in the head, or any thing as stupid as that.
oh and Nath, just kidding.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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Originally posted by RAM:
Last Saturday? Sunday maybe? dunno, but one of those days I went in private with renfield for a moment, thinking in giving an apology and start from 0. I called him 2 times "ehmm...have you got a second?".
THere was no asnwer, so well, I didnt work harder to make him answer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I must have had you squelched RAM - precisely for the reasons I made the original post and reported your comments. If you wanted to apologize, well, I'm sorry. On the other hand, I've put up with your comments and bashing for over a month now. I hope you can understand that I really don't want anything to do with you at all no matter what your intention. I don't like you and I find you offensive. Your responses here are all the more reason. Keep your apologies.
I hope HTC will consider a publicly posted and enforced code of conduct. Comments like the one about kicking a kid in the head, the rants from those who don't like how someone else flys, etc., are ruining the sim. If it is allowed to continue, the good people will leave and all that will be left are the brats.
If it causes a few loudmouths to leave in a huff, too bad. The funny thing is what they would be leaving over - the perceived right to berate and verbally abuse other players. But I think that it would make room for the better players and the better personalities.
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I tried to make peaces, nothing else. Maybe to start from zero, giving a chance...but well, it didnt work. And I cant say I'm very worried about it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW I doubt you had me squelched,as I was just logged on and had said nothing in text buffer. Maybe you lost the message during a fight, maybe not...thing is-I dont mind.
And I wont do that try again ,as I only try to make peaces with people worth respect. the other day I thought you had some hopes...now after your "informer/policeman" attitude (ROFL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) I have lost any respect I had left towards you.
Not that you give a ratz prettythang about it, but I dont give it, neither (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW I can agree with you in that if someone says "kick the kid in the head" a screenshot is in order to be sent to HTC. Same with personal menaces, SERIOUS insults, etc...
I ever sent one from a guy called Hitler4U when he said a lot of nazi crap in #1 and #2.
But to send shots because one calls the other a HO dweeb is laughable.
And sending shots because one called other warper is downright ridiculous and incredible.
And to "menace" that you will "document" anything out what you understand, are bounds, is just stupid. egocentric. Makes you appear like the "saint" of the arena, the one that has to cover our sin actions.
from one point of view is sickening. That is an attitude I so far saw in 10 year old kids.
On the other side, it is laughable. And very, very funny (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-14-2000).]
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SPIT XIV!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sorry, just had to say it!
Cobra
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Focke-Wulf Fw190D-9 with MW50!!!!!
sorry,I had to answer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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And to "menace" that you will "document" anything out what you understand, are bounds, is just stupid. egocentric. Makes you appear like the "saint" of the arena, the one that has to cover our sin actions.
Ram is saying this? I'm getting some kind of wierd inverted erm.. ummm.. well... deja vu.
AKDejaVu
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>ut to send shots because one calls the
>ther a HO dweeb is laughable.
>1. I do not think it's acceptible to
> belittle other players, im not talking
>about jokeing between friends, but rather
>calling people dweebs for there flight
>style.
>I.E. calling someone a spit dweeb just
>because he likes to fly a spit excetera. Or
>alt monkey. HO Dweeb...
One button.
One click.
Silenced forever.
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Hummm DejaVu, what are you talking about?...maybe you have better memory than I have (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKwabbit...oh, come on. Most of us explode in #1 channel. DAmnit I even saw Swager once exploding there!!! (and that is REALLY strange (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)). I dont say that the kind of jumps that I did to HO people are acceptable. I DO say that I keep on seeing "HO dweeb" calls in #1 channel all nights I log. And since 2 weeks none from me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
WHat I mean is, if you are going to report ALL that is "out of bounds", HTC will suffer a mail collapse (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). Let the shot posting for the REALLY serious problem (some kind of vocabulary , or "kick the kid" things).
At least is my point of view. I accept Hitech's of course, and that is why I am working in stopping my temper (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Originally posted by RAM:
Focke-Wulf Fw190D-9 with MW50!!!!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
FW190D-9 with MW50, that you percieve to be modelled incorrectly!
I'm not sorry! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
SOB
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LOL you're SO cruel!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(Dangit, really sux I cant do it to the con! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif), the laugh there will be incredible (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
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I know some of you will rember a while back HiTech did bannish someone. I can't rember his name rite now but he had it comming. The guy was way out of line in the main room and just pushed thing to far, but from what I have seen in this thred we are on the right track to help keep things cool. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I Hate It When That Happens!
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" Aces High is an adult game"
How does this give you the right to act like a little love muffin?
Act like an adult.
Squelch isnt the whole answer. Some may leave before they learn what a .squelch command is.
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Well, there is a lot of talk about "What would a new user/customer think of this..."
Well, I AM a new user here in AH. And RAM, you're right ...this IS laughable. ButI'm laughing at you and your attitude.
The people that hate speed limits are generally fast unsafe drivers.
The people that hate laws against hard core drug use are statistically crack heads.
The people that hate being held accountable in this world are generally people up to no good. (taken from www.usatoday.com (http://www.usatoday.com) polls)
I promise this:
My One month old baby girl, Elana, lays on my lap and I hold her while I play (my copilot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )...If ANYONE said "kick your kid in the head,..." in response to ANYTHING I said, I swear on my life I would find SOME way, SOMEHOW, to hunt them down and whip them like the dog they are.
The truth of the matter is that people take the internet and be someone they are not. You can always tell a real puss in real life when they act like friggin Hulk hogan online.
Lets act like grown ups....why does there have to be the word "dweeb" in any way, shape, or form in this game. See, I graduated MIDDLE school,....so I don't use "dweeb" anymore.
I consider myself a good natured, peaceful person. But RAM, you are right, this is laughable. The fact that one person stating his convictions and his desire to follow through with those convictions gets nailed to the cross is in fact laughable. Anyone wonder why the world is going to the toejamter lately?
Convictions. Standards.
No one wants them. No one feels they need them.
This is a game. Lets have fun, ok?
I'm not worried AT ALL by Renfields desire to take screens and send them to HT. Know why? BECAUSE I DON'T BASH PEOPLE. And Ram....just becuase someone is forcing others to act thier age doesn't mean that they are thying to be a saint.
End of rant. I don't have any problems with you, RAM. I hope we can get along. But gamer to gamer, just thought you may consider my thoughts. Peace.
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Originally posted by Camel:
" Aces High is an adult game"
Squelch isnt the whole answer. Some may leave before they learn what a .squelch command is.
Amen.
Originally posted by Shade324th:
"The truth of the matter is that people take the internet and be someone they are not. You can always tell a real puss in real life when they act like friggin Hulk hogan online."
Well said.
[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 09-14-2000).]
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Um, what happened here?
I've been called worse things than a warper. The times I've been called I cheater, I've smiled and taken it as a compliment.
In general, I abhor any kind of censorship, with exceptions such as kiddie porn. Unfortunately, there are people who will misuse priviledges, i.e need to be governed, so I can see and respect a decision for a company to keep its product clean in terms of profanity.
Just ain't sure RAM's guilty of using expletives any more than some political leaders (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif), not in this case.
I lose my head in AH - generally I'm not that much of a competitive person preferring to chill out instead, but in AH, the competitive nature in me returns with a vengeance. So I'll have an outburst of the occasional "yaaargh, you HO dweeb" or "damned lagger" or something similar. And that's that. I'll also make rather crude and insensitive jokes now and then, just as (I've noticed) a lot of others in this community will.
I'm policed and PC'd enough in RL not to want it to happen too much in AH - I'll follow the general ethics, but there has to be room for the occasional "HO DWEEEEEB" call (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Or, "your filthy piece of distended rectum!" (thanks Red Dwarf (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
Guess I am sorta abstracting from this situation and just speaking in general terms here.
Just to throw some fuel on the fire, isn't it a bit ironic that we complain and want to protect our kids from something aestethically ugly such a certain words, yet we have no problem letting them watch something decidedly humanly ugly (massive destruction, simulated death by fragmentation of virtual bodies as they're ripped apart by 20mm's)?
I think HTC's decision to keep the language clean is a wise one, but in terms of whines; we areth all but dweebs. We whine, therefore we are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). With the competitive nature of this game, I think we have to give ourselves some slack when it comes to whines - not too much, but at least some.
Otherwise I'd have to be kicked out long ago, when I called Torque a HO dweeb for actually managing to hit me in a HO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
oh, btw, I *think* it was me (cannot recall for sure) who made the comment about the kick. Pretty tasteless, yeah, but then I ain't known for my exquisite taste. A joke, and nothing personal, and pretty much victimless. While I can understand and appreciate objections to such jokes, I'm still undecided whether I should be PC'ed with my jokes here as well, as long as they're harmless.
Off to do tedious stuff in a bit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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Here's an idea- if you get ticked at someone, instead of publically berating them you can do the following:
1) Speak to them PRIVATELY (that radio 4 thing, remember?) which will allow them to squelch you if you're too offensive... and also spare the rest of us, because frankly I don't care if someone across the map loses a kill to a warp.
2) Load up a Lanc and REVENGE-BOMB the offender's HQ, which will help your team and annoy the object of your wrath (and his teammates) far more than trite insults;
3) take a break and come back later. Crikey, it's only a game. AH is a metric ton o' fun but at the end of the day it's just a bunch of electrons bouncing around an over-priced box of silicon!
BB
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Santa said:
oh, btw, I *think* it was me (cannot recall for sure) who made the comment about the kick.
Nope, it wasn't you, Santa. It was someone in Leonid's squad.
I'm all for good-natured ribbing, like saying "banana's mom wears army boots" or something along those lines, as long as we all know it's all in good fun. But to me, there needs to be a line that we don't cross. Personally attacking someone, or using extreme profanity should not be tolerated.
Sure, we all lose our temper now & again, especially when we're in the heat of battle. But there's no need to vent into the radio buffer. It's much faster to swear and have a tantrum in the privacy of your own home. I mean, who really cares that you're mad, anyway? Does anyone really enjoy it when someone vents on the radio buffer?
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"I'm all for good-natured ribbing, like saying "banana's mom wears army boots" or something along those lines, as long as we all know it's all in good fun. But to me, there needs to be a line that we don't cross. Personally attacking someone, or using extreme profanity should not be tolerated."
Exactly
-Westy
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Here's a unique idea.....Treat people how you would like to be treated (this assumes that most here wanted to be treated with respect).
Cobra
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I agree that profanity has no place in the text buffer.
My take on the whole issue is that profanity is/are just words, and the person using it has no more power than what I give them.
The last thing a person trying to tick you off wants is for you to remain cool, calm, and collected, they want a reaction and when you deny them a reaction, you've acquired a certain measure of power over them instead.
It maybe also be time for some Computer 101 classes:
Lesson 1
See the big button on the front of your computer labeled ON/OFF? Use it instead of making an bellybutton of yourself in the text buffer.
Lesson 2
It makes no sense at all to pay $30 a month to go online to get pissed off, when you can generally find it for FREE elsewhere.
When you feel yourself getting spun up, refer to Lesson 1, take the opportunity to cool off, maybe go clean your gun, or scout out a watch tower sniper site, or recon a McDonalds (just joking) then log back in for entertainment, instead of using AH to learn anger management.
Remember what your Mommy told ya about being a Good Sport?
It's as important to be a polite winner, as it is to not be a sore loser.
Bottom line:
We are here to PLAY a GAME together, and escape reality for a while. Now I think we can all agree that in Real Life™ there are some really nasty people that we want nothing to do with, and the same applies here. Although it doesn't need to.
If ya want someone to play the game with, then ya need to be NICE enough that they want to play the game WITH you; if not, you may find yourself treated as the guy who fell into the septic tank.....Very lonely.
Now back to my mindless, self-serving comedian mode.
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I would ban people plainly offensive, but, as this thread is proving, this is not an easy or clear issue. The matter is subject to own perception.
In my mind, clean language and politeness is something desirable, and is our responsibility to try for it.
Having said that, I don't like anyone but me deciding which line I can or can not cross. I don't like the feel of somebody looking at my way of expressing myself, judging wether It is acceptable or not. I don't like censorship, although I agree that abuses should be cut. I think that anyone who thinks that he actually can judge other's behaviour in terms of "good" and "bad" is just missing the point. I hope I don't ever find myself having to sign some code of morality and good manners written by somebody who, at best, had try to fit his own and particular perception on what acceptable behaviour is.
Finally, talking about my, yours, his own way of perceiving things, language, ofensiveness, etcetera, AH is HT's own. And HT has proved (IMO) to be a sensible character, both on the grounds of technical stuff and (specially) customer care. So I trust he will know (should he ever thinks any action is needed here) how to manage with peoples' actitude within the game. If I find that solution unbearable, I would leave, problably without any noise or complaint (even less threatening that If my own point of view is disregarded, I would leave). But until then, I'll gladly enjoy AH as usual, squelch whoever I find disrespectful, and, above all, have FUN.
Just my $0.02, blah blah blah. (and sorry for long post).
Pepino.
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This thread makes a good case for disabling smiley faces. Sheesh
Dago
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Originally posted by Fury:
Currently, the MSN Gaming Zone does just that. There is a specific "code of conduct" becomming of an RSACi level 2. One of the jobs of volunteer sysops and chancellors is enforcement of the "code".
I play spades and chess in Gaming Zone from the first days of Gaming Zone. Sysops did not helped a bit, it still lot of people which behave opposite to Zone rules. AH is a heaven in comparing to MS zone.
Fariz.
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dang no one even mentioned me . im just a has been (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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<in best Cartman voice>
Damn it! This would all be fixed if we banned all the scum sucking alt-monkey ho-dweeb ufo-spit cannon-hawg stratobuff laggy alt-f4'ing chute-shooting lowlife inbred banjo-playing tree-hugging left-wing man-hating lesbian cross-dressing scum!
But then us Knights would have no-one left to fight :-)
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Originally posted by Fariz:
I play spades and chess in Gaming Zone from the first days of Gaming Zone. Sysops did not helped a bit, it still lot of people which behave opposite to Zone rules. AH is a heaven in comparing to MS zone.
Fariz.
Part of the problem is 300 sysops and 60,000 users. They can't be everywhere at once, and they are never all online at once. And if any of them ignored something, well a few complaints would get them removed. There are some rooms at the Zone that sysops dread going into; Ants, Zone Wide Chat, Nar Shaddah (or most Jedi Knight rooms), and a few of the card game rooms. But just because they dread going in there doesn't mean they should ignore them.
I'd hate to see some sort of sysop thing at AH. Right now, I think the user base is small enough where that is not needed; and since I routinely squelch 1, I am ignorant of anything currently going on. I prefer to give my 's privately.
A small community like this allows HTC themselves to determine what course of action (which may include doing nothing) is needed by reviewing screenshots that players send in. When they get overloaded with things and get tired of looking at them, they might say something public about it. I'd much rather see HTC looking over screens in private, than the community bashing each other over what is or is not a screen worthy of sending in. It's up to HTC, not us, to make the decision of what is or is not important.
Fury
>[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 09-16-2000).]
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It's only a game......sheeeesh
Make an appointment to see a psychiatrist if you think otherwise <G>