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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Bullethead on April 14, 2003, 09:43:58 PM
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As long as we've got another thread for more Japanese rides, how about giving them some more competition?
B25D Strafer
Any subtype would do, but my favorite is the D-2 with the J-type waist guns and the field mod tail position. I'd rather have the D than the J in any case.
P38F or G
More compatible with early-mid-war Japanese planes than the L model we have.
P51A and A36
Gotta have an Allison-engined version of the Stang, and the divebomber version would be nice as well.
SB2C
Simply a must-have given its dominance later in the war.
P39/P400/P63
Besides being important in the PTO, they're needed in Russia.
C46
A perked transport that can carry like a double load of troops or supplies, or 1 of each.
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The US aircraft I'd like to see are:
B-17E
Brewster B-239
F6F-3
B-25C
P-38F
P-39D
P-39Q
I assure you that the Japanese already have plenty of competition from the US.
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The US is the most represented of all the countries and their plan set is not in any real nead of fleshing out, other than a few early war varients and perhaps some things to fill out the plane set for the new ToD theater I dont see any nead to add anything else at present.
An early P38,B26, or a B17D would be nice the P39 would be a magor slap in face at present to many underrepresented countries, we have Several Alleid Medieum Buff's so doing a b25 would be a Hug slap in the face for Russia, Japan, and Italy, and the Helldiver was such a Huge POS the Brits would not even use it, and the navy hated it, adding it would realy be a slap in the Face.
Howeaver a Brewster would be cool.
The Only thing the Russians nead are more Russian Planes, not US planes.
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F8U Crusader or F-4B Phantom II.
:D
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brady,
I understand that the P-39 is at the top of the CMs request list.
Not that the CMs decide what gets added. Pyro does that.
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Ya I know karnak, their ethnocentric.
Hopefully they will not get what they want, but their is a bright side if they do, soon all the US stuff will be modeled and they can then work on the other countries. Funny thing is you would think the CM's would want more planes to fight the over abundance of US planes they have aganst.
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A P-39 and it's variants would be probably more beneficial to the Russian planeset as far as scenarios go.
I, of course, would like to see the PAC setting getting more attention than it currently does in AH. It is completely due to selfish motivation. Currently, the only agreed upon "acceptable" pac setting is the `42 Slot which revolves around the F4F-A6M2 matchup. While this is fun in itself (when unporked ... and, in some instances, unfixed) I'd love to see a setting that features later planes for all sides.
Granted, my personal desire is to see the F4U-1 (I'm not really into it's later variants) have at least a semi-regular showing in the PAC CT ... but for the setup to be fun and challenging for both sides, there needs to be more to select from in the IJ planeset. The more selections there, the more it frees up the Allied use of planes already modeled (or at least the fewer excuses not to allow their inclusion in a PAC CT map). * I DO, however, think there can be some creative (and workable/acceptable) aircraft skinned for substitutions until that time.[/i]
I'm all for the addition of Italian aircraft, as well. From a European/Med CT setting I can see great benefit from modeling just two or three additional Italian planes (fighter and/or bomber).
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Which is a long winded way of saying .... as much as I'd like to see a couple of B-25 variants or the older Helldiver added("Helldiver!" What a great name! But what a lousy airplane! - http://www.acepilots.com/planes/helldiver.html), I think the US planeset, Pac and European, can stand on it's own 2 legs quite fine while the anorexic planesets of it's Japanese and Italian opponents need a serious infusion.
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The over all contrabution of the P39 in russia was all in all a small percentage of the total fighter Strength of the Soviet Union, Presently We have No Soviet Fighter varent in AH that was Actualy in the Skies over Stalengrad, all of them are later models, even the Yak-9t was not in service in Stalengrad, In fact we have more Lendlease aircraft for Russia than we do indeginious plane type's if looked at in total, Frankely I would realy like to see more Soviet planes than are reskied P39 on a Soviet Front map.
While I can certainly understand liking a plane and wanting it for that reasion, I cant get behind it being added simply Because it is US.
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Originally posted by brady
The over all contrabution of the P39 in russia was all in all a small percentage of the total fighter Strength of the Soviet Union, Presently We have No Soviet Fighter varent in AH that was Actualy in the Skies over Stalengrad, all of them are later models, even the Yak-9t was not in service in Stalengrad, In fact we have more Lendlease aircraft for Russia than we do indeginious plane type's if looked at in total, Frankely I would realy like to see more Soviet planes than are reskied P39 on a Soviet Front map.
While I can certainly understand liking a plane and wanting it for that reasion, I cant get behind it being added simply Because it is US.
There are 15 or so other lines to that post and it was barely an aside. ;)
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Originally posted by brady
The over all contrabution of the P39 in russia was all in all a small percentage
"Small" is not the quantifier I would have used.............
The P39 contribution was significant to the VVS, however the general point is made IMO......... Yak 9 D's and late Yak 7's would be simple additions using the same air frame and a Yak 1 would be welcome.
We could go on to wish for Laggs, Mig 3's La5's etc but the two major VVS only frames I would ask for would be the Pe2 and the I-16 bis.
The P39 has scenario applications in the Med as well as in Russia.
Hence my new VVS frame set would be P39, I-16 bis, Pe2 with extension of the Yak set back to the late Yak 1 & earlier Yak 9D.
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Well some 5 thousand P39's went to Russia, Compared to Russia's aprox. 80,000 Fighter's( only the main types) produced indiginiously I think thats like 1/17th thats kinda small, compared to the total amount if you include them.
Yes It could be included in many theaters for events and for the CT, but my main point is we already have seveal Allied types to face off aganst in most cases just a few Axis types so adding another American airplane instead of a Japanese one, Russian , Italian, French ect is going to hurt more than help in most set up's.
In a perfect world ya it would be great to get them all at once, I just dont think asking right now for another US fighter is realy a great idea, and frankely I was very disturbed to see it on the Top of a wish list from the CM's. With Huge gaping wholes in most countrys planeset's and magor balance isues in a lot of set up areas, it certainly would not of been my first choice.
I am all for the I16, I think I would rather see a TU-2 though.
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SB2C
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Wellington bomber
fairey swordfish
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well, I assume we all agree we need more planes!
I like all the ones y'all have named, especially the Helldiver, P39/400 Cobra and Mitchell!
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The USA set is well represented, as has been noted.
Perhaps a Pe 2 or 3 and IL4 would
be nice additions for the USSR,
along with the Mig-3 and I-16,
Yak1.
The RAF is well represented in
terms of fighters, but perhaps
the Mosquito IV would be nice,
and perhaps the Wellington, as
an early war bomber, and maybe
a Blenheim for the masochists?
Mustang I and IA might also be
interesting.
Germany could do with an He111, He177,
and perhaps an He219, and Hs129
would be nice. Also perhaps an
Me323 as a super transport.
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you do realis of course that pyro or HT (one or the other) posted that there will be no future releases of aircraft until AH2's release in (hopefully) 3rd quarter this year.
I was sorry to see it too but as im expecting to love AH2 i dont mind sacrificing the odd aircraft to see the new graphics and DM etc.
Guess it comes down to whether you want new models or to see the old ones redone to a modern standard.
wellington or flying my 190A8 with a new look, new damage model,new career mode, etc etc??? ill take the latter :)
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Originally posted by hazed-
you do realis of course that pyro or HT (one or the other) posted that there will be no future releases of aircraft until AH2's release in (hopefully) 3rd quarter this year.
I believe everybody (or at least most of us) are aware of that and are simply posting what they'd like to see happen at that time, or in AH v2.01.
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I-16
Yak-7B
LaGG-3
Yak-1B
Mig-3
P-39N
Tu-2
Pe-8
Gimme gimme gimme gimme!! (..well.. gimme after AH2 release??)
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wanna fly Russian planes? Go play Il2 or FB :)
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Originally posted by Bullethead
As long as we've got another thread for more Japanese rides, how about giving them some more competition?
A-26B - Why isn't this in AH?
P-39 - Saw action all over the world, great for historic set ups
P-47M - Just because
I'd trade them all for a Ki-84 though.
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The P-39 is by far the most important US Army AC fighter missing from the AH line up. The fact that a few were sent to Russia is Gravey.
eskimo
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B-25J with the strafer nose
P-47M
AND
P-47N
AND
YAK9-UT
Cause all three were on the list of possible late war variants Pyro gave us to vote on back in October 2001 and none are here yet. :(
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About half the P39's made went to Russia.
And with only 10K or so made it is a small part of total US output, and with so many other countries lacking in Fighter types for various times in the war at present I should think it low on the priourity list, or that it should be low.
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Originally posted by brady
About half the P39's made went to Russia.
And with only 10K or so made it is a small part of total US output, and with so many other countries lacking in Fighter types for various times in the war at present I should think it low on the priourity list, or that it should be low.
Or we could cut every plane in AH that had fewer than 10k produced. ;)
LOL ... nono ... I agree, the Japanese planeset needs a couple so my F4U can fly in the CT and the Italian planeset just "plane" needs!
And if those get accomplished I'll resume my SPANISH CIVIL WAR PLANESET campaign! (pirate-ee voice) ARRRRRRRR!
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Originally posted by Arlo
Or we could cut every plane in AH that had fewer than 10k produced. ;)
I'm not positive, but I think that would be every aircraft in AH.
All of them.
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If you add up all the sub types, Several excead that number by a factor of 2 or 3 or even more. Over 37,000 yaks were made, 20,000 La-5's-7's, 30,000 some odd 109's, 10,400 pluss Zero's.....
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i thought the 109 was the most produced air craft of the war??
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I think the Il-2 was.
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Originally posted by brady
If you add up all the sub types, Several excead that number by a factor of 2 or 3 or even more. Over 37,000 yaks were made, 20,000 La-5's-7's, 30,000 some odd 109's, 10,400 pluss Zero's.....
Yes, but that is only if you add up the subtypes.
There were 22,000 Spitfires/Seafires built, but the most produced version (the Spitfire Mk Vb) only totaled about 6,000. That is well shy of Arlo's 10,000 mark.
OK, yes, the Il-2 would probably still make it in. The C-47A might as well.
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Hey! I got my mark from Brady who was showing us how few P-39s were built! ;)
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That would also cut the P39 then since those were all the subtypes included to get to 10K, the exact number is actualy 9, and somthing I think.
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Well few is a relatie term, few for the US is a lot for say Japan, Italy ect, but this is a mute point since plane production number's are not revelent to determine wheather or not a plane is included in AH.
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Heh.
Few for Japan is a lot for Italy.
I don't think many players realize that the N1K2-J was produced in nearly twice the numbers of the C.205.
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Well 205's were made post war, as well, by converting 202's into them, 60 some odd 205's were even sold to Egypt and Flew aganst the Iserail's in 48.
But ya Italy's war production was lower than Japanes by far and large.
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The RAF is well represented in fighters
This is true for the early war stuff, however the RAF and Commonwealth only have one unperked late war fighter. I was hoping the Spit XIV would be unperked and add a second, but I guess everyone's afraid of free British stuff. The American and German plane sets are stocked full of free late war fighters, and even lightly represented countries like Russia and Japan have more than the Commonwealth countries do.
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i repeat myself and say that we don't really "need" (but i sure as he**) want a P47N :D
http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic8.html
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I'd like to see B-29s with nukes .....perk them........it would sure get us off this Infinity map quicker :D
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my god, at this rate the P-38F will be introduced along with the F-22.
:p