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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crowMAW on April 15, 2003, 03:23:44 PM
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Pakistan has been a haven for terrorists who regularly attack India, is run by a dictator, and has weapons of mass destruction. We may view Gen Musharraf as benevolent, however it is a fact that he is a military dictator who overthrew a legitimately elected democratic government. So, is India justified by saying that the US precedent gives it the authority to preemptively strike Pakistan?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030411/wl_sthasia_afp/india_pakistan_030411095309
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india was threatened by pakistan in no way, it was just plain rediculous .
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Like john90210 insinuated, as we God-fearing Amuricuns were justified in attacking Iraq in retaliation for their part in masterminding and carrying out the 9/11 attacks, India is justified in removing the baby-eating regime of Gen. Saddam Musharraf. Onward Hindu soldiers!
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If theres an invasion, you kiddies best be getting under your desks, cause it WILL go nuclear.
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I might be wrong here. But it seems they've been able to kill each other, without a US precedent for a great numbers of years.
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You must be joking...
Bodhi! You win the Avatar contest! The man with the yellow hat can pick it up for you!
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10 bucks sez the pakistani's kick indias ass.
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10 bucks says that in a war between India and Pakistan there will be no winner.
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and thats a bad thing?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
10 bucks says that in a war between India and Pakistan there will be no winner.
Yeah, agreed Sandman. it really makes me all warm and shuddery to think of spending the 2 - 3 years inside after a war between them, so as to avoid the radioactive dust in the atmosphere. Hell, I am all for them killing each other, but they are too ignorant not to create a nuclear holocaust in the process. :(
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Originally posted by Gunthr
You must be joking...
Bodhi! You win the Avatar contest! The man with the yellow hat can pick it up for you!
Thanks Gunthr... :D
C.G. was always a favorite of my younger brother unitl his passing in February.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
and thats a bad thing?
Yes, that is a bad thing.
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but they are too ignorant not to create a nuclear holocaust in the process.
between the two of them i think they got 5-10 nukes.
spectacular.. not earth rending.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
between the two of them i think they got 5-10 nukes.
spectacular.. not earth rending.
Yeah youre right - hell - lets let them go at it. They'll only kill 20,000,000 people, right?
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yup. give or take 5 million.
yah wanna make omlettes, some eggs gonna get cooked.
on the bright side, how long after that before every nation on the planet gives up it's nukes?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
between the two of them i think they got 5-10 nukes.
spectacular.. not earth rending.
Not the amount of nukes they have, it's their wonderous guidance systems that worry me. Now just suppose a couple over shoot and land in China? We all know they have massive amounts of restraint. Ohh, and 20 million is a super low ball death toll. If they go at it with nukes, 300 million plus will die.
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be a damn shame, wouldn't it?
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"it's their wonderous guidance systems that worry me"
Bought from China? :)
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:( Brodhi, good way to
your bro :)
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...in 1970 Pakistan bombed New Deli while India turned Eastern Pakistan into a new country called Bangladesh...
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hmm they can nuke each other......but it will be mutual destruction
only thing that worries me is the nuclear fallout.....
you handsomehunk think the world currents of air will BYPASS the north american continent with its nuclear fallout....
sorry man...don't want everyone in north america having deformed kids......:rolleyes:
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"sorry man...don't want everyone in north america having deformed kids"
The Nevada Proving Ground was created by Pres. Harry Truman on Jan. 11, 1951, and the first atomic test, Operation Ranger, was conducted on Jan. 27, 1951. The final nuclear test, Divider, was conducted on Sept. 23, 1992. In between,therewere 99 above ground tests and over 800 below ground tests.
Should be alot of deformed kids running around you'd think. Yes?
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/orgs/nts/
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
Should be alot of deformed kids running around you'd think. Yes?
I don't know a lot about this subject, but I wonder if quite a few of the after effects (fallout, nuclear winter, etc) of a nuke exchange are from the particulate matter (some irradiated) that are released into the atmosphere by the subsequent fires. I doubt that there is much to burn in the Nevada desert. But I'm sure there is plenty of fuel to feed fires sparked by nuclear blasts in India.
Your right, though, that there have been many above ground tests, not only by us but also the Soviets and French. Anyone know who else??
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
"sorry man...don't want everyone in north america having deformed kids"
The Nevada Proving Ground was created by Pres. Harry Truman on Jan. 11, 1951, and the first atomic test, Operation Ranger, was conducted on Jan. 27, 1951. The final nuclear test, Divider, was conducted on Sept. 23, 1992. In between,therewere 99 above ground tests and over 800 below ground tests.
Should be alot of deformed kids running around you'd think. Yes?
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/orgs/nts/
Was watching a program hosted by roger mudd on PBS last night. They showed some bomb making place in russia on a river. In villages downstream there were many deformed kids. It was quite graphic the fetuses they had stored in jars. Some of them were born with fish like skin and characteristics.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Was watching a program hosted by roger mudd on PBS last night. They showed some bomb making place in russia on a river. In villages downstream there were many deformed kids. It was quite graphic the fetuses they had stored in jars. Some of them were born with fish like skin and characteristics.
That's Russia. In the USA we had these things called "lawyers" which kept the pollution down quite a bit. :)
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"Should the Willing support India invasion of Pakistan?"
No, because there is the potential for more loss of life than in WWII.
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They need to work it out themselves. Confronting the very real possibility of self-annihilation tends to have a sobering effect.
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A nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would be a bad thing of course, but the guys taling about fallout or nuclear winter should not worry. Compared to the above ground tests done by the US and Russia, the combined arsenals of India and Pakistan going off simultaneously would not be a big deal. Their bombs are relatively tiny, and they don't have all that many. It would be very bad for the people in India or Pakistan, but global effects would not be significant.
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If you are interested in learning about nuclear testing and the arsenals of India and Pakistan start with these links:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/index.html
http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/index.html
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thx funked
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Speaking about nuclear, very interesting stuff happened also in the US during the cold war years..
Film crews filming in the radioactive test sites.. (One example being John Wayne who died to cancer as an effect, alongside most of his film crew of the time.)
Brigades of military personnel training in the nuclear fallout areas..
Another quite wild thing I saw in a document a few years ago was the secret experiments made by the US government in late 50's. They injected radioactive isotopes secretly in a test group of people to monitor long time effect of radiation to people..
Needless to say the effects were visible and the project was kept top secret untill it was finally revealed after 40 years.
It will be interesting to see if the truth of these wars will be released after the secrecy time expires, in 40 or so years.
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Nobody filmed movies on the Nevada Test Site. The whole area has been closed off and secured since they first built the site. It's the same place that the CIA and Lockheed chose to build the Groom Lake airfield (aka Area 51 aka Dreamland).
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There is some truth to what Siaf__csf posted about John Wayne. It happened during the filming of the movie "The Conqueror". Read the write up here on the film.
http://members.aol.com/fortscott/part-7.htm
I'm sure you can find more about it on the web. This was the first hit that talked about it.
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Cmon Crow, you know as well as we do they have to go through the proper forms first.
You know, to enter the "its ok to invade" club, Pakistan would have to :
-Invade a neighbor
-Ignore UN resolutions for 12 years
-Have vital resources or strategic importance
-Get the French, Russians and Germans on their payroll
-Hire Geraldo
Only then can they be legally invaded :)
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Originally posted by funkedup
No, because there is the potential for more loss of life than in WWII.
Of course that begs the question, why didn't that deter Bush? We've been told of the tons of chemical and biological weapons that could have been unleashed by Saddam...if that had happeded in the major city conflicts, what would the death toll been?
BTW, thanks for the link on the nukes held by India and Pakistan. I wonder how many of those Hiroshima size devices they each have. No one seems to really know.
I think the scary part is that India has enough nuke material to make 1000 200+ kiloton thermonuclear weapons (and no one seems to have good intelligence as to how many high yeild weapons they have). If they ever did make that many they would only be behind the US and Russia in arsenal size.