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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wlfgng on April 15, 2003, 03:23:50 PM
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one has to wonder (http://www.msnbc.com/news/888057.asp?0cv=CB10)
and/or laugh
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I dunno, I see it more as a means to make Syria play by our rules (stop supporting terrorists, don't allow Saddam's men safe haven, and etc..)...
Oil is a lot of countries life blood in the middle east, not allowing them access to it forces them to play by the civilized world's rules.
-SW
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The UN mandate says that is illegal. Remember, the UN is supposed to have a monopoly on all Iraqi oil.
Just what are you reading into this?
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I agree.. and think this is a good use for such control...
however, I can see where a large part of the world, especially those that don't have 'open minds', would see this as the real reason for our being there.
personally I think this is exactly what you say.. a way to get them to act civilized.
that's the 'laugh' part of my comment :)
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I completely agree with you that there will be a lot of people who will see this (either themselves or hear about it through hearsay) and be in the protesting lines with new signs remarking about control over the oil.... or worse I may actually have to hear someone remark about it in person with some additional fictional "facts" thrown into the mix to "support" their assertion.
Ah, what an interesting world we live in. :)
-SW
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It think it is an appropriate attempt to force Syria to follow, not our rules, but rules of basic human decency which flatly renounces terrorism as a means of obtaining one's goals. You are either against terrorism or you are not. It's one of those few black and white issues. Terrorism must be stopped, anywhere it is found. As GWB said, if you are for terrorism, if you support terrorism, you will pay a heavy heavy price. What we just showed the world was that we are willing to make that stick! Syria must disgorge anything or anyone it has that supports any form of terrorism, including the Iraqi weapons stores and self-exiled Iraqi leadership.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I completely agree with you that there will be a lot of people who will see this (either themselves or hear about it through hearsay) and be in the protesting lines with new signs remarking about control over the oil.... or worse I may actually have to hear someone remark about it in person with some additional fictional "facts" thrown into the mix to "support" their assertion.
Ah, what an interesting world we live in. :)
-SW
Yes. i'm one of them.
After getting total control of the middle-east oil the blackmailing will start.
Don't think it can be in any other countries interest to have one country sitting on the oil .
Strongest millitary on the planet with as many WMDs like stars in the sky and nearly total control of the oil. Good night world :(
Black and White.
Love and Hate.
Good and Evil.
We need a balance in the world.
Having one country dominate this world is the absolutely worst i can think off. George Orwell comes to mind.
Regards blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain rediculous .
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Blitz you continue to be incredibly stupid...
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
...with some additional fictional "facts" thrown into the mix to "support" their assertion.
Yes Blitz, you most certainly ARE one of THOSE people.
-SW
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Originally posted by blitz
Yes. i'm one of them.
After getting total control of the middle-east oil the blackmailing will start.
Don't think it can be in any other countries interest to have one country sitting on the oil .
Strongest millitary on the planet with as many WMDs like stars in the sky and nearly total control of the oil. Good night world :(
Black and White.
Love and Hate.
Good and Evil.
We need a balance in the world.
Having one country dominate this world is the absolutely worst i can think off. George Orwell comes to mind.
Regards blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain rediculous .
Umm don't ya think that if America was into the blackmail game we'd say something like. Do what we say or we'll nuke your country and kill everybody in it?
These people's logic amazes me. You can't imagine what your part of the world would be like if America acted even partialy the way you think we do....
BTW, I thought you left?
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Originally posted by Udie
Umm don't ya think that if America was into the blackmail game we'd say something like. Do what we say or we'll nuke your country and kill everybody in it?
These people's logic amazes me. You can't imagine what your part of the world would be like if America acted even partialy the way you think we do....
BTW, I thought you left?
UDIE. PLEASE IGNORE MY POSTS !!!!! :D
"Do what we say or we'll nuke your country and kill everybody in it?"
It will be a little bit more smart than that, please don't underestimate Propaganda my friend, the consequences will be the same, though. prettythanglicking!
Germany already did the last centuries, no WMD thread needed, just a guilt complex :D
" These people's logic amazes me. You can't imagine what your part of the world would be like if America acted even partialy the way you think we do...."
Thank you, your government already showed it's face prior to the Iraq war.
Don't want to see more of it's blackmailing.
Regards Blitz
btw Why should i have left? Nice game, easy to start but hard to master :)
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain rediculous .
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that oil was being pumped into syria in violation of the UN's "oil for weapons" program, the US is just doing what the UN says, just like 1441.
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Grunherz you continue to be banal and insipid.:p
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Originally posted by aztec
banal and insipid
you canadians never could talk american, stop using them french words.
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Having one country dominate this world is the absolutely worst i can think off. George Orwell comes to mind.
so I guess you'd prefer the recent state of affairs?
evil dictator that opresses his people controls the oil, every country for themselves... = CHAOS
I thought you (Bliz) were in favor of the United Nations?
you know, where one organization controls the world....
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John9001..isn't that the updated version of the John9000? I read that the new one sucks the poop outta your butt instead of just letting it drop in. J/k John...just thought one brilliant reply deserved another.;)
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Isn't Ridiculous spelled like, well...that?
Blitz, fix your damn sig. Not only are you annoying me, so is your sig. If we can fix one, I'm 50% further down the road to Utopia.
Regards,
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Give Blitz a break on the spelling guys! English is not his native language, and he STILL spells better than I ! ;)
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
so I guess you'd prefer the recent state of affairs?
evil dictator that opresses his people controls the oil, every country for themselves... = CHAOS
I thought you (Bliz) were in favor of the United Nations?
you know, where one organization controls the world....
Not controls-try to manage conflicts! Won't be perfekt, never will, but it's the only way, just as justice.
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain rediculous .
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which is it?
are you FOR or AGAINST one country/orginization ruling the world?
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
which is it?
are you FOR or AGAINST one country/orginization ruling the world?
As long as nations stay in place (most likely a hundred years from now) we don't talk of ruling here.
We talk of developping International Law, nothing more, nothing less.
Long way to go, we just had a step back.
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain rediculous .
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Originally posted by aztec
John9001..isn't that the updated version of the John9000? I read that the new one sucks the poop outta your butt instead of just letting it drop in. J/k John...just thought one brilliant reply deserved another.;)
aztec is banal and insipid.
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As long as nations stay in place (most likely a hundred years from now) we don't talk of ruling here.
call it what you like if you don't like to say the word "ruling" but the UN, which you say you are in favor of, is a single ruling, or "governing" if you prefer, entity.
Don't you think someone has to 'take charge' and gather together all the loose ends (nations) instead of having the current state of 'each to their own' ?
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Originally posted by blitz
As long as nations stay in place (most likely a hundred years from now) we don't talk of ruling here.
We talk of developping International Law, nothing more, nothing less.
Long way to go, we just had a step back.
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Why don't you just answer his question, instead of spouting more nonsense, Blitch?
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We talk of developping International Law, nothing more, nothing less.
Long way to go, we just had a step back.
Laws actually have to be enforced. This is a step forward, we just enforced one.
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there is only one public building in baghdad which was never looted or set afire by angry mobs, because it is heavily defended by Coalition forces : the Ministry of Oil...
wink wink nudge nudge
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I seriously hope we take enough oil to pay for their liberation, playing UN bad cop and then some ... nothing is free in this world - unless your a welfare democrat.
the rest can go for the "new" Iraq
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Whenever I see blitz's sig I'm reminded of the iraqi information minister, and I have to chuckle .
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Eagler, yer gonna do just that. It was agreed upon long ago,a dn I see no wrong in doing it.
I am betting there'll be a lot of favours owned by whoever the US set up as new leaders of Iraq. Seen from a cynical POV, the war was a good American move.
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As to Iraqi Oil and related subjects.
Chaunc sent an E-Mail to me about a dinner party held in the not so distant past where the Archbishop of Canterbury talking to Collin Powell stated something like this.
Is this an example of American expansionism? Something to that effect. Anyway Collin Powell answered.
Many times Americans have left their country to defend the freedom of others, and the only land we have asked for in return was enough to bury our dead...to bury those who could not return.
Europeans.....take a look......how many Americans are buried in your countries? Those Americans that could not return defending your freedoms. Many Americans buried in the Pacific also. And the Oceans of the world.
When Iraq is stable.....Americans will again be back in their country, where we Americans want and need them.
No flag waving in this post.......just a fact that all of us know to be true.
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to the victor goes the spoils
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Originally posted by Hajo
As to Iraqi Oil and related subjects.
Chaunc sent an E-Mail to me about a dinner party held in the not so distant past where the Archbishop of Canterbury talking to Collin Powell stated something like this.
Is this an example of American expansionism? Something to that effect. Anyway Collin Powell answered.
Many times Americans have left their country to defend the freedom of others, and the only land we have asked for in return was enough to bury our dead...to bury those who could not return.
Europeans.....take a look......how many Americans are buried in your countries? Those Americans that could not return defending your freedoms. Many Americans buried in the Pacific also. And the Oceans of the world.
When Iraq is stable.....Americans will again be back in their country, where we Americans want and need them.
No flag waving in this post.......just a fact that all of us know to be true.
fact is....NOT only Americans died on Foreign soil...your only thinking Americans did...as usual your arrogance surpasses the whole truth....
you say black and white....either for or against.....then ask Haliburton why it gave Saddam 100$ million in the year 2000.....legal you will say.....I still say 100$ million in Saddams coffers.....well up yours chump...you WILL not dictacte my conduct.....let me repeat.....you WILL NOT DICTACTE MY CONDUCT.....and you surely WILL not dictacte the conduct of 6 Billion people.....wishful thinking on your part....
300 million people see you as liberators of Iraq.....
4 Billion see you as Invaders of a Sovereign Nation.....
Blitz...I'm with ya bud.....not all of us are completely blind to the whole truth:eek:
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Ok I'll ask it. Who is trying to dictate SLO's conduct ?
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Originally posted by Puke
Laws actually have to be enforced. This is a step forward, we just enforced one.
Much to the dismay of the french UN representatives, who said they would veto ANY use of force .
The UN in it's current state is ineffectuall as a law enforcement organization .
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SLO must b outa his meds again....
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Originally posted by Suave
Ok I'll ask it. Who is trying to dictate SLO's conduct ?
you are....with your presidents black and white politics......
you are with your complete lack of respect for the worlds voice....
you are with your invasion of a sovereign nation....
and now my wine is gonna cost more cause your gonna boycott french products...see I like french wine...not your American wine.:eek:
now it takes minimum 8 hrs to cross the border...instead of 1
yet you can come this way and cross in 1hr.....and cross back in 1 hr.
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I did no such thing .
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Slo, you should really try some of our wines.. some of them surpass the French ones.
try Silver Oaks 1991 Cabernet Sauvignon
oh and travelling to the US and having a tough time?
wear a skirt, you'll either get arrested, married or famous...
either way you'll make it across the border
:eek:
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SLO is titled to his opinion as we are ours.
However SLO I didn't say we...that US dictate anyones opinions.
Wonder if anyone besides the US suffered a terrorist attack such as the magnitude of 911? The answer is no. So most people around the world don't really know how the US population views terrorism as the US does. Israel does on a daily basis but at much smaller proportions...and here's hoping peace can be achieved betweeen Israel and the Arab States.
SLO...I'll back your right to say anything you want my friend. But unless you've walked in the shoes of others....you don't have an idea how they feel.
911 was the first time in History that the mainland was attacked. American citizens don't want that to happen again....and we as citizens will back any move by any president to secure our national safety.
Most of the world throughout modern History (last 300 years or so) has looked to the US as a land of opportunity. Many migrated to our shores from all regions of this planet. We are a diverse society....more so then Europeans by a long shot. We are European, African, Asian, Christian, Moslem and Jew. We live together and play together. We have the best of all worlds because we are such a diverse group. Those who migrated here setup this Govt. and Country so that no one can trample on the inherant rights of man.....Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion etc. Most of the world comes to the US for higher education....our Universities are packed with many from around the world to take advantage of our education system. Many from around the world come here for medical treatment, The Cleveland Clinic...Mayo Clinic etc. Ask yourself why that is! Is that because we are evil? Is that because we have no respect for others? On the contrary...the American people are the most benevolent in the world. When a disaster strikes anywhere in the world you'll see the US to be among the first to help or offer help...that's the American people. And we suffer such disasters few if any offer assistance.....Japan is one who always offers assistance! Guess what....we helped setup Japans constitution......they certainly have grown econmically since WW2......Guess what....we helped Germany setup it's Govt. after WW2....methinks they are certainly better off now then pre WW2 when it tooka wheelbarrow load of marks to purchase a loaf of bread.
We don't want credit or accolades. We don't ask for any, and we certainly don't receive any. Tha'ts ok...we like our country as you like yours. But please don't insinuate what America is going to do in Iraq after the war. If past performance is any barometer, we help rebuild, we rebuilt Germanys and Japans Industry after WW2. Some of you never heard of the Marshall plan or you wouldn't be spewing garbage. And we think it's great that our biggest competitors in heavy Industry is Japan and Germany! We helped them get there! We will help install democracy with Gods help in Iraq...or any reasonable Govt. that the Iraqis wish! And just as in Japan and Germany.....when democracy is installed. I'm sure that the citizens of Iraq...just as in Germany and Japan, will think...What the hell were we doing before?
Just my humble opinion....don't wish to step on anyones toes or thoughts......I'll just present the facts as they are and let you be the Judge.
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Slo is from Quebec, right, French Quebec? Chretian's Quebec? In a country governed by the son in law of the head of the major French oil company that has been profiteering illegally from the oil-for-food program? Still curious as to Slo's motivations?
From my Canadian friends, and I know quite a few, I understand that there was overwhelming popular support for the Iragi liberation, but the expatriat French government ignored what that public wanted.
So, now who is controlling your conduct Slo?
It isn't your Southern neighbors who would gladly let your countrymen into our nation if you weren't the single largest entry point into America for international criminal terrorists!
Finally, your pitiful implied attempt to trade on the heritage of those many brave Canadians who have stood and died in the past against tyranny is pathetic. Your government's current spineless and cowardly inaction, motivated not by some utopian sense of international order but only to protect French perfidy in Iraq, besmerches the memory of those fine and courageous heros.
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"Slo is from Quebec, right, French Quebec? Chretian's Quebec? In a country governed by the son in law of the head of the major French oil company that has been profiteering illegally from the oil-for-food program? Still curious as to Slo's motivations?"
alphabetsoup
dude i bet he has a black helicopter also.
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Fine, fine post Hajo! Damn proud of ya!
Few in the world can understand how we feel, and not just because we were attacked so viciosuly, but because we are so conflicted about how to protect ourselves while maintaining the very liberties that make us the shining beacon for most of the world, and indeed, those same liberties that were used against us to murder over 3,000 people who, incidentally were not just American, but also citizens from over 60 other countries as well.
But, why apologize for stepping on people's toes. That's only apologizing for telling the truth!
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Originally posted by SLO
fact is....NOT only Americans died on Foreign soil...your only thinking Americans did...as usual your arrogance surpasses the whole truth....
300 million people see you as liberators of Iraq.....
4 Billion see you as Invaders of a Sovereign Nation.....
FACT: American's And Canadians and Australians DID NOT HAVE TO BE THERE dying on the beachs.
We volunteered to come to the aid of our allies from an agressor nation, to protect our interests, and EUROPES FREEDOM!
We volunteered. Were we threatened by Nazi Germany in any way? Not militarilty. Possibly eventually, but 2 massive oceans made an invasion quite impossible.
Now, we took Iraq to protect our interests, and FREE THE IRAQI people. We also did it to secure western civilization from more terrorist attacks.
4 Billion see us as invaders? I don't care HOW THE WORLD SEE'S US. How did these 4 billion people see us before 9/11? Were they looking out for us? Did they come to our aid? Did they help bury our dead?
The answer is NO. This is our deal, not yours. We're handling it our way.
You got a problem with it? Then get the balls up and come stop us. Ask the UN for a resolution demanding we leave Iraq now. I'm sure that will make all the difference.
When someone comes up to Canada and blasts a building and 3000 people off the face of the Earth, then you can talk. But until then, step aside, and let your big southern brother handle this one.
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Originally posted by SLO
you are....with your presidents black and white politics......
you are with your complete lack of respect for the worlds voice....
you are with your invasion of a sovereign nation....
and now my wine is gonna cost more cause your gonna boycott french products...see I like french wine...not your American wine.:eek:
now it takes minimum 8 hrs to cross the border...instead of 1
yet you can come this way and cross in 1hr.....and cross back in 1 hr.
HA! We have made it worse for you! HAHAHAHAHA.
Wait, I remembered I dont give a crap...
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
Slo, you should really try some of our wines.. some of them surpass the French ones.
try Silver Oaks 1991 Cabernet Sauvignon
oh and travelling to the US and having a tough time?
wear a skirt, you'll either get arrested, married or famous...
either way you'll make it across the border
:eek:
:D ....is that Sauvignon really good?
as for surpassing....wooow there horsy man...not so fast...you like dreaming i see:p
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Originally posted by X2Lee
HA! We have made it worse for you! HAHAHAHAHA.
Wait, I remembered I dont give a crap...
ya 1 of my brothers already left his job cause it was getting too long in the waiting period.....wasn't paid to wait.....lotsa truck drivers doing the same now.....hope that stops soon though.
and I already now you don't give a crap...you said it so many times now:D
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hmm get something straight here.....we got rid of chretien...we send em too the english side:p
they accepted him and made em PM......:D
some would say you brought 9/11 onto yourselves.......
see it depends on what side of the fence your on......
what you call....terrorist.....are sometimes Hero's to the other side.
oh and BTW....15 of your so called terrorist where SAUDI's.....maybe you should attack Saudi Arabia instead....they seem to grown em in that country.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Now, we took Iraq to protect our interests, and FREE THE IRAQI people. We also did it to secure western civilization from more terrorist attacks.
Free the Iraqi people?! Same old crap we listened to during the cold war. Oh, sorry, nazis were liberating everyone too, Ukrainians from Russians, Russians from Communists, etc, ad nauseum.
Don't feed me fairy-tales about "liberation" and "democracy". Everyone understands it's just a "newspeak", if you understand what I mean.
Originally posted by muckmaw
4 Billion see us as invaders? I don't care HOW THE WORLD SEE'S US. How did these 4 billion people see us before 9/11? Were they looking out for us? Did they come to our aid? Did they help bury our dead?
The answer is NO. This is our deal, not yours. We're handling it our way.
First of all - how do you dare to say that we didn't want to help you after that horrible tragedy? Then - look at yourself. Selling weapons to Chechen terrorists is OK?! Covering their bases and training camps in Georgia is OK too?! Did you bring flowers to Russian embassy after 1999 apartment bombings? Wasn't it your press blaming us for "unnsessessary violence" and "collateral damage" in Nord-Ost theatre?!
Yes, you handle it in your usuall way - by unprovoked agression and violation of international laws.
Originally posted by muckmaw
You got a problem with it? Then get the balls up and come stop us. Ask the UN for a resolution demanding we leave Iraq now. I'm sure that will make all the difference.
When someone comes up to Canada and blasts a building and 3000 people off the face of the Earth, then you can talk. But until then, step aside, and let your big southern brother handle this one.
UN is a US puppet, and US doesn't give a flying duck about anything but direct threat from nuclear weapons. Brave enough to invade a country strangled by 12 years of sanctions, but still afraid to attack DPRK that has the balls to say they'll use nukes against agressors.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Free the Iraqi people?! Same old crap we listened to during the cold war. Oh, sorry, nazis were liberating everyone too, Ukrainians from Russians, Russians from Communists, etc, ad nauseum.
Don't feed me fairy-tales about "liberation" and "democracy". Everyone understands it's just a "newspeak", if you understand what I mean.
First of all - how do you dare to say that we didn't want to help you after that horrible tragedy? Then - look at yourself. Selling weapons to Chechen terrorists is OK?! Covering their bases and training camps in Georgia is OK too?! Did you bring flowers to Russian embassy after 1999 apartment bombings? Wasn't it your press blaming us for "unnsessessary violence" and "collateral damage" in Nord-Ost theatre?!
Yes, you handle it in your usuall way - by unprovoked agression and violation of international laws.
UN is a US puppet, and US doesn't give a flying duck about anything but direct threat from nuclear weapons. Brave enough to invade a country strangled by 12 years of sanctions, but still afraid to attack DPRK that has the balls to say they'll use nukes against agressors.
You make me laugh. Really, you do.
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Borada...YOU FOOL..
you wan tto use sources as the y fit your agenda..classic..
I ll know..is by the grace of God i was born American...
THAT is teh best thing that can EVER be done in life...THANK GOD.
UN is a US puppet?? OMG..Boroda..now i know you are complete moron.
And SLO...Cali wines kick the sht out of the crap bellybutton soil of France now...
AHH yes..Silver Oak...Fine Grade grapes..hell Cakebread Cellars is also on my lists...
1997 Silver Oaks..Napa Valley
but again..i live near Napa..so I guess i am "Blinded by teh Propaganda"...
Lmfao
FUQ u France0Germany0Russia..Axis of Weazels..
Its allright you know why....Cause no matter what..We will still win...You know why?? Cause all the very smart peopl move to USA..and they make us better and bettr....Hell Im- German and French and Czheck... We are what you woudl call.."Hybrids"...The rest of you are just lowly pond scum cessing in your retarted gene pool...Reminds me of Miniture Ponies...sure are cute...dum as a rock though....
Coem on..get out..go spread your seed:)
Love
BiGB
xoxo
Blitz..still dum as a pretzel
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Boroda, non of us here support the chechen warlords. I support Russia 100% in chenya.
We have had soldiers and embassies bombed and did nothing, then came 9/11 . Can you really blame people here for supporting the war? What hostile nations do is use terrorists to do their dirty work so blame can't be put on them. Then they try to use the U.N. to protect themselves. "Show us, prove we were involved". You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. I'm not a warmonger. This war was brought to us, we didn't bring it to them. How long is it before a WMD is in a terrorist's hand?(if it isn't already) How long can we dodge this bullet? You can't stick your head in the sand and ignore it.
Oil? Empire? No, security, that is what we want.
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sixpence i agree with you..but these ..hmmm 'people" will say we brougth war to ourselves..our "impearlists" actions angerall thw world..we want to take over..bla blah blah..same old watermelon diff day..fuq them..its real easy...let them starve..
Hell half the peopl in the mideast should be dead already.... if it wasnt for world food / medicen programs...
you dont want abortions?? no problem...
Fitest survive..your mean..
Love
BiGB
AMERICA America ..god shed his grace on theeee
JAH!!!!!!!! RASTAFARI!!!!!!!!Bo Bo ..Lik-A-Shot
Burn Bwotty Bwoy BURN!!!!
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....is that Sauvignon really good?
fantastic but pricey :(
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It's funny how they thank us for food, they carry the bag away and flip us the bird. But you can't let people starve, and we go through great lengths to save people from starvation. That goes all the way back to the Berlin Airlift. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it.
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Originally posted by SLO
some would say you brought 9/11 onto yourselves.......
A more ridiculous or less defensible statement could not possibly be made.
And to imply that we should condemn them and attack a whole country just because some of their citizens are terrorists shows your total fundamental and complete ignorance of what makes America the great nation that it is. You should ask, as we do, : Where were they trained; Who financed them and sheltered them? It wasn't the Saudi's. The U.S. and her allies will eliminate all who support, promote, harbor, and foster terrorism. That is our right of self-defense. If you don't like it, tough! Go snivvle elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
call it what you like if you don't like to say the word "ruling" but the UN, which you say you are in favor of, is a single ruling, or "governing" if you prefer, entity.
Don't you think someone has to 'take charge' and gather together all the loose ends (nations) instead of having the current state of 'each to their own' ?
Nice idea, but there's none in sight that could do this heavy work.
Everyone who thinks he CAN do the work has to go through the test, first:
Morality
Truth
Justice
Use of words
All candidates who tried resently failed miserably.
Now, we back on negociations :)
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain rediculous .
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and all this time I thought you supported the United Nations
oh well. I've made mistakes before. :)
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
A more ridiculous or less defensible statement could not possibly be made.
And to imply that we should condemn them and attack a whole country just because some of their citizens are terrorists shows your total fundamental and complete ignorance of what makes America the great nation that it is. You should ask, as we do, : Where were they trained; Who financed them and sheltered them? It wasn't the Saudi's. The U.S. and her allies will eliminate all who support, promote, harbor, and foster terrorism. That is our right of self-defense. If you don't like it, tough! Go snivvle elsewhere.
you sound like the ideal patriot...good for you
it still won't change the truth.....
I said 'some would say you brought it unto yourselves'......where in there does it say......I think you brought it unto yourselves.
your a good writer...but please learn to read before you ASSUME idiotic ideas....
and as for the snivvle elsewhere...too bad chump....only the GOD of this board can do that...his name is skuzzy...not Syzygyone.:eek:
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Originally posted by SLO
you sound like the ideal patriot...good for you
it still won't change the truth.....
I said 'some would say you brought it unto yourselves'......where in there does it say......I think you brought it unto yourselves.
your a good writer...but please learn to read before you ASSUME idiotic ideas....
and as for the snivvle elsewhere...too bad chump....only the GOD of this board can do that...his name is skuzzy...not Syzygyone.:eek:
Some would say you are borderline retarded.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Some would say you are borderline retarded.
*I* would say theres no borderline about it.
-SW
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Some would say he is aptly named. At least I would.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Some would say he is aptly named. At least I would.
(http://home.attbi.com/~martlets93/Pictures/dieter.jpg)
BLITCH (http://home.attbi.com/~martlets93/music/rwb.mp3)
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You miss the point Slow! If you don't hold that view, then it is truly too bad that you posted how you posted. You didn't disclaim or even discuss the idea. You gave no indication that you did not agree with it. Your post made it a declarative statement, implying there was some possible validity to it. Nothing idiotic about that and certainly was not an assumption, rather an observation based on objective fact.
As for moving you elsewhere, I know full well that Skuzzy is the only one that can, but, like your wistful wish for a French socialist utopia, I too can dream!
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Originally posted by Martlet
Some would say you are borderline retarded.
funny I was thinking you where an ignorant self-centered Ill informed American.....like most of ya's who post here......
you get your info from your alphabet soup news station and ACTUALLY think you now whats going on......hence the ill informed
your POV's are based solely on reports coming from AMERICANS.....
your discussing INTERNATIONAL affairs and your giving me YOUR AMERICAN POV's.....which is pretty much all the same....you watch all the same news stations...lol
then you call me retarded.....
Syzygyone
you do remember 9/11 right.....
do you remember seeing on 1 of your news stations people actually being joyous.....
for your information...just in case you didn't get it.....after 2 tries...here goes.
MOST ARABS SAY YOU DESERVED 9/11.....
now just in case you jump the gun again....saying something stupid like 'SLO your a moron....blablablabla'
actually go find that info about arabs....and what they think about 9/11....your gonna come to the same conclusion as me.....
like I said...'IT DEPENDS ON WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE YOU SIT ON'....
eventually you guys are gonna understand INTERNATIONAL politics....not just your simple minded AMERICAN politics....
and BTW...I'm trying to make you understand a DIFFERENT POV then your own.....now where in here did I post my own POV's...none....think of it as playing DEVILS ADVOCATE.....you guys are really having a hard time accepting diff. views then your own.....hence the self-centered
but I forgot....If it doesn't fit in your american style view.....its retarded....hence the arrogance
maybe your retarded and simple-minded....I know martlet is:D
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SLO
International politics we don't understand? That is a personal observation....nothing more. We know nothing of Politics? Oh....ok then...what country led the Egytian Israeli Peace intiative? The rest of the Arab world went nuts when Egypt and Israel signed a peace accord. If you don't know who led the talks I suggest you read a bit about History.
Alas.........seems History Books are almost non existant or little read. Lot's of people making off the cuff comments with little background information.
True....I'll grant you the US has made mistakes. Hell....the US ain't perfect by a long shot. By the way History also will tell you it was the UK and the US that formed the joint coalition to Liberate Kuwait........you think keeping Israel out of the conflict wasn't a political plus, Getting Saudi Arabia.......and yes even Syria to join in the Liberation of Kuwait.......and keeping Israel from defending itself as Scuds crashed into their soil wasn't a political chore and a great political undertaking by the US?
Go to the Library......get a History Book........read. The political successes of the US have been many....and yes the US does make mistakes, but get your facts straight and have some knowledge before making personal assumptions that are false.
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I'm also boycotting American products so much that I almost didn't buy a new chevy van.
That should make you think!
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Originally posted by SLO
some would say you brought 9/11 onto yourselves.......
what you call....terrorist.....are sometimes Hero's to the other side.
Some would say, they would love for you to make this statement to their face. Some would say you would not walk away in one piece.
Some would volunteer to be part of this group.
Some would say you are right about American Foregin Policy. Some would say Canadian expertise in this area has made it the world economic power it is today.
Why don't you figure out which groups of "Some" I fall into, Slo.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I'm also boycotting American products so much that I almost didn't buy a new chevy van.
That should make you think!
Oh no, there goes the exports to Angola.
I don't know how I will sleep.
Please you people buy 3 cars, 2 John Deers and a subsciption to Hustler each year. I think we'll get by.:D
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Slo-
You mistakenly suggest that I've called you a moron or have otherwise resorted to ad hominum attacks on you. Nah, that's a waste of electroncs, much the same as your anti-American diatribe. I have no desire, and certainly no need, to attack you personnally. The flaws in the logic behind your statements are so gaping as to invite easy reproach. I don't condone others who attack you, but then again, that's their right. I am more interested in educated discourse.
As for bringing facts and arguements, my beef with you is that you spew propoganda as fact. Yea, we know some people liked what they saw on Septemebr 11, 2001. Those people are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers and supporters. We know who the enemy is. America and her true allies will hunt them down and destroy them.
Now, under the guise of playing Devil's Advocate, you have the brazen audacity to attempt to take the moral high ground by warning us that some people in the world don't like us. Guess what? We already knew that. Geez!
You imply that only 300 million Americans like America and the rest of the 5 billion people in the world hate America. Well, sir, that's just plain wrong and you know it and there is no purpose to your devil's advocacy. We know we are not pefect, but we also know that America is a lot better than any other nation. Elsewise, why would so many keep immigrating here? Elsewise, why do we have thehighest standard of living ever known to man? Elsewise, why do we feed most of the world? etc., etc., etc!
No Slo, you are just another French apologizer, trying desperately to restore what was once a proud heritage. Give it up. It aint' going to happen, no matter how much Chirac, and DeVillipan wish it to be. France had her chance to stand with the leaders of the free world and declare that terrorism will not be tolerated. Instead, for truly dispicable ulterior motives of protecting their illegal contracts and under the table support of Iraq, they stood by, wringing their hands saying France knows the way and the way is containment and appeasement. Of all people who should read AND LEARN FROM history, Chirac is at the front of the line.
Go! Play devil's advocate to Chirac and Shroeder and Chretian and Putin. They, not America, need a good dose of reality.
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Muckmaw you really need improvement in your reading.
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I understood you, Siaf.
Perspnally, I would have chosen the Tahoe, but Chevy is the way to go, no matter the model.
It was simply implying, quite sarcastically, the ramifications if everyone in Angola DID NOT follow your lead.
It was just a lame attempt at some humor on a dreary day.
Nothing personal, just a crack.
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Originally posted by SLO
MOST ARABS SAY YOU DESERVED 9/11.....
now just in case you jump the gun again....saying something stupid like 'SLO your a moron....blablablabla'
actually go find that info about arabs....and what they think about 9/11....your gonna come to the same conclusion as me.....
Most arabs don't think that Martlet, or anybody, deserved 9/11 . Most arabs are not genocidal fanatics, which is what one would have to be to rationalize a murder of that scale. And I think "most arabs" might be insulted by your generalization.
In fact most of them, (80% in Egypt), believe that the 9/11 attack was perpetrated by "the jews".
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I never thought I'd see the day when a Canadian lectured ANYONE on international politics.
HAH
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
Elsewise, why do we have thehighest standard of living ever known to man?
Actually we don't, we pretty far down the list in this category, that's one of the problems of being the third most populated country in the world. I believe Denmark is still #1 in this category .
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
Slo-
You mistakenly suggest that I've called you a moron or have otherwise resorted to ad hominum attacks on you. Nah, that's a waste of electroncs, much the same as your anti-American diatribe. I have no desire, and certainly no need, to attack you personnally. The flaws in the logic behind your statements are so gaping as to invite easy reproach. I don't condone others who attack you, but then again, that's their right. I am more interested in educated discourse.
As for bringing facts and arguements, my beef with you is that you spew propoganda as fact. Yea, we know some people liked what they saw on Septemebr 11, 2001. Those people are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers and supporters. We know who the enemy is. America and her true allies will hunt them down and destroy them.
Now, under the guise of playing Devil's Advocate, you have the brazen audacity to attempt to take the moral high ground by warning us that some people in the world don't like us. Guess what? We already knew that. Geez!
You imply that only 300 million Americans like America and the rest of the 5 billion people in the world hate America. Well, sir, that's just plain wrong and you know it and there is no purpose to your devil's advocacy. We know we are not pefect, but we also know that America is a lot better than any other nation. Elsewise, why would so many keep immigrating here? Elsewise, why do we have thehighest standard of living ever known to man? Elsewise, why do we feed most of the world? etc., etc., etc!
No Slo, you are just another French apologizer, trying desperately to restore what was once a proud heritage. Give it up. It aint' going to happen, no matter how much Chirac, and DeVillipan wish it to be. France had her chance to stand with the leaders of the free world and declare that terrorism will not be tolerated. Instead, for truly dispicable ulterior motives of protecting their illegal contracts and under the table support of Iraq, they stood by, wringing their hands saying France knows the way and the way is containment and appeasement. Of all people who should read AND LEARN FROM history, Chirac is at the front of the line.
Go! Play devil's advocate to Chirac and Shroeder and Chretian and Putin. They, not America, need a good dose of reality.
JFYI, 40 million americans have no ill insurance.....
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous.
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Originally posted by blitz
JFYI, 40 million americans have no ill insurance.....
That's becuase in our country health insurance is optional. See, it's not necisarily a bad thing .
If I made less than 20k a year, my health care would be free, I think it's that way with most americans .
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Originally posted by blitz
JFYI, 40 million americans have no ill insurance.....
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That's capitalism. How you live your life is up to you. If you don't want to work, or spend money on health insurance, you don't have to.
Nice try, though.
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Blitz.. I'd almost listen to you if you'd answer questions instead of avoiding the issues and spending all your time trying to be provocative.
You are weak and no one here falls for your rhetoric.
One has to assume you are simply posting here to make yourself feel better.
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Originally posted by Martlet
That's capitalism. How you live your life is up to you. If you don't want to work, or spend money on health insurance, you don't have to.
Nice try, though.
People are different.
I prefer to live in a country where everyone has a health insurance. And i will fight for that right anytime!
No darwinism fan myself.
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous.
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I'm proud of ya, Blitz!
You finally fixed that sig!
WTG
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Originally posted by blitz
People are different.
I prefer to live in a country where everyone has a health insurance. And i will fight for that right anytime!
No darwinism fan myself.
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous.
Thats how were are so fundementally different, americans will fight for the freedom to choose to have health insurance .
Americans value Liberty above life and health.
Don't confuse health insurance with health care, all americans recieve health care, even illegal immigrants .
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Originally posted by Suave
Thats how were are so fundementally different, americans will fight for the freedom to choose to have health insurance .
Americans value Liberty above life and health.
Don't confuse health insurance with health care, all americans recieve health care, even illegal immigrants .
Where's ya creditcard?
No? Sorry, look for another place .
Regards Blitz
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Originally posted by blitz
Where's ya creditcard?
No? Sorry, look for another place .
Regards Blitz
it's amazing that you continue to spew garbage about topics you don't even know anything about.
Tell me, Blitch, how does our health care system work?
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Originally posted by Martlet
it's amazing that you continue to spew garbage about topics you don't even know anything about.
Tell me, Blitch, how does our health care system work?
Hey Kleiner, i'm off to the coast for easterholidays. W'll see us in 5 days.
Go look for the huge Iraq WMD threat meanwile, and don't forget the 10 tons of glue to repair all that vases being destroyed because of your "Aggression War" :D
And please start firing OVER the heads first next time there is an unarmed demonstration from Iraq people against Saddam & USA :D
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous.
Regards Blitz
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Originally posted by blitz
Hey Kleiner, i'm off to the coast for easterholidays. W'll see us in 5 days.
Go look for the huge Iraq WMD threat meanwile, and don't forget the 10 tons of glue to repair all that vases being destroyed because of your "Aggression War" :D
And please start firing OVER the heads first next time there is an unarmed demonstration from Iraq people against Saddam & USA :D
Regards Blitz
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous.
Regards Blitz
Answer the question. How does the American Healthcare system work?
You're so learned. You know everything about the United States. Either answer the man's question, or admit you are talking out of you prettythang.
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Still eagerly awaiting your reply, Blitz.
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guess we got our answer... it's the latter
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Answer the question. How does the American Healthcare system work?
You're so learned. You know everything about the United States. Either answer the man's question, or admit you are talking out of you prettythang.
and, in his usual fashion, he conveniently exits stage left.
I'm fairly sure that most people on the board realize he's just a troll, and has no idea what he's talking about.
He could probably make a decent argument for his opinion, if he would sit back, think about it, and stop letting his hatred for the US drive his speech.
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so true so true..
what a numnut..
Psss....
How much to rent a bulldozer?
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
so true so true..
what a numnut..
Psss....
How much to rent a bulldozer?
why rent when you can buy?
http://www.mercedsun-star.com/classifieds/XcCPViewItem.asp?ID=32633
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Originally posted by Martlet
That's capitalism. How you live your life is up to you. If you don't want to work, or spend money on health insurance, you don't have to.
I'm not even gonna go there.
Blitz, you are not as informed on these matters as you think you are. Here in Ma. we have mass health. If you don't have health ins or cannot afford it, you can get healthcare. People are not left on the streets and it is against the law to turn someone away from an emergency room. Just because you do not have health ins does not deny you treatment
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shhhh! don't give him the facts, you'll just confuse him !!!
His mind is made up.